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Date: Fri, December 30, 2005, 12:12:46 ET Dear Friends, not to mention the foes: I've had email for over 20 years and I've pretty much never have gone more than
2 or 3 days without checking email and even 2-3 days is rare since I administer
email servers. 99% of the time I check email all throughout the day. That has
changed this week. My brother is a farrier (a blacksmith who fits shoes on
a horse) and he was severely injured in an accident, trampled by a horse, and
is in the hospital having surgery. Meanwhile, my sister about two months ago
had an accident, with multiple hip and pelvic fractures. Because of a layoff,
she has no health insurance and I've had to do the equivalent of providing
6 weeks of rehab in my living room after she got kicked out of the hospital
since she is staying with me and I am taking care of her while I work full
time. Maybe you don't like dogs—since some of you sure like to kick them here—but
I've also been having to agonize about putting my dog to sleep—it's been in
the vet hospital on an I.V. for the past 4 days. I feel selfish deciding
to try to save my dog when my sister has medical bills also, let alone feel
selfish to save money to see the Fagen concerts that are coming up. I finally
got to buy a Christmas tree Xmas eve and it's sat there undecorated with everything
going on for me. Ordinarily, word that Becker has a solo album would merit
me dropping everything and sending out a Dandom Digest. Can you tell, things
are so hectic for me that I can't even do that? But some of you think all I
do is quietly flame people here, beat up people and call me a hypocrite when
it is the furthest from the truth, that I'm doing my best to be kind and fair. This morning I found a little time to attempt
to catch up on what I have missed, take out the spam (most which is actually
by real people not spam bots—read below). I took a break and saw a press release
from Warners about Fagen and his new one so I immediately posted it—didn't
have time to read the past dozens of posts but this was big news so I had to
get it up. Then I saw that someone posted it. It was up for maybe 10 minutes
before I took it down. And this asshole named "Yo!"—probably "Weber"—flames
me for posting it. Someone, be it me or anyone, thinks they have some good
news for us and people like "Yo" have
to kick people in the teeth for sharing. I spend a great deal of money on all the internet services at dandom.com (compared to my income) as Steely Dan inspires
my creativity and is what I look forward to. I know there are cheaper internet
resources but I've always wanted to do this right which is why between the
different services I provide here, I spend well over $200 monthly keeping
this for people. (Thanks in advance for the few who always write back to "thank"
me by posting/flaming what a dope I am for making sure we have a server that
is always up for them to flame me at.) It is fucking sick and indecent how a minority of you behave. Sure, there's
anticipation of the new Fagen and Becker albums but does that make it OK to
critique the hell out of everyone and everybody as a form of posturing and
ego? Who the hell are you people to speculate on Becker and Fagen's personal
lives? You people are probably the same who riot and break store windows when
your favorite team wins the championship. Get a grip! Instead of wondering
how wonderful or lousy others' personal lives are, why don't you spend that
energy wondering about the health of the relationships in your own lives? That
you can change. Who the hell are some of you—like Peter Q—to assume they know
everything—like you see what goes on behind the scenes in my personal emails,
personal life, who posts what, let alone that of others, including Our Heroes. And then there are a cruel few of you who just can't resist giving SD
news without beating the shit out of another fan not even related to the SD
news at hand. Don't you realize that others have real things to say about SD
and that it is a huge turn off? For well over a decade I've been involved in a couple of twelve-step programs
and, until my own family problems these past few months, volunteer
at a rehab facility. The advice I keep hearing getting is "be gentle and go
gently." But I come here and hear and I read people basically verbally abusing
myself and others here. Then I get people like Peter Q and a few
of others who pretend to know it all and attack me as fostering that kinda
of bullshit, forwarding the bullshit to people who work with Steely Dan, even
accusing me of being the Weber or saying I'm the one who attacks. This after
bending over backward to be decent and do what I can within healthy limits
to help those who attack. In response, I get called a hypocrite, have another some self-absorbed regular
threaten to sue me because they don't like what some other asshole
wrote about them, or acuse me of attacking people. The irony is they use fake
names to do all this and then they they have the gall to insinuate to others
they think **I** am the one who who should be sued, that I am an asshole and
like beating up people or that I am playing games. Get a life! Do you have
a camera on me like the Truman show or something??? I sincerely am truly and
sincerely grateful for the advice from a couple of days ago from "Spambot"
and "Father William." FW, I have actually used the tips you mention and it
doesn't work for 90% of it because they are truly from regular trouble makers
here who spam here as their favorite aggression. Sick, huh? I hate having a
password because posting drops. Someone posted this excerpt which I concur with and edited as mine: "Kelly: Get along? Won't happen. They've been at it since I got my first Internet connection ten or so years
ago and went looking for info on Fagen and Becker. It's not about sharing the joy the music of SD brings them. Fact is that
the few of you who love to insult, think you know it all, and argue and flame
and beat up the majority of people who have something to say about SD are
not why the real fans come to places like this. It's about the fun, the music,
the thrill the love of Steely Dan." So my ideas I'm considering are this. Having posts submitted for approval
before posting, not having a BlueBook but inviting a majority of you as regular
contributors with authorship, or simply passing entirely so I have time to
write news and articles on SD. I'm trying to pick through the spam and flames and will try to do better with
that later on...thanks for your patience. Email me if you especially notice
a glaringly post. My head is spinning about some of these insane posts speculating
on Becker and Fagen's web pages and relationship, just like how some of you
make accusations against me when you don't know what is going on personally
with me. I thank those who have posted support (like "Somewhere out there")
and those who are focussing on bright light of new albums and tours, keeping
the faith.Fly low, be cool, keep your side of the Blue clean. Thanks and God bless. jim
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NOVEMBER 2005 BlueBook Entries.
Posted by: ed beatty, @WORKHi,
I posed a question Weber.
ed
Posted by: Rajah, I'll have that Phentermine now.
Posted by: Gretchen, let's get 05 over withFirst, thanks to all of the well wishers, and Happy Anniversary, Rajah, you gargantuan pain in the ass.
Thinking of LWO and Alan today, fondly remembering one year ago. Hopefully, we will see both of you soon very early in 06.
And Jim, I am sorry for all of your troubles, you're a good soul and no one's insults will ever change that.
Let's just imagine everyone on this board is in a room together. Would the nasty behavior that occurs in text occur face to face? I think not.......why can't people be civil and have some dignity when expressing discontent or disagreement? Please, if two individuals are having an argument, chances are no one else here cares and you should carry it out privately through another source, like I do with my crazy-ass husband. Let's be polite......no one's saying to behave like they're at the Vatican, but respect and empathy are the only things that will improve a fucked up situation. The world is nasty enough, as someone said earlier, why turn something we all love into a place of hate and mean spiritidness.
In my humble opinion, the subject on the Blue as of midnight should be something totally different, we should just light some virtual sage sticks and get back to talking about SD and other music.
Happy New Year to all, even the flamers, you need well wishes the most.
G
Posted by: Rajah, Balmy CTJim, my prayers and best wishes for your dear ones, they're truly lucky to have a brother like you.
Thanks for the congratulations, living with this woman is pure unadulterated hell but she is cute so, what the heck. Anyway marriage itself never changes, only the names and faces and this I really outta know by now.
Thank you darling for a very fun-packed 2005, looking forward to an even better 2006. My Probation Officer is very hopeful.
Go Donald, go Blue, go me, uh, naw, sorry, forget me. Happy New Year to all.
Posted by: W, eEd- Didn't you just say yesterday that Hoop's should shut this place down? Make up your mind.
Chuck Rainey is a bitter, broke old man.
Happy New Year
Posted by: ED Beatty, dhsTo all my SD friends
In a year with much turmoil for us all.
I'd like to suggest a NYE ceasefire of hostilities and we all move on to a year filled
with a warmer sentiment/attitude towards all who enter here.
ok?
ed
Posted by: Honeybun, Just wanted to wish all of you a very Happy New Year when it comes. All the best for 2006!
Posted by: Doc Mu, Jaco: Freddie Washington is supposedly in the bass chair
C: That view is opposed completely by Katz, Phillinganes, Grolnick, Marotta, Porcaro, Mounsey. Spin it anyway you like. I will no longer be responding to your juvenile antics...
Happy New Year...2006 will be a great one!
Posted by: PQ, NYCLOL LWO! Like 50 other people between here and Banyan Trees, you have my #, call any time.
Posted by: B, NYAll I'm saying is that the Bluebook ISN'T experiencing anything unique. Pick any artist you choose, or any topic you choose for that matter. Now find a forum that is supposedly dedicated to that topic or artist and you will inevitiably find that the subjects wander.
You've experienced this before havent' you? I have, plent of times! For instance, I was perusing a motorcycle forum the other night and I thought I had finally found a group of people who were talking about the exact subject I was interested in; "Installing a fat tire kit on a Harley Dyna Lowrider". Oh man! This was great! I had been searching for some info on that very subject, so I began reading the associated posts. Well... it started off great. There were a few posters who gave some excellent technical info on the subject, but after a few posts the participants got off track and never seemed to get back on it. By the time I was 12 or 13 posts into it, the subject had changed to "Where is eveybody going on vacation this year?". I have to admit, it was frustrating. I was like "What happened to the original subject?", you know? But I realize that posting to a forum like this is very simliar to having a conversation in a room full of people who know each other; they start off talking about one thing and end up talking about something that seems totally unrelated, but in the end I guess it's like any other real-life conversation, you never know where it will lead.
So basically all I'm saying is that Jim's guestbook isn't experiencing anything unsual. It happens on every guestbook and every forum. It happens on Pat's guestbook, it happens on James Taylor's guestbook, it happens on Bob Dylans guestbook, it happens EVERYWHERE. It's part of the deal it can't be avoided, and I don't know if we should even try to avoid it because some of the best conversations stem from people "just talking".
* Ever wonder how many cubic yards of dirt and rocks a miner has to go through to find one gold nugget? Probably a lot, but they still keep on searching don't they? God I hate being philosophical at 8am...
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Team HoopsI have almost as much faith in Hoops'ability to set the Bluebook straight for the better as I do or SD's ability to create a musical masterpiece time after time.
Hoops-whatever you do or decide not to do, you're the man! anyone who disagrees with Hoops, the awnser is simple- IF YOU DON;T LIKE IT, DON'T VISIT IT! I for one am hoping the pecking order here on Dandom will not change.
Hoops rocks, and I'm sure his familly and freinds are much the same.
Posted by: SS, HK
Jim, that's a wild ride you're on. Hang tough. My thoughts are with you and your family.
And try not to worry about the crap that goes on here. I don't care about the spam - some of its mildy amusing - and the same for the arguments between posters. That knee busting thing mind you....that's a line crossed.
Anyway, I can wade through this stuff. For others here who are real SD fans and contribute very regular and thoughtful posts but find themselves targetted on this board by wackos and people with agendas...do your best to ignore them. That can't be easy at times, but I hope you continue to manage it. And don't back down on expressing your views on the music and the wider world. I've learned tons here.
Jim, you'll do what you have to with this place...I'm hoping it stays.
Posted by: Jaco, UKHi everyone
Very pleased and excited to hear the news of the forthcoming solo albums. What a treat if we get them both within a few months of each other - it would be really interesting to A/B them and compare both the recording and songwriting.
For my $0.02, I've always felt Fagen had a slightly larger hand in the songwriting, whilst the dry and biting humour (and situations) came more from Becker. I see some people would agree with this, and some not.
Anyone know who might be in the bass chair for Morph? I think it would be great to see session ace Will Lee play with him again - he did some work on Nightfly, and he's just a consumate musician. Shame WB won't be involved...his bass playing is just delicious....Snowbound - stunning.
Did anyone get the Trans-Island Skyway single, with the Bass/Drums/Vox version of Snowbound on it? STUNNING - not only the bassplaying (and drumming) but Donalds thick layered vocals, gorgeous harmonies (the nicest I've heard since True Companion -what a track!!) and lots of subtle nuances that got lost in the mix of the regular track (to those without SA-CD systems, at least!)
Anyway guys, hope it all calms down here a bit - I'm more of a lurker than a poster but I really enjoy the regulars input.
Congrats Rajah and Gretchy! And hi to Suzy if she's out there!
Regards,
Mike
Posted by: C @ Work, ---
Here's a email I got from Chuck Rainey I got a couple of years ago:
“Hello Clas,
It's nice to hear from you! Becker and Fagen are not or were not composers in the sense that they wrote out charts and arrangements. They were basically song writers that could basically play an instrument, but relied upon Victor Feldman and/or Larry Carlton to write out the chord changes of their song demoes. All charts of the Steely Dan songs that I played on were chord composite sheets for everyone.
Parts were made up by each individual player and/or discussed during the rehersal and/or recording of the songs. Although they were not 'music notation readers' or theory versed individuals, they both had great ideas from time to time regarding instrumental parts of each recording. Overall, things were never figured out untilthe musicians input thier thoughts and feelings about their individual parts.I enjoyed being a part of their successful recordings. GREAT SONGS!!!!
I remember Stockholm very well from the mid 60's. It was my first trip overseas and lasted for 31 days as we toured the entire country as The Mahatten Parade'. I am looking forward my next trip to Sweden.
Thanks for your greeting and remember that life begins at 50!!!!!!
My Best,
Chuck Rainey”
Mu - are you saying Chuck Rainey is a liar?
---
Hoops - I understand the difficulties having a board like this. But what I don't see is why Mu and my arguings are such pain in the ass for certain people on this board.
Is it so that only ONE issue at a time are to be discussed here? I, or Mu, are not stopping anyone from post whatever THEY are interested of (Steely Dan related, ok), are we?
If our posts are turn offs to somebody, well, how should one know which issue is appropriate to lay out on this site? Is it just "happiness and sunshine" that matters here? And even if it's you who pay for this room, you can't expect every post to be a half-brother to your thoughts and ideas how things should be. If you do, you have to be an edit clerk for twentyfore hours a day.
Be cool now and Happy New Year!
//Clas
PS/ And hey, posting here or elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have a life. Say I spend one hour, maximum, on the internet a day, gives me plenty of time to take care of my job, kiss my wife, hate the cat and sleep tight eight hours a night, right?
Posted by: Little Wild One, tickingWell, I disagree with ed. The Dandom Digest is great, but it is completely dependent on Jim to put together and send out. What we have here is a community and I am truly pissed off that a couple of thugs could threaten its existence.
I'd like nothing better than to help out to keep this place going. Just tell me what I need to do.
Oh yeah, congrats Raj and G! The first year is the toughest..gets much easier after that...until about year 10....well, anyway, remembering the adventures of last year this time fondly.
P.S. PQ, sorry we didn't get to finish our chat. We were just getting to the good part, too. Damn.
Posted by: moray eel, burtI agree with ed.
I like to check this place for SD info every now and then, but 99% of the posts are spam, slice of someone's life (IS IT ALL ABOUT YOU?), and damn street fights.
I can't believe that anyone would pay $200 a month to service that.
m.e.
Posted by: Nazman, At Maxine'sWould miss this venue terribly should it be scaped.
Posted by: ed beatty, @WORKJim,
As a long time observer of the SD bulletin board postings here and elsewhere,I have seen more of the behaviour as you described than anything else.
This behaviour and the insults will continue no matter what you propose.
You have required sign ups before and I'm not sure how that was recieved.
I for one was always pleased and still am to see the Dandom Digest arrive in my mailbox.
That would suffice for me.
Maybe the Bluebook has run its course?
Your Friend
Ed
Posted by: PQ, NYCAlkali now that you've introduced physical threats into the mix my attorneys are even more interested in the posts on this board.
Posted by: Alkali, GothamJim,
i'm writing this on my pda while waiting for a table at Quartino's on Bleeker st. so if it's messy please excuse me.
be strong, we all have rough patches to get over, it doesn't seem fair sometimes.
i hope everything turns for the better, you're in our thoughts.
as far as the morons who post on your blue goes, just say the word
and i'll get rid of them for you like i did with Hassan/Hobo...
i can do the same with PQ. better yet; i can break one of his knee caps (i'm half Italian).
better days are coming
Peace
A
Posted by: Doc Mu, Jim: May you and all of us in the Blue find Peace this New Year. It's all on the inside. That doesn't mean the hats and hooters should be put away, but I support also whatever solution you deem appropriate.
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniFirst of all....thank you Hoops for allowing us to express our thoughts on the Dan. And Pam put it best...it's Hoops place and we our his guests. So with that in mind...if you feel the need to argue with each other and rip down people, then you should leave. You wouldn't be that way in someone else's house would you? I just feel that this board has turned into an elementary class with a substitute. Disrespectful and downright rude. Someone else mentioned that it's about the music, and that's where the focus should be, the music...not how someone is an idiot because they don't share the same wavelength.
This is a great place for Dan Fans to come relax and chat a spell. So can we all just do the right thing and be nice to each other? That's righ...nice. This world has gotten to nasty and evil and maybe we can turn the dial the other way.
Peace,
K
Posted by: Daddy G., NJJim, I emailed you privately with some simple thoughts and comments that I just wanted to keep private and you can read'em whenever, no big deal. But I also wanted to just publicly say...
1. Thanks for sharing your current situation. Others may be going through their own difficult times and though situations and circumstances vary it sometimes is just sort of a comfort somehow to know that others are also enduring life-altering situations and struggling against difficult circumstances. Truly I wish you and your brother and sister the best during this time and hope that together you will all make it through intact and maybe even closer as siblings. (Not that I know how close you are as siblings or anything, but these sorts of things tend to make one appreciate family and friends so much more.)
2. Thanks for all you endure in providing this haven for Dan fans. You shouldn't have to explain yourself in an effort to try to get folks to be respectful and civil with one another. Thanks too for your loyalty to the Dandom masses with the out-of-pocket expense to keep this place going.
3. Whatever you decide as an antidote for all this Blue venom spewing about lately I support you 100%---even if for whatever reason said solution does not happen to include me.
4. I too am not a fan of the spam or the angry personal vendetta posts and I normally ignore them anyway, but now especially I will gladly and silently endure them while you tend to far more important matters in your life.
Be well. Take deep breaths now and then. Rest when you can, do what you must.
______________________
"Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again..."
Here's hoping that all our personal worlds, major or minor, come together in 2006.
Peace.
Posted by: DF, Hoops -
Thank you for having this site!
God Bless you and your family for a (more)healthy and Happy New Year.
Peace and all the best Jim.
DF
Posted by: Pam, Putting out coastersJim: I am so sorry to hear about all the major stress in your life, and truly grieve with you over the weight of the decisions you've had to make lately. Thank you for being open and sharing your pain with us, and I hope we can all remember that we are partying in your house every day and give you (and each other) the respect each one deserves - especially our devoted host. Im sure there are many of us who are thinking warmly of you and sending all of our best thoughts and wishes to you, and the rest know where the door is.
Posted by: HeyMike, These Suburban StreetsHoops,
Thanks for the insight. I had the occasion to meet your sister at the Van concert a while back. Nice gal and we all wish her God Speed in her recovery. Dont make any major decisions while all this is going on. please. This is still a great place for Dan heads like myself. Is PQ the same guy that was doing the meal reviewer some time ago? If so--he's a putz. Anyway--Happy New Year all in this time of reflection. Hoopster if there is anything I can , do not hesitate to let me know--
HeyMike
Posted by: kuleebaba, Loyal Hoops fanHoops:
As a poster/lurker on your sites and mailing lists for the last 12(!) years, and a UIUC student who always meant to catch up with you when I saw the NYTFLY car driving by, this is just a short message to give you "mad props" for the incredible job you've done for the SD community.
I'm sorry to hear about the things going on in your personal life. Clearly, those are more important than this site, the mailing list, et cetera. I sincerely hope things improve for you, and soon.
I tend to ignore the nasty messages on this board and treat them as just a low signal/noise ratio. Maybe passwords are the way to go, though. Certainly that would get rid of the Viagra ads. Or, of course, shutting it down if it's a huge drain on you is the other way to go (the mailing list is plenty good, I think).
John
Posted by: NYB, reading between the pixels...Okay Jim,
I admit I've busted your balls in the past, but it was all in good fun OR because I thought you were too serious about the whole Steely Dan thing and I was trying to loosen you up. I've done the same thing to Pat Beemer and he's done the same to me, but we don't take it personally because we know deep down that it's only music after all, so there's no reason to get upset about it.
One thing I really don't think you understand Jim is that Fagen and Becker are a couple of JOKERS. They've always been jokers! They've spawned AN ENTIRE RACE of jokers! Those two guys are crazier than we could ever hope to be! Those two are ALWAYS saying or doing something tongue-in-cheek. So why is it so hard to accept the fact that thier fans might be the same way? Half of what draws me to Steely Dan is the music, and the other half is the whole universe that's been built up around thier music, such as the fans themselves. Steely Dan fans are some of the funniest, most serious, most hilarious fans in the world. I've had a ball reading and exchanging posts with them over the past 6 years. They're all pretty interesting people in thier own right.
As far as the off-topic discussion goes, it's inevitable, because people just CAN'T talk about Steely Dan 100% of the time. This doesn't just happen on this board or Pat's board, it happens on every last board on the internet. People have other things on thier minds I guess, and just want to discuss them. I don't personally see the harm in that. Now that Fagen and Becker are about to release more music there's alot to talk in the Dan world, but what about 3 years from now? Sure, people will still be here talking about Steely Dan but they'll be talking about other things too because, quite honestly, they'll be forced to. And that won't be a bad thing, because it will keep the whole crew together till the next SD/Fagen/Becker release, right?
Anyway, I know you're kinda stressed out right now, and I'm sorry to hear about everything that's happening in your life right now, but just try to take it easy and maybe be just a little less serious about all of this okay? After all, is any of this as serious as any of those things you mentioned in your last post? Of course not. This only about music and fun, right? So let's try to have some and just forget about trying to monitor all these posts (except for the spam) and whatever. You'll be less stressed out and life will go on anyway, no?
Bill
Posted by: John, NYCDid Fagen mention what type of tour he was doing? Theatres,Arenas or smaller nightclubs? Just wondering.
Also, does anyone have any setlist information for the NY Rock and Soul Revue tour? I only saw one show and have the CD. I was wondering if he did any differant songs in other cities? Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Webster, on LT's guestlistHoop's that wasn't me.
But this is.....
Peter Q is a tiny pimple on Keith Carlock's ass.
Posted by: Little Wild One, banging shoe on tableLike all of us haven't taken our turn in the barrel, PQ. I'd just like to ask you one question. What the fuck is your agenda here?
You have my number.
Posted by: PQ, NYCAnybody here can go back and read the posts of early June and read the absolutely *disgraceful* way you let people post here about a show I posted about Jim. You let Weber, some other hag, and you let Carrack aka Ivory Eddie aka Kelly Dwyer, flame the show and call me "bitch" - all things that are supposed to be specifically against your policies here. But you let it go on and on and on for days until you realized what was really going on, and who it was that was *really* getting flamed. Then your tune changed real quick.
And you bet your fucking ass the appropriate people were made aware of it.
Posted by: hoops,
These people are here for two reasons and two reasons only: The love of their
own musing and being the centre of attention. The fact that it's a Steely Dan
page is irrelevant. Two guestbooks aren't enough, and I'm sure whatever other
non-Steely Dan groups, forums or guestbooks they frequent get the same treatment.
And once the album is out and alt.music.steely-dan becomes more active they
will be there in full force as well to grab whatever attention they imagine
they get.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Look at it this way - TWO albums out in a year! Dr. Becker can probably finish an album withinin a few months with the usual Wyndam Hill suspects.
Morph will be spectacular. We should see action at the Reprise site, donaldfagen.com and i Tunes within a matter of days. From death, a new birth...
Posted by: Little Wild One, nostalgia is a form of depressionYou're so right, SS. It is an exciting time! That's one of the reason New Year's Eve is one of my favorite holidays...so much to look forward to. 'Course the multiples of bubbly doesn't really hurt.
All of the leaked updated bio is intriguing and it takes several reads to take it all in.
IMO, this blurb speaks volumes about Steely Dan and the way D&W approach it all, “I don’t think you can escape the environment we live in now, and if Steely Dan has survived -- and I have survived as a solo artist – it’s partly because we’ve reflected what’s going on around us. We’ve always copped to getting older and not tried to preserve any false rock & roll youth.”
And that's just the beginning. I don't think I've ever seen DF be so introspective...
WOW
Posted by: Ann, BorneoCongrats: Rajah and Gretchen!! You've made it!!
Jeri: How's about a posting from you!! Enjoy the holiday!
Just one year since I became a poster here in the Blue....and to think, some of you thought I was someone else (??) when I first started to post....as if!! Hopefully now you all realise that I'm just a Lancashire Lass stuck on Fantasy Island and appreciating the company that the Blue brings me. Thanks Hoops for giving us all the opportunity to meet up here and express our views.
Happy New Year to all of you in Greater Damdom, to Donald and Walter and their families and, of course, to my dear Skunk, gone but not forgotten!
Ann
Posted by: Ann, BorneoThanks LWO, we needed Desiderata to keep our feet on the ground!
Ann
Posted by: Somewhere Out There, a better placeGo placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
they are vexatious to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs;
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love;
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with god,
whatever you conceive him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952.
Posted by: Still Sparkin', BaffledomBizarre...
I just read the best and most postive stuff DF has had to say for ages....full of insights about his process, philosophy, and staying power....and this board is all about a feud (alleged) between the two...as well as this continued trans Atlantic sniping.
So yeah, NYB....agree it isn't worth exploring (marital spats - if they exist), not when there is so much else to look forward to. That kind of speculation I thought was for times of famine.
That's not now. Yee - ha !!!!!!!!!!!!
A new take on Aja ? Doesn't that get you going ?
DF in that interview sounded about as straight as he ever gets. Not that he hasn't spoken plainly before, but he seemed at ease there in a way I don't often see. Could he really be a late bloomer ? I know that's refuted in the article, but this board has discussed before how rare it is for an artist this far along in his career to keep the quality level up. Apparently there's no let up on this album.
One concern though. If it's a trilogy and this is three.....then what ? Can/will DF head in another direction ?
And oh yeah....Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah - all that good stuff.
Raj and G....congrats.
Posted by: Clas, ---
What's the matter with you Mu? You sound so desperate and are bringing in stuff that hasn't the least to do with what we're trying to discuss.
1. My bad English (which is not THAT bad, you just have to read a little closer).
2. Fagen snapped Jackson Browne's band (band? To my knowledge it's Jeff Young who's going to tour with Fagen, but I guess you're sitting on some inside info, as usuall).
3. Fagen invented the Internet (!).
4. My sources aren't reliable, but for some reasons your second hand bull is.
5. You knew a girl named Ricki, and she said Fagen was good with maths, therefor, per automatics, he could notate and write charts when he was 3 years old.
6. Fagen spent a summer at Berklee. And... uhum, yeah?
7. I am welcome not to buy Morph the Cat. Oh thanks Mu, do I need your permission to buy or not to buy?
You are a College Teacher in Maths and know nothing about playing and recording and charts.
And I guess you are all jazzed up now becuse of the release of Fagens new one, so I forgive you. Happy New Year!
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And Hoops, those spam posters directed towards me, you're not going to take THEM down are you? You hypocrite.
---/C
Posted by: Lester, Rite-aid West LaSwell
Please come and pick up the orders for a gallon of KY'jell and a case of Gold Bond. thank you. orders won't be held after the New Year.
Posted by: Mr WhatevaH !, Sheraton Mirage, Port DouglasHey Gretchen and Rajah
Congratulations on your 1st wedding anniversary may you have many more !
Posted by: Louis Nye, Holmbly HillsHi Ho' Rajah Ream-o"
They seem to read youre needs quite well mummsy
Posted by: Rajah, How do they know our pharmaceutical needs is what I wonder.
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Wondering...Funny that we haven't yet seen a spam site pushing Chronax...
SoH
Posted by: Doc Mu, "he couldn't" Yep, it's soooooo easy to bait Clas into revealing his hand. Yet, somehow, that is correct. Dr. Fagen not only invented the microcomputer, but also the Internet along with Al Gore in order to avoid ever having to learn to hand transcribing notation and lead sheets.
B: I doubt they're feuding. However, I would not be surprised if another SD album never materialized...
Posted by: B, NYAll this B.S. about a Fagen(Hatfield) and Becker(McCoy) fuede must be wrong. Fagen was just interviewed for Morph and all he did was continuously mention Becker. They've known each other since they were kids. They just finished two albums together in the last 5 years. I dont' think we've got anything to worry about with them. They'll be friends till the end. Even though friends sometimes disagree and even argue it doesn't mean they don't still care fore one another, right?
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?MF-Wouldn't you like to know!
Not sure what creatively means, but I'll take it as a compliment. You're very creatively yourself ;)
It is probably true that all the theories on DF/WB'S relationship (including mine) are complete over-the-top hype filled crap. Amazing how, the more succesfull you become in showbiz, the harder it is to do ANYTHING without a dozen theories backed by idiots like me springing up on the web.
Posted by: What should one really think !! ?, NYC99% of the wild eyed speculation about wb and df's relationship and sd in general that has emerged in last several hours is completely off base.
What is most curious is why there is suddenly the emergence of a post about a wb.com site when df is basking in the limelight with product in hand.
One would think that wb's pr person would allow df his moment in the sun instead of shoving him to the side of the stage.
You would think that after almost 40 years of friendship one would expect that the people surrounding wb would have more respect for donald.
Posted by: Snow Job, Jack FrostNobody? ...
Ok, adios Amigos
Posted by: Snow Job, Jack FrostWhat about more news about WB?
Posted by: Settings -> Save Bulk Dump Temporary? -> Are you sure?, Press Enter---
Mu - he couldn't - therefor didn't. Tapes, sequencer data, computer files, that's his way.
---
Posted by: gagi, europeMaybe Walter Becker will go all Roots Reggae on his new album?
Posted by: THE FITTEST, OF THE FITTESTNo fooling it's a fucked up world
Posted by: DF Solo Release, + WB Solo Release=$teely Dan $ummer tour. Bidne$$ is Bidne$$.
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. Belzoniwb.com is blank for me. Could be a quirky thing goin' on.
Posted by: MF, ChicagoMerde,
I mean "11TOW" of course.
Eventually I was shocked by the "F" word ;)
Posted by: MF, ChicagoNo foolin, DF's solo-records are much more sold than
WB's 11TOF (although very excellent, too).
WB tries again, to sell by help with the maelström
of DF's popularity
as he did after kamakiriad,
- and, why not?
He deserves every shilling
Posted by: Classless- You are a fucking pathetic idiot, Yes, the F word because Clas is uselessClas, give it up- Mu's case has been much more solid than yours.
Irregadless, it's not a meaningful point- Fagen's art(and WB's) and the recognition of it by many many sources is all that really matters.
Your art,of course, is appreciated by very few...
Bye the way, we really appreciated your extended absence. Why don't you considerresuming your vacation from this forum - permanently.
Posted by: MF, ChicagoWolf, you are another victim of the browser (see below).
Regards,
MF
Posted by: Wolf, The DogYeah, Clas, at least he has ideas. You are one to talk. hij
WB.com points to SD.com still. ciafo!
Posted by: Doc , ...and that means MORE OUTTAKES!!!!!!!
Posted by: Doc Mu, Clas, He could have both. Besides the question was COULD he and DID he in studio... You're welcome not to buy Morph. I mean if Baker's on there, it's waaaaay too sucky for you anyway...and how DARE Fagen snatch Jackson Browne's band away!
LOVE over GOLD, b***ch!
Posted by: Clas, --->
Says Fagen:
“And I’m always writing -- I have a lot of cassettes in a box with ideas.”
If Fagen was that chart freak Mu's suggesting, wouldn't that be “a lot of charts in a box with ideas”?
Posted by: MF, ChicagoOr Morphia the Mouse ;)
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniIt's starting to make sense. Both sites being down like this, I think Becker has an album that will come out the same day as Fagen's...only his will be titled Ralph the Dog...a companion piece to Fagen.
OK...a huge stretch!!!
Posted by: Gagi, Europe" !! " must be Mr. Becker himself, or his slave...
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniYeah....wb.com took you to sd.com Somethin' is brewin'!!!
Posted by: ph, hoopy froodYah, didn't WB.com use to point to SD.com?
KDawg, I hope it's the latter. :)
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniWell, well, well....I checked out wb.com and it now sits there blank instead of taking you to sd.com So that could only mean 1 of 2 things......solo album soon, or he and Fagen really are pissed at each other. I'm hoping it's the former!
Posted by: svinja, at homeunbelievable....
but the page is still blank!?
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniI'm starting to think that both Becker and Fagen had so much material that they decided that a Steely album wasn't enough for all of it. So they did seperate works, the tunes could make it out in doses. You know they have an album or two left as a duo. Besides, it gives us a chance to see the men as seperate artists again and really see their own music come to the front. Since we truly don't know who writes the "music" per se. I mean...I hear Fagen lays down the part on keys, or Becker has a cool bass part to go from...it just tough to figure out. But here, we can pick up on each of their styles and enjoy it. I am just hoping that before they call it a career, they redo Second Arrangement. The fans have been begging for it, and it can close that dark chapter.
and
C: my phrase was a play on the real one....it's all good.
Posted by: !!, !!
!!!
walterbecker.com
!!!
Posted by: MF, ChicagoLord, You are yet so creatively!
How old are you?
Posted by: ph, hoopy froodluckless, methinks you're another victim of the BROWSER CACHE. go into your internet explorer settings and tell it to reload the page every time you visit.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, The endg.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be+Present Prince Of Wales, Continued part twotin
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Continued...ry interes
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?There's a chance that Becker has in fact done work on 'Morph' we just don't know it yet. The album, in all it's officially confirmed glory, won't be out for several months by the looks of things.
However, the Becker/Fagen dispute idea seems likely. It is known that Becker controls most of the effort behind SD.com, and why is there no new SD album, when the guys reunited for TVN? If things where all sugar and spice, shouldn't there be more than two albums?
Whicever way this turns out, things could be ve
Posted by: MF, ChicagoGaslighting Frogger
Posted by: C @ the Vampire State Building, United Snakes of America---
CURIOUSITY KILLED THE CAT
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Posted by: lucklesspedestrian, Scotlandthat's odd, it was definitely there earlier this afternoon when I searched at work, now it's gone!
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniTip: Never hit return before you type your post!!! ;)
Now...I really don't think Fagen would use a cover similar to that pic...though it's flippin' funny!
And the Becker not being a part may not be true. Do we know for certain if he didn't play at all, or if he was even present just to hang? Maybe Walter is doing his own album, maybe he is burned out yet again, or aomething entirely different. If you read the long write-up from the record company, you'll notice he brings up Walter a lot, which means I don't think he's pissed at him. Maybe that's something that will be brought up in time. Remember, Donald has to do about a million interviews before and after Morph comes out.
Let's just all relax until we get more info.
Speculation kills the cat!
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. Belzoni
Posted by: gagi, europedear ladys and sirs,
as you see on steelydan.com,
on the front page, there is the last album-cover (everything must go).
on donaldfagen.com, before it went off,
there was also a picture from hist last release
(ny rock+soul revue).
so after the update of donaldfagen.com,
there will be the cover of his new album on the frontpage.
maybe it would look like this:
http://home.cwru.edu/~bwm3/stupid/cat-owned.jpg
Posted by: Just the facts, Morph: apparently no fuzzy pussy!Before letting you get on with a bit of reading in the form of a far from useless new bio from the record company, let me just wish you all a Happy New Year. OK. Read on:
DONALD FAGEN
Morph The Cat
Donald Fagen’s Morph The Cat is just your average soulful and sexy masterpiece about love, death and homeland defense. “There’s nothing sexier than the Apocalypse,” Fagen explains helpfully. “I suppose you could call this album Apocalypse Wow.”
The darkly beautiful third solo effort from Fagen -- the longtime co-leader of Steely Dan -- follows 1981’s classic The Nightfly and 1993’s acclaimed Kamakiriad, and represents the latest installment in what now appears to be a powerful and at times deeply personal trilogy. “The Nightfly is sort of looking from the standpoint of youth, “Fagen explains. “Kamakiriad would be more about midlife. This new one is about endings really. So in a way this really has become a sort of trilogy. In fact, there are plans to put all three albums out in a box where they belong.”
Along with his recording and touring with the reconstituted Steely Dan over the past decade, the inspired Morph The Cat offers the latest evidence that Fagen -- whose long bout with writer’s block ate up much of the Eighties -- has become some sort of late-blooming workhorse. How does Fagen explain his productivity of late? “I don’t know -- marriage?” offers Fagen who married singer-songwriter Libby Titus in 1993. “Marriage is good, but I think I’ve actually been fairly consistent except for that spell in the Eighties. Other than that time, I’ve either been recording or touring pretty solidly. And I’m always writing -- I have a lot of cassettes in a box with ideas.”
The material that Fagen wrote for Morph The Cat goes back a number of years, but the project crystallized in the past two years as he began to ponder life and death issues in a new way. “I’m starting to get older, and began to think about mortality a little more,” says Fagen. “My mother died in 2003 and that was a big shock. When your parents start to die off, that’s going to be a revelation. So for me, this album -- although it might sound quite cheery -- is really talking a lot about death.”
On first impression, for instance, the appearance of the album’s title character “Morph The Cat” might sound like some adorable feline visitation. Yet by the time this characteristically groovy and jazzy title tune reprises at the end of the album -- following the vaguely frightening “Mary Shut The Garden Door” -- it becomes clear Morph might be more Trojan Horse than just some warm and fuzzy pussy. “Yeah,” Fagen says by way of confirmation, “Morph is only fuzzy on first impression.” In his liner notes, Fagen describes the infectious song’s storyline thusly: “A vast, ghostly cat-thing descends on New York City, bestowing on its citizens a kind of ecstasy.”
Fagen reveals here that “Mary Shut The Garden Door” -- with its hints of “War of The Worlds”-type attack -- was in fact inspired by another different though still scary invasion. “Actually I wrote that one right after the Republican Convention came to Manhattan,” he recalls. “I’d much rather be fighting aliens -- although there are some similarities. I think it’s safe to say that my fears at the time were borne out to the letter.”
This potent combination of dark thoughts and upbeat tunes is nothing new for Fagen. “Walter Becker and I had that plan from the beginning,” Fagen says of his gifted Steely Dan co-conspirator. “It’s worked pretty well for three decades, so there’s no point in stopping now.” By the same token, the man who made bomb shelters sexy with The Nightfly’s “New Frontier” now brings a newfound sexual heat to the airport pat-down on another gem, “Security Joan.” For Fagen, “Security is such a mortifying and monotonous experience that you have to try and distract yourself somehow.”
Fagen has no problem if Morph The Cat resonates with our troubled and troubling times. “I don’t think you can escape the environment we live in now, and if Steely Dan has survived -- and I have survived as a solo artist – it’s partly because we’ve reflected what’s going on around us. We’ve always copped to getting older and not tried to preserve any false rock & roll youth.”
Indeed, another of Morph The Cat’s highlights is a salute of sorts to nesting called “The Great Pagoda of Funn.” As Fagen recalls, “I was trying to come up with something that sounded exotic and yet safe at the same time. When you have a lover and build a relationship that seems safe, you feel you like you have a kind of edifice separating you from the horrors of the world. That’s the image I came up with. And I like the “Funn” spelled with two n’s. It has something of Gilbert & Sullivan about it -- like something left over from “The Mikado.” That one is sort of Bogus Oriental. And there’s nothing better than Bogus Oriental.”
One more standout is “It’s What I Do,” a song that features the ghost of the late great Ray Charles in a major role. “Actually I had that tune for awhile,” says Fagen. “I think I didn’t accept myself as a performer until very recently. I always thought I had this sort of fake job. Like a lot of people of my generation, I didn’t quite sink into my actual profession, so it was difficult for me to take myself seriously in any given role. So I had this song that concerned itself with that concept. Then when Ray Charles died, I realized it would be much better if I addressed it to Ray Charles rather than just have it be about me because he was such a great role model. So that one’s really a younger version of myself addressing the ghost of Ray Charles.”
Musically, Morph The Cat blends jazz, soul and other musical influences -- not unlike Brother Ray once did -- with extended grooves and ever changing textures and a sort of musical ambition rarely heard anymore – think Aja set in current day Manhattan. “I like it when songs develop in some way and four minutes isn’t usually enough time for something to develop musically usually,” says Fagen. “I’m still kind of plugged into the Duke Ellington model -- something akin to classical music – where you start with something, you develop it a little bit and stick with it. And when you get a groove going, time flies.”
Written and arranged by Fagen with engineering help by Elliot Scheiner, Morph The Cat features some familiar names among its musicians. “The players here are people who Walter and I have been working with for a while,” says Fagen. “When we started touring again in the Nineties, we began building a band again. Most of the players on the record are the people we ended up with after going through various players through the Nineties and now into the Twenty-First Century.”
Fagen says he has no concern about releasing Morph The Cat at a time when the music industry and the market seem as uncertain as the world itself. “I operate under Seventies rules no matter what time it is,” Fagen explains. “It’s a contract I have with my mind. I just keep forging on no matter what and reality doesn’t have much to do with it.”
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That's it. I want to hear the record N-O-W!!!
Posted by: NostraDONus, 8th dimensionJim quit posting as "Weber".
Posted by: Mr. Informal Logic, 1993 - Kamakiriad
1994 - 11TOW
It stands to "reason" that if Walter was writing songs for his solo album in 1993 then he wouldn't be working on Donald's album.
And yet he produced Kama and played bass and lead guitar on it.
Gee... how peculiar.
Posted by: Weber, BLUE BOOKHutch- If you would gave been hanging around here instead of talking politics with all of the other dummies on St. Al's Yelow, Becker's absence wouldn't be a surprise to you. I find it funny that people like you and Tones (and even St. Al) come out of the wood work to the Blue Book when this record is about to come out.
Hoops this goes to prove that you, and you alone have been the ONLY person to set up a forum for real Steely Dan fans. Come here to talk Dan...Go to St.Al's to talk Bush!
Thank you Jim!!
Posted by: Just the facts, Updated bio to come...CLAS: I'm not sure about "world premiere in Sweden". My guess is that most of whatever radio stations in Europe they mail it to will get H Gang at or about January 11.
The question is of course WHAT radio station will make room in the playlist to spin Donald's new one?
Here's my suggestion: As you live closer to Warner Sweden than I do, how about if you pay them a visit and leave with at least one copy of the promo. Mail it to me and I'll have it on the air January 11! :-)
Posted by: Sigmund Fraud, powers of deductionIf Becker is working on his own cd it stands to reason that he wouldn't be working on Donalds.
That'll be $220 dollars. Seeya next week.
Posted by: CLA\S, >--->
World premiere in Sweden? That's good to hear. Jan 11, 2006
<---<
Posted by: Hutch, "Becker is not among the musicians on the new album".
If true, that's a little disappointing.
http://www.kslx.com/listingsEntry.asp?ID=392860&PT=100%2E7+Music+News
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Posted by: Doppler Radar, stormin' the mainland5 New Fagen Tour Dates!
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Posted by: Just the facts!, H Gang goes to radioHear ye! Hear ye!
Sneaking a peek at the release schedule over here in swinging Scandinavia I spotted the first Morph-single listed for release to radio January 11!
The track WB Reprise have picked is "H Gang", and by the looks of it it is a radio-only single. No mention of a commercial release date. Couldn't find any date for Morph either, so they must still be pondering the prefect week, day, hour, second.
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniI just checked df.com and still down. Did you see the page as it was before it went down?
Posted by: lucklesspedestrian, ScotlandDonaldfagen.com is back up....hooray!
nothings changed......boo!
Posted by: echoes from the future, the sign post up aheadOl' Man Roth would never come here" Johnny Ola knows these places like the back of his hand.
Posted by: How about a Kiss and my Christmas' complete?, --->
The Arabs wandered all the way through north Africa and invanded Spain. So, from Kairo to Madrid to Cuba to USA, quite a Globetrotter, right?
<---
Posted by: C, <---
Gadd - Cuban - Spanish.
A friend of mine name's Gad - Arab, Egypt.
--->
Posted by: Local Boy, Singapore the heart of AjaA source here in Singapore has listed
Donald Fagen solo album released on Warner (WEA) worldwide March 6, 2006, title (tentative) Passaic Journey , also listed as 'Black Midnight'
righteous
25 years after the release of 'Time Out of Mind' as a single
Posted by: Rajah, What's behind Monty's Cookie JarFinally, we're down to pure conjecture on the Donald whazzup.
The tension is killing.
ph - I forgot, 18 is indeed waaay older than 16. Like say, 51 is to 39 now, if I remember vaguely.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCJAH: I now have the Nye county paper book marked,
thank you very little.
A
Posted by: Fireball Watkins, home cookin'I hates my generashin' too! Here! You take my 40-sumthin' wife and I'll take that little Amy Smart lookin' gal you got in the seat nest to ya! Oh hey, before you go, you got any bud in glovebox? Uncle Fireball needs his bud! WAHOO!
Posted by: ph, hoopy froodOh Rajah, how little you understand. There's a drastic difference from my days as a 16-year-old and my current age of 18. Back then I was a cocky, self-absorbed, self-loathing, unappreciative, inexperienced, uncultered, and pitiful excuse for a developing human child; now I'm a cocky, self-absorbed, self-loathing, unappreciative, inexperienced, uncultered, and pitiful excuse for a legal adult who hates his own generation and hence listens to Steely Dan. Oh, and I own a car now, too, so neener neener.
Posted by: Rajah de Torquemada, nobody expected itThe plot, she thickens.
So we have an east to west tour, limited to say 10 to 30 but I'm thinking closer to 10 shows. Shows in the City, Boston, Mohegan Sun, Atlantic City somewhere else in Jersey/Philly, DC, Chi.; then beat it out west to Pachenga Casino in Temecula, SD, Phoenix, LA - hoping for the Wiltern or Kodak Theatre, Santa Barbara, SF - the Warfield, please, Vegas, Denver. That's like a four week tour, three shows, four tops per week.
Posted by: Bushie, watchoutwwherethehuskiesgoDoes the Yellow: We've just monitored your posts and cell calls with our Retch-alon covert spying initiative this afternoon searching for Leaks of Mass Dispensation...data currently being transferred to attorneys representing donaldfagen.com for proper legal recourse.
oops...Damn, I just outted one of our own essential intelligence operations again! I'm...so...f**&*ing...stupid!!! [head slap]
Posted by: Does the Yellow, uomTrying to test me Rajah? This is the last I'll comment on this. Like I said, Let Donald Fagen Dot Com confirm everything for you.
East coast first, West coast last. How many shows? Let's just say more than 10 less than 30. That's it, I'm gone!
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.OK, then, does Donald start out here or home in NY? How many dates?
Posted by: Does the Yellow, BeantownThat should be "live" in those unfortunate states.
Posted by: Svinja, coldDoes the Yellow:
What about Europe?
svinja
Posted by: Svinja, coldTulip Jones:
good job,
you may also like this one:
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Reagads,
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Posted by: Does the Yellow, still talk Dan?Rajah & The Fittest.....Yes we do know. I have some very good contacts. Besides Portland and Seattle, no Texas or Fla shows either.
I'm sure when Donald Fagen dotcom comes back on line you'll find out that my contacts are 100% correct. I live in Boston, so I'm sitting pretty! Sorry to be the bearer of bad news to the fans who leave in those unfortunate states.
Posted by: Godot, tryjahloveYou waiting for me? I said, you waiting for me?!
Posted by: Tulip Jones, The Flower BedOf course by now everyone here has heard the great trio version of Do It Again by Phillipe Saise that you hear 400 times a day on the 'smooth jazz' stations?
Posted by: THE FITTEST, OF THE FITTESTYes, "Does The Yellow", where did you hear that?
Have you got news?
Posted by: JAH, NO DEADALKALI:
Hey fellow, look!
http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2005/04/22/news/pvdems.html
Thank you
JAH
Posted by: Rajah, We don't know what, where or when the Donald will do anything so we wait. Stay tuned to donaldfagen.com.
Posted by: bellona, seattleHi, i'm new. Glad i found this board to keep me satisfied while SD.com's sleeping.
I have a question for 'Does The Yellow'. where did you hear that Donald's not coming to seattle for his march tour?
that is such a disappointment.....
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?I never said SILLINESS is bad, but morph worship is!
'thou shalt not worship craven images' (OR CD'S CRAVEN FROM VINYL AND FUNK)
Posted by: Does the Yellow, still discuss Steely Dan?Calling Suedave and DianeDianeDiane,
When you get a hold of St. Al please let him know that their are no DF shows in Seattle or Portland this coming March. Do you think Pat will actually "travel" to go see a show? 50-1 says he won't. Any bets?
Posted by: Alkali, NYCRAJAH: Yes, our people have always swung a mean stick; even the ones who don't play drums!
(Reem shot)
Thank you
A
actually, i have Jewish relatives with the Gadd last name...
so i just assumed.
Posted by: MF, CHic in a CAr ready to GOSorry, Lordship, about silliness.
I'll be serious now.
MF
Posted by: MF, ChicagoThanks for your great site! buy 10 milligrams of Cronax.Mega sites people! Happy new year & harmony between Steely Dan-Fans worldwide
Posted by: Fireball Watkins, facing armageddon with a spastic colonFact is, Fagen pulled his site off the air after all those Lundvist posts about him not being able to write music charts and whatever. Word is he's cancelled the next cd and has decided to open a corner convienience store in Yonkers and never look back.
(He will be availiable for the occasional birthday party and wedding gig though. Convienience stores don't pull the kinda bucks they used to...)
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Chrysler-I myself never felt amused at Fagens voice, I actually have always felt a great respect for him and awe at what can be done with real great American vocal chords like Fagens. I don;t especially think Fagen has any true rootings in his voice, which seems able to take on many twists and turns whilst remaining familiar.
However, I am, apparently, not really English since I hold nothing against Americans or any member of any other skin colour, religion or country, unlike most Brits, 70% of whom hate American and 80% of whom ar racist, or think it's cool to be so anyway.
MF-'we are not worthy', what is Morph, an album or a God?
Anyone with Fagenated ears, in fact anybody whatsoever, is worthy of hearing good music.
Don't tell me yo where born with the complete Steely Dan works in your head. According to your point, everyone was, at some time, 'unworthy', unless there are special chosen ones who are the only people on the planet allowed to listen to good music.
The Chosen Dan...
Posted by: Rajah, Thanks for that ringing endorsement of Morph, Yvonne. Nice entrance. And what school of diplomacy did you attend, dear?
Posted by: MF, ChicagoHello all. I am a small man and you site like me!
Many of you around here are not worthy to experience Morph's greatness.
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Posted by: Rajah, on needles & 0-pin-ionsSo Gadd is a GUMBA! Our people swing a mean stick. Or is it schtick?
Posted by: Corpsy V, re: The Year of the CatColonel Mu, we're reporting to duty. The squad tried to twist mr Jonathan Cohen for more info on his Billboard newsbulletin but he must have been trained as an NSA agent or something because he smiled at us and politely refused!
Clas, how about you sending mr Young another email...?
The source of being REsourceful, right?
Posted by: StAlphonzo, Seattle, WAHey ya'all!
Looking for the following people:
- SueDave
- DianeDianeDiane
Please contact one StAlphonzo at yer earliest convenience.
In the event of a tour from you know who, I'm wondering how we're gonna organize? Do yous two already have plans? Sitting in my corner of the world I'm a little out-of-touch...
Hey Hoops!
StAl
PS: Aja just came on the radio. The synchronicity of it all... Yeah Peter, I know...
Posted by: Doc Mu, A: lol
Raj: I'm feelin' lucky re: the blossoming of the updated Fagen site today...after all I was just informed by email that I have won both the Euro and UK lotterires on the same day... without even entering! What are the odds?!!
Posted by: DF, Alkali -
Funny ditty. Steve Gadd (Gaddiamo)is Italian not Jewish.
Posted by: heymike, Rudy'sAlkali--very funny -- if sung with Sandlers tune that's a great laugh--Happy Holidays to all and it looks like it'll be a great 2006!
Peace
Posted by: Alkali, NYCPut on your yalmulka, here comes hanukkah
Its so much fun-akkah to celebrate hanukkah,
Hanukkah is the festival of lights,
Instead of one day of presents, we have eight crazy nights.
When you feel like the only kid in town without a x-mas tree, heres a list of People who are jewish, just like you and me:
Donald Jay Fagen lights the menorrah,
So do Steve Gadd, Michael Brecker, and the late dinah shore-ah
Guess who eats together at the Carnegie deli,
Bowzer from sha-na-na, and arthur fonzerrelli.
Paul newmans half jewish; goldie hawns half too,
Put them together--what a fine lookin’ jew!
You don’t need deck the halls or jingle bell rock
Cause you can spin the dreidl with Warren Bernhardt but not with Keith Carlock.
Put on your yalmulka, it’s time for hanukkah,
The owner of the seattle super sonic-ahs celebrates hanukkah.
O.j. simpson-- not a jew!
But guess who is...Victor Feldman, woo-hoo-hoo!
We got ann landers and her sister dear abby,
Gary Katz is all jewish--not too shabby!
Some people think that ebeneezer scrooge is,
Well, he’s not, but guess who is:all three stooges.
So many jews are in the music biz--
Walter Becker isn’t, but I heard his agent is.
Tell your friend veronica, it’s time you celebrate hanukkah
I hope I get a harmonica, on this lovely, lovely hanukkah.
So drink your gin-and-tonic-ah, and smoke your mara-juanic-ah,
If you really, really wanna-kah, have a happy, happy, happy, happy
Hanukkah!
L'Chaim!
A
Posted by: Rajah, Morph watch, 2006I think I speak Yinglish.
Not making fun of you Paul but that was priceless, I suppose when you're 18, you think of 16 as waaay younger. The perfect retort in any case...
Jeff Young works out of LA nowadays, can't help wondering if Donald is going to use some version of his Youngsters for this purported West Coast appearance(s?). Seems if DF wanted to do a limited series of dates in support of Morph he'd do an East coast/West coast swing playing legit theatrical venues and charge an arm and a leg for a seat. Course that would piss off a lot of people in the middle.
But what about what Mr. Purdie declared to us last summer in Cincy that there would be a Steely Dan tour this year? I realize situations change but he did come right out and say that contracts had been entered into and certain moneys had been posted. Don't know how he would be privy to information of this type but I don't think it's something he'd just concoct.
Cue drum roll on the DF website...
Posted by: Doc Mu, C: I suck. You should be grateful.
KD, I: Yeah, even our lab can update our website with new pdfs in a day...hmmmmmmm...has to be a delay tactic...or something spectacular using source code (right)...
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniWell...since Fagen has a Web Mistress, that person should update as need be. If Fagen isn't very responsive, it sits idle for practically months. Now, Fagen should be web savvy enough to know that fans look to sites for updates and little nuggets here and there. We get more from other outlets and that shouldn't be. I think it'd be wonderful if Fagen himself gave the updates and let the fans know what is going on. Steely Dan.com was good in giving people updates...but DF.com has been very dissapointing. Hopefully, the update will be for the better. And by better, I mean sound clips!!! ;)
later
Posted by: YGK, nycHey 16! (sexteen?)
LWO - your accent is like, so, obvious, y'know?
ygk
Posted by: DWB, Shade close to paleOne of the funniest tiny Blue conversations ever... About ph, Harum and the age thing!
Are you 16.... priceless! Thanks you both.
Posted by: I, Trying to get that promo ahead of "early 2006"...KD:
My first thought regarding donaldfagen.com being down was that somehow someone hadd decided to pull the plug on the page as it didn't reflect the news published in Billboard, Rolling Stone etc...
And with everyone on a Chrstmas/New Years break there's noone to update the page and get it abck online until early January.
But that is a problem that might happen to a smalltime homepage, not the professionally administered world of steelydan.com/donaldfagen.com, right?
Perhaps it's just a reaction to the seemless flashy updates of artists sites and a way to get a buzz going by "underwhelming" the visitors to come back again and again. I know I'm there a couple of times a day just to see if it is back up.
Meanwhile www.walterbecker.com still redirects you to steelydan.com. When will Walter's site come alive??? :)
Posted by: Clas, ---
Mu - ok, maybe I confused Dias words with Dean Parks' from the Making of Aja video.
So, you have played in a band? Keyboard? All these years and you haven't told me and you haven't compiled to the guestbook CD's. What a shame about you, Mu.
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Posted by: Little Wild One, migratoryDonald definitely has speech affected by where he grew up and his heritage (bof, in other words), as we all do. Interesting reading re: that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language
Allegedly, I speak Yinzbonics morphed with Gulf Southern. Who knew?
Posted by: Doc Mu, KD, A: Ooooooh, chuck full of info and clips....please....
Posted by: Doc Mu, nukedanothergrandma'sapplepie C: Incorrect yet again. Most of Dias' thoughts, except for the single Aja comment, were from the Steely Dan Handbook which was released before Aja! 1976 - I bought it in late 1977 just when Aja came out with songs through Katy and I think RS. We tried to play 'em. DAMN, they were hard. It was in a VERY short-lived band. Got a little boring just singing America and Eagles songs... so the band broke up in May
Posted by: YGK, nycFor the Record, PA: there are distinct "New York Accents" which are micro-regionalized, believe it or not. I had this crush on this girl from Queens when I was a boy - if she would have had a Brooklyn accent, I would've paid no mind.
Many Queens born folks move out to the Island. You might be able to picture migratory birds, but it's similar in movement.
There are Jersey accents, Long Island, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island is more Brooklyn, in my experience.
fyi
Posted by: Alkali, NYCCHRYSLER: I agree that Donald doesn't have that hard and prevalent NYC accent but, he does have one.
It may be subtle but it's there.
Listen to the way he sings the words "Fire" and "Burn" in 'Fire in the hole'
or "Heart beat" in 'Turn that heart beat over again' and of course the song lyric that got this whole discussion happening "start" in 'Everyone’s gone to the movies'
I live in NYC and I’ve got it too. It’s not pronounced in every word I speak but, it pops up nonetheless.
Whether he's doing it subconsciously and not during interviews or just for effect, I don't know.
Loads of singers don't sing with their natural voices, sometimes it's precisely for effect; just look at the British invasion! For the longest time I thought Mick Jigger was a poor black guy from the delta.
Interesting fact about Procul Harems "Whiter shade of pale", it was based on Bach's pieces "Cantata 140 (Sleeper's Awake) and "Air for 6 string"
Fagen's site being down can only mean one thing; it's being populated with updates!
Peace
A
Posted by: Mad Man Across the Water, ---
Tones - aha:
And you ain't seen nothing/Until you've been in/A motel baby/Like the Holiday Inn.
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniI find it strange that donaldfagen.com is still down. You would think they could update the site without it being down for more than a day. I just hope it comes back with audio clips!!! ;)
Posted by: Clas, ---
I Drove The Chrysler - he probably meant the early demos, such as Barrytown and Any World etc... horrible.
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Of course Dias is right saying the voicings are so spread open it's hard to play on a guitar, almost any piano voiced chord is hard playing on a guitar.
Dias point was that Becker/Fagen wrote a rocksong almost impossible to play on a guitar. And he meant the song Aja, which is an exception.
I have no problem playing mu-chords on the guitar.
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Tones - getting a room?
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Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, PAAlkali: The thing is, Fagen, like many of us who grew up in the SUBURBS of a big city, never developed (or even just plain rejected) the ubiquitous spoken accent of that city. Listen to any interview with Donald or Walter--neither has a New Yawk accent.
And they don't SING with a NY accent either--I always suspected DF's vocal delivery must sound charming and amusing to British SD fans--notice how D ALWAYS pronounces with a hard Middle-American "r" in any word with that letter in the middle of it--"Shark DeVille" for example.
Re Chuck Rainey: Listening to the Steely Dan outtakes, "Black Cow" in particular,it is really very hard to understand how Rainey claimed SD's demos for AJA sounded like "punk-rock." No, they don't. Methinks CR is mistaking PRODUCTION for songwriting. Curious.
Posted by: FP, down on Green StreetDr Mu and PH---
I've seen debates about what "Cheaters" refer to in the song Everyone's Gone to The Movies many times before. I've personally known that "Cheaters" have meant underwear since I was about 5 years old. Now,if Mr. Lapage is inviting little kids back to his pad to watch some dirty 8mm films, isn't quite obvious that he want them to take of their underwear? "Take off you glasses and sit right down"? Ridiculous. It's black & white. Cheater in the song refers to underwear...case closed
Posted by: Girlfriend, wake me up when the..They got the news...
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http://nudeasthenews.com/ (see What's on our record player)
Also, tantalizing blurb on Carlock's site that says audio clips coming soon!
Posted by: B, NYPh,
Keep in mind when listening to Robin Trower's work that ALL THAT SOUND is coming from bass, guitar, and drums ONLY! Pretty phenominal when you consider that.
B
Posted by: B, NYPh,
Trower is more along the lines of Jimi Hendrix. I've been a big fan of Robin Trower since the 70's. Robin was the guitarist for Procol Harem in the late 60's/early 70's before heading out on his own. "Bridge of Sighs" is a great album. One of my fav's back in the day was "Long Misty Days". If you can find this cd, give the title track a listen, it's a beautiful song, it has a strange grinding quality to it that only Trower could pull off. I place VERY FEW guitarists on the level of Robin Trower. Anyone who could sucessfully pick up from where Hendrix left off is someone to be respected.
Peace,
B
Posted by: tones, neither Netherlands nor netherworld...Clas/Mu - would you two just get a room?
Hey KD... good to read your're digging 11ToW. Don't forget to check out the 13th ToW, "Medical Science" on Metzger's page if you haven't already. That one sticks with me for days. I think it would have been the best song on the album.
Just wanted to wish a belated Happy New Ones to the steely blue.
steely peace
t
Posted by: Doc Mu, love'em'tiltheyrunforcoverC: Dude, you're just digging yourself in deeper and deeper...
Not only do I ya prig @#*&hole.. Mu major = major triad + 2nd = 1st + 2nd + maj 3rd + 5th
I just played a C-maj-mu on our upright. There! C-D-E-G voicing. Can't you hear it???
Went to the site of Howard Wright
Learned to play mu chords
All day and niiiiiiight
I'll serve up your crow
You can eat it right here
Oh, but zombie see and zombie do
No frets for me and you
http://www.jmdl.com/howard/steelydan/mu-major.html
http://www.steelydan.com/compuserve.html
Boy, YOU just don't get it. A mu chord is EASY to play on PIANO or Rhodes. But it's a bitch on guitar according to Denny Dias. Can't touch this...
"Hi! I'm really glad to be writing this part of the music book because
it took me years and years to get the hang of these funny chords and I figure
I can save a lot of people a lot of time. The reason it took me so long is
because I had to figure it out for myself. Walter knows some of these chords
but always seems to have his hand on the wrong fret or something, and Donald
is, as my girlfriend Debbie puts it, "the worst guitar player I ever heard."
So they wouldn't be much help. These mu major chords aren't easy to play on
the guitar, believe me, but once I realized that my playing wouldn't really
cook with the band until I could play them, without thinking, in all the keys
and in any position, I got my stuff together pretty fast. "
http://andymetzger.com/archive/archive3.php?id=167
"Longtime Dan guitarist Denny Dias reminisces about playing on “Aja” saying, “there's clusters (of notes) so close together that you can't stretch your fingers out enough to get all the notes at the same time. There are open voicings that are so wide apart that you can't reach all the notes.”"
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=15074
pH: Truly a creepy song over a sunny melody - typical Dan.
Cheaters = slang for sunglasses, glasses, or teen female underwear. Could be taking sunglasses coming out from a bright LA day to one of those dark, wood-paneled dens. Or a near sighted kid takes them off to see the 8mm film on a small projection screen just a few feet away sitting on that shag carpet.
Porno or XXX films in the 60s and 70s used cheap 8mm film. The number and units refer to the (width of the acetate. the wider the film, the better the film quality. 16mm for Bad B movies or some foreign films. 35 mm is Hollywood standard and 70 mm for high quality prints like Lawrence of Arabia or Disney's Sleeping Beauty.
18 - let's see this stuff before you're legal
What was once taboo is now Michael Jackson...
EVERYONE'S GONE TO THE MOVIES
Kids if you want some fun
Mr. LaPage is your man
He's always laughing, having fun
Showing his films in the den
Come on, come on
Soon you will be eighteen
I think you know what I mean
Don't tell your mama
Your daddy or mama
They'll never know where you been
CHORUS:
Everyone's gone to the movies
Now we're alone at last
Listen to what I say
He wants to show you the way
Right down the hallway with open arms
To teach you a new game to play
Come on, come on
Soon it will be too late
Bobbing for apples can wait
We know you're used to sixteen or more
Sorry we only have eight
CHORUS
Kids if you want some fun
See what you never have seen
Take off your cheaters and sit right down
Start the projection machine
CHORUS
Raj: I kinda like Conquistador.
I STILL hae no idea what Whiter Shade of Pale means - is that last verse right? Might as well be Chinese or Swedish...
Posted by: Rajah , I beg your pardonWe skipped the light fandango
turned cartwheels 'cross the floor
I was feeling kinda seasick
but the crowd called out for more
The room was humming harder
as the ceiling flew away
When we called out for another drink
the waiter brought a tray
And so it was that later
as the miller told his tale
that her face, at first just ghostly,
turned a whiter shade of pale
She said, 'There is no reason
and the truth is plain to see.'
But I wandered through my playing cards
and would not let her be
one of sixteen vestal virgins
who were leaving for the coast
and although my eyes were open
they might have just as well've been closed
She said, 'I'm home on shore leave,'
though in truth we were at sea
so I took her by the looking glass
and forced her to agree
saying, 'You must be the mermaid
who took Neptune for a ride.'
But she smiled at me so sadly
that my anger straightway died
If music be the food of love
then laughter is its queen
and likewise if behind is in front
then dirt in truth is clean
My mouth by then like cardboard
seemed to slip straight through my head
So we crash-dived straightway quickly
and attacked the ocean bed
Posted by: ph, the hoopiest froodWell, Procol Harum->flaming da bozoz hereon->Douglas Adams, I suppose that makes sense in some sort of weird and completely nonsense way. But that's the way he is, I guess.
From the descriptions here, I'm getting the vibe that I can expect something similar to Pink Floyd? Yes? No? I'm a moron?
I also am apt to reject "soon you will be a teen". Just doesn't set well, at all. Is that alternate used on tour or something? I suppose that would make sense with the "Manhood and/or womanhood" narration bit. And BTW, in my asinine opinion, doing a duet between Becker and Fagen on Movies was pure genius!!
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Posted by: Dimension Skipper, The 5th Dimension?Hmmm... I suppose another possibility for the current (non-)state of DF.com is that Donald has had second thoughts and decided not to release the project after all. Or maybe a technician accidentally erased "H Gang."
All this uncertainty is enough to make me turn to drugs...
Panexa. Ask your doctor for a reason to take it.
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Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Soon you will eighteen, I think you know what I mean.
Well she was just seventeen, you know what I mean.
There is precedent.
I have to reject the alternate reading of, "soon you will be a teen," that's just ghoulish, monstrous, and not fun or funny as is said.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCI love "Bridge of sighs"
I once read somewhere that Robin Trower showed Hendrix a couple of things on the guitar.
Trower had this great string bending technique that almost sounded like voice.
of the 70's guitar heroes that came primarily out of Britain, Trower was probably the least popular; probably because he wasn't in a superstar group like the others.
and no, i'm not an old hippie, just someone who loves that 60's-70's sound.
The sun don't shine
The moon don't move the tides,
to wash me clean
Sun don't shine
The moon don't move the tides,
to wash me clean
Why so unforgiving and why so cold
Been a long time crossing Bridge of Sighs
Trower, Derringer, Gallagher and Marriot put out a book a few years back.
although i've not read it.
A
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?ph- I always hear 'start the projection machine', but whatever Fagen says, it doesn't matter too much-either way, mr Lapage is a whacking great paedophile. I've said it before on the blue and it looks like I've said it again. Just what films IS he playing on his projection machine. What fun will he have with the innocent kids. If Mu is right (which I am dure he is) 8mm tape in the seventies would be as good as saying 'porno' on its own.
As for the spams-why do you guys have to pick on this lovely little page, along with several other sites?
At least TRY and write s amrt little note to go with www.uselesscrap.com/junk/trash/z reapeated a hundred times.
Please put links to your half assed ads somewhere else and you can have a virtual muffin.
Posted by: Rajah , ph - Even more than I like flaming da bozoz hereon, I like listening to Grette's copy of a Robin Trower vinyl, Long Misty Days, engineered by Geoff Emerick of latter-day Beatles fame. Guitars sound like Tull circa Acqualung, BTW Brits, where is or was Air London Studios?
The self-titled Procol Harum record boasts what many consider the first true psychedelic song, 'Whiter Shader of Pale,' plus the bombastic, 'Conquistador,' a better tune than 'To Dream the Impossible Dream' but not by much.
Posted by: Whoosh, Salty DogNo reason other than most middle aged ex-hippies know who Robin Trower is. Bridge of Sighs is one of the all time classic albums. Check his site.
Posted by: ph, 18. why?
Posted by: Whoosh, Salty DogGet the Robin Trower albums Bridge of Sighs and For Earth Below if you wanna know about Procul Harum. What are you, 16?
Posted by: ph, sorry to double post, but has anybody heard of Procol Harum? are they any good?
i just read douglas adam's posthumanly published book "The Salmon Of Doubt", and it sounds like he's their biggest fan. being that i'm douglas adams' biggest fan, i thought i should check this band out. is the greatest hits CD worth buying?
Posted by: ph, still boredcheaters==glasses
and so why would you take your glasses off to watch a movie, and an 8mm one at that? stop the movie, take off your glasses, we're gonna have some fun, etc...
i'm digging the piano intro. there's a couple good piano solos on Katy, actually.
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Posted by: Alkali, NYCWell, the lyric page tells us that it's "Start", i believe it.
why would you "take off your cheaters and sit right down" if you weren't getting ready to view something?
it's that NYC accent of Fagen's that's throwing you, the "r" is silent.
BTW, don't you just love that piano run that starts the solo out?
it runs down the hill and seems to skid to a stop on the bottom!
can't wait for Fagen's tour!
A
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. Belzonidonaldfagen.com is still down. I got to think that there is a massive update coming!
And to all those who continue to spam this board with junk....just stop. No one here wants to be bothered with this stuff. Your english is lousy and it makes your peddling of products that much worse....just do us all a favor and stop!!! No pills, no gadgets, nothing. Just stop!
Posted by: ph, boredEveryone's Gone To The Movies: Just listening to it right now, really loudly, and even though the lyrics say "Start the projection machine", I distinctly hear Fagen singing "Stop the projection machine". Whats up with that? "Stop" Makes more sense, but with "Start" used, the intentions of this pedophile are even further masked. Comments? Am I just hearing things?
Posted by: C, ---
Wadenius muted picking is all over Kama, he's not slamming chords like a Springsteen or a Steve van Zandt. Could might as well be written down, but wasn't, Wadenius got free hands doing the rythm guitars.
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Posted by: Clas, ---
I don't agree. Phillinganes was called in to play 'cause he was Phillinganes. If everything was arranged and set, why didn't Fagen play the piano himself? And what do you mean with "sustain pattern"? Could it be Sustain Pedal?
The solo on Ruby Baby was Phillinganes own improvisation.
And just to show how little you know about music and the musical circuits, you're calling the mu-chord "dreaded". Becker "tortured the guitarplayers with the dreaded mu-chord". What's so dreadful about the mu-chord? You don't know what a mu-chord is.
Fagen had a Hired Hand notating the stuff he thought was important to be notated. End of story.
---/CL
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http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/ifmdock/index.php
Posted by: Doc Mu, ourfriendinSwedenisclearlymistakenClas: I realize English is your second language but when Gre Phillangenes says "everything" means EVERY THING. Listen to that piano solo and work on Maxine. Awesome stuff - and not simply a series of chords: "... THE RESTS, WHEN TO PRESS THE SUSTAIN PATTERN. He wants you to do it all verbatim. But I was still able to put my personality in there." We've seen a xerox copy of a notated chart by Fagen ca. 1979 - wasn't pretty. Carlton's handwriting is awesome for Aja (see Making of Aja). On Nightfly, Carlton dropped by just two weekends for his guitar parts. I don't think Fagen wrote out rhythm guitar for Kama, Century's End - why? that's working over chords - darn sure doesn't sound like note for note stuff like the keyboard.
Based on numerous inteviews Gaucho and Aja and Nightfly were more written out then other albums. Even then much was still worked out or even ad libbed or done by feel in the studio (ex. guitar solo on Peg). Those they trusted (Jeff Porcaro) got more freedom then others. But as Rick Marotta stated, they drove the musicians crazy with their anal ways.
*Your original question was NOT whether Donald Fagen and Steely Dan wrote all charts and came into the studio like the Guy Lombardo Orchestra, but your contention was that Donald Fagen couldn't read and write music... or notate at all! "Fagen wasn't able to notate a one line bassline." *
With Walter - I really don't know. It *might* be possible he did or did not read and write music for awhile in the 70s. I have not seen enough evidence to make a determination. My *guess* is that he COULD, but didn't write much out. He obviously KNEW all the chords, the voicings and what he was looking for in a guitar solo. Walter certainly tortured Dias and other guitar players with the dreaded MU chords. By the 80s and his production work with China Crisis and Wyndham Hill and to a lesser extent Rickie Lee Jones, he had to...
I think we've all agreed and this is in 2 of my recent posts, and the liner notes say so, that Steely Dan was a *collaborative effort* between Walter and Donald and some musicians helping to write LEGIBLE charts. Still the SOUND and END RESULT is always STEELY DAN. It also is true that Donald & Walter had certain things in mind, but also experimented in the studio to find a sound that "was happenin'" for song. Often charts were transcribed for neatness before computer programs cause it a pain in the **s. Bernhardt also helped write out the charts for the 90s AiA tours.
This matter should be CLOSED. Peace out.
PQ: soooo....Just what ARE you talking about? Aja's NOT the first time Dan implemented horns into their stew. Charts like Home at Last we've heard before (Caves) and after (Sign in Stranger - AiA), but if you are referring to the film noir LA cool jazz of Deacon Blues then yes that completely new. Enough of a large jazz band ensemble sound (like the 90s tours) was happenin' so that written charts became more necessary.
www.donaldfagen.com is still cookin' !!
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/C
Posted by: Clas, ---
Bill - I am not trying to diminish their songwriting and musicianship abilities. I love Steely Dan.
I just want to point out that it is a misconception that guys like Fagen and Becker comes prepaired to the studio with written charts, like "all is set to go". They don't. They hire guys that knows how to notate sax charts, trombone parts, chord-voicings etc etc. At least they did before the midi sequencers came and they could build a model of the song digitally.
I am not saying thosed hired guns COMPOSED the music for Christs sake!
And Bill, Jeff Young played with Fagen on The Rock'n'Soul gigs, he is saying in an interview that before the concerts he sat down with Fagen and arranged the music. Sounds to me like Fagen wanted Jeff Young nearby for his notation skills.
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And apropos Jeff Young, he's done a couple of album that's not out on the market, I emailed him a couple of years ago, got his address, sent him dollars and got two CD's from him. Mucho Hammond rock, great voice, pretty good.
Damn, now I am tired, I could use a cigarrette. Pjuhhh...
So, at last, peace Mu, and happy holidays.
Are there still holidays over there?
---/Clas
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Posted by: SS, Where your decorations are madeSo, a nine piece band. Nine counting/not counting DF ?
If it's nine including DF....
bass/drums/guitar(x2)/keys (x2, including DF)/sax/trumpet/trombone...
Does nine-piece include backing singers ?
Posted by: Must be..., waitingthinking you're right ????
it is time...
Posted by: ????, ????DF.com update brewing? I just tried to access DF.com and get a 404 object not found error. Could mean absolutely nothing, but I can't help hoping it's a sign of a pending significant update regarding Morph. Just have to wait and see.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Make Points Not ChallengesMeaning that I have? Jeez, why not just say that you want people to take sides. You clearly have not read the part about me only trying to make a point.
Posted by: JACK SQUAT could eat no fat , his wife could eat no leanClas is smarter then you because he has not water on the brain
Posted by: Got it now, Hoops does selective erasingdumdan.com
If he wants Rajah to get some he leaves some up.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Doc Mu, you outsmart me every time, although Blues beach and other SD songs still use digital techniques that need little or no notation.
Point for Clas is that digital music can sound brilliant, and nothing needs to be written down.
Point (hopefully for the last time) made.
Posted by: Doc Mu, The Hon. Lordship: Blues Beach is an analog recording. Fagen had an old Apple Quadra which disintegrated while finishing recording TvN.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Clas Notation discussion-Just to put my point on this notation stuff, one of Steely Dans best (in my opinion) songs, blues beach, is apparently almost entirely digitial, and the only non-digi bit is fagens voice (which will also have been digitially remastred on the studio version). This means that JACK SQUAT was probably written down, every last vibe you hear will have been shifted and flopped about on Fagens cubase system or whatever he uses.
Musicians all over the computerized world create music without writing a jot down, because you can hardly acheive anything from notating some funny lines on a computer screen.
There, point made by the digi-freak
Posted by: Doc Mu, ImosthumblybegtodifferClas: That's some serious backpedalling after posting what is really IMO libelous material and insinuations. Face it. Fagen can read and write the stuff - these TYPES of recordings don't happen otherwise. Certainly there was a lot of collaboration and important contribution of many musicians who contribute charts of their own design and transcribed to those Steely recordings. But notice none of the fine session players can reproduce Steely Dan, although Jeff Porcaro's on record in Metal Leg that Carlton lifted some of the Gaucho sessions for 335. Why not W&D lifted a little Silver, a little Jarrett...I'm sorry that it make you feel better to slam Donald...
Bill: Fagen has mellowed alot supposedly, particularly in concert. He and Walter ENCOURAGED Jon Herington to put his own voice in the Kid C solo, and NO play verbatim the Carlton's take night in and night out. The re-arrangment of most of the songs on Tours and AiA are testament to loosening and trying something different.
PQ: Caves of Altamira on Royal Scam is certainly a full horn orchestra. Nice sax solo by John Klemmer on that one. Title track - magic by the Findley Bros on muted trumpet. Night by Night gets the full horn section treatment also. Throw Back the Little Ones has some nice horns. Sign in Stranger. Pretzel Logic too. Major jumpin' SAX/horn orchestra in My Old School. East St. Louis Toodle-oo has Fagen on sax and Walter on Wah-wah doing the horn part of the Ellington tune. Bodhisattva features guitars doing the horn part of a jumpin' swing tune with a rockbottom bass.
Night By Night:
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitars: Skunk Baxter (solo)
Walter Becker
Clavinet: David Paich
Percussion: Victor Feldman
Sax: Plas Johnson, Ernie Watts
Trumpet: Ollie Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Clarinet: Jerome Richardson
Backing Vocals: Tim Schmit, (Sherlie Matthews, Carolyn Willis, Myrna Matthews?? – uncredited)
Pretzel Logic:
Drums: Jim Gordon
Bass: Wilton Felder
Guitar: Walter Becker (solo)
Piano: Michael Omartian
Fender Rhodes: Donald Fagen (left channel), Michael Omartian (right channel)
Sax: Plas Johnson
Trumpet: Ollie Mitchell
Trombone: Lew McCreary
Backing vocals: Donald Fagen, Tim Schmit
Throw Back the Little Ones
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Walter Becker. Elliott Randall
Piano: Michael Omartian
Synthesizer: Donald Fagen
Horns: Jimmie Haskell, Bill Perkins
Caves of Altamira:
Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Walter Becker
Piano: Donald Fagen
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson, Jim Horn
Solo Sax: John Klemmer
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit
Sign in Stranger:
Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Chuck Rainey
Guitars: Elliot Randall, Walter Becker, Denny Dias (outtro)
Piano: Paul Griffin
Trumpet: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Plas Johnson
Backing Vocals: Donald Fagen, Timothy B. Schmit
Royal Scam:
Drums: Bernard Purdie
Bass: Walter Becker
Guitar: Larry Carlton
Piano: Donald Fagen
Organ: Paul Griffin
Fender Rhodes: Don Grolnick
Percussion: Victor Feldman (blocks, tambourine)
Dueling muted trumpets: Chuck Findley, Bob Findley
Trombone: Slyde Hyde
Sax: Jim Horn, Plas Johnson
Backup Vocals: Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Sherlie Matthews
Posted by: Bill, just one more time...Look Clas, it's like this. Fagen is going out on tour in 06'. He hires Jeff Young to tour with him. Now do you really think that Fagen is going to say to Jeff... "Okay Jeff, I've written down every last note I want you to play. Play it exactly like this.". OF COURSE NOT! Do you think Jeff was born yesterday? Do you think that Jeff can't listen to the music and notate it or remember it for himself? Of course he can. All Fagen is going to do is insist that Jeff perform it like he hears it on the cd. Fagen is going to give the instrumentalist the credit for knowing what to do. He isn't going to spoon feed him the information, which would probably insult a world class player anyway.
Along the same vien... If you hire a well known construction contractor to build you a house do you sit there and tell the contractor EXACTLY how to use his tools? Hell no, you're simply going to hand the contractor the blueprints and expect that he knows what to do. So basically I think you're misunderstanding Fagen and Becker's respect for the artists they've hired to perform a specific job for them. After all, they're hiring some of the best people in the business/art and these people know instictively what to do to fulfill thier requirements. They don't need Fagen and Becker to spell it out for them. They can listen to the songs and figure it out for themselves. Fagen and Becker give them credit for knowing that, so why aren't you?
Posted by: Bill, Earth to Clas. Come in Clas, over.Yeah so? What's your point? It's the end product that counts right? What's the difference whether they can or can't? Like you said before, there are software programs that can do most of it now anyway so why waste good artistic production time on notation?
It just seems like you're trying to diminish thier songwriting and musicianship abilities based on something that is fairly trivial that's all...
Posted by: C, ---
Bill, I am saying they are not able to write the charts. They are COMPOSING THE MUSIC but are unable to notate it.
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Posted by: DWB-WB=?, NYCrumor has it DWB has no real interest in Morph.
Maybe even counter-insurgency?
She's got the news, alright.
Smile for the camera, and don't run away into the catacombs of the arena.
Is this really your ballgame?
Posted by: Sigmund Fraud, this is gonna cost ya'It's like this Clas...
God makes the beautiful sunrise. It's somebody else's job to describe what it looks like.
Got it?
Posted by: Classless, GlobalYah, Jimi Hendrix, another notationally illiterate fellow who sucks - yah, right
So, Clas is you little boytoy Jackson Brown a music writing genius in ANY sense of the word: Answer- NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Climb back in yer bottle, mate
Posted by: Sigmund Fraud, that ain't no way to have funI don't get it Clas, some of the finest music in history has been made by people who were notationally illiterate. What does writing music or arranging music have to do with making GOOD MUSIC? If the two go together then why hasn't Rainey or any of the other notationally educated musicians made it big on thier own? I mean if they could do it for Steely Dan certainly they could do it for themselves right?
You see there's more to making music, MUCH MORE, than just being able display the finished product on paper. 98.25 percent of music is performance based, everything else comes after that. The only thing a musician starts with is the basic chord structure and tempo, everything else flows from that. After these two areas are nailed down you can start to improvise with instrumentation but writing it all down is THE LAST thing most musicians do. That's usually left till after the fact, and many musicians never actually do it themselves, they leave it to a someone trained in notation to do it.
So I guess the question is... How does being gifted in music notation make you a great musician? From my perspective the two are not necessarily inclusive. If Fagen and Becker can't (or won't) write charts it makes no difference whatsoever. It's the music that counts in the end, and you're ability to make it. Right?
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Nightfly Live- Everyone should give a flying f**k about everyone elses opinions on a happy, intelligent discussion page like this, or at the least should NOT diss them. We are all here to gain something, not to bitch slap those who do not deserve it.
And another point, there is no such thing as a shit-hole country, and if every country Fagen doesn't tour was shit hole country, the world would be one heck of a toilet.
On another, lighter posting-i was thinking the other day about the possibility of a SD, Fagen Or Becker Christmas Single. 'Jazz Funk Christmas' maybe?
It would be hard for them to do a Christmas song without seeming corny (almost all Christmas singles are corny, especially Merry Christmas Everyone. Merry Christmas War Is Over is brilliant though), but it's a possibility for 2006...
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Posted by: C, ---> Just one thing I missed:
"RD: Fagen's harmonies and chord changes are usually rather complex.
GP: Yeah. He writes it all out to every breath. He is intense, but he's a sweetheart."
That's the chords Mu, Phillinganes's not talking charts.
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Posted by: Clas, ---
CLASS - it's easier for a MUSICIAN to arrange horns nowdays, with help from a sequencer. I didn't say that the ordinary guy who owns a guitar or two are able to do it.
Mu - Fagen had people writing out the charts for him, Omartian, Carlton... you can't be serious saying an unschooled "pianist" could notate brass and horns, which is the hardest thing to do, with different clefs etc etc... when he couldn't write out an easy oneliner for C Rainey.
On TVN and EMG I don't know, it was probably that trumpet player, Leonhart, who wrote the horncharts, following Fagens instructions.
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No more on this. I know what I know, and if dr Mu wanna spend his time in denial, flying blind, fine.
---CL/\S
Posted by: morphing Emily Post, here...& beyondThere's no excuse for bad spelling...or bad manners.
You heard it here.
Posted by: Ha, ...PQ-- DWB = LT
Posted by: PQ, NYCI wouldn't mess with DWB, she's got the news.
Posted by: DWB, ToonlandOh, that. Sorry, sheer speculation on my part, plus a glance at a crystal ball. Seeing Who Framed Roger Rabbit? must have taken the better part of me. If there is one. A better part. BUT seriously....... It's simple calculations, if musicians mention the fact they're going on tour with DF, it's only logic more people know about it and talk about it with people they know etc etc etc etc. Must be the same with the new disc, which means a LOT if not a fortune to the people on this good board, but for others it's just business, an article to write about, a press release etc etc. So, it could very well be true that one of those people has a kidlet who by accident heard it and decided to load it onto his mp3 player because it sounds so nice when exercising one of his skating routines. And then some thug grabs the mp3 player, likes what he hears and before you know it, they're rubbing backs and massage oil on greasy underworld characters in obscure parts of Russia, Uzbekistan and Iran while listening to Mary, Mona and a cat morphing. By the time the disc reaches the good people of this board, it's already old news in countries we think are way behind compared to our so called sophisticated society.
Now who's next in this X-Mas Truth or Dare..........?
Posted by: FP, down on Green StreetDWB--Fagen has already mentioned that he's not a fan of "Luke" /Steve Lukather . I guess not all dreams come true.
"oh and if you only knew how many sources there are floating about, how many hearts were crossed and how many people hoping not to die within the next 24 hours for spilling the beans".
Being a bit cryptic don't ya think? No we don't know. Fill us in.
Posted by: DWB, Sitting Duck Morgue"shit-hole country", well, that's an intelligent remark! NOT.
What Hoops says, or asked.
R E S P E C T.
oh and if you only knew how many sources there are floating about, how many hearts were crossed and how many people hoping not to die within the next 24 hours for spilling the beans. don't hear their conscience acting up........ did I hear anything? was I privileged? IS it truly a privilege or a curse?
rumor has it 2 collapsed already. for they forsake to close the curtains...........
it's an illness. Willem Dafoe used the word "morphistication" the other day.
I think he's in on the conspiracy. It was a sign. Him being Bobby Peru in "Wild At Heart".
It's a sign. Mock the Turtle, Myrthel.
Greg P. is now the keyboardist for TOTO, by the way.
And Luke/Steve Lukather still has this dream of wanting to share the stage with Donald Fagen and Walter Becker. An accomplished musician in his own right, and Steely Dan's like Avalon in the Mists for him................
Posted by: The Nightfly Live?, WOW!Girlfriend- Who gives a flying F*&k!!
Thanks Pete!
MARCH TOUR!!!
Hey clASS you drunk skunk. You must be happy that one of Jackson Brown's sideman is playing with DF. Go have a drink because he ain't touring your shit-hole country!
VIVA AMERICA!!
Posted by: hoops, Thanks for the news , Peter! After Austin Scagg's RS writings about the tour in March, it's great to have more details. Thanks.
A couple of things. A minority of you need to moderate and modulate your intensity (i.e. nastiness). It's not what you some of you say but how you say it. The musicians past, present, future, etc need to be treated with respect or I will not lend my time, money, reputation and efforts to provide a forum for a minority of you guys to be rude and talk about people that in various ways through the years have brought us much. I'm not saying you can't talk about misfortunes, weakness or write without criticism, but it has to be in a way is respectful and at least half way dignified. I am really ashamed that some of these posts appear on the board that I pay for and spend a good deal of time facilitating.
jim
Posted by: Girlfriend, editingWell, you'd think Mr. Young could spell Fagen's name right, at least.
Tsk, tsk.
Posted by: Josie's friends & enemies, RomeWe're gonna break out the hats and hooters when Donald comes home - in March! (apparently)- yow!
Posted by: Doc Mu, Thanks Pete!
Posted by: Pete, NYCHi....Happy Holidays and have a great New Year....see you on the road in '06
From http://www.jeffyoungmusic.com/
"Jeff Young will be touring the U.S. with Donald Fagen starting March 2006 to supports Donald's upcoming CD release. Jeff worked with Donald in the early 90's as a member of the New York Rock & Soul Revue live recording. Jeff will be part of a nine piece band,playing keyboards and singing backing vocals on songs like IGY, Maxine, The Nightfly and Ruby Baby"
Posted by: Things that make you want to go,hmmm, NYCChuck Rainey did not sell his platinum(they were not gold) RIAA awards on ebay. Someone bought out the contents of a storage unit that Chuck had left past due. In the U.S. it is standard fair that if you fail to make payment on a storage unit past 60 or so days, the storage company can take over your things and sell them to recoup costs.
The two platinum awards (Aja & Greatest Hits) that you saw on ebay were purchased by a third party and sold on ebay without Chuck's knowledge or consent.
Posted by: Doc Mu, just another spasm C: (a) that wasn't me
(b) YOU just brought up the A stuff, not me
(c) Hardly, I've posted in the past direct quotes from Gary Katz who stated that Fagen wrote write out some rough lead sheets for the 70s albums (many were transcribed by others) and Don Grolnick, who stated Donald had written out much of the Gaucho sessions
(d) PLUS
Greg Phillinganes
"Greg Phillinganes, the keyboardist noted for his work with Stevie Wonder and Eric Clapton also brought some nice touches to "The Nightfly'.' In fact, Greg's solo album "Pulse" featured the catchy Fagen composition "Lazy Nina.'' Greg recently talked to Robert L. Doerschuk in the August issue of "Keyboard.'' In the following excerpt, Phillinganes discusses some studio tricks he used and learned during "The Nightfly" sessions with Fagen.
Robert Doerschuk: Is there an example of a tune on which you recorded a solo that you developed from a melodic motif?
Greg Phillinganes: Well, there's the solo I did for Donald Fagen on "Ruby Baby." I started it off by playing "You Really Got Me" from the Kinks, and developed it from that.
RD: That came from the lyrics, with Fagen singing about this girl?
GP: Yeah. You've got to give it some meaning. That's a trick I learned from listening to a lot of soloists, like Charlie Parker: They would steal from other tunes, take melodies and put 'em anywhere. (Saxophonist) James Moody is brilliant for that too.
RD: Did you do the solo in one take?
GP: It was in two takes. The first time I played it, I had the basic idea. But I messed up at the end, so I did another take and fixed the second part.
RD: Fagen's harmonies and chord changes are usually rather complex.
******GP: Yeah. HE WRITES IT ALL OUT to every breath. He is intense, but he's a sweetheart.******
RD: If you were doing "Ruby Baby" with Fagen at a live gig, how would you get into that solo? Since its beginning is so familiar to so many people...
GP: That's why I would probably play it at the beginning the way I recorded it.
RD: Can you think of a keyboard bass line you've played that might fool listeners into thinking they were hearing a bass guitar?
GP: "Walk Between The Raindrops," from Donald Fagen's "Nightfly" album. Don showed me a hip trick. I was elongating the notes a bit too much for him, so he said, "Put some space between them." You breathe after every note. That makes it sound more like an upright bass. To this day, I take that approach when the concept calls for that.
RD: What else did you get from Fagen?
GP: Just how to be really intense (laughs). He's very meticulous. I do things for him that I wouldn't do for anybody else, just because he's so bad. He believes in the highest possible quality.
RD: Were his sessions tough because they're so exacting?
****GP: They were, but I don't care. After the first couple of songs, he felt more comfortable with me and let me get away with a little more stuff. And I was thrilled to be working one-on-one with him. The first song we did was "I.G.Y.," and I loved playing that opening keyboard riff so much that I kept making mistakes on purpose so I could start it over (laughs).**** HE WRITES. EVERYTHING. ALL THE CHORDS, THE VOICINGS, THE RESTS, WHEN TO PRESS THE SUSTAIN PATTERN. He wants you to do it all verbatim. But I was still able to put my personality in there."****
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/17player.htm
PLUS Rick Marotta from a 1987 Modern Drummer article:
"...RM: When I work with Donald, he just plays and sings, and I play with him -- no bass, nothing. He puts the bass on afterwards. HE'LL EITHER SHOW IT TO ME ON PAPER, or he'll play it, or sometimes he'll play just the left hand and Greg Phillinganes will play the right hand part. I have to say a lot of people don't like to do these things the way I do them. My taste is different from other people's tastes. I know where my groove is going to be. If you want the time and the feel to happen, I can do it alone. If I play and then the bass player puts himself on top, it works. It will never not work."
Clas, stop looking for OTHER BITTER musicians to make your Conspiracy Theory points... where Rainey and Purdie wrote, arranged, and played every note...that was after they recovered from being the REAL Beatles!! GIVE IT UP!
Posted by: class, Clas, saying it's "easy" to write horn charts on a sequencer is analogous to saying it's "easy" to write using Microsoft Word or some similar writing program facilitator.
You still have to know HOW to write. No program/machine creates a genius or genius works. It's always been and always will be in the the mind of the beholder.
You DO like Steely Dan, don't you?
Posted by: Chrys, addendum, sameEzra Titus excepted, of course.
Posted by: Chrys at Christmas, SantalandAin't it agonizin' knowing that MORPH is out there, completed, ready to be heard, and for the vast unwashed majority of us, we ain't gonna hear the fuggen thing until, what, March or thereabouts--THREE TORTUOUSLY LONG MONTHS from now?
Sheesh...
Incidently, who ARE you cats who've heard it already, and how did that happen? What makes YOU so priveleged?
Posted by: Fife and Mr.Sam,, Baltimore,ehMerry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone! Hoping 2006 brings Peace, happiness, wellness and a tour to you all!
Best Wishes
Fife and Sam
Posted by: Clas, rollin' in the Snow..., ---
CLASS - it's easy to "write" horn-arr's if you're having a sequencer and a synth. That's how Fagen is doing it. Then a pro has to notate the stuff. And then you bring in the horn players, exchanging the synth-voices to the real stuff.
There are music-programmes who's able to print out partiture (charts) but those are pretty stiff and not reliable.
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Dr Mu - it's spelled Lundkvist.
---HA\PPY CHRISTMA\S!
Posted by: Thing that make you go, hmmmm, NYCClas, good find.
However, with all due respect to Mr. Rainey, that rendering doesn't hold water. Seen it with my own eyes.
Posted by: CLASS, Please don't quote one bass player's views-especially his.
Clas, who wrote the horn arrangements on 2vn and Everything?
Don't get cocky.
Posted by: Postmaster General, the recieving dept.Dear Mr. Lunqvist,
You're last post is being returned as "undeliverable". It seems that your post was somehow sent during the holiday season where USPS rules state that all posts must be uplifting and joyous. While the USPS understands your predicament, having to live half your life in the frozen tundra of Sweden, the rules must still be enforced. If you wish, you may re-submit your post after modifying it so as to leave the recipient with a happy and joyous feeling. Again, we understand your current geographic situation, and the lack of daylight and all, but we ask that you bear with us during this time of happiness and delight by refraining from being your normal cumudgeonly self.
Thank You For Your Cooperation During This Holiday Season,
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Posted by: Clas, ---
Ah, at the time for the Nightfly recordings Fagen wasn't able to notate a one line bassline, so don't tell me he was able to notate horn arr's.
At the wwwchuckrainey.com
“For one, in the past there were never any guest or on lookers in the studio while we were working, but this time there were two women just sitting there. The other thing was that Donald Fagen had no professional experience in writing out anything musical, he did not have that skill. If he, Walter or Gary had an idea they would just hum it. All the writing out of anything was done by someone who professional knew what they were doing, but here I find my successful educated self in the presence of someone attempting to impress his guest by doing something he could not.
After I finally figured out what he was trying to write, I showed him how easy it was to write it and asked him why didn't he just hum it like he always had in the past. I also told him he was wasting his time and mine. It was probably the first time I ever confronted him in that way and he probably didn't like it, especially in front of the guest. Anyway, we got through laying down 2 tracks and I went back to my hotel and called Gary and complained.
I don't remember if I went back the following day or not before going back to Boulder, but I do remember being professionally insulted by the whole trip.”
And attending a summer-semester at Berklee doesn't make you able to write out big band charts. My son's been there, he says it aint a MUST being able to read or write music at that school.
And why is it, always when you are cornered and running out of arguments, you're getting nasty and personal, bringing up my alcoholism and other stuff. Coward. Admit that you are and have been wrong about this, all the time.
Move on.
---CLA\S
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Perhaps Rajah if you would lay off the recreational and self medicating meds for a bit you would not feel the need to call everyone but your self a bitch. Projection is the game of choice in dandom la la land.
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Baby It's Cold OutsideWarmest Holiday Greetings to all of you out there in greater Dandom but especially to Those I Miss The Most:
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Q and Debbie...
Hat2Flat...
Broadway Steve...
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SueDave...
YGK...
Swoozie...
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Posted by: Little Wild One, on iceVery nice, Raj. I knew you could do it! But you missed the very obvious...to make the song our own, it must 'ere more be:
MERRY CHRISTMAS, DANDOM
That will help chase away some of my demons with the tune, (kind of like my friends here do for me on a regular basis in real life).
The usual time, then. And bring a holiday cheer tip to share.
Posted by: Gretchen, a Blue Christmas.....Compliments to my husband on his eloquent Christmas day greeting, I couldn't agree with him more. Merry Christmas, Rajah.
Just want to send holiday greetings to all, especially to Hoops for keeping this site running through thick and thin, the good, bad, and the ugly; to my dear friend Alan,and to SOH, LWO, Fife, Sam, Geoff, B'way Steve, Pete,and Shari, and my long lost friends from 2003 Toya, Honeybun, and Grippa, here's hoping we'll hear your voices again soon. Not to forget my "boyfriend" Steve and the Pretzel Logic Band, and to the entire Dr. Wu Band.
Also Merry Christmas to the Johnson Family, here's hoping the weather will cooperate more for our next reunion.
Happy New Year, too.
Looking forward to the Vernal Equinox, myself.
Love to see everyone in chat tonight....the usual time, 9ish EST?
Won't you join us, Donald and Walter?
G
Posted by: Doc , C: This is an old and dead issue...Look, I'm sorry Dr. Fagen picked Greg Phillenganes & Omartian to play on Nightfly instead of you...but it's really time to move on this Christmas. Mounsey and Katz are on record saying exactly the opposite in Fagen writing lead sheets. As Pete Fogel said there are numerous musicians with issues [hint]. Fagen took piano and played baritone in the school band, which necessitates reading music. Who wrote and how final charts were transcribed isn't as relevent as the core sound. Steely Dan was always a marriage between W&D and the musicians. Case in point - TvN sounds like it picked up where Gaucho left off in a sense with a completely different set of session folk.
Carlton, Mounsey, Scott, Rainey haven't been around for decades. Frankly I think Fagen's horn charts on Kamakiriad are at least as good as Aja and are the highlight of the album IMO...
Posted by: DF, WHY IS THERE A BASEBALL BAT SMASHING THE WINDSHIELD ON THE BACK OF 11TOW-(KAMAKIRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII???????????????????????)
PSEUDO-RETRIBUTION?
WHY IS DON'S HEAD REELING ON THE INSIDE JACKET OF 11TOW???????
PSEUDO-VINDICTIVE WALTER??????????
Posted by: DF, Iliumclas,mu,et al.:
You guys mentioned rhythm players-chuck rainey(who comes off sounding like one spiteful/unappreciative dude in that interview-YOU'RE MAINLY A BASS PLAYER (so be it a very good one),CHUCK) and georg speaking about rhythm charts, not horn parts.
Posted by: Rajah, Christmas BlueOnce upon a time there was a place called Blue. It was a place where some very unusual children came to play, not like many other playgrounds, there were no swings, no merry-go-rounds, no horses on springy-things. They came instead to talk about their favorite things, what they liked and disliked, how they saw the world they lived in. Until the mean children came. There weren't many of them but those that came to despoil the fun brought with them their tiny little black hearts, their ancient hurts, their secret sorrows that they could not keep inside and yet that they could not share. And so they tried to turn the playground into a cold and evil place, chasing many others away. All because of their own ignorance and selfishness fuled by the hurt inside that just wouldn't go away, because they really didn't want it to go away, it was all that they had, it was all that they knew. But there were a few very strong and brave children left who would not allow their Blue to become an angry, dark and deep purple place. And it was these children who bitch-slapped the deficient ones into submission, turning their little anuses inside out and ripping them new ones along the way. Some of the mean children went off to read books and learn how to share and returned to the Blue playground and were welcomed in. Others never ever did learn anything and they wasted away all alone in dark corners, clutching to their hurt like it was their only lifeline, never to know what it was like to play nicely again, never knowing the comfort and joy of having a friend.
Greeting cards have all been sent,
The Christmas rush is through.
But I still have one wish to make,
A special one for you...
Merry Christmas darlings,
We're apart, that's true.
But I can dream and in my dreams,
We're Christmasing on Blue.
Holidays are joyful,
Donald brings us something new, but...
Everyday is my Holiday,
When I'm near to you...
Morph the Cat draws so near,
Oh, I wish I could hear,
I wish it every day...
Foghat CDs on the fire
Fill me with desire
To see you and to say,
That I wish you Merry Christmas,
Happy New year too,
I've just one wish on this Christmas morn,
Do not diss the Blue,
Or we'll flame...your...privates...too.
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Posted by: Clas, ---
Read what Chuck Rainey says on his site: Becker/Fagen are unable to write charts or notate music.
And Georg Wadenius is saying, from Ginas Mizar 5 interview:
“C: The first thing you did for Fagen was the 'Bright Lights, Big City' soundtrack, Century's End. Did he give you charts to read or how did you work? You then were on his 'Kamakiriad' and toured with Steely Dan in 1994, which is documented on the 'Alive in America' CD. How would you now describe your 'encounters' with Donald Fagen & Walter Becker and being part of that Steely Dan experience, the tour? And did you stay in touch with them or the musicians from the tour or kept track of what they did since back then?
GW: I think that he might have scribbled down some chord changes, but that was about it.”
Read the interview at:
http://www.writingaffairs.com/mizar5/gw.html
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Posted by: Doc Mu, Tom Scott = 2nd gen. LA/West Coast jazz
Horn Charts:
CTE, PL, KL: horn arrangments = Jimmie Haskell
Royal Scam = Chuck Findley, Doanld Fagen, Walter Becker
Aja = Tom Scott
Gaucho - Tom Scott, Rob Mounsey
Nightfly = Donald Fagen, Rob Mounsey
Kamakiriad = Donald Fagen
Two Against Nature = Donald Fagen, Michael Leonhart
Everything Must Go = Donald Fagen
Posted by: Little Wild One, in the alto sectionFrom the "you run into Steely Dan in the most unusual places" department...
By way of explanation, after hearing the song "Merry Christmas, Darling" for the gazillionith time, I logged on to the Richard and Karen Carpenter website. (Not that I love the Carpenter's music, but Karen's vocals on that song always kind of haunt me, for reasons I won't go into.)
While browsing around, I found this from Richard in response to a fan's inquiry as to whether there are any artists on the charts today whose work he admires.
“I think Sting is really a talented fellow, but he’s been with us many a year, along with Steely Dan and U2. As for the new crop of artists, I’m not particularly impressed. Norah Jones is, at least, a genuine singer.”
Merry Christmas, Dandom! ......hmmmm.......
(this could be your cue, Raj)
Posted by: PQ, NYCDF it's pretty obvious you've never heard Tom Scott's better fusion albums like Flashpoint. Sorry dude, but his style of arranging horns is unmistakeable. Also, he introduces a mannerism on Aja that was previously unheard of on an SD album, do you know what it is?
Posted by: Boston Rag, Ho Ho HoHoops - Have a very merry Xmas! Thanks for another great year of hosting the Bluebook.
To all of Dandom - Happy Holidays and let's get ready to morph into a year of amazing new tunes and awesome live shows!
Pax,
Mark in Boston
Posted by: DF, please remember that although tom scott, rob mounsey, etal, may have written the final charts that end up on the music stands of the musicians, don and walt ALWAYS have the ultimate input concerning their sonic ramifications. tom scott arranged horns for paul mccartney in the past and you can be sure macca didn't sit down and collaborate w/ him. mccartney is a natural musician/composer- HE CANNOT READ CHARTS. even though he has put out some "classical" albums in various orchestra settings, HE DOES NOT ARRANGE THE HORN OR STRING PARTS. he hasn't a clue how to orchestrate music for multi-instrumental ensembles.
CONCERNING THE DAN-AGAIN: DONALD IS OUR MAN. HE'S THE GUY WHO NOT ONLY UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN/WITH THE COMPOSING/ARRANGING PROCESS, IF HE HIMSELF IS NOT ARRANGING IT (AS ON "2VN" AND "EVERYTHING" AND "KAMA") HE HE SCULPTED IT AS ON ALL THE OTHER SD ALBUMS!
DON'T FORGET: HE'S (DON'S)THE ONE WHO SPENT A SUMMER STUDYING COMPOSING/ARRANGING AT THE BERKLEE SCHOOL OF MUSIC.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCIt sounds like this reviewer and Carlin have been toking from the same pipe!
"..You know those yuppies that jog around their perfect neighborhoods with their over-bred dogs and walkmans listening to steely dan."
-George Carlin
"Put down this sports-utility vehicle of a record. As with the urban yuppie driver, the four-wheel drive is never activated."
-Brent DiCrescenzo
Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah everyone.
Peace on earth
A
Posted by: Ha!, ---
So what drives Steely Dan in their attention to sonic excellence?
"Either a cab or a hired sedan," replies Donald Fagen.
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Posted by: Oh ho..., ---
Check out http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug03/articles/steelydan.htm
and you will find out what a Ktistec Machine is.
---C\as
Posted by: Clas, ---
re the horns on the Aja album. Here's what's said on the cover of the vinyl:
HORNS ARRANGED AND CONDUCTED BY TOM SCOTT
Saxes/Flutes: Jim Horn, Bill Perkins, Wayne Shorter, Pete Christlieb, Plas Johnson, Tom Scott, Jackie Kelso.
Brass: Chuck Findley, Lou McCreary, Slyde Hyde.
RYTHM CHARTS PREPARED BY: Larry Carlton, Dean Parks and Michael Omartian in collaboration with the composers.
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On the Gaucho cover: Rob Mounsey has arranged the horns on Babylon Sisters and Time Out Of Mind. Tom Scott has arranged the horns on the rest of the songs.
Rythm Arrangements by Steely Dan with Rob Mounsey, Don Grolnick and Paul Griffin.
Italian translation: Victor di Suvero
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RL
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Posted by: Ann, BorneoSeasons Greetings to all of Dandom from Fantasy Island!!
Have a happy holiday whatever your religious or ethnic identity may be!!! It's time off work to relax and enjoy, so go with it!!
Ann
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYPQ, I thought Tom Scott only did the horn arrangement on Deacon Blues?
Posted by: Rajah, You beat us to it Ralph.
Posted by: Clas have a great Christmas, PQ, Cinque, Mu, Pam Patti Hearst and RajahPut a plug in it.
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Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniHappy Holidays everyone.
KDawg
Posted by: Pam, TVN review from pitchforkmedia.comSteely Dan
Two Against Nature
[Warner Bros.]
Rating: 1.6
If you are a die-hard Steely Dan fan from "back in the day," let me first congratulate you on figuring out how this whole "Internet" thing works. The computer commercials promise plug-in-and-surf, but there's always a glitch. At work you're too embarrassed to ask the young tech guys how the "web" works. They'd snicker before cranking The Fragile back up and turning back to their monitors. Never show inferiority to subordinates. So, you pony-tailed Jeep-drivers and terrier-walkers, I'm crawling inside your minds like "Reeling in the Years" did so many decades ago. I know you've held silly suspicions, if just for a moment, that your ponytail was perhaps pulling back your hairline. I know that this review might hurt your feelings. Here, play with this shiny silver Nokia while I chat with somebody else.
If you're a regular Pitchfork reader... why are you even curious about Steely Dan in 2000?! Only their 20 year absence gives them any press or assumed credibility. Unlike Chicago, Rush, or Cheap Trick they did not slip down a steep staircase of increasingly prosaic Prozac records. Steely Dan dodged the 80's and they didn't make a Woke Up with the Monster. One can imagine the hype Rush would receive in 2000 if they'd jumped 20 years from 1981's Moving Pictures straight to Test for Echo. This would not make Test for Echo a desirable album. For those worth risking it, extended absence makes for great publicity.
Some of the smoothest objects know to humankind include the buttock of a baby, the belly of an otter, Downy-laden terrycloth, Palmolive, and rose petals. Add to that list Two Against Nature. The lengthy, indistinguishable tracks could pass for a Daniel Lanois-produced collaboration between the Dave Matthews Band and Kenny G. This putrid bait lures both the smooth jazz aficionados and the hackysackers. "Fusion" is too caustic a verb, better suited for nuclear physics and Don Caballero. "Making pudding" better describes this genre blending.
"Jamming" sax solos glide over neutered, bassless funk. Glass guitar and percussion clink along steadily like a chorus of jangling Tag Heuers, automatic Lexus locks, popping Le Croix cans, clicking laptop covers, crystal Cristal toasts, and smacking Hollywood cheek-kisses. The same slow-bop pace is rigorously maintained. Vocals exhale so innocuously you have to hold a mirror up under the speaker to make sure it's alive. The credits list 13 producers (!) who tackle tasks such as "editing," "horn arranger," "consultant," "project manager," and-- most tellingly-- "copyist." This is less music than "production." 23 musicians took part in this album's design, four of which simply played "snare." At least at the end of "Wild Wild West" Will Smith destroys the giant, evil machine.
Music is more than craft and technique. Steely Dan's seams are hidden, the instruments are digitally lacquered, and the edges are buffed. 20 years have passed since Gaucho and Steely Dan seem content to completely ignore them. Amazingly, Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought and died so our generation could listen to something better. Okay, so they died of overdoses and car crashes. They still had soul. Keep up the good fight. Put down this sports-utility vehicle of a record. As with the urban yuppie driver, the four-wheel drive is never activated.
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Posted by: PQ, NYCThe horns on the Aja disc were arranged by Tom Scott; it is a marked difference from the horn arrangements on other Dan works. The LA Express was at its peak around that time. The horns on Aja sound like the way a horn player thinks.
Posted by: Rajah, No Respect at Xmas EvenSome people round here are not worthy to be on this board with so many of the good citizens. Not worthy to hear Donald's record you say? The folks on Blue are the backbone of his fanbase. What you reveal is nothing more than a petty and mean-spirited personality.
Baa Humbug beeaatch.
Posted by: Hutch, A Donald Fagen solo tour. I never thought I'd see it happen. This is truly fantastic news!
Wonder what the set lists will be like... so many great songs. I know I'd be perfectly satisfied to just hear the entire Nightfly album and then all of Kama. That's not too much to ask is it? And, of course, by the time I see the show I'm gonna want to hear all of Morph as well.
Since that probably won't happen how about an opening instrumental number by the band (like the last SD tour) and then DF strolls on stage, sits down at the Rhoads and they bounce right into New Frontier and the place goes crazy!
Personally if the rest went like this I'd be delighted:
The Nightfly (of course)
Green Flower Street
Springtime
Snowbound
Century's End
Dr Wu
Ruby Baby
Walk Between the Raindrops
Pretzel Logic
Trans Island Skyway
Tomorrow's Girls
Countermoon
Maxine
Here at the Western World
The Second Arrangement (Sorry, I couldn't resist)
True Companion
Florida Room
King of the World
On the Dunes
The Goodbye Look
I.G.Y.
"Good night everybody, and drive safely"!!
Of course Morph tunes will be in there too.
Man, I can't WAIT to hear this new album.
Posted by: C, ---
Oh - the politicals? I remember a small article about Fagen when he visited London to promote "Kamakiriad". In that short interview he said he voted for Clinton.
And Walt? No doubt, he's a leftwinger.
---C:\as
Posted by: Clas, ---
Hoops - Donald is phrasing the way he does 'cause, I mean, they spend such time on those tricky lyrics and don't want anyone to miss a single word.
Happy Holidays.
(I've already got my Christmas gift: The original Swedish translation of Thomas Mann's "Buddenbrocks", printed 1929)
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Posted by: FP, Down on Green StreetDF-IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED THAT FAGEN DOES ALL OF THE HORN ARRAIGNMENTS FOR STEELY DAN. OH, AND PLEASE STOP YELLING!!!
Posted by: alan , @ Downunder or whatevaH !To the Wreck-less Crew et-al...
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.
Looking forward to riding with you all again real soon...
AA
Posted by: DF, IN REVIEWING MY LATEST POST I MISSPELT "OPPORTUNITY" (OPERTUNITY).
SORRY I WAS IN THE PROCESS OF DIALING THE "OPERATOR" AND ...
Posted by: DF, ATTN: DONALD IS THE ONE WHO STUDIED HARMONY/THEORY AND ARRANGING DURING THE RELATIVELY MUSICALLY-DORMANT 80S-AGAIN-NOT WALTER.
DONALD KNOWS VOICEE-LEADING/ARRANGING TECHNIQUES FOR THE "HORN" SECTION THAT WALTER KNOWS RELATIVELY LITTLE ABOUT. HE HAS SAID THIS QUITE OPENLY IN VARIOUS INTERVIEWS.DONALD IS THE MORE DISCIPLINED MUSICALLY SPEAKING THAN WALTER. I HAD AN OPERTUNITY TO STUDY W/ ONE OF THE HORN PLAYERS FEATURED ON "MY RIVAL" (FROM GAUCHO) AND HE SAID DONALD WAS THE ONLY PRESENT WHO SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED THE HORN PARTS-AGAIN-NOT WALTER. IN FACT THE HORNS DID 2 SEPARATE DAYS OF SESSIONS ON THOSE BACKGROUND HORN PARTS!!! DONALD WAS NOT TOO HAPPY WITH THE INTONATION. LOTS OF MAJOR/MINOR 2NDS.
Posted by: Morph the Cat is going to, Explode many of the tiny brains around hereMany of you around here are not worthy to experience Morph's greatness.
Posted by: You Don't Know Shit, EverywhereThis pure babbling is inane.
NONE of you have a clue as to who writes what both musically and lyrically. Your babblings about Walter's writing the lyrics on the sardonic, etc. songs is pure bullshit. But, have your fun during these lengthy vacuum periods.
Very few people know who writes what and has contributed what over the fullness of time of their joint career.
Wait until you hear the new one by DF. It might shake the musings in your pompous brains.
But maybe not as you some of you are so convinced of your "knowledge", or your own generally astute analytical processes.
Walter? Wonderful man, but just not a singer when viewed in any objective perspective. Brilliant guitar stylist and producer, though.
Oh, and "Happy Holidays"
Ho ho ho
Posted by: hoops , HapPy Hannukah, HappY ChristmasYo! If you're going to insult here, it's gotta be funnier than calling someone a moron.
Gotta admit, I'll be waking up tomorrow morning scrambling to see what's left for us under donaldfagen.com. Have no idea if a repeat of last year will happen but we can hope.
DF (referring to the post all in caps.) Succinct point well stated, although I personally don't know enough to say if I can agree or not with everything. But when Richard Pryor passed away a few weeks ago and his obit mentioned he won the Mark Twain Award, it occurred to me that Walter would be a deserving candidate for the Mark Twain Award.
Let's not forget the influence of Donald's mother on his singing. Donald's mother sang in the Catskills and Donald would listen to her singing around the house growing up. Donald says his mother's phrasing was especially an influence. Phrasing is something so special about Donald's style.
Be only the best kind of naughty and nice.
jim
Posted by: Let's re-think, who the moron really is"I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, give me Palmer's "Brooklyn" before Fagen's any day"
Only a fool would say that
Posted by: Alkali, NYCOh, i almost forgot....
Felonius, you're a moron.
Peace
A
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Christmas Spirit?Yo-ho-ho
Merry Christmas Dandom!
Me myself, I don't really like Christmas. It is the worst time of the year for making people stick to what they are told is 'correct behaviour'. You know what I mean, all the various Christmas formalities.
Most people work so hard to make Christmas Christmas that they forget to enjoy it themselves.
It is also the time of year when people are most ignorant and slef centred, focusing only on themselves and the commercial trash thrown at them.
It's not that I hate Christmas, I just hate the things other people have created that, each and every monotonous year, come with evry December.
Merry Christmas, make sure you and others have fun.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCFagen's voice is kinda unique if you don't listen to Dylan,
Otherwise shut up.
Dylan was such an influence on this band(s) that it's not even funny.
Now I’m not talking so much musically, although I can easily come up with some examples.
But, let's face it; even their first album was named after a Dylan lyric!
Don’t tell me that you haven't noticed that nasal Dylanesque sound in Donald;
You’d have to be tone deaf not to.
There’s nothing wrong with sounding like someone else, it's ok because Fagen's phrasing is different.
My point originally was that I like the idea of having more than one lead vocalist in a band.
Becker and Fagen live for picking the right guitarist, the right drummer, the right horn player etc. for each and every song they write, sometimes more than one!
You have diversity in instruments; so why not diversity in voice?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, give me Palmer's "Brooklyn" before Fagen's any day, I know Fagen's version wasn't scrubbed and polished ala Steely Dan but Palmer had that silky smooth voice that fit perfectly in that song.
Don’t get me wrong I like Fagen’s voice, I can’t imagine anyone but him singing “Monkey in your soul” or “everything you did” or “Reeling” or a ton of other Dan tunes. I’m just saying maybe give someone else a go at the microphone.
Ok, I’ve said my bit; I’m bracing myself for the onslaught.
Peace
A
Posted by: Bill, twenny miles from the epicenterI don't know what you're talking about. Donald Fagen has one of the most distinctive voices in all of music history. I can't imagine anyone else singing those songs BUT Donald Fagen, can you? When Donald Fagen steps up to the microphone and let's loose with "Any News Was Good News. And The Feeling Was Bad At Home. I Was Out Of My Mind And YOU Were On The Phone...", WHO ELSE is going to deliver that verse in the same way as Donald Fagen???
In a world full of musicians who are all trying to copy each other's sound and capitalize off the success of someone else, Steely Dan stands alone. NOBODY has been able to match thier style, and that's saying something in a world full of same-ness and copycats. It really bothers me when I hear an artist or a band who've come up with a unique sound and then having to hear nineteen thousand other wannabe's step up to the plate and try to sound exactly like them. That's not art, that's commercialism, and the two don't usually mix. So before you decide whether Donald Fagen is one of the greatest crooners in history or not, ask yourself this question... WHO ELSE SOUNDS LIKE HIM?
Happy Holidays to Donald, Walter, and all Steely Dan fans around the world. Next year is gonna be a blast!
NYB
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniYou know...with each listen, Walter's 11 Tracks of Whack grows on me. I remember when I first heard the cd, I wasn't real into it. But I guess I was expecting "Steely Dan", kind of like how Fagen did...especially Nightfly. But with each tour of the cd, I really do appreciate Becker's talents. That album has got some serious punch. Sure, it may never live up to Fagen's lofty heights, but man this album is great. I know, it freakin came out 11 years ago...but I just wanted to throw my thoughts out there. By the way...the solo on Junkie Girl is delicious!!! I can't wait for more "Steely" goodness with Fagen's Morph! Skate a little lower now!!!
Happy Holidays,
KDawg
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Mall Bound
Agree with the poster DF on melody lines and arranging/orchestration.
Also think DF is a natural singer...not sure he had to work on it harder than others. Yeah, he got better and stronger, but all singers do. The point is to communicate and he did it straight away on CBAT...especially Reelin.' That was the signature phrasing right there...or one of his sounds,anyway.
Any Major Dude showed another (more intimate) sound. Showed up again on Almost Gothic...and Springtime intro....Pixileen bridge, etc.
All those 'Jerry Lewis' sounding vocals, like Throw Back the Little Ones ('gently squeeze them') and Rose Darling were another sound.
Then the Donald multi-tracked backing vocals like Prezel Logic - still another side to his vocal talent. Similar but deliberately controlled and lush on Maxine.
I particularly like DF's voice on the Black Cow and Kulee Baba piano and vocal only demos.
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Posted by: felonius, Happy Holidays, Dan fans.
Posted by: felonius, left of hollywood
Sheena's party - there's a case in point
That right-wing hooey sure stunk up the joint
Sounds like they are slamming republicans to me. You don't write lyrics like that unless you are making a point.
Sorry if I offend but the political aspects of Steely Dan seem to me to be a topical discussion. Everything else has been discussed. Why not Walt and Don's political leanings? To me it's a fascinating subject, one that gets down to the heart of an artist's humanity. If it is a taboo subject I will go away and not post here again. But I will have much less respect for this site.
Posted by: DF, USUALLY ONE WRITES MELODIES SUITABLE FOR THEIR VOCAL RANGE. DONALD'S BASICALLY A TENOR AND WALTER'S A BARITONE.
OVER NINETY PERCENT OF ALL THE DAN'S MELODIES ARE WRITTEN FOR A HIGH BARITONE/TENOR VOCAL RANGE. ONE TENDS TO BELIEVE THAT DON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST OF THESE. HE IS OUR HARMONY/VOICING MAN LADIES AND GERMANS-NOT WALTER. WALTER DOES NOT REALLY POSSESS/DOES NOT REALLY CARE TO POSSESS THE ORCHESTRATION/ARRANGING KNOWLEDGE TO TRULY REALIZE THE MORE SOPHISTICATED DAN SOUND. WALTER IS MAINLY THE LYRICS MAN TO THE DAN'S MOST SARDONIC AND CAUSTIC SONGS. DAN "SOUND"-DONALD. SARCASTIC LYRICS-WALT.
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Posted by: ph, I think D&W are fighting (again). They're like a married couple in many ways. I for one am glad that they're doing their own thing, as it means more to listen to in the end...Quantity over Quality I suppose, though.
It was 52 degrees today, yesterday 45, and every day before that this month was below 20 and usually below 0 (F). I-heart-Iowa
So Happy Winter Solstice. That's something every person can appreciate.
Posted by: Rajah, It's 80 degrees with a cerulian blue sky, happy freakin Xmas and Chanukka to you Blue, one and all. Giddyup jingle horse, pick up yo feet...
Peace to everyone of goodwill, all my dear ones here, everybody who loves the great music.
Fuck everyone else, you'll never bring us down.
Run Run Rajah
Posted by: Inquiring Mind, Does anyone find it more than a little odd that steelydan.com does not have any links to donaldfagen.com?
I was under the impression that Walter was more involved in SD.com than Donald. So... considering there are no links to DF.com, Donald is releasing Morph and touring solo, and Walter is also recording solo, does this mean there is trouble in Steely Dan land?
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Posted by: Gina, Blue Lou MountainEven if you don't want to, it'll pull ya right back... As happened a few weeks ago, when the new DF album frenzy was buzzin' out loud. Hadn't been online due to work so it seemed like a distant thang to me, which was just fine! I live close to a canal and i looked out the window, a ship came passing by and its name was.. Altamira! Then runnin' like crazy to get the camera and i immediately felt like a fool again :-)
And just a few hours ago, when taking care of the last x-mas shopping in the (last) mall... i so do not like these places but some stuff you can get 'only' there, so... entering one of those megastores, although this was a mini-version of it... kind of wondering what it was i came to do and then my eyes got stuck... Glengarry Glenross... and if you'd buy it (or any of the other dvd's in the display), you'd get the Room With A View dvd for free. Well, these two movies for a decent price if you'd split 'the difference', not a bad 'catch' then... seen Glengarry once, long ago and liked it a lot.
Only when in the car back home i realized the Steely connection... funny, because Angel mentioned it a while ago, but it was related to a Simpson episode then...
Anyway, Merry X-Mas everyone here, Hoops etc etc
May the Morph fever keep ya warm over these holidays :-)
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Mu+Alkali-Looks like I'm outnumbred here, but I just can't see Palmers vocal chords stretching up to the levels that either he or Walt sang in Turn That Heartbeat... Becker has a fairly limited range, but he is extremly experimental with that range.
anyone gonna back me up here?
Angel-Happy Hannukah! I can never remember any holidays except the Christian ones, which is embarrasing since I know several Muslims (I get in big trouble for offering them food during Rammadam) and have two Jewish freinds (ok one, since one of them gets on my nerves). Fortunatly Hannukah is around the same time of year as Christmas, I can just never place it.
Happy Holidays for everyone!
Posted by: deaser26, SeattleWalter's vocals always add to the mix. And really, Michael McDonald was a vocal force on the later, early albums. The two voices that always said hey were Donald and Michael. And of course let's not forget Clyde King and Venetta Fields (here come those Santa Ana Winds Again.....) - guys the background vocals are as much a part of the landscape as the Donald himself....uh yeah.
cheers
deas
Posted by: angel, Been away from computers on vacation this week, but the thing that has been running through my mind was the thought that we received a Christmas message on 12/25/02 regarding Steely Dan. What a Christmas Present! Well this year it is also the first night of Hanukkah, so it would be even more appropriate to get one. Here's hoping.... :-)
Great news about Walter working on an album. Made my day.
--
Turn that Heartbeat
I would not go with Donald moving over to the left channel. So that leaves either David Palmer, or Walter singing those lyrics. I love that song, too.
Posted by: What?, ?Alkali...I also like the idea of having more than one vocalist in a band as long as the band isn't Steely Dan. When Donald Fagen is the lead singer why in the hell would you want to hear ANYONE else sing??? The best Steely Dan songs on record are the ones where DF is doubling his own vocals. No need to hear another voice... at all!
Posted by: Alkali, NYCI've always liked the idea of having more than one vocalist in a band.
and for a very short time we had 4:
Don,David,Jim and Walt.
does anyone remember a band called 3 dog night?
all three of these guys could hold their own.
i always thought that it was David trading vocals with Don on "Heartbeat" his voice is to smooth and high to be Walt, Walt comes in on "...and they closed the package store" and of course the chorus.
Peace
A
Posted by: Doc Mu, Lordship: Could be - it's a high register, but that's 33 years ago...Walter was my original thought, which means Pete Fogel still owes me a prize...
Someone go check back issues of Mojo for me willya ;-)
Happy Holidays!!
still nothing on the Fagen site yet...
Posted by: Ann, BorneoLWO:
What time (ET) is the usual time for Christmas Day? I'll try to be there if I can ...may be the middle of the night for me though!
Ann
Posted by: RWH, KalamazooRealist:
Can you see the Ash Heap of History from where you are in Portland.
Also, did you see this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1545963/posts
P.S. We went into Iraq after 9/11.
Long live Steely Dan.
-RWH
Posted by: FP, down on Green StreetHey Everyone! I have some breaking new!
Donald Fagen has the coolest fucking voice on the planet!
Have a good holiday...
Posted by: Sly, MontrealIt is very quiet regarding Donald's web site, and Steely Dan website. Waiting so much for the new album...
But it is not as quiet as we think, especially for Steely Dan. Did you notice that the copyright mention has been changed this week (just before the Holiday's period?)
Here's what you can read... at the Steely Dan's website...
© 1996-2006 Walter Becker and Donald Fagen: All Rights Reserved
This website is still alive...
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Hmm, maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.
Does David Palmer sing those lines or is it Walt?
I stick with Walt.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Raj: donald was resplendid in white tux coat blue shirt, sunglasses natch...had the Ray Charles thing really going
Heartbeat is one of my favs - too often overlooked. Thanks hoops, I haven't listened to it in a year or more... Walter's bass is tasty...and the instrumental break is a sign of things to come - Morphing William Wright. Great finish
Here's how I hear it - it's pretty tricky - they all sing with a similar timbre as the Donald in this
With stocking face I bought a gun
The plan was set the plan was done
[Donald - right channel]
Looked at my watch and started for the door
[David Palmer]
Now the food here ain't so good no more
[Donald -left channel - although it could be Walter]
And they closed the package store
[Donald + Walter]
CHORUS:
Love your mama, love your brother
Love 'em till they run for cover
Turn the light off, keep your shirt on
Cry a jag on me
[Donald, David, Walter]
Oh Michael Oh Jesus you know I'm not to blame
You know my reputation for playing a good clean game
Oh Michael Oh Jesus I'll keep my promise when
You turn that heartbeat over again
[Donald - doubled up harmony]
My poison's named you know my brand
So please make mine a double, Sam
[Donald - right channel]
Stir it up nice I'll eat it right here
[David Palmer]
This highway runs from Paraguay
[Donald]
And I've just come all the way
[Walter + Donald]
CHORUS:
Love your mama, love your brother
Love 'em till they run for cover
Turn the light off, keep your shirt on
Cry a jag on me
[Donald, David, Walter]
Oh Michael Oh Jesus you know I'm not to blame
You know my reputation for playing a good clean game
Oh Michael Oh Jesus I'll keep my promise when
You turn that heartbeat over again
[Donald - doubled up harmony]
INCREDIBLE INSTRUMENTAL BREAK
We warned the corpse of William Wright
Not to cuss and drink all night
[Donald - right channel]
Ticket in hand I saw him laid to rest
[David Palmer]
Woah, but zombie see and zombie do
[Donald - left channel]
He's here with me and you
[Walter + Donald]
CHORUS:
Love your mama, love your brother
Love 'em till they run for cover
Turn the light off, keep your shirt on
Cry a jag on me
[Donald, David, Walter]
Oh Michael Oh Jesus you know I'm not to blame
You know my reputation for playing a good clean game
Oh Michael Oh Jesus I'll keep my promise when
You turn that heartbeat over again
[Donald - doubled up harmony]
Turn that Heartbeat Over Again
[Donald - lead + David (high harmony) & Walter - sing "Turn"]
Posted by: Little Wild One, chilling the Christmas wineCouldn't think of a nicer "gift" for all my SO Dan Fan friends than a snippet from DF.com. Let's hope you're right, hoopsie.
I have been asked to coordinate a Greenroom holiday gathering, but need suggestions for dates and times. Perhaps Christmas night @ the usual time?
Hope to see the lot of you. It's been awhile and we have some catching up to do!
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Hoops-you took the words right out of my typeig fingers and made them better.
On TTHB Walter sings...
'Looked at my watch, and I started for the door'
'Stir it up nice, Ill eat it right here'
'Ticket in hand, we saw him laid to rest'
As well as singing the chorus'
As an extra point, Beckers three solo lines are very interesting. they seem to have similiar time signatures, breaks in similiar places and Becker makes certian words in similiar places (And, I'll & We) drag on. There are various other little pointers that I love about each line of the song, especially seeing as Fagen and Becker both do completely different things while singing, but I' ll just be babbling again.
Babble Babble Babble...
Posted by: hoops, Hey Art Pepper--I keep thinking DF.com will update for Xmas like last year. Heck, I'm hoping for a single like when "Cousin Dupree" came out right before Xmas 1999 and then we had other clips on New Year's Day, 2000.
I appreciate how wonderfully dry Donald's humor is, but Donald and Walter's humor at SD.com can't be matched for bust-a-gut laughter. SD.com was a hoot especially from 1996-2001
jim
Posted by: hoops,
If you listen carefully to "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again," you will notice that Donald is trading lines in the verses with another vocalist, Walter. Then there is the harmonizing at various parts.
If you have it, listen to "The Mock Turtle Song" (which has a slight couple varied titles) and it's Walter singing lead. His voice has really changed in 35 years, so that's a another context to consider when you hear Donald talk about how he wanted Walter (and others) to be the lead singer of Steely Dan in the early 70s, it's apparent. Maybe Walter's voice has changed because he used to smoke a lot and then there is age and…
I think Walter's vocals are perfect for his songs. I was so mad at people taking breaks during Walter's tracks at the 1993 openner at Auburn Hills, that I made banners thanking Walter for singing at the Poplar Creek show a couple of nights later. Of course I also threw roses on the stage for Walter and Donald because I was drunk on beer and drunk on just plain hearing SD play live almost front row center.
Neither Walter or Donald have traditionally gorgeous voices and I do lend a bit of credence to those who say if WB was the lead from the git-go, we'd be wondering about DF's vox. At the same time, Donald's non-gorgeous, but amazing voice is so identified with The Attitude that is so much a part of SD. 11TOW gives a vantage of how The Attitude would have evolved had WB been lead vox.
Anyone up for Art Garfunkel's covers of "Junkie Girl" and "Everything You Did"?
Tangentially, saw Bob Dylan and Paul Simon on their joint tour in 1999. Dylan sang Artie's parts on "Sounds of Silence."
Even more tangentially, Paul Simon says when he sings alone, the title is "Sound of Silence." When Artie (or Bob?) sings with him, then it is "Sounds of Silence." I don't think he is serious or is he?
jim
Posted by: ph, pour me a double, SamBecker on "Heartbeat"...? What??? Backup vocals I assume?
Posted by: Rajah , Donald is a panic as a singer. Live, you never know which Donald will show up on any given night, the spot-on Donald that Mu was fortunate enough to experience down Texasway three years ago or the lost-at-sea Donald we experienced at Costa Mesa in July 03.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Fagen also looks more tired and weary than Becker ussually does. Maybe this, and his time signature speaking voice, is an instincive rub-of from his countless performances, added to the fact that his talents do not come natrually, making him work so much harder than the natrually gifted Becker.
Posted by: Art Pepper, I, Viktor.... I, Viktor...
When will the Fagen website be updated????
Posted by: Rajah, Walter has a very fine speaking voice, suitable for the stage even. Nice timbre, nice support, he'd be aces as an after-dinner speaker at the Friars. When I think of Donald's speaking voice, I hear a guy speaking in a singing voice, it has a cadence, a time signature, doesn't matter so much what he says as long as it scans well.
Donald is the most instinctual reluctant crooner ever. he was not blessed with God-given natural pipes, he's had to work it.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Rajah and everyone else in the Becker/Fagen voice discussion-Donald and Walters voices have both changed greatly over time. Listening to Becker on Turn That Heartbeat... andlistening to him again on Slang Of Ages is ineresting.
But since Fagens nasal voice talents HAVE become a Steely Dan trademark, he cannot rework his voice the way Becker can. Listening to Fagen solo alums, you realize that people would not understand if Fagen changed his siging style. Listening to 11TOW, you detect differences in Beckers style, because his fans will not associate any one voice of Beckers with Becker himself, unlike with Fagen, where one style of singing becomes the mans own identity label.
However, while Fagens singing and speacking voices are extraodanairily different, however Becker sings, it always sounds a lot like a musical version of his singing voice.
But, at the end of the day, if it sounds good, who really gives a dam?
Posted by: Or is it the other way around?, ---
Beauty has nothing to do with a great voice?
---/C
Posted by: C @ Barely Town, ---
Right, those slippery trained voices are mostly awful. My favourite song with Bonnie Raitt is "I can't make you love me", just by chance I heard the song with George Michael. Man, that was a terrible experience, at first I couldn't believe it was the same song.
A great voice has nothing to do with beauty.
---
Posted by: Butler, D.CSir. shall we milk this again? Raj you and O'l Al
need the Clara Barton attention if you weren't such a cyber kiss ass
I might have some sympathy instead it's contempt. After all with all this medication being posted here you should find something that works off the usal faire for you.
Posted by: Rajah, Finally, in agreement over here.
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYDonald Fagen and Walter Becker both aren't the type of vocalists that grab the headlines for being "great" voices. However, I usually don't like that type of voice anyhow. Too squeaky clean, too perfect, and usually too... Broadway. Great example: listen to a Billy Joel song, then listen to the version from the Movin' Out musical. After you bang your head on the nearest table for a couple of minutes, you hopefully will give yourself a minor head injury to help you forget the Broadway version and its soulless, lifeless vocals. (And if you can't stand Billy Joel, continue banging your head on the table a little while longer I guess)
Donald's voice has deteriorated with age quite a bit and gotten a bit more nasal. For a comparison, listen to the first line in Babylon Sisters ("Drive west on Sunset to the sea..."). In the studio version, notice the body in his voice. It's still fairly present in the Alive in America recording. However, his voice is pretty thin in the '00 live DVD. Also, his range is much more limited than it used to be, but he can still hit some pretty high notes actually. And if he's on a good day, his voice still sounds very solid. He sounds great on both the 2VN and EMG albums. Live... it's hit or miss. But it's still got a lot of character, very distinctive, and he can actually sing the right note the vast majority of the time. In other words, I still rather like it. (The biggest problem with Donald's voice is how the songs are sometimes tweaked to fit it today (I think this is the reason at least...). Babylon Sisters and Josie, for example, are scaled down a notch or two these days and I think it's because Donald just can't quite sing them otherwise.
Walter's voice is interesting. He doesn't have quite the natural singing talent that Donald does and his range is fairly limited. However, on the songs that work with his voice, it's stunning. Absolutely great for bluesy songs--Slang of Ages has some wonderful singing. He can also pull off the softer stuff when he wants (Book of Liars, Fall of '92). He also did a decent job on Haitian Divorce in '03.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHis Lordship to be:
Ah......NOW I understand why I relate so well to your postings!! Common origins.
OK Dan Fans:
I know you're probably all sick of Christmas Muzak! We're just starting with Chinese New Year Muzak here too (and you SS?), so what about a Dan Compilation Christmas album as the ideal gift, to introduce a new comer to our heroes? What do you think are the "10 best" to go on a compilation album?
Rajah: Nice to see you back. Had the flu??
Ann
Posted by: NostraDONus, Okay you're right, saying that Donald has "painted himself into a corner musically" is going a little bit overboard. He hasn't really painted himself into a corner so much as he's created an architectural framework from which he won't generally stray too far. I mean it stands to reason that Fagen isn't going to produce a Rock album right? I mean he could if he wanted to, but I think he's developed a sound for himself that he's comfortable with and straight-up Rock just doesn't fit the mold. See now Becker could do that and get away with it. As a matter of fact Becker could do anything and get away with it. Nobody EXPECTS any particular sound out of Becker. Becker did alot of different things on 11TOW if you listen to it closely enough. That's all I'm saying. Fagen is a known entity, while Becker is the unknown.
Posted by: Rajah , calling KafkaBugs. Nightflies and Mantis-ez. Cat morphs into, what, some kind of insect along the way somewhere amongst other things? Should round out that bug troika.
Posted by: Rajah, Donald has cultivated this very defined musical personna in great measure by not ever allowing himself to fall into any one category or genre or idiom, whatever you wanna call it. So yes, I agree he is first and foremost the voice of Steely Dan and most casual fans I daresay couldn't tell the difference between a Steely Dan song and a tune off Nightfly, Karakiri or Morph. And if he has painted himself into a corner, it's a corner in the great Pantheon of musical excellence, a corner office, if you will.
Walter obviously shares a great kinship with Donald, professionally and personally, like brothers, actually, better than many brothers but Walter will forever remain a bird of an entirely different feather.
Posted by: NostraDONus, it is decidedly soHere's the difference between the Fagen and Becker solo works...
Becker can do whatever he wants.
Fagen MUST stay true to the Steely Dan legacy.
It's true. Fagen is so identified with the Steely Dan sound that HE MUST remain true to it. Therefore all of Fagen's solo releases will sound VERY MUCH like Steely Dan, while Walter is free to experiment with whatever he pleases (such as using different singers and experimenting with other non-traditional musical genres). Donald has very much painted himself into a corner musically, while Walter is a virtual unknown. Somehow in the scheme of things I'd think it would be much more fun to be Walter at this stage of the game.
* Okay Jazzbo's, fire when ready!
Posted by: Doc Mu, gypsy: fair enough - I was thinking more Born in the USA, River period. However Lost in the flood doesn't address politics or human condition nor is an anthem, just when of his best cars n' girls songs, which is shy Bruce's first 2 albums are best, particularly The Wild, Innocent, and E Street Shuffle with David Sancious. I'd like Born to Run More with Less Jon Landau production...
Raj: I guess we got lucky, but the Donald nailed every signle note in the first set in Dallas, 2003...totally in sync with the babe choir. What a night!
Walter sings better live than in studio...most people at the SD concerts would have known that, but they got up to get a beer, go to the john, or score a lid...sheeeesh...
Posted by: SDKSF, SDSLKFJSFDLuckless, I am looking more forward to a new DF than I would be a new SD.
Posted by: What a sham, Cape HornDid I make a dent?
no I don't think so"
your'e so called " head space" is fodder for a broadside
Another wishby that can dish it out but cn't handle reality..click click my fancy shoes..another click and I'm the yuppie..click click and I'm the credit card idiot with all my flunkies. picking up more Donald miles..per gallon but it ain't Buddy Miles.
Posted by: Rajah, Donald at one time had an incredibly supple voice, recall how blown away, was it Steve Gadd, when he heard Donald belt out Don't Take Me Alive? These days, his upper register has disappeared some, not unusual for a man his age, and when he sings he basically hangs around the keys of G, F or A. And he does have that nasal thing going on but somehow that has become his vehicle, it's almost like he's playing a Mr. Steely Dan character. But now wait, his timing, the way the words fall trippingly off the tongue, ala Pixeleen or Godwhacker, this ability remains intact. He carries a tune with the best of them, not so much live but he's still right on it on record. Make no comparison between Donald and Walter's singing ability.
Posted by: Sing out your nose, Walter's "limited vocal range"??????? Let's talk about Donald's limited vocal range. Neither have much vocal range. Donald = Mr. Nasal where singing through his nose is only topped by Bob Dylan. Both Donald and Walter have great phrasing and delivery. Donald Fagen says himself that if he had his druthers, Walter would do all the singing. If Walter had sung all the Steely Dan songs all these years, we'd be bitching about that nasally Donald Fagen guy who comes in and ruins the albums. No, we are just used to Donald's unconventional voice and not used to Walter's unconventional voice.
Posted by: fife, the office petting coltrane the cat, and what a spoilt rotter he is!I remember walking into a corner store as a kid with 25 cents, Canadian, and walking out with a small brown paper bag filled to the rim with goodies. Black balls, red hots, fireballs, jujubes, black babies, and a variety of coloured licorice whips a cornicopia of delights all stuffed into a little brown bag.
If I had to choose a box I'd go for A only because I like the idea of 2 for 1 !!!
Fife
Posted by: Rajah, Bruce is a great troubador and story teller. He is not an adept musical mastermind who travels through a broad range of forms and styles like Dr. Fagen. He's great at what he does, I've seen him twice and each time, frankly, I couldn't wait for the show to be over. Maybe you have to be from Jersey?
Notwithstanding Walter's limited vocal range, his comment not mine, there's still something heartwarming about the old soldier stepping up and croaking into the mic. Nah, let him sing, his voice has its own grotesque beauty.
Posted by: ccw, dcRWH, you douchebag, first of all don't say not to make political comments and then make them. Secondly, George W. Bush doesn't do crap to save us from terrorists on a daily basis; he chops wood on his ranch like a half-wit while doing nothing to protect our ports or to secure control nuclear material in the former Soviet Union and elsewhere. The 9/11 Committee pointed that out yet again a few weeks again. Wake the f up.
Posted by: gypsyqueeninafairytale, There is nothing "mind-numbing" about Lost in The Flood.
Posted by: Doc Mu, C: That's right. Pretender - title track. Probably my favorite JB recording
"I’m going to be a happy idiot
And struggle for the legal tender"
- where dreams end and life begins
Posted by: Clas, ---\from Google:
“Legal tender or forced tender is payment that cannot be refused in settlement of a debt by virtue of law.
Legal tender is a concept that is frequently misunderstood: this is often a result of differing legal definitions in different jurisdictions. Cheques, credit cards, debit cards and similar non-currency methods of payment are not generally defined as legal tender. Some jurisdictions may forbid by law, or otherwise restrict, payment other than by legal tender (for example, by outlawing the use of foreign coins and banknotes, or by requiring a licence to perform financial transactions in a foreign currency).”
Mu - isn't Jackson B singing about legal tenders in “The Pretender”?
---\aaahMEN!
Posted by: I.E., I'd get a sledge hammer and bludgeon the muthafuck out of both boxes until I extricate all 3 CDs. Why people entertain fantasies about having to make such a tortuous decision is beyond me but I guess I did just that.
Walter sang that song on the 1993 tour about George Bush and those Nazis in Wash DC.
Posted by: Doc Mu, don'tyaknowther'sfireintheholeAt this point I'll gladly take Fagen and Walter solo efforts!!
SD speaks of the evil, folly, and twisted nature of the human condition - it goes well beyond mere politics - which makes their work timeless...and not mind-numbing Springsteen anthems!
Pennies and nickels are technically NOT even legal tender until the late 19th Centrury... The Coinage Acts of 1873 and 1879 made them legal tender for debts up to 25 cents only, while the other fractional coins (dimes, quarters, and half dollars) were legal tender for amounts up to $10. This remained the law until the Coinage Act of 1965 specified that all U.S. coins are legal tender in any amount.
...I mean what's the Piaster exchange rate?? Time to bag 'em.
...and I myself am just an Austin Scaggs freak...
Posted by: C @ the country house, ---
Did you guys see Oprah guesting Letterman?
Wasn't that glorious?
---
Posted by: Alkali, NYCi remember when you could walk into any convenience store and get Bazooka's for a penny!
now they're a nickel, except for Caladarcci's, still a penny!
you can even get the comics inside in Hebrew!!
Joe Palooka rules.
i think they should do them with Don & Walt rife with social commentary and wit ala Doonsbury but, less left.
A
Posted by: ph, doesn't deal in small changeWe use pennies. Pennies have Abraham Lincoln's head on them. I've got a pocket full of them right now. They're the most annoying little buggers in the world... basically only good for evening out change or something so that I can get a dollar bill back instead of 97 cents. No one goes to a store and pays in pennies...hence, I have a 32oz jar on my desk full of just pennies. I could go to the bank and get them converted to bills, but it'd be like $5 and then I'd be really depressed.
Box A for me. I didn't like EMG (much) and assume that the next Steely Dan album would just be a progression in style from the last one.
Posted by: moray eel, truMost people in the U.S. eat candy bars (cost between 50 cents to 1 dollar). Chocolate, peanuts, caramel, etc.
Peppermint, butterscotch, lemon drops used to be known as penny candy. Now everyone just calls it candy. It used to be sold in bulk at candy counters in department stores.
Now, people buy it in one pound bags at WalMart or Target.
+
If given a choice betwen two solo albums or a SD album, I'll take the two solo albums.
m.e.
Posted by: Realist, Portland, Oregon>Would this be the same President Bush that is saving your sorry ass >from head-chopping terrorists on a daily basis?
This would be the same lying, cheating, spying mofo that has made every attempt to ruin the country and our relationship with the world. Give me a break -- anyone still interested in defending this guy needs a strong dose of reality. He is the REASON the terrorism has gotten so out of control. Salaam.
Posted by: FP, down on Green StreetLuckless.... That question will be better answered after Morph the Cat comes out.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Luckless-Going by what I've heard on EMG, I'd have to pick B as well, although option A could be interesting...
However, I higly doubt if Donald and Walter would have keep the Steely Dan ensemble the same for a new album. Chucking band members up, down, around and, ultimatly, out seems likea Steely Dan trademark to me.
Moray-Thanks for that, I have no idea why it's not Cent Candy, and I don't suppose I ever will, unless evryones just being lying to me about the U.S candy for pretty much all my life.
That'd be a pretty fun co-incidence/conspiracy, if EVRYONE I know is pointlessly trying to convince me that Americans use cents when actually they don't. I'm pretty sure Americans DON'T use pennies, but what do I know? maybe evryones being lying to me...
EVERYONE!
Someone find my pills and Fire In Tne Hold.
I am just another Freak
Posted by: lucklesspedestrian, ScotlandOkay,
In box A you have both Morph the Cat and the new Becker solo album.
In box B you have a new Steely Dan album.
You're only allowed the contents of one box.
Which do you take?
(for me B)
Posted by: moray eel, spoonIn the U.S., penny sweets=penny candy. Almost no one uses this term anymore. You might hear a grandmother say it once in a while when offering her grandchildren a treat, but it is about as common as "horseless carriage".
m.e.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Fife-That 15th century Gregorian chant idea aint so bad, I wouldn't mind listening to a Steely Dan album like that...
By the way, no we do not have half pennies in Britian, shop keepers just don't have the time to fiddle for that much time.
Here's a quistion I want to ask all Americans in general (but havn't for some reason up till now) what do you guys call Penny Sweets, and are they actually 5 Pennies like they are in Britian?
Alkali-Thanks for that, I'm very touched to know that when, sorry, IF I disguised myslef as an American politician I'd get one happy voter on my side :)
Still, I'll always be the Lord of weird in my own little world.
Posted by: conscientious observer, that ditch out in the valleyHoops I d say that tin foil hat wearing, hate monger felonious deserves to be dropped kicked as has been the norm here. I too am sick of hearing Karen Carpenter et al and where does Celine Dion get off singing John Lennon???
Posted by: fife, sunny baltimore,ehMerry Christmas all!
I hope everyone has a good one. As far as the debate on what the Dan are or are not, well let's put it this way, they could release an album of 15th century gregorian chant and I'd still buy it! So really if you enjoy it or even worship it who gives a flying **** what the genre is!
just my halfpenny thought(do they still have those in GB?)
P.S. BwaySteve I've been trying to e-mail you about myself and Mr.Sam making our foray to NYC, but I'm not sure I've got the address right. E-mail me please!!! We would love to see you!!
Fife
Posted by: Alkali, NYCIt’s interesting, the discussion/debate on the two Fagen C.D.’s
It’s made me go back and re-listen to Kama (my 2nd favorite)
Well, I don’t like it that much more now that I’ve listened to it again and again.
One of the things that is very striking about it is the crispness and clarity; it’s absolutely rich in sound.
It’s just too light for me, dare I say; soft-rock-muzac.
With the exception of “Trans” and “tomorrow’s girls”.
HLTB: here, here. If it were legal you’d have my vote for President.
It’s really no wonder that our founding fathers and all of their wisdom were of English descent.
Bush is the right guy for the job, even though I’m not crazy about him.
I think FELONIOUS is just a frustrated collectivist.
“It's a special lack of grace
I can see it in your face”
Peace
A
Posted by: Johnny Damon, nyIf I hear any more $%%$##@$^% Christmas music, I'm jumping off the #$$%%%%^ Brooklyn Bridge, to hell with my salary.
Humbug
Posted by: His Lordship To Be+Present Prince Of Wales, PS-My finger slipped.RWH-Sorry, my finger slipped and I wrote 'FWH' instead of 'RWH'
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?DWB-you sound like a very smart, happy guy with his head in the clouds and his feet on the ground (that's a good thing by the way!)
You've got a pretty good opinion on the bickering over what style Steely Dan use, and you're right. If it sounds goood, who really cares? However, since giving in to that kills months of potential discussion time, I'm not surprised that I'm the only one to have commented on your post.
A very Merry Christmas to you as well, yo-ho-ha.
FWH-I know you said to shut up about politics, but I think you've got the right idea.
Over in Britian, it's worse for our beloved prime minister Tony Blair. Everyone seems to hate him (mainly because he's done better than everyone else in his career path) but if anyone's gonna stop Bin Laden from whooping our asses, Bush and Blair are the least corrupt politicians I can think of, and are the best guys for the job!
I think Felonuius must be secretly British. Almost all British folk hate those who do better than them. Fortunalty, most British folk are too busy sitting on their asses complaining about imaginary problems to go out and do something bad, like voting for the toffs to become top dogs (I won;t give names because most Bluebookers arn't British and probably won't have heard those names).
Posted by: RWH, Kalmazoofelonius:
"I wonder if Becker and Fagan hate bush as much as I do?"
Would this be the same President Bush that is saving your sorry ass from head-chopping terrorists on a daily basis?
Becker and Fagan probably do hate bush, but they generally have the good sense to focus on their music and not politics. There are many of us "Right-Wingers" who are Dan Fans.
Please keep your misguided politics out of this forum.
-RWH (Blue Book lurker and Dan Fan since '72)
Posted by: NostraDONus, polishing up that mystical sphere...So what do you think the chances are that Walter might actually use a younger singer to perform a couple of his songs? Kind've like Carlos Santana did with his song "Game Of Love" with Michelle Branch?
* Hey if you can use studio musicians to play instrumental parts for you why can't you use a singer in the same way? Why not, The Alan Parsons Project did, and has for years, right?
Posted by: DWB, Christmas Carol AlleyJust in to wish the Bluebookers and the host Hoops and their loved ones a relatively Merry Christmas, by the sound of the bickering in here it seems as if some don't WISH to be in good spirits, ah, what a shame! It's easier to be cross than cross over and be nice, throw a smile instead of an insult, puhleeze!
Thanks to everyone with an advanced sense of humor and an undying love for the music of Steely Dan, which, in my humblest opinion is no rock n roll, no jazzed up popmuzak but COUNTRY in its wildest experimental phase, yahooooooo.
WHO CARES? If their music makes ya feel good, that's all that matters. The rest can be blamed on the childhood and not enough time spent at the couch of dr ZZZZZZZ
Merry X-mas y'all and a peaceful start of 2006!
Due with the X-mas Buzz
Posted by: felonius, I wonder if Becker and Fagan hate bush as much as I do? One clue that they do is when they use the term "right wing hooey". Another is the word "GodWacker". Though they wisely deny it, I believe they are obviously referring to GW. Poppy is even mentioned.
Posted by: You're right, NYCRead your own first phrase.
36 months of crap to get one tidbit of news.
Good value.
Life is short.
Posted by: RS, Sure Rolling Stone is mostly a celeb rag anymore, but why be such a downer on an item bearing good news from a reliable source, Boz Scaggs' son?
Posted by: H-goon, NYCWho the hell reads that fish wrap Rolling Stone anymore?
It addresses a 16 year old mentality at best.
Talk about pretentious tripe.
Rock is dead.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Gagi-Our potentially racist buddy Message To... sure noticed you.
Don't worry, I noticed you and thought that what I saw was very interesting, enlightaning and all that Jazz. If there's anymore of the same in there somewhere, keep em coming.
Posted by: PQ, NYCNYBill you silly phreak...explain East St. Louis Toodle-oo and Cubano Chant.
Posted by: gagi, "Chicago," "On location," "Ooo-La-La!", "How's my little girl?", etc.i m so glad,
anybody noticed me.
:-))))))))))))))))))
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?What's this about europeans?
I sure hope this happy discussion board won't turn into the Europe abuse centre, cos that ain't nearly up to Bluebook smart standards.
Posted by: Message to self, anybody got a pencil?NEVER trust the opinion of "Gagi" from Europe. Obviously another one of the soft Jazz clones that have attached themselves to the band.
Posted by: gagi, europenow, that i`ve heard almost all unreleased steely dan-songs,
it is my pleasure, to post the results:
1.) you gotta walk it like you talk it (soundtrack):
if you've got this album, you gotta throw it
in the w.c. (zero of 5 stars)
2.) dallas / sail the waterway (single):
nerving chorus (both), sounds like manfred manns earth band.
if you've got this single, please throw it also
in the w.c. (zero of 5 stars)
3.) gaucho outtakes:
-the bear & talking about my home (2 of 5 stars)
-kind spirit, i can't write home about you &
second arrangement (3 of 5 stars)
-kulee baba (piano & vocal demo) (4 of 5 stars)
4.) fall of 92 (becker & fagen) (4 1/2 of 5 stars)
5.) this all too moblie home (live 73) (2 1/2 of 5 stars)
6.) the early demos:
-all (1-2 of 5 stars)
-except sun mountain, brain tap shuffle & i can't function
(3 1/2 of 5 stars)
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my resum: except kulee baba(demo) & fall of 92, nothing to miss
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thats all,
i'll try again tomorrow
Posted by: Mister Furley, YGK is stealing my act!Hmm... or possibly it is YOU that is "stuck" my young un-talented friend. Perhaps YOU are walking in the footsteps of the past? Have you listened to "Godwacker" bub? It's the shape of things to come no? Perhaps B&F have changed course and set a tack for the past? Could be, in which case YOU would be living in the past which just happens to be the present. The future belongs to us baby. Now go back snd spin your Jazz records in the dark where no one will hear them. Run along now sonny...
And remember folks, YGK is pronounced "yuck".
:)
Posted by: YGK, nycPtuh: I just want everyone to recognize that Steeely Dan has a jazz element. It started with Aja, and I believe that SD can be historically noted as Pre-Aja Period and Post-Aja Period. Obviously, you’re stuck in the Pre-Aja Period, which is, like, so 30 years ago, back when you had hair and possibly a life.
So why not make an attempt to grow up, evolve and accept the progress that is life, huh?
ygk
Posted by: PQ, NYCMu, the other thing I left out is black church music like on Jazz + Soul = Genius.
Posted by: As Previously Mentioned........, The Fagen solo tour and Becker solo isn't new news. Has been discussed in the blueberry and greenbook.
Posted by: W, Park Slope LOLPeter Q----Sorry, but "No creeps allowed backstage" Actually, I'm going to cut and paste your post and send it to Carlock and Herington to confirm.
Later CREEP
Posted by: I would hate , to tour the SouthlandMU- Nothing south of DC
Posted by: Doc Mu, LOL
PQ: I hate to say it but Spot On anaylsis. Don't forget the Monk and Bill Evans influence on the keys. They're the cake, Garland is the icing.
Posted by: Yellow Snow, where the huskies goWhat's up with Banyantrees.net? Hasn't been up for like a day now.
Posted by: Walter P. Chrysler, you can look it upThree words for I Guess the News:
What an asshole
Too, too much--new DF and WB albums. Their promise in 2vN's title track is really coming to pass.
Just when I was beginning to think they were bullshitters...
Let's just hope when the glorious smoke clears about a year and a half from now, we'll be reading on the SD website:
"Donald and Walter are in the studio recording a new album..."
YEAH BOY!!!
Posted by: PQ, NYCthat should be "tried to solve the problem with Wendel." Sorry.
Posted by: PQ, NYC
Let me pre empt Weber too. "Passing out flyers" did wonders for the backstage passes for the Fagen tour, LOL.
Pftuh (NYB in his many guises) - the answer is that Steely Dan is a POP music band that incorporates various elements of various styles. If you want to hear the real, true precursors of SD music you need to listen to 1. the Cannonball Adderly band when Zawinul was on Fender Rhodes (this sound is *all over* SD music) 2. the Staples Singers 3. Chess records blues recordings with Hubert Sumlin as the house guitarist and Fred Below as the house drummer. The metronomics that Below created on these recordings is a sonic *obsession* in Steely Dan, to the point where they tried to solve the problem with Weber.
Also, in terms of jazz, with very few exceptions, from Pretzel on the players are jazz players with the exception of the Knopfler bullshit and a few background singers. Other than that these are jazz players, period, the end. But look:
In Gina's interview with John Beasley, Beasley said that Walter listened to a lot of Red Garland. Look - there's a Steely Dan song that has a piano part so obviously deriative of Red Garland's blocked chord style, as soon as you hear it you nod and say, That's it. Similarly, Fagen like Harold Land. There is a SD tune that is clearly derivative of a similar Harold Land tune. Get a clue please!
On the other hand, SD clearly follows a lot of the rock and roll concepts spelled out in, say www.reasontorock.com - in theory, and in their earlier stuff.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Ptuh-I think I agree with you, so long as you agree with me.
Ateely Dan has a rock componenet, as well as components made up of just about every style possible, that's what makes them great-they are one of the few bands that can do that!
I think by now I'm reduced to the annoying, cantankerous idiot, sitting in the virtual corner, muttering away to himslef that Steely Dan use any style possible to create the best sound around.
Posted by: Uhum..., ---
That was me: //C
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Posted by: The Merchant of Venice, California, ---
Ann - thanx.
Best outro: the drumfill that leads into the hornsection in Don't Take Me Alive. Awesome.
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Posted by: City Of Light, heat up these white nightsHas anyone picked up this cd? Donald is listed in the credits as "author".
"Ultimate Mancini" (released 8/24/04)
"Donald Fagen of Steely Dan puts it in his brief note to the CD: "All bow before the High Priest of Hollywood Cool!" In other words, fans of Henry Mancini should snap up this rewarding CD right away. [The album was also issued in an SACD format.]" ~ Ken Dryden, All Music Guide
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,3047148,00.html
Posted by: Mexico City, drive to the coast and drive right back againA real honest to goodness solo FAGEN TOUR??? My God that's incredible news! THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE! NOT EVER! I know I'll be snatching up more than a few tickets to more than a few shows. I gaurantee every show is a sell-out! Donald Fagen solo... I'm trying to visualize that right now. This is too cool for words.
And a new WALTER BECKER cd??? Who the hell saw THAT comin'? I sure didn't, but I'm sure glad to hear it! I play 11TOW pretty often. I'm really looking forward to WB's new stuff! These are exciting times for Dan fans around the world. Just when you think they're going to head off into the sunset for an extended period of time THEY HIT YOU WITH THIS! Now THAT'S what I call UNPREDICTABLE!
My God, are we gonna get a solo Becker tour too? What the hell is going on here?
Posted by: Doc Mu, hate: Thanks a lot. Florida, Atlanta, North Carolina, Virginia? New Mexico?...all east and west coasts? - what's the frequency kenneth? Will have the DF and WB discs on continuously then
Posted by: I would hate, to tour the Southland Mu- NO TEXAS SHOWS!
Posted by: Doc Mu, Paul: Again, it's more than Adler and he was there dude. Bruce Pates, Adler, Walsh, Wilkipedia, - that's four by my count
You misunderstand - you may be 30 before you do. I never suggested being forty-something is better than being 20-something, it's just different. Believe me, there are many times I'd rather be 25 - was a great time with the world wide open. Some of us in the Kama Age so to speak must be caretakers of infirm parents, some of us may have health problems or spouses with health problems, children with clubs, band, sports, or health and social problems. Careers are busier than ever. Stuff that just simply doesn't fit with rock and roll mags and whim time. That's life. That doesn't mean the 20s are a cakewalk and issueless...but ENJOY it man, while you can.
Hopefully, you'll try to see things from other's perspectives. Yeah, I gave ya a hard time about the Clips, but that's show biz, and they're tanking without Maggette the last week.
RS: That's awesome!!! - many thanks to you and Austin Scaggs. Sounds like Morph is pany fryed big time. WB I bet will take far less time to finish his. 11ToW was done between toorus in Maui and LA?
Posted by: RS, "Rolling Stone" #990/#991
December 29, 2005/January12, 2006
P. 39
The Smoking Section by Austin Skaggs (Yes, Danfans, that's NY Rock and Soul Revue's Boz Scaggs' son)
The Smoking Section worships STEELY DAN, so we were more than stoked to check out "Morph the Cat," the new disc from Steely Dan front man DONALD FAGEN, due in March. Whereas his solo debut, 1982's "The Nightfly," viewed the future from an adolescent's eyes, and 1993's "Kamakiriad" viewed it from the middle age, "Morph," says Fagen, "is looking towards the endings of things." He means death, but by no means is "Morph" glum--with songs like "H Gang," "Security Joan" (about a sexy airport agent) and "Brite Nitegown," as well as fabulous Steely-esque phrases like "Rabelaisian puff of smoke," Artic mindbath," and "ten milligrams of Cronax," Fagen's got another masterpiece on his hands. "It's the album that's closest to my vision of how it would sound," says Fagen. "I don't know if I could do much better," adding that partner WALTER BECKER is also working on a new album in New York. We're also jiggled to break the news that Fagen will support the record with his very own theater tour--his first solo tours since, uh, high school. "I've never done it before," he says, "I might do a few Steely Dan things that I particularly like, but it'll mainly be my stuff." Yes!
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfI don't trust the same people you do, Mu. Adler makes Chevy Chase look tame by comparison.
Your message was lost when you bookended it with personal attacks.
Over and audi,
D-U-N
Posted by: Layla, Um, excuse me, but would someone mind picking up (or just reading in the store) the latest edition of Rolling Stone magazine where the poster "mt" claims that in the smoking section it says "WB currently recording in NY"??
Hey, I tried three different stores, and have been unable to locate "RS" (if this is what "mt" means by his post).
Where is everyone? I'd think someone would have verified this by now....
Posted by: Doc Mu, jml2621ATneoDOTtamuDOTedu Paul: Based on my last post (which clearly you didn't read), you're presumptious indeed that "I"got something wrong and you're helping me out??? Those are specific citings from on-line sources, not me, including people who were actually involved - primary references. I don't care really, but those multiple independent sources that questions your information including Savoy Brown info. Mostly you're hacked that I wondered why folks would consider Mojo a vast resource of knowledge. You didn't do the research, and that's part of the point. So what's the deal?
I have the right to explain why I'm not rushing down to the mall - more of a comment on Mojo. Look, I didn't accuse you of reading Mojo 24/7, it's just simply that Mojo is an enterntainment rag and it's crack research staff may or may not, based on my previous readings, be accurate. If you want to be a grumpy old man at 25, what can I do. Let's face it, your style's been abrasive since you've resurfaced, and that's cool, particularly when interlaced with humor
"people over 20 still read Mojo" - an obvious joke, but whatever
Since your work deals with research and sifting through a lot of information, let me emphasize something you should know as a professional who is involved in research every day..
Primary References are the most trusted and potentially reliable. Direct information, people who were there
Multiple reference that include primary references are able to make a case.
Secondary references are a degree of separation from the truth and accurate. Like asking a friend of a witness of an accident what happened
Tertiary references are all too common in the media. Heresay almost.
For example, the Sweet book is entertaining but not entirely accurate, because he NEVER interviewed Donald or Walter - no primary references - not that they would have given him the straight story!
The yellow's irrelevent, but you've totally missed the point of the Yellow (and I seem to be getting along fine there thanks)...Belief and teamism and simply opposition to whatever the other side offers is simply not satisfactory. The purpose is to get folks to rethink their own views. I support whatever the Bush admin happens to be doing maybe 35% of the time in execution not that it matters and I'm not a Republican anyway (not that there's anything wrong with that). Politics gets dangerously close to a religion on both sides of the partisan fence.
I encourage you to e me if you would like and take it off this board.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf"Paul: I don't hang out in the mall, nor read articles on what the Boss has to say. Most folks in their mid 40s are apathetic about what a "rock star" might utter aside for ridicule and entertainment purposes.. They generally have very little insight or anything intelligent to say on real life, politics, etc. We're busy living our own lives..."
Jesus Christ, what's it like up there on that pedestal? What a dick thing to say.
How you can confuse "go buy this recently released magazine at a mall to clarify something you got wrong" with "hang out at the mall and base your life around every nugget of advice Bruce Springsteen dispenses in a magazine" is beyond me.
I don't know what happened to you, but since the Yellow types started hammering you for the Bush stuff in 2000, you've become sort of a less-creepy version of PQ. To a post, I've laid off you, but when you start lumping me in with some group of rock star worshipers ... that's a pretty shitty thing to say. I've bought exactly two Mojo mags since EMG was released.
I didn't ask you to breathlessly await the publishing of a new Neil Young interview, or commit a Van Dyke Parks Q and A to memory. I asked you to buy a magazine in the hopes of getting you to stop spouting bullshit about Walter Becker playing with TP.
And that little paragraph, quoted above, insinuates that I tend to hang out at the mall, and slavishly collect rock and roll magazines to gleam some sort of insight from aging longhairs. I don't, and again, that's a real dick move on your part. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish with the "when you're 40, you have better things to do," but I do know that when I hit 40, I hope I have better things to do that what you're currently doing.
I used to like you, Mu, and I don't understand why you'd rip on me like that. I hope you see this post before Hoops deletes it.
Posted by: Jazz Fugitive, hanging in the house of PTUH!The feedback employed during the intro to "Don't Take Me Alive" is one of the most powerful statements ever made in the history of Rock n' Roll. To say that Steely Dan doesn't deserve it's place at the Rock table is to show just how little you know about either subject...
Posted by: Doc Mu, Ptuh Box: 6... and on the 7th I rested
Sorry, couldn't resist
mt: Thanks...Feb 28 is close to March
Theater tour - not surprised - I wonder how may dates...any part of the tour in the Southland?
WB: recording! and in NYC...bet he can finish his next one in 3 months...
Posted by: Ptuh, Mu created the internet in 7 minutesWell Mu, at least I got you to admit that ROCK is a vital part of the Steely Dan landscape. Score one for the good guys!
Paul, all I'm trying to do is to get you guys to admit that Steely Dan does have a Rock component to it. And, that Rock component is VITAL to the overall SD sound. Can I get an Amen?
* Actually I think Mu created the 7,000 line post in 7 minutes...
Posted by: gagi, yes, i was blind that dayhttp://www.geocities.com/thefelyxz/rcc/morphcat.html
http://www.lynescreations.com/mymorphs.htm
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/11510728/
http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/bmc/gallery-vp1.html
Posted by: Searchin', For familiar faces like these:http://www.michaelfranks.com/archive_21_files/becker.jpg
Posted by: 1up, mt - is this bit about Walter "currently recording in NY" in Rolling Stone magazine?
Posted by: h, We were all set for a Feb '93 release of "Kama" (after other dates that had slipped) and then it slipped again...eventually ended up the last Tuesday in May '93. SD tickets for August/September '93 shows went on sale in March and April.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Morph to be released in March?
Heck, it's gone from January to two months later in March.
Someone tell me it's a joke?
Posted by: mt, didn't mean to be so cryptic.
from what I can remember (mag at home):
-Fagen tour (theaters)
-Morph released in March
-WB currently recording in NY (biggest bombshell)
toodles!
Posted by: Doc , That's from the real Deutschland...Gina's native tongue... Dutch - sorry
Posted by: What's the news?, My German's pretty good, but that ain't German, Doc.
Posted by: Is it true?, absolutelyNOT
Posted by: not at the mall, New Walter album - could this be true?
Posted by: Doc Mu, mt: dude, just spill it. Not on website and can't/won't get to mall.
P: How's your German?
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(band)
Spirit (band)
Spirit was een rockband uit Californië. De groep werd opgericht in 1967 en bestond toen uit gitarist Randy California, zijn stiefvader drummer Ed Cassidy, zanger Jay Ferguson, bassist Mark Andes en toetsenist John Locke.
Voorgeschiedenis
California, Andes, en Ferguson speelden in 1964 al samen in The Red Roosters, waarvan ook Mike Fondalier deel uitmaakte. De band trad regelmatig op in the Ash Grove, een populaire club waarvan Randy's oom Ed Pearl de eigenaar was. In 1965 verscheen Cassidy in beeld, een ervaren jazzdrummer die kort daarvoor met Ry Cooder en Taj Mahal in de jazzband Rising Sons had gespeeld. Cassidy trouwde met Bernice Pearl, de moeder van Randy. Wanneer Cassidy in 1966 met zijn vrouw en stiefzoon naar New york vertrekt betekent dit het einde van The Red Roosters. De andere leden gaan verder als Western Union. Randy, die toen nog Craig Wolfe heette, speelde in New York korte tijd bij de band Tangerine Puppets, waarvan op dat moment ook Walter Becker (later een van de kernleden van Steely Dan) lid was, die later zou verklaren veel van Randy's gitaarspel te hebben geleerd. Korte tijd later raakte Randy bevriend met Jimmy James (later bekend als Jimi Hendrix) en werd lid van diens band Jimmy James and the Blue Flames. Jimmy noemde hem voortaan Randy California, ter onderscheid van de andere Randy in de band die Randy Texas werd genoemd. Wanneer Jimmy gevraagd wordt om met zijn band naar Engeland te komen wordt de dan pas 15-jarige Randy door zijn moeder verboden mee te gaan. Korte tijd daarna keerden de drie terug naar Los Angeles. Cassidy en California vormden nu de band Spirits Revellious, met daarin onder meer toetsenist John Locke. Korte tijd daarna sloten Andes (die korte tijd in Canned Heat speelde) en Ferguson zich bij de groep aan. De naam van de band werd verkort tot Spirit.
The Wilikipeida line is "as accurate as Encyclopedia Britannica"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4530930.stm
Posted by: mt, big newsin the smoking section of RS
Posted by: Doc Mu, lovegig: I would say Carlock laid down more of a 4/4 rock backbeat on EMG than any drummer on any other album ...and fused with 40s blues jazz - think Charles Brown. It's designed to be "live party concert" in the studio. TvN is pure funk/Stax
Savoy Brown according to their OWN website were a British blues-influenced band who's only links to the US were drawing the name Savoy from a Chicago Blues label and 3 US tours - all members were British/Welsh and they recorded their albums in England There's no mention of Walter on their history bio - unless they picked him up in Queens one day if regular drummer Leo Manning had a hangover...
http://www.savoybrown.com/history1.htm
With no quotes from Randy California, the Ramones, or Walter (Primary References), and given the above facts, I'd say the "research" becomes more suspect. Walter was a pal of Randy California - that's INDISPUTABLE - and Walter is quoted as saying "he learned a lot about guitar" from RC....I'd be willing to accept that they played together but not in TP.
having said that - the Spirit Tree is Bruce Pates idea,
http://www.bostream.nu/johanb/spirit/spirit_tree.html
not Richard Adler -who wrote the book on 60s music and did more research than any "freaks."
and LOOK, Adler WAS actually THERE (second from left) -
http://www.kauhajoki.fi/~jplaitio/story/tange.html
although Walter was not in this version, would you trust a Primary Reference or stoned freaks? I wasn't there. you weren't there - who the hell knows...
That's two INDEPENDENT sources - this was confirmed by cross-referencing Pates and Adler.
Joe Walsh remembers WAlter in a band with Randy C., although I don't remember if it was TP or not.
Pfuht: Not that it's relevent at all - works of art are timeless, there's been gobs of great jazz in the last 50 years....but your comment does speak Volumes on the disposability of most Rock. You've made my point, better than I ever could have.
maestro - good points. They're good at so many styles
Posted by: lovethisgig, AtlantaAll this talk of the Dan not being able or willing to rock, I had to weigh in. I appreciate that je ne sais quoi you find in "Godwhacker" and "Gina" that is different from anything found on 2vN. (I would add "Green Book" to that list as well.) But I submit that "2vN," the song I mean, the title cut, is a rock tune. With that rhythm section, are you kidding me?! Yeah, it's dressed up in jazz clothing, but it rocks! As hard as anything from the Old Testament. And the lyrics are amazing. It's a second Danifesto (the first being "Deacon Blues" of course). It's Thin Lizzy's "The Boys are Back In Town," or AC/DC's "Back in Black" only with some wit, intelligence, and that trademark Steely style added to the testosterone. So don't criticize that album for not being "rock enough." You just fail to recognize it. Furthermore, the boys are anything but predictable. To give us that after 20 years of virtual silence!! Did you see that coming? Then 3 years later ... Do you think that EMG and 2vN sound anything alike? The boys are indeed back in town, and they're doing everything right. Keep up if you can.
lovethisgig
Posted by: Doc Mu, starmakermachinerybehindthepoopularsongPtuh: SD is a FUSION band, and created their own unique sound. A much more pure fusion than say Chicago. Also, they're FAR more influenced by R&B and blues and soul than rock and roll. Their backbeat is often closer
Paul: I don't hang out in the mall, nor read articles on what the Boss has to say. Most folks in their mid 40s are apathetic about what a "rock star" might utter aside for ridicule and entertainment purposes.. They generally have very little insight or anything intelligent to say on real life, politics, etc. We're busy living our own lives...
Gina's site has far more interesting interviews than 99% of the mall mag, because they often focus on sight into the music making process without self-serving promotion.
Walter and Donald - that's another story. One of the few intelligent, adult artists.
Case in point --->
Paul: Andy Metzger lists the quote from Fagen also who listens to Debussy a bit. I'll save everyone a trip to the mall or archives - here's the entire interview:
"Lost in the furor over Eminem's nomination, the oddness of Steely Dan's recent Grammy for Album Of The Year was somewhat overlooked. In some respects, that's perfectly in tune with a career characterized by quiet subversiveness. Donald Fagen and Walter Becker spent the bulk of the '70s sneaking their cryptic, sharp-witted songs onto the radio in the guise of smoothed-out California pop. Beginning as a much larger ensemble, the group shed members as its discography grew. By the time of 1974's Pretzel Logic and its ubiquitous hit "Rikki Don't Lose That Number," Fagen and Becker had converted Steely Dan into a studio-only outfit and firmly established their themes, primarily the fallout of the freewheeling '60s. Together, their music grew softer and subtler over the course of 1977's Aja and 1980's Gaucho; then, Steely Dan as a group seemed to disappear. Fagen and Becker both released solo projects with each other's assistance, but their band remained silent throughout the rest of the '80s. That changed in the mid-'90s, however, when they reconvened Steely Dan as a popular touring group, a reunion that last year found them releasing Two Against Nature as if it were simply a follow-up to what had come before. Now, in spite of their apparent disdain for the music business, Fagen and Becker are once again the center of attention, receiving the Grammy (which may or may not be for sale at steelydan.com) and acceptance into The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in the same year. The Onion A.V. Club recently spoke to Fagen and Becker about their spate of good luck, which, like everything else in the world of Steely Dan, often amounts to less than it may at first appear.
The Onion: Congratulations on your Grammy.
Walter Becker: Thanks a lot.
Donald Fagen: Thanks.
O: What have you done with your statues?
DF: You know, they haven't even sent me mine. They give them to you when you get up on the stage, and then they take them right away. Did you get one?
WB: No.
DF: See?
O: Not even an IOU?
DF: No, nothing. We'd have to call in about it, just like my Uncle Dave tried to call in about his Purple Heart that he got after WWII.
WB: This is the music business, so I think they expect that they're going to be energetically harangued by various businesspeople until we get what we want.
DF: Maybe we should try to get a Purple Heart.
O: You would have to suffer the double-indignity of asking for a Grammy statuette. I'm surprised that you got shut out of the rap category.
DF: Well, when did we have a rap?
O: There's always been the Steely Dan/hip-hop connection. People keep sampling you.
DF: Sampling, yeah, for sure.
WB: You know, we were the authors of the R&B Song Of The Year a couple of years ago, according to ASCAP.
DF: You mean, "Déjà Vu (Uptown Baby)"?
WB: "Déjà Vu," parentheses "Uptown Baby."
DF: We got an award for that.
O: That's a step in the right direction.
WB: I'm not so sure, because they told us that it might be good if we didn't go to the ceremony.
DF: That's right! Someone actually advised us not to go because it might be dangerous.
WB: I don't know if they said it would be dangerous. They did say it "might not be our type of affair."
O: Wasn't there a fight over who ripped off the Steely Dan sample from whom?
DF: The way I heard it was that Lenny Kravitz and Puff Daddy were riding around at night in a limousine, as they enjoyed doing in those days...
WB: Puff Daddy had already licensed the song "Black Cow" to make a track with, and in fact had made a track.
DF: Right. He had sent this thing to get a license to sample from "Black Cow." He and Lenny were riding around, and they heard on the radio the identical sample with a different rapper, doing different rapping, at which point Puffy said, "Hey! Somebody ripped me off!"
WB: "Somebody stole my track!"
DF: It had been ripped off by Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz.
O: People act like you somehow stole the Grammy from Eminem, but considering the body of voters, I'm surprised you didn't get Best New Artist.
DF: Yeah, you're right.
O: Did the Eminem controversy distract you from enjoying the awards?
DF: No, it was great that he was taking the heat. We didn't get that kind of soul-killing exposure you get when you really hit the jackpot.
WB: It's lucky for us, thinking as we do, that what we do essentially defies the kind of large-scale, commercial reification that has been given to people like Eminem. We believe that finding yourself in that position tends to undercut your ability to function as artists and as human beings.
DF: It's good for us. We had a hard time getting ourselves to even go to the Grammys. I went once, years ago, when one of my albums was nominated, but generally speaking it's kind of a scary affair. If you want to be looking at things from the outside, it's a little scary to get in that far.
O: It's also sort of a backhanded compliment, since you didn't get a reward when Steely Dan was most active in the '70s.
DF: Oh, I don't know. I thought maybe there were good reasons not to vote for some of the other things, and there wasn't really a good reason not to vote for us.
O: What about the lascivious lyrics?
DF: But we sneak under the limbo bar with those.
WB: That was a good reason to vote for us. One of the better reasons.
O: Your lyrics have often touched on strange or potentially offensive subjects, but the "Ban The Dan" movement never quite caught on.
WB: First of all, what we do and the way we do it is essentially irrelevant, and as I said before, not amenable to the type of reification they were laying on so thick for Eminem. While it perhaps was an interesting point to make, it obviously didn't apply to us. What happened with Eminem was part of a systematic promotional campaign on behalf of the people who run the Grammys and the people who sell newspapers. It wasn't a legitimate scientific controversy or intellectual dispute of any sort.
O: Because you do sneak things under the radar, would you consider your music subversive?
DF: That's not for us to say, really.
O: That's a pretty subversive answer.
DF: Well, I don't think that's for me to comment on, either.
O: You were just inducted into Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in March.
DF: [Sarcastically.] Yeah, we were really excited about that.
O: Well, it's got slightly more honor going for it than the Grammys.
WB: How do you figure that? [Both laugh.] Not to what degree do you figure that, but what process tells you?
O: I was going to say there's less politics involved, but that's bullshit.
WB: Uh-huh.
DF: Follow the money.
O: So, which is sillier, rewarding rock 'n' roll with little statues, or enshrining it in a museum?
WB: We won't be sure until we either a) get our little statues or b) are enshrined in a museum.
DF: Yeah, we haven't gotten our Grammys yet.
WB: Then we could make a strict, straight-ahead comparison between the two. You understand that we, personally, are not going to be enshrined in a museum, right?
DF: Do you get some sort of award at the Hall Of Fame? Some sort of acknowledgment? Something that you can keep at home?
WB: I'll tell you this, I'm planning on getting a receipt for the 600 boxes of Swedish ginger cookies.
O: For all you know, it's like that Vincent Price movie House Of Wax...
DF: Right, where they actually use the...
WB: ...the humans, to pour the wax on. I find that to be a disturbing metaphor.
DF: You know, I think that was the first movie to ever be released in 3-D. Certainly one of the first.
O: It's only a matter of time before you re-master all the Steely Dan albums again in 3-D, so you have to wear glasses to listen to them.
DF: That's right.
WB: We applaud the development of any new format that means our old albums may possibly be resold.
O: You just need to keep inserting minor track-listing errors.
WB: We tried that. We'd like to point out that those early albums with the track-listing errors are real collectors' items now.
O: Because you took a long Steely Dan break throughout the '80s, you managed not to date yourselves. You didn't have the drum machines or cheesy production.
WB: We didn't have those haircuts, either.
O: How does it feel to go to the Grammys and sit with a whole new generation of music-makers who weren't even around then, let alone during the '70s?
WB: We wouldn't know, because we had Tony Bennett on one side of us and Hugh Hefner on the other.
O: Did they put you in the old-guy section?
WB: I'm beginning to wonder.
DF: Hugh Hefner had these seven blondes sitting around him. The thing I want to know is, couldn't he get girls whose hair wasn't made of the same thing their face is made of? Is that some kind of girl Play-Doh or something?
WB: Girl-Doh, it's called.
DF: Yeah, Girl-Doh.
O: You're both East Coasters who have become associated with the L.A. sound. What is the L.A. sound?
DF: It's a lot different from what it used to be. To me, the L.A. sound has to do with alto-saxophone players with a really smooth tone, and the Gerry Mulligan-type arrangements. I'm so far behind that it's almost not worth talking about.
O: I was under the impression that Los Angeles sounded something like Fleetwood Mac.
DF: That's after our time. In terms of the L.A. sound, I would say the Shorty Rogers All-Stars.
WB: Shorty Rogers & The Jazz Giants.
DF: Yeah, and The Jazz Giants.
O: You guys have earned a reputation as studio perfectionists. You have all this new technology at your disposal, so do you feel that you have to go above and beyond to be more perfect now that digital technology allows you to be perfect by default?
DF: We always had the newest technology at our disposal. Our engineer even invented some of that technology. But I think that, although the technology may help you in areas of efficiency and so on, it actually doesn't help that much, musically speaking.
WB: You notice that music is not necessarily getting better and better.
DF: Right! [Laughs.]
WB: To put it mildly.
DF: If music followed the sophistication of the technology, we'd all be listening to Debussy right now.
O: The people who vote for the Grammys are also the engineers and producers, right? The behind-the-scenes people?
WB: I think to get a really accurate description of the voting system for the Grammys, you'd have to ask somebody else. But generally speaking, I think you're right.
DF: I have to say, I have no idea who votes for the Grammys.
WB: I don't, either. I'd be going on hearsay. That's a good question. It's something that your publication might want to explore at some point. Do you have any muckraking journalists over there?
O: We can rake a little muck.
DF: I think the Tri-Lateral Commissioner is involved somehow, and the Skulls.
O: It's a well-kept secret, lest the Grammys erode what little authenticity they possess.
WB: I don't think they're worried about that.
DF: It's so arbitrary. The Album Of The Year category, putting rap albums up against pop albums up against things like Radiohead. It's kind of a genre mishmash that makes it all meaningless.
O: Now that you tour, some of that mystique you built up throughout the '70s may be dissipating, now that people can see that actual human beings are playing this music.
WB: I don't think anybody who's actually seen us perform would mistake us for human beings.
DF: It begins to erode, the first couple of years you go out, but then it begins to build up a different mystique. Like, "How did they get so good?"
O: You did play a lot of your own music on the last album, even though you have every session musician in the world at your disposal. Why the change?
WB: We wanted to keep the session bread. Every penny counts, you know?
O: How did touring this last time out compare to touring in the early '70s?
WB: Well, I don't think we were actually driving around in cheap rented station wagons with the whole band in the station wagon.
O: What did you do when you weren't touring in the '70s? Watch a lot of TV?
WB: We made records.
DF: That was actually our most productive period, I think. We were in the studio almost the entire '70s. We put out Royal Scam, and Katy Lied, and Aja, and Gaucho, so that took a while. In the '80s, we also did solo albums, record productions, movie scores, and shows.
O: But you haven't exactly fostered a reputation for being prolific.
DF: I actually was fairly prolific. We just chose not to work in the Steely Dan arena for a while.
O: What is the difference between you two collaborating together not as Steely Dan and you two collaborating together as Steely Dan?
WB: We did a couple of solo albums that we both worked on. Generally, what happened is that one of us wrote the songs for his own album, and then the other came along and sort of helped him actually record it.
DF: It depends on what point the other guy enters the picture.
WB: I think that the Steely Dan record we just made, we sort of worked on from the inception together. That's the difference.
O: This might be heresy, but I think that some of your greatest artistic achievements have been your web site, and even your liner notes.
DF: Thanks a lot.
O: It seems like you put a lot of work into what you post on the Internet.
WB: It's another vehicle that gives us occasion to express this or that, or respond to things happening around us.
DF: We usually write them in between things, like at the end of the day, when we've been writing songs and we run out of steam, so we start writing some diatribe about something. We wrote a lot of them on airplanes during the tour.
WB: It's another way to add some texture to your artistic persona.
DF: It's more fun than Parcheesi, you know?
O: How does the collaborative process work on lyrics or longer essays?
DF: I think that if we're writing songs, I'll start the musical thing rolling. With lyrics, I think it's quite often Walter, and also some of the prose stuff. And then there are other things we do pretty much on our own. We just sort of go up and read it to the other guy, and maybe the other guy will fix it up or sign off on it.
O: The amazing thing about the Internet is that anything you do becomes available instantly.
DF: And for free, too.
O: That's unique in the world of rampant merchandising. Also, it doesn't go out of print or need to be re-mastered.
DF: Right.
O: But the downside is that you can't reissue it.
WB: We'll see about that.
DF: It can certainly be repackaged. Or revised. It's been optioned by filmmakers.
O: The Steely Dan Internet movie?
WB: What a great idea. We're got to start working on the treatment.
O: You've been very quick to embrace DVD Audio, which hasn't quite caught on yet. They do sound good, though. Do you think that will be the next sound revolution?
WB: It could be. I think it depends on whether the public really embraces it for its own sake, or as a by-product of the fact that people are buying DVD machines with the surround-sound setups to watch movies on.
DF: Our engineering staff—Roger Nichols and Elliot Scheiner—has been encouraging us to convert everything to DVD.
O: Neil Young was always one of the digital detractors, but apparently he loves DVD Audio.
DF: That's funny. I think that shows how arbitrary his acclaim or criticism can be.
O: I think he doesn't like the mid-range on CDs, but he does on DVDs.
DF: I wonder if DVD has more of a mid-range for some scientific reason?
O: Not that the human ear can ever really tell. Some people still prefer vinyl.
WB: Those people have never actually mastered their album on a vinyl record. The difference between the audio... When we mixed this album, we mixed it in the high sample-rate format and in the regular CD sample rate, and the high sample-rate format did sound better. In fact, we used that to generate the master tape for the CD. But it was a very subtle degree of improvement. It might have been the performance.
DF: The people still stuck on the vinyl thing fit into one of the DSM [Diagnostic And Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders —ed.] categories: schizotypal.
O: Or maybe they're just afraid to replace their old collections. You're on a roll right now, so I don't think there's an obvious next step for you to take, except maybe a book or a movie.
WB: We could be knighted, or something like that.
O: Can Americans be knighted?
DF: They can start doing that.
WB: They can renounce their citizenship, and then be knighted. Look, obviously this is the time for us to be honored by one and all.
DF: There's this concept in the Hawaiian Islands, where Walter hails from these days, called pau hana time. [Sort of like Happy Hour. —ed.] That's the time period we're in right now.
O: Don't they throw you into an active volcano at the end?
WB: No, usually you just pass out.
O: Do you have any messages for the youth of today?
DF: We keep thinking that one day we should write sort of a "how to live" book for teenagers and college students. With all the wisdom that we have accrued through the years, put down in a series of chapters. So maybe we should hold off until then.
WB: How about "clean up your room."
DF: Yeah, Clean Up Your Room. That would be a good title. Remember that book that came out a few years ago, How Proust Can Change Your Life? This will be like How Steely Dan Can Change Your Life.
WB: The Steely Dan survival guide."
Posted by: Alkali, NYCRock and Roll die-hards wouldn’t consider Steely Dan a rock and roll band.
With the possible exception of a handful of songs i.e. “Reeling”, “Show biz”, “Don’t take me alive” etc.
Jazz purists wouldn’t consider them a Jazz band either, again with the possible exception of a handful of tunes i.e. “ Bodi”, “YGT2”, “Doc Wu”, “W.O.H.” etc.
I mean let’s be honest here, judging by there hits only, you can’t categorize them as neither Rock nor Jazz but eclectic.
My favorite intros (in order):
1) “Green earrings” (my favorite Steely Dan tune, I can’t say enough about it)
2) “Pretzel logic” (makes my head and body twist in the most unusual way)
3) “Abbie” (love the way Becker "fools around" in it with his guitar)
4) “Fire”
5) “Trans Island”
6) “Boston rag”
7) “Daddy” (great guitar layering)
8) “I.G.Y.”
9) “Snowbound”
10) “YGT” (this intro actually seems to talk)
11) “Home at last”
12) “Don’t take me”(nice and raw)
13) “YGT2”(that baby drum solo is genius)
14) “Dirty work”
15) “Babylon”
16) “Book of Liars”
17) “Peg” (what a hook this intro has)
18) “Josie”
19) “E.M.G.”
My favorite outros (in order):
1) “Haitian Divorce” (this one should go on longer!)
2) “My old school” (nice outro solo, I love when the drums are re-introduced at the end!)
3) “Throw back” (just seems to acknowledge a finality, like a cigarette after a roll in the hay)
4) “Black Cow”
5) “Aja” (Gadd is God)
6) “Royal Scam”
7) “Green Earrings” (spacey)
8) “Bad Sneakers” (this is such a mood inspiring song throughout, very mellow almost morose)
9) “New Frontier”
10) “Surf/Die” (those chants somehow fit perfectly)
11) “Peg”
12) “Gina”
Someone mentioned the intro and/or outro to “Hey nineteen” I’ve never liked that tune much, that said here’s an interesting bit of trivia about it:
JULY 2002 John Belushi died before he could make “Hey Nineteen”, a movie based on the hit song by Steely Dan.
— February Razor
http://www.citynewsstand.com/Things.htm
Peace
Posted by: Ann, Fantasy IslandThanks HLTB,
.....for reminding us all about what it's all about in here!! And for your great selections!
Ann
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Noone seems willing to accept the fact that Steely Dan are a rock band AND jazz band-they're an EVERYTHING band because they can use everything! They have no essential style, although some songs may be based on an individual world.
Ptuh-'more mu-isms to laugh at' is going a little harsh. C'mon, we all love and respect our buddy the good doctor here in candytown, and even if you, or anybody else, disagrees with something somebody else put-IT'S A MATTER OF OPINION NOT A CHALLENGE! Mu is just stating a point that he agrees with, because that's the great thing about Dandoms Bluebook-you can say what you thinkabout what you want.
Best intro/outro-I'm gonna choose one song from each Steely Dan album (11 tracks of whack, kamakiri and nightfly not included then)...
CBAT-Intro: Do it again
Outro:Dirty Work
Countdown-Intro:Bodhisattva
Outro: Showbiz kids
Pretzel Logic-Intro:Rikki don't lose that number
Outro: Night by night
Katy Lied-Intro:Any World
Outro: Any World 9AGAIN!)
Scam-Intro:Kid Charlamagne
Outro:Royal Scam
AJA-Intro:Black Cow
Outro:Home at Last
Gaucho-Intro: My Rival
Outro: Hey 18
TAN-Intro: jack Of speed
Outro:Two against nature
EMG-Intro:Green Book
Outro: Pixileen
See y'all
Posted by: SS, HKPaul C.....
Indeed a good piece in the Onion...and this quote from it to further the debate on who writes what:
DF: I think that if we're writing songs, I'll start the musical thing rolling. With lyrics, I think it's quite often Walter, and also some of the prose stuff. And then there are other things we do pretty much on our own. We just sort of go up and read it to the other guy, and maybe the other guy will fix it up or sign off on it.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfAnd Ptuh, if you feel comfortable affixing any sort of tag or description to what Don and Walt do, then that's a bit off. No pair defies convention like these two. Calling them a "rock and roll" band is akin to calling John Wayne a "dude."
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfMu, there's nothing in the Mojo article about Walter Becker, because Walter Becker wasn't in the Tangerine Puppets. I just offered the magazine as an example because it was something you could find at the nearest mall.
Again, there is nothing there because Walter Becker was never in the band. If he played with Adler, fine, but until Walt mentions something about it yay or nay, I'm going to believe the solid evidence to the contrary -- as opposed to Adler's one-off line.
Also, the Debussy quote goes to Fagen. This article was offline for a few years, but the Onion has been trying to pump their "A/V" section up a bit, so it's around online:
http://avclub.com/content/node/22760
One of the finer Q and A's of the post-NY R+SR era.
Posted by: Ptuh!, more "Mu-isms" to laugh at"That's the point - SD isn't simply a rock and roll band. If you think that, you're on the wrong board." (Doctor Mu)
Yeah Doc... and if you think SD is nothing more than a wannabe Jazz band YOU'RE on the wrong board too. I'm sorry to hear that your life has become so mundane that you can't dig anything with a hint of edge to it. We've heard Steely Dan without it's Rock edge, at least enough to know that Steely Dan NEEDS it's Rock edge. I can't believe that D&W let this project slip to the point Soft Jazz oblivion. Still, EMG made a statement of sorts. "Godwacker" and "Lunch With Gina" are indications that the edge is back Doc, against your will apparently, but nevertheless IT'S BACK, and I can think of more than a few fans who are happy about that.
Good luck with your 50 year old jazz records Doc. Let us know how it works out for ya okay?
Posted by: FP, YoBest intro?
#1 Bad Sneakers
#2 Don't Take Me alive
#3 Hey 19
Posted by: Morph , one of my nine livesAnyone ready to discuss the new CD? What it will or will not be?
Posted by: Doc Mu, Paul: You refused to ante up, which leads me to believe there's not much else there. Couldn't find much besides Boss and White Stripes on the Mojo website.
That's the point - SD isn't simply a rock and roll band. If you think that, you're on the wrong board. Rock and roll is generally no longer my cup of tea. Just doesn't fill the niche it did in my early 20s. In a sense my musical tastes have drifted back toward jazz over the past 25 years - stuff I used to hear on Chicago radio when I was very, very young where they'd play Johnny Hartman/Trane, blues artists and some of my Dad's collection like Brubeck, Ellington (not the Ray Conniff stuff).
Would you soup cans again when their are cell phones? Cheetos and hot dogs when there's Northwest salmon with Napoleon sauce.? It's all good Older...who's to judge better? - and we've gone to great lengths to point out that Dan as evolved over the years, although they began as old souls in a sense compared with their compatriots. If i want 3 chords and a cloud of dust, the first 2 Ramones' albums are still in the cabinet.
I'll give or paraphrase you a Becker quote: "If music went the way of technology, we'd all be listening to Debussy right now."
Before the internet, Creem, Mojo, RS served a useful function to scope out potential rumors related to Dan and Fagen sessions in the 80s that fizzled out and other news bits. We're not talking Johns Hopkins or even US News and World Report level research
What's that darn Sweet book say?
m.e. Yes, the Gaucho outtro which recapitulates the verse melody is spectacular, particularly the very end. It also may be one of the best engineered 30 sec of pop music ever.
I like the EMG intro that essentially uses the bridge melody after that horn blast with 3 degrees of separation from Coltrane...clever, and although not a novel trick, it's done really well
leakers e if you dare
Posted by: Maestro Morrocone, good, bad & uglyGreen Flower Street for best bee-bop ending, Daddy Don't Live for classiest country/blues out, With a Gun for bluegrass, Gina for funky jazz, and Haitian Divorce for skanky 70s reggae/blues coda.
Posted by: moray eel, theAnn: Best Ending?
1. Maxine
2. Gaucho
3. Bodhisattva
Worst:
1. With A Gun
2. Monkey In Your Soul
3. Janie Runaway
m.e.
Posted by: Alex Trebek, CanadaNo, I'm sorry, the correct answer is "C"!
Steely Dan is a spice used in holiday feasts.
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Posted by: Ernie, Hey Bert!You're wrong. NYB is right when he says that Steely Dan is a Rock band with a penchant for Jazz. I've known NYB a long time. I mean a REALLY REALLY LONG TIME, and the man is a genius! Actually a super genius. More specifically, he's a Steely Dan savant! But above all he's humble. Really, really humble...
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Nah and Elmo, you're both wrong. Steely Dan doe snot base itself on any particular style, but Becker and Fagen are both eager and willing to use a wide and wonderfull range of styles to create some really great stuff.
They are not a jazz, blues, rock or ANY special style band. They are EVERYTHING, because a one trick pony aint gonna last the show.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf"Paul: Nice try. I READ Mojo and Rolling Stone in my early 20s. Perhaps when you reach 30, you'll understand. They're both crap whether geared towards 35-65 arrested adolescents or not. It's circle jerk entertainment pretending to be something more - but give me a Gibson novel or PK Dick short stories instead of faux underground collegiate pseudo-intellectualism (go directly to Ben Folds' song Underground). Teen Beat - that's for 11-14 year old girls (if it's still around). A bit off 20 "
Oh, and get off your high horse.
You're on a website arguing about a rock and roll band. You can't try to reconcile that while claiming to be above "circle jerk entertainment" like rock and roll magazines?
Do you think this site or Al's is any more intellectually relevent then a music magazine with Eric Clapton on the cover? Get over yourself.
Either go full on with reading Gibson/Dick in your den, and leaving the message boards dedicated to rock and roll bands, or quit with the "I'm too good for this" shit.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfBut, for the second time, there are TP freaks that have spent years researching the band, even outlining detailed gigographies, oral histories from people who have or just who claim to have seen them live, missives from band members and Tommy/Johnny themselves.
The ONLY blip on the TP radar screen that Walter Becker had anything to do with was the Adler comment from a year and a half ago. One Spirit site picked it up, and that was it. The Nuggets/Kaye freaks have gone out of their way detailing the band's time spent on earth and hasn't found a lick of evidence supporting Adler's single throwaway claim (repeated nowhere else) that Becker was in the group -- at any point.
So, believe what you want, but many people with more "time and $" have already left that fanciful idea behind.
I offered up Mojo as a nice and accessible way for you to catch up, a quick trip to your local chain bookstore would save you the trouble, and you dismissed it with a Bill'ish tone. Your loss. If you want to let Mr. Adler continue to feel better about his own legacy, go ahead.
I'll believe the people who have actually done the research.
(and I'll let you know when we come across some verified boots)
Posted by: Doc Mu, Paul: Nice try. I READ Mojo and Rolling Stone in my early 20s. Perhaps when you reach 30, you'll understand. They're both crap whether geared towards 35-65 arrested adolescents or not. It's circle jerk entertainment pretending to be something more - but give me a Gibson novel or PK Dick short stories instead of faux underground collegiate pseudo-intellectualism (go directly to Ben Folds' song Underground). Teen Beat - that's for 11-14 year old girls (if it's still around). A bit off 20
???Becker was in MULTIPLE bands pre-Dan including Jay and the Americans, half the bands at Bard with Dr. Fagen, and others in Queens. Walter as a potential member of Savoy Brown does not preclude other bands however long or short lived including Tangerine Puppets. I guess from your garbled reply that Dr. Becker did NOT say he never was in a band with the future Ramones in the Mojo article.
It appears you understand as much about this as the Clippers this year. The keys are Dunleavy Sr coach, MVP candidate Brand, Cassells, Maggette, and young Livingston. They are playoff bound without crippling injuries and will remain the best team in LA.
Posted by: Here comes, The H- GangElmo--You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Not everyone here is named Long Island Bill
Posted by: Nah, GrumpuslandNo, SteelyDan is a
1)jazzrock band that plays jazzrock - note, that jazz is upfront, and the rock is in the back, just as you like it.
2)a person.
3)spice used in holiday feasts.
Posted by: Elmo, nobody rocks like a Sesame Street puppetSo I guess we're all in agreement that Steely Dan is basically a ROCK band with Jazz leanings? I knew I'd win you over eventually...
Posted by: Alkali, GothamYGK: I love Miles Quartet, I know that his quintet was wildly more popular and important; but give me a small Miles Davis group and I’m very happy.
Unfortunately it didn't last, I believe the year was 1953 and he was amazingly busy during the early 50’s. Have you ever heard “Smooch”? Wow, it’s a Mingus original and although I can’t help not liking Mingus overall, this tune is great.
The second quartet (Miles Davis, trumpet; Horace Silver, piano; Percy Heath, bass; Art Blakey, drums.) I like less except for “Blue Haze” which is exceptional, IMHO, Silver’s solo at the end is haunting.
DOC MU: I agree with you about “Abbie” the intro is maybe their best; and the Dan have a sundry of perfect intro’s i.e. “Home at last”, “Pretzel logic”, “Boston rag” etc.
"E.M.G." intro is great too; it says this is the grand finale, without uttering a word!
oddly enough, if you eliminate the intro, the tune still works; to a lesser extent but it still works.
I disagree that “W.O.H.” is too long; the soloist (Potter) is just not the right choice. If it were physically possible I would love to hear what Phil Woods would have done here.
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Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfMu --
"Mojo? People over 20 read that rag? Don't have time or $ to waste on Mojo. You'll have to provide evidence - like a quote from Walter, since most if not all of the Ramones are Dead."
Not your finest hour, here.
Mojo is the best music magazine out there. They consistently weave in info on new music acts with the best of the 1955-1990 era. If you're confusing it for some Tiger Beat "rag" or some such, then I feel sorry for you. Go to SD.com: the best re-printed article on Don and Walt that they have on that site was from a cover story on the Two from 12 years ago. Cover story. Don and Walt ... on the cover. You know, what Rolling Stone DIDN'T do.
Read the latest issue, with Eric Clapton on the cover (white suit, playing the red Les Paul George Harrison gave him), and read the Ramones bio. No mention of Walter Becker. Plenty of quotes from Mr. Adler, who gives a detailed history on Tommy/Johnny's time in the Puppets. Cummings was in and out, effectively ending the group after one gig by hitting a girl on the head with his bass (which he played back then).
There are several online communities dedicated to Nuggets-era music, mainly American-era garage rock, and we've been slaving over Puppets news for years. There have been rumors as to TP recordings (yet to surface) that have kept most of us interested.
Dismissing 'Mojo' outright with a "People over 20 read that rag? Don't have time or $ to waste on (it)" comment is unseemly and unlike you. Don't stoop to that, just because you don't know who you're conversing with, and the facts don't support the history that you'd like to believe. The magazine is designed for the 35-65 year-old reader in mind, so you sound pretty clueless when you spout off crap like that.
And asking me to find a quote from Walter Becker over whether or not he was in TP is moronic, and you know that. Based on that line of thinking, I could state that "Walter Becker, for a time, was the drummer in Savoy Brown -- and I will continue to believe and state this until you find me a quote from him insinuating otherwise."
Posted by: Doc Mu, Ann: Best outtro (preferably without a fade-out) - good list
I personallly LOVE the way Nightfly falls apart and the synth rise into the star-studded cold night sky
Greenflower Street ranks up there.
New Frontier and Walk Between Raindrops have classic late 50s resolutions
One of the best is the outtro to Gaslighting Abbie. IMHO, the outtro in live version was the highlight of Plush
Lunch with Gina outtro in the same vein - great horns!!!
You can't beat Pixeleen. Bill Charlap went on such an amazing piano run that the rest of the band just stopped flabergasted letting the song fall apart...and that was the take. #1
Ted Baker makes the outtro to Greenbook delicious
I Dig Weiskopf in the EMG title track outtro. About a minute too SHORT!!!
Although Potter is an amazing player, West of Hollywood is about a minute too LONG! Like the VERY END with the Wurly.
Geez, and how about that incredible outtro to Negative Girl. I believe that's Hugh McCracken on the major guitar licks
While the intro to Godwhacker is awesome, the outtro is just plain Bad. About a minute too long with NO fadeout preferable.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Bush whacker-don't diss showbiz kids! That song stands up to ALL Steely Dans standards, although your ideas sound pretty smart overall.
The jackasses in washington could use a guy like you, which is exactly why you'll never be let into politics!
Ann-I have to put either Nightfly or Pretzel Logic down as Steely Dans worst albumns, and Everything must go probably ha to be their best.
Will morph be better?
I sure believe it so.
Posted by: Ann, Fantasy IslandClas:
Not sure about US English bit in my part of the world it just means eating a meal.
OK....this has probably been done before...but to while away the many frustrating hours over the Christmas hols and until Feb...let's see if anyone would like to contribute to the SD "best and worst" outros competition (excluding fade-outs, which are a total cop out anyway)....ok, I know it's a bit sad, but ..............
My prize for the worst has to be the Nightfly. I'm still working on the best.
Ann
Posted by: Bush-Whacked, We clearly have misunderestimated Mr. Fagen. We now intend to appoint him head of NSA - they can't even find the right studio!. While Mr. Fagen's secretive strategies are terrible at selling records, they would be perfect at squashing al Qaeda.
Our new plan to get the enemy to divulge the wherebouts of Osama, Zawahiri, Zarqawi by using more effective pshychological techniques with Mr. Fagen in charge
"torture is the main attraction
I don't need that kind of action"
Brand new research in a secret Avatar underground studio shows that we can break any Muslim terrorist in less than 24 hours by playing Show Biz Kids and Kathy Berberian roulades over and over.
Back together with bandmate Skunk "Nookyular" Baxter, we anticipate defeating al Qaeda and freedom ringing in the Middle East before the Summer Tour!!
Posted by: YGK, ....Alkali: a Quartet has, like, um, 4 guys, a Quintet has, um, like, 5. Also, Miles couldn’t play as fast because he was a major smack and coke head – years of abuse will take its toll. Some of his last records were some of his lamest, IMHO.
In Steely Dan parlance, I think adding Herington and Weiskopf to the lineups were/are brilliant moves……
And the portions of the DanFanNovel which I have read are quite enjoyable….
ygk
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?I wonder what Fagens hiding, and what Bush Whacked is trying to find...
Posted by: Last Call, to do your shoppingPeter Q- What makes you more money? Dan Fan Novel or passing out LT flyers?
Posted by: PQ, NYCWhy Ramona at peterq.net of course. And as long as you keep making me rich I don't care what you do with it, LOL.
Posted by: Clas @ Work, ---
Voice in the Wilderness - well, the book is written in American English and it says "nosebag" (it was written back in the 50's).
My point was; "having the nose/feedbag on" is slang for having a giant meal, isn't it?
---/C
Posted by: Peter Q-Tip, Where can I buy your novel?I need it for my torn paper collage Christmas cards.
Ramona
Posted by: moray eel, bad...and I think i know why the wiretaps in "Avalon" studio didn't work. Fagen was recording in "Avatar". But at least we knew where the weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq... right?
m.e.
Posted by: moray eel, pennBushWhack: If you get the new Fagen, you should out it like the name of a CIA agent.
Posted by: Bush-Whacked, Bring it on!!!
I've been trying to wiretap Avalon studios and the 3 Fagen estates, but Cheney and I got nothin.' This is tougher than penetrating al Qaeda or scoring some fine Colombian while in the Oval Office.
Needless to say, our intelligence on Pennsylvvania Ave is lacking... in more ways than one!!
Leak Away!
Posted by: Here come the leakers!, CHItownHere come the leakers about the Donald's new one.
So, you guys want the low down or do you not want the low down.
This board is like Goldie Locks & The 3 Bears, but even more cynical
"You know their gonna love it, Peg"
Smile for the camera
Posted by: gagi, europeat least, i found the missing gaucho outtakes at
megaupload.de
i`m very satis-fried now
Posted by: gagi, europeman in the bright nightgown,
seems that you've got the cat-tracks.
do me a favor,
send me a 30 second teaser,
for the recreation of my mind...
Posted by: Doc Mu, PQ: The fact is that both Miles and SD have used both young raw, young seasoned, and older experienced sidemen. There's no doubt each sought quality and professional musicianship in their recordings. Dan's recordings are by necessity far more structured around pop songs with lyrics - more like Duke Ellington than Miles Davis
Man, Web, PQ: OK, OK sounds like Aja/Nightfly, tastes like chicken, more sophisticated, more guitar shredding, more, more more...you all better be right or I'll come and pluck your hearts out and flavor with oregano and fava beans... ;-)
kinda glad the spammers have moved from porno to ED to gambling
Posted by: Man in the Bright Nightgown, LurkingMorph blows away Kamakiriad. Can't truly compare it to Nightfly. 2 separate concept albums. Nightfly is about optimism. Morph is about death and resignation. Morph is a million times more sophisticated than Nightfly, and it rocks a million times more than Kamakiriad. And it's nice to see DF re-discovered real guitar solos again.
Posted by: Web- Cast, I love Mary!Peter Q- I have to agree with the those "Morp the Cat" sideman about what they said. From the cuts I heard they are absolutely correct.
The Webmister
Posted by: PQ, NYCWeber any time you want to come over with the adults and discuss it , feel free. Still going strong. And yeah the five people on Morph The Cat who have spoken with me about it face to face have assured me it's the bomb, thanks.
Posted by: Web-cast, not BrooklynFritz- I really doubt that McDonald said that on "the record". Where can I read this? Or, where did you read this?
I see that Peter Q is back making a fool of himeslef once again. I think working those long hours on Carlock's street team has done him in for good. Funny how we don't hear about "Danfan Novel" anymore. You really did a good job with that one Peter.
Posted by: PQ, NYCMu you're flying off the handle. I didn't say Miles discovered every musician on every album. Also, again, these guys *played gigs*, understand?
Posted by: gagi, europeMaestros, where can i get "Kind Spirit" & "The Bear"?
Posted by: Doc Mu, PQ: Give me a break. Look at the lineup on Miles' FIRST major release: Birth of the Cool
Gil Evans
Gerry Mulligan
Max Roach
Kai Winding
JJ Johnson
john Lewis
Lee Konitz
Junior Collins
Al Haig
Joe Schulman
Nelson Boyd
Sandy Siegelstein
Jazz HOF'ers and in contrast Skunk is an expert on nukes!!
The best Milies recordings are the other Gil Evans collaborations, Kind of Blue (naturally and especially:
Cookin' with the Miles Davis Quintet and other 1956 sessions
That quitnet on Cookin' was
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
Red Garland
Paul Chambers
Philly Joe Jones
My Funny Valentine, Blues by Five, Airegin, Tune-up are as good as it gets. If you don't have this one - get the 50th Anniversary Edition on Fantasy/Prestige that Rudy van Gelder remastered!
From the mid 60s onward, let's face it...Miles was plain nuts... great stuff, but nutso
Mojo? People over 20 read that rag? Don't have time or $ to waste on Mojo. You'll have to provide evidence - like a quote from Walter, since most if not all of the Ramones are Dead.
Posted by: gagi, europesorry for that!
Posted by: gagi, europei forgot, star people, from 1980 or so, is very good too!
Posted by: gagi, europei love miles "get up with it" from 1974.
it's form the electric period.
i don't like so much the later works, "man with a horn" and beyond.
Posted by: Fritz Kreisler, PensavaniaMy 2 cents:
It depends on the musician; there are plenty of musicians who retain their chops, or in many cases improve them, as they get older, and there are plenty who don't. Has to do with (credit to NYB) WILL, that's all.
PQ, are you really disparaging the 50s quintet before Cannonball and with Philly Joe Jones instead of Jimmy Cobb, or was that an oversight?
Alkali, I'm pretty sure those groups MD had before the great 50s quintet were essentially "thrown-together" studio groups for the purpose of recording only. Miles didn't really have what you could call a "group" of his own at the time of the recordings you mentioned. Those kaleidoscopically personnel-shifting ensembles were all-too-common during those days of bop and early hard bop.
I don't think Miles got "better" after 1970, but he certainly didn't lose it, either. He was one of those aforementioned musicians who retained all of it as he aged, at least up to the mid-1980s or so.
Gagi: Michael McDonald is on record as preferring Kamakiriad to Nightfly.
I love Kama, but not quite as much as I love Nightfly.
Hmmm...interesting--probably my FAVORITE song on Kama is "Florida Room," although I love 'em all. Least favorite? Don't think I have a least favorite on that WUNDERBAR album.
Posted by: artek, USAAre you bee in artek children race?
Posted by: PQ, NYCIt may interest you to know that Miles was incompatible with John Lewis and Percy Heath (of MJQ) because they were interested in playing a kind of baroque chamber jazz that he had no interest in. Much like Warne Marsh, let's say, though I know if not for the contingency that B&F produced a Warne Marsh album he would be an "Obscure jazz musician" or "name dropping" here, LOL.
Lastly, this week at the Allen Room @ Jazz at Lincoln Center Barry Harris (b. 1929) and Hank Jones (b. 1918) played a program of piano duets. I'm sure they, asd well as the audience that gave them about 4 standing ovations, would be very interested in your remarks about elder players.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCPQ: yes. that's what i'm saying.
everyone knows about his quintet, sextet, nanotet, tentet and whatever.
Miles Davis in a small group is overlooked.
period.
his playing on "Tune Up" while trading fours with Roach is the opitome of cool.
or "Miles Ahead" what an incredible player he was in a small group.
i listen to his quartet as much as his other tets.
i'm listening to him right now and although the sound quality isn't great, it doesn't matter because Miles makes his point regardless.
my original post and point was that musicians, like everyone else, break down and can only hope to compose rather than play in their latter years.
A
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf"Wasn't it Johnny Ramone (John Cummings) who was in that band Tangerine Puppets with Walter Becker?"
Umm, no.
Read the latest issue of Mojo. My apologies to anyone who believed that claptrap.
Posted by: PQ, NYCAlkali in the interest of clarity, you appear to be saying that the quartet Miles had with the MJQ members you listed, for a very short time, is the band that has sealed his reputation ahead of the sextet with Trane and Cannon and the quintet with Shorter and Hancock, is that what you're saying?
Posted by: PQ, NYCWell that's true the core band on the first 2 albums were novices, although even on those albums you have sesoned players like Jerome Richardson and Snooky Young; and fucking Ray Brown is on CTE. Afte that, forget it. No more schoolboys.
More to the point: SD rehearses thr band up the wazoo, composes set lists, and they have charts on the stage. Several members of the last touring band have remarks on their own sites about the charts, you can look it up. You can't in your wildest dreams imagine B&F hiring a player, not rehearsing, not having charts - not even telling him the songs - and just saying, "Play what you hear." Nope. Sorry. Miles is a completely different order of magnitude.
Posted by: Doc Mu, ?????? uhhhh Peter, when Michael McDonald was hired for the Pretzel Logic tour it was his FIRST big gig in LA, after moving from St. Louis where his career had been singing in smoke-filled bar. The 1974 tour is where he earned his began to earn his rep, with young gun, Jeff Porcaro...and livened up Katy Lied with his trademark soulful background vocals. I'm surprised they didn't have him sing lead on a song or two - he would hae been perfect for Any World (where he has salso contributes amazing background vocals.
Jeff Porcaro's only real professional experience was touring with Sonny & Cher in Vegas before the Dan gig!!! The tour and the great performances on Pretzel Logic (2-3 tracks) and Katy Lied (9 of 10 tracks) led to a major contribution to Boz Scaggs' Silk Degrees (he co-wrote Lowdown and Lido Shuffle)
If I had to pick ONE radio-friendly pop single of the 70s, it would be Lowdown.
The CBAT band had chops but limited experience -
How much more naive do ya want them?...SD wasn't a friggin' punk band!! Even the Ramones' players had more experience!
or where they?...
Wasn't it Johnny Ramone (John Cummings) who was in that band Tangerine Puppets with Walter Becker?
yep
"TANGERINE PUPPETS (1966)
=======================
While living in Forest Hills on Long Island, Randy played for a short period of time in this group.
Other members of the band included Walter Becker (STEELY DAN), John Cummings (Johnny
Ramone of THE RAMONES), Tommy Erdelyi (Tommy Ramone of THE RAMONES).
Walter Becker has claimed that Randy taught him a lot about playing guitar.
It is not certain that everybody was in the same lineup of this band at the same time.
The band lasted (without Randy) until the summer of 1967."
http://www.bostream.nu/johanb/spirit/spirit_tree.html
Posted by: Alkali, NYCPQ:this the line up for the Miles Davis Quartet:
Miles Davis, trumpet; John Lewis, piano; Charlie Mingus, bass, piano Percy Heath, bass; Max Roach, drums.
GRETCHEN:Scaggs "fade into light" is cool.he's got a great voice, always liked him.
A
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Posted by: Gretchen, blissed out on prog rock..........SoH, thanks for the recommendation on Feist, interesting sound. The vocalist reminds me of Melanie's, a la "Brand New Key." By the way, have you checked out Boz Scagg's "Fade into Light," formerly available only in Japan? It's delicious, Boz's version of "Love TKO" is luscious...mmmm
Donald is another one who gets better, smoother, and more elegant with age. As far as Donald's solo efforts being inferior to SD as a whole, I have to disagree. His songs have a lot of emotion and sadness, however, he puts a cooler, braver spin on them as if his protagonists are better suited to stand up the face of adversity (example: Lester). His voice will be a beautiful light on the horizon of 2006.
G
Posted by: PQ, NYCMu look at the resumes of everyone you mentioned before they played with SD. Come on. It's not comparable.
Posted by: Doc Mu, PQ: WTF????
Michael McDonald was 21 when he joined the Steely Dan group
Jeff Porcaro was 18 or 19 on Pretzel Logic and Katy Lied
Skunk, Hodder, Palmer were all in their early 20s on CBAT
SD started with a pretty fresh group on TvN.
Keith Carlock was maybe 22 when we played the title track on TvN .
Michael Leonhart was 25 on TvN
Carolyn Leonhart was in her 20s on TvN
(and consider it took 3 years to record TvN
Ari Ambrose looks young as well as Rosenberg, young Feldman. Cynthia Calhoun was certainly a fresh face
Besides in the 1970s, what's wrong with 20-somethings wanting a little experience in the studio to play their odd numbers
Plenty of jazz and classical musicians are viable through their 60s and 70s...
It IS often the case that COMPOSERS often write themselves dry by age 40 in the Rock era, but there are plenty of examples to the contrary in standard American pop - Rodgers & Hammerstein, many of the show tunes legends
Posted by: Rajah, Go Hoops and Peter!
Posted by: PQ, NYCFirst of all Alakli Miles didn't have a quartet, he had a sextet and a quintet, the first with Cannonball, Trane, Bill Evans, Chambers, and Cobb and the second with Wayne Shorter, Tony Williams, Ron Carter and Herbie Hancock. Either one is a legend. Wayne Shorter introduced a style of composition on Neferiti that has never been seen before or since. Ever.
Second of all the idea that as a musician ages they lose their chops is nonsense. Hank Jones is like 85 years old hes still the greatest jazz pianist in the world. Roy Haynes in his 70s is still one of the 2 or 3 greatest drummers going.
The difference between Miles and, say, Steely Dan, is that SD uses musicians who already have long track records - in that respect they take no chances whatsoever. Everything is playedsafe. Miles *discovered* 18 year olds who became legends in their own right. When Miles hired Chick Corea to replace Herbie Hancock Chick said, "When do we rehearse?" Miles said We don't rehearse, just come to the gig. Chick got to the gig and said, Where are the charts? Miles said There are no charts, just play what you hear. See the difference?
Posted by: hoops, Assuming the last post is directed at my post earalier, that's not the case. I guess what I am saying with my heart and not my head is that the scales have been tipped such that Rock and Roll in at the very least the past decade or two has tipped so much in the favor of commercialism that the term no longer reflects the genuine spirit of those artists I mentioned. A long time ago it did So it's more of an emotional reaction. Another way to look at it is that recent Rock and Roll really isn't. But as I point out, Walter Becker would probably say I am wrong and that's the definitive response.
In short, I don't like what Rock and Roll has stereotypically beceome today but I do love what SD has become. And their sound is more than Rock and Roll.
Peace, bro or sis.
jim
Posted by: Yeah but, here's the problem...Somehow you're all saying that ROCK has no place in the music of Steely Dan. Which is ridiculous! I mean Steely Dan is more than just Jazz, Funk, Pop, and R&B right? It's alot of different genres all sewn together to make a specific musical statement right? And guess what, ROCK IS ONE OF THOSE GENRES! Therefore, while we Rock fans are entitled to our piece of the Steely Dan pie, YOU JAZZBO'S ARE HOGGING IT! Now back off the Steely Dan pie or we'll get the Jazzbo Swat Team in here to lock your asses up!
Posted by: hoops, I also think Miles didn't improve with age. I accept that some artists change with age and that, although I may personally may not like what they do later in their career, I think they have evolved. But I don't think this is the case with Miles Davis. To be sure I wasn't there, but seems like Miles Davis tried too hard to stay hip and cutting edge and it came out like the 50-something former babe who still tried to run around in capris and halter top and way too much makeup. But what do I know. I wasn't Miles Davis.
jim
Posted by: Alkali, GothamI disagree with the opinion that Miles got better with age.
he didn't.
he admited that he couldn't play as fast or improvise as quickly as before.his post 70's stuff showed the wares of age. during the later 80's and all of the 90's he was relegated to practicing endlessly for a few precious drops of that majic that used to come easily to him.
there probably will never be a quartet like the one he had.
a musician like an athlete suffers with age, the body breaks down.
the only thing that an aged athlete can hope for in the golden years is to coach.
the only thing a musician can hope for in the golden years is to compose.
Nightfly was about a young kid and the hope for a shiny future.
Kami was about the future.
S.D.'s last two efforts have been about the present.
that social commentary that had been their bread and butter during the 70's.
what can Morph be about? more of the same?
have they burned their bridges?
A
Posted by: hoops, Rock???? Sheesh! I cringe when I hear that word to describe music I love since it has become way too much about business and not enough about music. Van Morrison, a runner up to Steely Dan in my book of favs, really captured the spirit of this in his song "Raincheck:"
"It's not high finance, it's called heart and soul
If it's rock and roll, got to go, go, go, go, go"
His live album from the year before had the words "Blues," "Soul," "Ballads," and so forth but deliberately missing "Rock" or "Rock and Roll."
I really don't think of Steely Dan as Rock and Roll, just like I don't think of Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Elton John, Paul Simon, Stevie Wonder, Joni Mitchell and a few others as "Rockers." I think their music defies classification and is really not exactly one genre. When I hear people call SD or these others "Rock and Roll," I cringe, probably with a tad of inappropriate arrogance on my part, since what Van sang about in "Raincheck" is what I associate with Rock and Roll. It did bug me that some Jazz purists were upset when Steely Dan was on Piano Jazz. I get rankled when I see Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen filed in the "Folk" section of a record store. Point is those artists I mention make great music that transcends a specific genre and breaks the barriers of any specific label. And isn't that what music ultimately is about at its best?
Anyhow, unlike everyone else, I can't just scroll by, my job means I have to skim and that's what crossed my mind when I skimmed this thread.
All that said, and to show you how people can disagree, during a Steely Dan interview around the time of their "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" induction, Walter affirmed that Steely Dan is first and foremost a Rock and Roll band. So I am nutty enough to disagree with Walter on this :-) LOL
Also while skimming, it also hit me: I don't charge for this place and I do pay out of pocket some decent money to make sure we have a reliable hosting service; and I do take time throughout the day to make sure things are running smoothly. The only help I ask with this place is that you use the anon posting -- heck any posting -- with respect, even when you disagree. Posting as an anon and insulting people is pretty wimpy and insulting to me.
Posted by: Rajah , Don't ask them to access the dreams they don't have now.
Dreams change as you grow older, what mattered to you then doesn't mean a damn thing now.
It's all about now.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Whatever comes out of Steely dan HQ, whether it's rock, jazz-funk, Blues ect, I am CONFIDENT that it will be mixed in with as many styles of music as possible in as brilliant a way as possible.
Steely Dan can do it guys, they ALWAYS have done!
I am sure everyone is used to the predictable, undanlike rule of His Lordship (me) by now...
HAVE FAITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Sigmund Fraud, our time is almost upThere may be some merit to what you say, but I still believe that an artist who wants to say something will find a way to say it, no matter how old they are. The spirit drives the will and the will drives the body. People are able to do some pretty incredible things if THE WILL is there. You may be correct that it's hard to summon the will to do something when you have nothing left to prove. Still, I believe that music is an avenue for expression of the inner soul, and the inner soul can be a powerful thing, so powerful that the artist cannot deny it's urge to express itself. D&W will produce more rock based songs when THE WILL makes itself known. When that happens they'll be powerless to do otherwise.
In the meantime, I'll just bust thier balls until they develop the will to do it... That sounds reasonable doesn't it?
Posted by: Doc Mu, Lordship: Bingo!! How can the SoS be unpredictable!!?? WTF???!! Rock is inherehntly a boring medium, unless it can mixed with jazz, R&B, whateveah...everything that can be done with 3 chords and a cloud of dust has already been done.
While there will be that air of familiarity on Morph, I agree there will be fresh songs, clever ideas, something new as feast for the ears...
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Oh yeah, Gagi-I am ANOTHER person who prefers Kamakiri to nightfly.
The songs on Kamakiri seem smoother and have funkier beats than the ones on Nightfly. I like a good beat...
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?So the drivin rock that we're all used to would be new and unpredicatable.
Something there doesn't sound right.
Oh yeah-THAT WE'RE USED TO!
The problem with rock is that it is just to predicatable! Be a little more like me and have faith that 'morph' will sound like nothing we have ever heard before-and will sound brilliant.
Actually, try not to be like me, except on that point.
Posted by: Doy, No DoyAthletes are in competition with each other, duh, that's why when they get older they go downhill, duh. Musicians don't compete, doy. Athletes are in situations where they have to produce measureable, quanitifable results, double duh, musicians aren't, triple duh.
Posted by: gagi, europefine - seems that there is more than one person in the entire universe prefering kamakiri to nightfly.
although i wouldn't mind if i was...
drew,
i like all songs from kamakiriad (least of all, though, "florida room").
my favorite song changes from year to year (long time since 1993) - at present it is "springtime"...
where the party never ends...
Posted by: Rajah, Go fuck yourself.
Email me.
Posted by: ., Rajah- and you speak to much!
Posted by: Drew, San Luis ObispoI'll also put in a vote for Kamakiriad. "On The Dunes" and "Snowbound" are classic songs that I prefer to anything on "Nightfly". Becker on bass and lead guitar. What's there not to love?
-Drew
Posted by: Rajah, The Mule speaks the truth.
Posted by: fp, down on Green Streetgagi...Well actually you're the only person in the entire universe that prefers Kamakiriad to the Nightfly.
Posted by: Mule75, PhillyOk, so as to add my .02....I love Steely Dan and I think their shows are still among the best you can see nowadays (I hope they tour again). I just have some difficulty with the whole "musicians get better with age" thing. The sports analogy isn't crazy. Athletes' bodies break down over time. So do musicians' bodies, especially in the whacky world of rock n roll. Voices "usually" fade. Fagen doesn't sing the high notes like he did in his 20s because he CAN'T, not because he doesn't choose to (I am a professional singer, in the "young" end of my career, and I can't sing the high notes I could 10 years ago). Also, dexterity often breaks down and a musician is not ABLE to play as smoothly as he once did. This, of course, is not across the board, but it is a regular thing with MANY older musicians. Many 50 year old musicans also lack the fire they had in their 20s. When you've got something to prove, and you have to make a living, thats when some of the most inspired material is created. Just some observations..IMO Steely Dan has always been great. Are they better now?? I don't think so. They're just kind of different. I love the last 2 albums, but give me the "band" recordings of the first few albums and I am in heaven.
Posted by: gagi, europealkali:
i'm one of a small number of fans who prefere
kamakiriad to nightfly.
I`m sure, the new record would sound more like
kamakiriad.
p.s. funny that your girlfriend's name was gagi,
seems that this nick can be used for boys and girls...
Posted by: Voice in the Wilderness, Swedish libraryThat would be feedbag there, Lundquist, not nosebag.
Posted by: Doc Mu, NYDog:
I question the prremise that Steely Dan really ever ROCKED OUT a lot
There are only a handful of songs wheere they ROCK OUT, and a few are a stretch
Reelin' in the Years
Change on the Guard
Bodhisattva
Boston Rag
Night by Night
Black Friday
Kid Charlemagne
Don't Take Me Alive
Green Earrings (stretch)
Peg (more R&B than rock)
10/56 or 17.8% from CBAT through Aja album
I would include Cousin Dupree and maybe Janie Runaway from TvN
Most of their songs are Altered Blues, R&B influenced, adjusted funk, some mid-tempo jazz/rock influenced ocer weird jazz chord progression, jazz chops played on guitar....
Chuck Berry once sang:
"I’ve got no kick againt modern jazz,
Unless they try to play it too darn fast"
But that's EXACTLY what Steely Dan was/is about. Modern jazz with a backbeat played too darn fast...and it works.
Posted by: C, ---
I am proof-reading a book, and this came up; "Well, we put on the nosebag yesterday." It's literaly translated.
But it means "we had had a giant meal yesterday" or?
Let me know.
---/Clas
Posted by: ph, Miles Davis got better with age, and got more rockin' and got more cooler. Many musicians do get better as they get older, and ironically, this is especially true with jazz musicians. So there.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfOr "typos," even?
Posted by: Oh Boy..., correctionThat should be... THEY CAN ROCK BECAUSE THEY DO ROCK
(Hey even geniuses make typo's once in a while)
Posted by: Oh Boy..., Apologies R' UsOkay Dawg, ready to have your theory blown to bits? Alright then, let's do it...
Fact #1) THEY CAN ROCK BECAUSE THE DO ROCK.
Have you been to any of the SD concerts since 96'? If you have then you know that they HAVE performed many of thier rock-based songs in concert, AND HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF IT! They perfomed those songs so well that people were dancing in the aisles! So your contention that they can't do it anymore IS BOGUS. They certainly CAN do it, the only question is whether they have the WILL to do it. That's why I'm here, to help them develop the will to do it again. Hey, wasn't "Do It Again" one of the harder SD songs? :)
FACT #2) COMPARING AN ATHLETE TO A MUSICIAN IS STUPID.
Athletes lose thier athletic skill as they age. The body breaks down due to wear, tear, and injury. Skills are lost due to the body's inability to perform those movements anymore. An Athlete is pretty much done (competitively speaking) by thier early 40's. This is NOT TRUE of a musician... Musicians get better with age. Music is like arts & crafts, the more time you spend at it the better you get, the more tricks you learn, the more shortcuts you learn, the better you get. Jeff Baxter is a BETTER guitarist now than he was in 1972. That stands to reason, because he's has so much more time to learn the instrument and to discover new ways of playing it. Painters get better as they older, not vice-versa. You cannot compare the arts to the arena of sports as you trying to do here, it just doesn't work. Although I will admit that there is a certain "art" to playing a sport, it just isn't the same as music. So Fagen and Becker are quite capable of doing what they did before, EVEN BETTER THAN THEY DID IT BEFORE, but the will must exist to do it. They've got to WANT to. And all I'm doing is trying to force them to want to. I don't see anything wrong with that. :)
FACT #3) WITHOUT THE ROCK DIMENSION, THE LATER MUSIC SEEMS TO BE MISSING SOMETHING.
It's true. Steely Dan is basically a Jazz-ROCK band. You can't remove half of a house and still call it a "house" can you? No, it's gonna be "half a house" if you do that. That's why "Godwacker" and "Lunch With Gina" are so great, they put all the aspects of Steely Dan back together again! AND THEY PROVE THAT D&W CAN STILL DO IT. So let's stop this Jazz snobbery already okay? Because Jazz is only one aspect of thier music, it isn't the whole thing. Even if they want it to be. If they want it to be that way they should change the name to "The Donald Fagen Jazz Trio" and be done with it. Then at least they'll be adhereing to the truth in advertising laws.
Posted by: JoJo, Paul: Great analogy. Excllent post!
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfJordan, in his later years, also started to utilize his own skill set that allowed for him to thrive in a team setting. Don and Walt did the same thing on EMG.
And like Don and Walt in their greybeard years, Mike was under more scrutiny because of his age. Jordan may have missed a few dunks in his last two years after his comeback at age 39-40, but I PROMISE YOU that he didn't miss half as many dunks as he did when he was 23-28. I know, I have the game tapes. It's sad. Seriously, he didn't miss as many dunks, because he didn't attempt as many dunks. He filled in and contributed where he could, in a team setting. Donald's not going to try to hit that "is there gas in the car?!?" register as much these days, but the occasional "roll yer cart back up the aisle!" will do.
Jordan only looked bad in his later years by trying to act like the 25-year old he used to be. This didn't happen that often, only the 4-5 times in the comeback seasons where he let instinct take over and try to attack like he was a 25-year old. For the other 98 percent of the time, he understood his own athletic standing and played accordingly.
So far, Don and Walt's later years (the post-1991 run) has gone swimmingly). They've pulled off the "comeback" because they haven't tried to needlessly replicate their rockin' early years. To try to act like anything else but men their own age would be unseemly and wouldn't translate onto disc.
People may write off Jordan's last two seasons because he wasn't winning Most Valuble Player awards or leading his team to a championship. At his age, that wasn't in the offing. Don and Walt are doing the same thing. They're creating to the best of their abilities, using smarts and savvy where youthful bluster once worked -- and while the results may not be as entertaining as the music they created in their 20s, their methods are more admirable, and the tangible results of their work are just as timeless.
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Just Outside The Arc...Jordan actually developed the fade-away jumper when his air-circus skills diminished...The smooth, creamy, now-you-see-it, now you 3-it move that carried his career into a new genre...Just like our boys...Less air, more substance...
SoH
Posted by: Rajah, I am so with you KDawg.
Posted by: moray eel, kenMore info on Morph The Cat.
Ken Wessel plays on it:
http://noted.blogs.com/westcoastmusic/2005/12/jazz_guitarist_.html
m.e.
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniI can't believe are complaining about the recent albums of Steely Dan. It's too soft....too predictable. You know...tough. I see it as another phase of one's life. Most people don't do the same things they did 30 years ago and neither do they. Besides, I can't imagine those guys "rockin' out". Please. Think of it this way....a lot of the people that were around their age in the early 70's (mid-late 20's) are now the kind of crowd (mid-late 50's) that likes things a little easier. Is that wrong? No. Personal taste. I just wish people would stop ripping them. Another thought. Ever see an athelete try and do the same things they did in their younger days....doesn't work. Look at Michael Jordan. He defied the laws of gravity back in his prime, but as he was winding his career down, he missed dunk after dunk in a feable attempt to "recapture his youth". Looked bad and tarnished his legacy. You tellin' me that Becker/Fagen should jam with the electric guitars and blast the speakers? Hardly. Come on.....did people have such a fit with Aja? It was as soft and juicy as you could get....and yet it was full of great music that most fans consider their masterpiece. The next Fagen album will be fine....even if it doesn't please some of you.
K
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf"Kulee Baba" scares me half to death. Frightening shit, especially the full band version.
All those who go online to beg Don and Walt to re-enlist Carlton, Derringer, Skunk or Denny seem to forget that the first three players in that list are now boring as fuck, and Denny doesn't seem interested in playing much anymore.
And, I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time thinking of one respected player from the 60s and 70s that didn't trade in his fuzzbox for the idea of nuance and touch around the same time they started taking the mirror balls down. Richard Thompson, maybe. David Hidalgo? Robert Cray would be badass, but the last two guys made their biggest marks in the post-disco world.
Everyone else gets sold at Starbucks.
Posted by: µ, I've heard: nice email address......BASTARD!!!! lol
Swami sez an expansion of the direction started with the Gaucho outtakes: Can't Write Home About You, 2nd Arrangement, Kulee Baba in a trajectory past Comet Cole Porter, the Allan Holdsworth Wormhole, through the Nelson Riddle Nebula
Posted by: Alkali, NYCLet’s just hope that the new one sounds more like "Fly" that "Kami"
GAGI: I hope you're wrong.
That reminds me; I had a girlfriend that I used to call Gagi,
Is that you??
speaking of Girlfriend, I never liked that song...I don't hate it but, I don't like it either, know what I mean?
Just like 2vN, that’s a great tune except for the chorus!
It’s not very imaginative. I’m gonna play around with a splicer and cut the chorus out of it; like a bruise on a red delicious.
A
Posted by: Sigmund Fraud, medical science is hopeless in a case like this..."If we listen to the unreleased outtakes from GAUCHO and 2vN, "You Got the Bear," "Talkin' About My Home," "I Can't Write Home About You," "Kulee Baba," "Wetside Story," and "Cash Only Island," the big question is WHY, WHY, WHY did Donald and Walter hold these back from us?" (Kreisler)
WHY? WHY you ask??? Maybe they were trying to piss that "NYBill" guy off from banyantrees.net? Or Maybe it was just an oversight? Or... or maybe... just maybe now... THEY'RE STUPID???!! Every time I hear that "You Got The Bear" song it pisses me off. They gave me "Gaslighting Abbie" INSTEAD of that??? That song was supposed to be for ME man! I'm sorry but they obviously did that to piss off the rock contingent of Dandom. They owe me for that one. They owe me bigtime for that.
P.S.) I hear that NYBill really love "2nd Arrangement". Yet another song he feels he's owed. Fagen and Becker are running up quite a tab with him.
Posted by: Rajah, the long restless shadows of my life As I re-read the Girlfriend lyrics, it strikes me that no matter how great Mr. Fagen's musical gifts, they pale in comparison to the Steely Dan efforts and that's due to Walter's bittersweet take on our very fragile existence and after all these years the ultimate message I glean from SD is to have a great care first for yourself cause you're no good to anybody if you don't.
Posted by: I've heard, the *new* oneDr. Mu and everyone else,,,,,,,,
Donald's "new one" sounds like nothing he or Steely Dan has ever done before. Now that's the sign of a real genius!
Posted by: Kreisler, PANYB:
That fanbase of which you speak, and of which you are undoubtedly a member, is the fanbase that thinks Steely Dan as THEY KNOW IT ended in 1976. Wake up call--that was 30 FRIGGIN YEARS AGO.
I don't understand why anyone would think songs like "Glamour Profession," "Time Out of Mind," "My Rival," Gaslighting Abbie," "What a Shame About Me," "2vN," "Negative Girl," "West of Hollywood," "Slang of Ages," "Greenbook," Pixeleen" are "soft-jazz" and have no drive. Huh? That's crazy talk, dude.
However, however, however--
I will STRONGLY agree as far as this:
If we listen to the unreleased outtakes from GAUCHO and 2vN, "You Got the Bear," "Talkin' About My Home," "I Can't Write Home About You," "Kulee Baba," "Wetside Story," and "Cash Only Island," the big question is WHY, WHY, WHY did Donald and Walter hold these back from us? Those songs are all driving rockers, right? RIGHT! And they're great, great tunes!
I think D & W are too anal retentive for their own good; they have esoteric, cryptic, snobby criteria for what they want to release and what they want to hold back.
And I think they're doing their legacy a great disservice by being that way; think how many more delirious, devoted fans they would have if they had kicked out the jams, gone ahead, and just FUCKEN GOTTEN THAT GREAT MUSIC OUT. I mean, it's for US, right? The people who LOVE THEM.
What, do they REALLY THINK we wouldn't like those tunes, that those songs wouldn't meet their bizarre criteria for what their fans WHO LOVE THEM should or shouldn't consider acceptable Steely Dan tunes?
I mean, what the fug, knowwhaddimean?
If "Kulee Baba" alone had been included on the GAUCHO album, it would have EXPONENTIALLY EXPLODED their fanbase and UNIVERSALLY marked D & W RIGHT THEN AND THERE as Titans up there with Dylan and the Beatles. THAT'S how good that one song is.
Note I didn't include "The Second Arrangement" in my rant. Because NYB probably considers it wimpy softcore.
To me it's the greatest Broadway show tune of all time.
Alright, enough for now...
Posted by: corrections, COOL jazz
major PHUNKY a**
Posted by: Doc µ, Girlfriend kicks major a*** Should have been on HEAVY airplay rotation.
Posted by: Doc Mu,
Little Dogies: Carlton - little birdie friend sez Krantz may provide the sweetness you've been cryin' for...
Personally, I like the little tase of sour and coll jazz complexity in TvN. It sounds NOTHING like Gaucho to me.
...and Kamakiriad sounds nothing like Nightfly
Gaucho's a Broadway musical about the rotten core of LA beneath the sun splashed streets...
Posted by: Stevie D, Bostonhey Doc Mu..
Thanks for reminding me how much I like "Girlfriend". Cant wait ot go home and listen to it.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoI'm definitely for points 1, 5 and 7!
Posted by: Wagon Train, not ready to MOVE ON just yetMu & Josie,
Nope! I'm not ready to "move on" at all. No sir, just the opposite. I'm ready to fight for my right to party! You see I represent a somewhat large segment of the Steely Dan population who demand that we get our rockin' Steely Dan tunes, AND WE AIN'T GOIN' AWAY TILL WE GET EM! Matter of fact, we've unionized! That's right, we here at the STEELY DAN BROTHERHOOD OF ROCK N' ROLL (LOCAL #666) demand our rights under contractual agreement! Here is our list of demands...
1) More songs like "Bodhissatva"!
2) More songs like "Boston Rag"!
3) Unpredictability in the songwriting effort!
4) More Larry Carlton!
5) Peace and Love between Donald Fagen and Skunk Baxter!
6) The re-assembly of WENDEL!
7) Bring Denny Diaz back out of retirement!
8) More hardcore rock guitar solos!
9) Hot chicks all around!
10)Less Horns!
We here at SDBRNR Local #666 are prepared to do whatever it takes to obtain our goals! Even if it means getting ahold of Johnnie Cochran's brother-in-law and filing an injunction in federal court to prevent Steely Dan from sounding like themselves! That's right, just like they did to John Fogerty! And if either one of the founders decides to escape into retirement we'll picket outside thier mansions until hell freezes over in order fullfill our union contractual requirements! Make no mistake about it, WE ARE HERE TO STAY!
Thank You!,
SD Shop Steward #456
Posted by: ph, siding with Bill, sort ofNYBill, if that is your real name, it WOULD be nice to have something more unpredictable. As you say, we can already expect Donald's next album to be another Jazz/Pop genre album since they haven't done anything drastically different lately as say, Katy Lied to Royal Scam. HOWEVER. I like the Jazz/Pop stuff and though I wouldn't mind some hard rockin', I wouldn't love it either. EMG is probably my least favorite of all Steely Dan albums.
Anyways I'm getting the same jive from Mark Knopfler...all the Dire Straits stuff was great, but his new solo albums are just too folky to put on the regular office muzac rotation. And Eric Clapton's stuff is basically all the same now too. So I know what you mean/how you feel, though I would agree with your tastes.
Though it's cool that Steely Dan got a Grammy, I put absolutely no credence in the award. It's all a bunch of BS and record promotion if you ask me.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Hey Bill: Turn it on. Turn it on again...
"Alone in my cave
It's corn flakes and Camels
And the long restless shadows of my life
None but the brave
Jim Beam and Jack Daniels
Channelhopping these empty days and nights
Glued to the screen
Rerun by rerun
At the dark outer limits of my soul
Stranded between
The Green Acres of my good intentions
And the Twilight Zone of zero self-control
So come on angel
Tune in on me
You 'll see your faithful servant
Lost in misery
And all of your hard work
Coming down to no good
Better see about me babe
If you only could now
Girlfriend if it can't be you
I don't even have anyone to tell my story to
I said girlfriend if it can't be you
Girlfriend if it can't be you
I don't even have anyone to tell my story to
I said girlfriend if it can't be you
Dust and despair
Cobwebs and confusion
Collecting in the corners of my room
All of my dreams
Bitter illusions
I just can't be rid of them too soon
Tired of my brain
Tired of this movie
Too tired to get up and shut it off
The time that remains
What good can it do me
Now that I know that too much is not enough
Wait a minute baby
What about my heart
Was it your idea
To take it all apart
And put it all back together
Just one piece at a time
Now it's down to you darling
That's why I'm all
Girlfriend if it can't be you
I don't even have anyone to tell my story to
I said girlfriend if it can't be you
Girlfriend if it can't be you
I don't even have anyone to tell my story to
I said girlfriend if it can't be you
[RAP]
I'm pullin' in a picture now
Up off my back pages
And all at once am privy to
The entire grim design
Of a great civilization
In the terminal stages
Of a slow but steady mental moral spiritual decline
And so it goes
And thus it is written
And all I want to know is
Where does a guy like me fit in?
So I'm visualizing a cute little bunny
With a fluffy white tail and long grey floppy ears
Who looks up at me and says, Doc don't you worry
All you got to do is, hide in here
[here. hide in here...]
Now all you got to do is to just say when
You might consider bringing your sweetness 'round here again
Girlfriend if it can't be you
I don't even have anyone to tell my story to
I said girlfriend if it can't be you
Girlfriend if it can't be you
I don't even have anyone to tell my story to
I said girlfriend if it can't be you"
Posted by: Doc Mu, NYBox: lessee...after Gaucho there was....NOTHING by the group Steely Dan for 20 long, dark, lonely years. and then 4 Grammys - yep, VERY predictable.
The new Fagen album will sound more like the Nightfly than Kamakiriad
Posted by: gagi, europethe next one will be more like kamakirad, mr.ducks last solo-album, than like e.m.g., steely dan s last one.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandObviously they're putting out what they want to put out and they don't seem to have much interest in whether or not the "older rockers" are going to be pleased. For whatever reason, it's just not where they are these days.
I agree - it sounds like you're ready to move on.
Posted by: John Hi Hat, ---
Bill - so, maybe your Steely Dan days are over? Don't hang on to something that is a constant disappointment for you, move on.
Metallica rocks, and they've got a splendid guestbook.
---/C
Posted by: You're missing the point, yet againJosie, Ann, Sparkin', Mu,... You're missing the point completely.
Let me put it this way. Suppose this is the year 1975 and you've just purchased the new "Katy Lied" album after having dicovered the band in 1972 with "Cant Buy A Thrill". You have all thier albums to date and YOU ARE HOOKED on this band. Now for the all-important question... before you put the needle down on that shiny new "Katy Lied" album, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO SOUND LIKE??? Do you have any idea what you're going to get? Do you know what the formula is for that music before you've even heard it? NO! NO, you have no idea what that album is going to sound like and/or what musical methodology is going to be employed. It's going to be unpredictable, right?
Now, beginning with "Gaucho" we're beginning to see a pattern. We're beginning to be able to predict what we're going to get on the new album. WE KNOW it's going to be softer music. There aren't going to be any rockers in the box. There isn't going to be anything that's going to shake you up like "Boston Rag" or anything with the driving beat of "Night By Night" is there? IS THERE? No. We just KNOW that don't we? And THATS the problem! FAGEN AND BECKER AREN'T SUPRISING ME ANYMORE! My question is, why not? Why does every song have to employ the same soft background voices and the same horns-heavy arrangements? Why can't we have a ROCK song once in a while? Not every last song but just once in a while? Are you beginning to see the problem now?
In all fairness, I've had this same problem with other songwriters I respect. For instance, I'm a big John Hiatt fan. John is a great songwriter and storyteller, but starting about 10 years ago John's music began to get a little too folky and a little to country for me. It seemed like every song he was writing employed the same methodology; it was going to be folky and it was going to be country influenced, he wasn't writing anything else. He was becoming predictable... I think John realized this, because with the release of "The Tiki Bar Is Open" back in 2001 John wen't back to his old formula and began to mix things up. All of a sudden you didn't know what you were going to get on that new Hiatt cd. Was it going to be folky? Maybe. Was it going to rock? Maybe so. Was it going to have gospel influece? It could. The unpredictability was back! You see the difference here is that Hiatt recognized the problem and corrected it, Fagen and Becker haven't completely recognized the problem yet. But I could be wrong, EMG certainly contained a few songs that rocked, like "Godwacker" and "Lunch With Gina". Those songs were suprising weren't they? And that's all I'm asking for. I'm asking for unpredictability. Just like the old days. Is that too much to ask?
Posted by: Wyatt, TombstoneLook Doc Mu
seems the finest things can't quite still exist sir again
Miss Jenny Lynde is now a memory
and my Josie she still loves a rascal
Posted by: Doc Mu, NYBill: One word: FOGHAT!!!
Yeah, we wouldn't want anything sophisticated like:
West Side Story...the Leonard Bernstein and Sondheim masterpiece
Posted by: Ann, Fantasy IslandHey Raj!
Thanks for reminding me about Al Stewart...just listening to "Song on the radio"....great sax!!! Could this, with a few twists, be something that could have gone on Nightfly?
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, FMFAOAlbum Of The Week:
Feist
"Let It Die"
Search this one out, G...
You'll love it...
SoH
Posted by: Ann, Half a degree east of HKTruest statement on the Blue this year Josey!
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandGuffawl - I'd bet there's plenty of us who are more than fine with the idea of letting Fagen and or Becker take us on whatever ride they wish to take us on at this stage of life. I'm vested enough with these guys to trust whatever they throw at me. Or, let me put it this way: I haven't come close to being disappointed yet! I already know I'm going to buy it. And I already know I'm going to like it. Just my worthless opinion.
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Slightly west of Ann
No reason not to have the tunes built the way the Two are doing them at any one time AND with ripping guitars. Not mutually exclusive.
Dont Take Me Alive had great changes and great guitar. So did Green Earings..
I wonder Bill whose guitar you're talking about. Denny Dias ? Do you want a jazz guitar in a rocking song (like Bodhisattva) ? Or a more Skunk approach or a return to Larry Carlton...or a Rick Derringer...or ...who ?
Posted by: moray eel, nightQueen of Spain = Night by Night
Posted by: Yes but, Does every song they write have to be "complicated"? Life is complicated enough isn't it? After a long day of "complicated" people don't generally want to come home an listen to MORE "complicated"! There's nothing wrong with writing a simple song that makes people feel good. Can't you understand that?
Posted by: Jazz Dude, Bodhisattva
Would you take me by the hand
Bodhisattva
Would you take me by the hand
Can you show me
The shine of your Japan
The sparkle of your china
Can you show me
Bodhisattva
Bodhisattva
I'm gonna sell my house in town
Bodhisattva
I'm gonna sell my house in town
And I'll be there
To shine in your Japan
To sparkle in your China
Yes I'll be there
Bodhisattva
Jeez those are really complicated lyrics that were discouraging Fagen from writing.
Posted by: Guffaw!, this is getting interestingLook, doesn't it bother you that these late model SD/Fagen songs seem to be employing the same soft, non-over-exuberant approach? I mean is Fagen not writing harder songs because he can't, or is he not writing harder songs because he won't? Either way he's not writing them, and it's making him seem one-dimensional as a songwriter. I'm not saying that to hurt him, I'm saying that to help him. You see you're not helping him by urging him to write more soft jazz based songs. You may think you are, but you're not. All you're doing is pushing him further and further away from the Steely Dan fanbase, which is a ROCK fanbase. You may not like that, and he may not like that, but thems the facts! So basically all I'm saying is, Becker and Fagen are entitled to do whatever they want BUT if they want to remain relevant to thier historical fanbase they're going to have to start coming up with a few more songs like "Godwacker" and "Lunch With Gina", which I have always felt they wrote just to shut people like me up, which it did (have you ever heard me say anything negative about EMG?). So let's just drop this "Bacharachian" discussion okay? Because the one thing we don't want is more songs which employ that methodology right?
Right?
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandDoc Mu - Please - for the love of God, don't get me started!!
Posted by: Doc Mu, That's a wrap Big Fan: You could be on to something
Go Back, Bill: Actually, Negative Girl WAS LIVE tracked full band for the album in the studio. Two days. No overdubs. I like Carlock particularly live ironically, but man it would have been cool to have Vinnie Colauita do EMG
Posted by: PGE, Someplace betterAnd we break for a short message:
>> I can dance to BOTH My Old School and Negative Girl... <<
Looks like I'm the lucky guy!
Now back to the bickering...
PGE
"I'd rather listen to some Steely Dan..."
Posted by: Go Back, To the YellowHey NYB who wants you here? Go back to Yellow and argue politics with Pat and Peter why don't you. Ass!
Posted by: AHA!, Yes, and you know why.
Posted by: Go back, To Pat'sHa, NY Bill.... "Negative Girl" was never played live.
Posted by: HA!, surely you jestLemme get this straight Rajah... Jazz is interesting and Rock is boring? Methinks you might have that backwards bub. Have you ever been to an SD concert in your life? If jazz is so damned interesting then WHY are all the fans dancing in the aisles when the boys strike up "My Old School" and "Boston Rag" and "Bodhissatva"??? Go ahead and think about that for a second, and while you're thinking about it tell me why all the fans are sitting in thier seats with thier hands folded while they play "Negative Girl" and "Janie Runaway" and/or ANYTHING off of 2VN?
Message to Donald and Walter:
There's at least ONE fan that you DON'T have fooled! Now knock off the soft jazz crap and get back to work! "Morph The Cat" better have something like "Bodhissatva" on it or there's gonna be some fireworks around here that's all I can say...
Posted by: Manny, Pacoima, CaRajah chico are you kidding "Year Of The Cat" now that's wimpy.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoSkunk stuff:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10480407/
Posted by: IE, I thought Donny & Libby had a place on Kaua'i. Didn't know he had one on Maui.
Posted by: Rajah, His Lordship hits upon a salient point. The rock song is a one-trick, maybe two-trick at best pony. Keeping your audience interested takes imaginative and varied movements. Like Pixeleen. There will always be room for a powerful riff like Whole Lotta Love or Aqualung or Sunshine of Your Love or Don't Take Me Alive or Beethoven's 5th but it's like eating burgers every day, gets boring.
Posted by: Found it!, Mauifrom the autobiography, YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS
by John McEnroe with James Kaplan
G.P. Putnam's Sons
copyright 2002
p. 295
"Nevertheless, I was able to smile and say, 'I do' the
following afternoon, May 23, 1997, under a tent on the
back lawn of the Maui home of our old friend Libby
Titus and her husband Donald Fagen, of Steely Dan.
The tent was surrounded by plantings to screen the
ceremony from the inevitable tabloid photographers,
with their giant telephoto lenses, in boats just
offshore. It was pouring rain that day, which made me
smile inside, because I knew it made the
photographers' lives miserable; but more important,
rain was said to be a sign of good luck for newlyweds.
This time I was happy."
__________________________________________________
Posted by: gagi, europe2006, the year of the cat...
Check also Domenico Scarlatti: the Cat's Fugue.
Excelsior!
Posted by: gagi, europe
Posted by: Rajah, That's like Tony Bennett not wanting to sing San Francisco. There outta be a law.
Posted by: Meow, Big Fan~ And don't forget "Morph the Cat on a hot tin roof"
Fagen has a home in Maui as well? How do you like that?!
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Oooooh, Been away for under twenty four hours, and in that time there's been another argumentative discussion (the one over Bacharachian softy stuff vs mad guitar drivin' 'rock')which seems to have petred out with no real winner but with everyone learning a little something, even if they don;t realise it. The fun never stops here at Dandom, no matter what that mofucker Hank says about impotent ferrets.
just to add my own little note-I'm with Rajah and the good doctor, not with NYBill/Eddie Rabbit (whatever your name is) and his cronie (no offence). The guitar drives on 'don't take me alive', 'daddy don't live...' ands suchlike sure sound good, but are actually fairly simple to think up. That style of making music is just too easy. Pixeleen, on the other hand, along with several Dan tracks (and just about everything on Everything Must Go) is a clever, well thought out combination between the Blues, rock, Bachirachian (the word is here to stay) music and Steely Dans unique style. That's what proper music really is, folks. A wide, all reaching spiral which, the bigger and cleverer it is, the more it sucks in and warps about to create the nicest sounding puke around.
This does not nesscarily mean steely Dan alone, but it's what the guys ussually do.
Posted by: Big Fan, at work - when does this week endI just saw Al Stewart in Boston last Friday. Second time I've seen him in the last two years. He refains from playing Year of the Cat if at all possible. He prefers the more essoteric songs.
Morph the Cat, Year of the Cat - I saw an annimated movie in the mid 70's called Frtiz the Cat - but I don't think it would be PC today.
Next year I get 5 weeks paid vacation plus 12 paid holidays - so following Donald on tour is a possibilty.
Posted by: I read john mcEnroe's book, John McEnroe and Patty Smyth got married in 1997 in Donald Fagen's backyard in Maui.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoThanks Raj!
Posted by: Rajah, It was late in December, the sky turned to snow
All round the day was going down slow
Night like a river beginning to flow
I felt the beat of my mind go
Drifting into time passages
Years go falling in the fading light
Time passages
Buy me a ticket on the last train home tonight
Well I'm not the kind to live in the past
The years run too short and the days too fast
The things you lean on are the things that don't last
Well it's just now and then my line gets cast into these
Time passages
There's something back here that you left behind
Oh time passages
Buy me a ticket on the last train home tonight
Hear the echoes and feel yourself starting to turn
Don't know why you should feel
That there's something to learn
It's just a game that you play
Well the picture is changing
Now you're part of a crowd
They're laughing at something
And the music's loud
A girl comes towards you
You once used to know
You reach out your hand
But you're all alone, in these
Time passages
I know you're in there, you're just out of sight
Time passages
Buy me a ticket on the last train home tonight
Posted by: John, NYCHere is an interesting interview with becker circa 03. In case any of you missed it.
http://www.icemagazine.com/stories/195/steely.asp
Regards, john
Also, apparently Reprise isn't going to do much in the way of marketing the new album it seems.
But I have noticed as late a lot of new albums from 70's bands/artists are released without much fanfare..you almost have to go to the record store an look every month to see what is going on.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandI always thought that tune "Breakout" sounded so much like Basia.
Posted by: Ex Regular Till a Few Months Ago, Wahoo CityIsn't the phrase 'Queen of Spain' in an SD lyric? Last night the real Queen of Spain, Sofia, as well as Neil Young and Robin Givens, were in the crowd at Cafe Carlyle for Steve Tyrell doing he songs of Frank Sinatra. If you are in town for this show this is the motherfucker of all shows you will see for a long time.
Posted by: µ, Shapes and Patterns hit that Bach/MArvin Gaye groove also. Certainly a band that grew under the radar
Posted by: Ann, BorneoThanks Raj for posting those Al Stewart lyrics....how's about doing "Time Passages" as well....my favourite after year of the cat!
Anyone latched on to James Blunt yet??
Posted by: Doc Mu, Raj: Wow. The relatiely new "Where Our Love Grows" mines way DEEP into the Bacharach/Dusty Springfield/Fifth Dimension vein of 60s pop/jazz. Dorrine Drewery's vocie is perfect for that kind of stuff and SoS has a dreamy, slightly off take on this genre. A post post-modern cosmo cool "That Girl." More sophisticated than the Breakout album (It's Better to Travel) and the follow-up Kaleidoscope World. fewer synth drums. Well done and it's no an import.
Posted by: ,,, ............Jus tell him to pack his things and get out of your life
And just give me one more chance
I’ll show you I’m right
You know I’m right
You were lonely and you needed a friend
And he was there at the right time with the right smile
Just a shoulder to lean on
Someone to say don’t you worry it’ll all be alright
But he’s no good for you
He’ll make you think your whole life’s been leading to this
And whatever you do
Think about me, oh, and don’t be fooled by his kiss
Posted by: Art Pepper, Nice feature story about Jeff Baxter and his missle defense work on the Today show this morning. Background music... SD and Doobies of course. One of the Generals he works with said that Baxter's most important contribution was "thinking outside the box".
Posted by: Doc Mu, Raj: good 'ol Al Stewart. Drove really fast too.
What's the best Swing out Sister album to start with? Greatest hits?
Everything But the Girl has a slightly similar sound, but SOS is a little more Dan-like
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Posted by: SS, HK
Chrysler, it's a man/woman duo...with a couple of big hits. Raj posted the words to their biggest one, Breakout. Quite catchy.
And, there's a website
swingoutsister.com
Posted by: Rajah, When explanations make no sense
When every answer's wrong
You're fighting with lost confidence
All expectations come
The time has come to make or break
Move on don't hesitate
Breakout
Don't stop to ask
Now you've found a break to make at last
You've got to find a way
Say what you want to say
Breakout
When situations never change
Tomorrow looks unsure
Don't leave your destiny to chance
What are you waiting for
The time has come to make your break
Breakout
Don't stop to ask
Now you've found a break to make at last
You've got to find a way
Say what you want to say
Breakout
Don't stop to ask
Now you've found a break to make at last
You've got to find a way
Say what you want to say
Breakout
Some people stop at nothing
If you're searching for something
Lay down the law
Shout out for more
Breakout and shout day in day out
Breakout
Breakout
Don't stop to ask
Now you've found a break to make at last
You've got to find a way
Say what you want to say
Breakout
Don't stop to ask
Now you've found a break to make at last
You've got to find a way
Say what you want to say
Breakout
Lay down the law
Shout out for more
Breakout and shout day in day out
Breakout
Breakout
Breakout
Lay down the law
Shout out for more
Breakout and shout day in day out
Posted by: Chrys, PittSpeaking of "Bacharachiana," has anyone ever heard a Brit group called Swing Out Sister?
They been around a long time and have about, jeez, 20 or so albums out there; I'm tempted to order a couple of them, based on hearsay (well, READsay anyway).
Supposedly, unapologetically pre-psychedelic 60s pop retro, inspired by Bacharach, Webb, Fifth Dimension, Brazil 66, etc.
Well, I'm off to listen to some samples...
Posted by: Rajah, L.A. On a morning from a Bogart movie
In a country where they turn back time
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre
Contemplating a crime
She comes out of the sun in a silk dress running
Like a watercolour in the rain
Don't bother asking for explanations
She'll just tell you that she came
In the year of the cat
She doesn't give you time for questions
As she locks up your arm in hers
And you follow 'till your sense of which direction
Completely disappears
By the blue tiled walls near the market stalls
There's a hidden door she leads you to
These days, she says, I feel my life
Just like a river running through
The year of the cat
Well, she looks at you so cooly
And her eyes shine like the moon in the sea
She comes in incense and patchouli
So you take her, to find what's waiting inside
The year of the cat
Well, morning comes and you're still with her
And the bus and the tourists are gone
And you've thrown away the choice and lost your ticket
So you have to stay on
But the drum-beat strains of the night remain
In the rhythm of the new-born day
You know sometime you're bound to leave her
But for now you're going to stay
In the year of the ca
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfkuleebaba -- as you can see, when the writer's block hits, Don and Walt's work can be a huge asset for me.
Even the unreleased stuff!
Posted by: Doc Mu, NYBox: I hate to tell you, but Steely Dan was ALWAYS jazz/blues played with rock instruments and a Stax/R&B/rock backbeat. It's own peculiar fusion of cool jazz, bop, altered blues, funk, R&B. Do it Again, Bad Sneakers, Rikki, Razor Boy, Aja, Caves of Altamira, Dr. Wu, Almost Gothic is only by parallel evolution "lite jazz"
It's not their fault that legions of Stepford smooth jazz players mutated Dan's fusion into something grotesque like a rapidly decaying portrait of Dorain Gray...
It's like mistaking a seal for a species of whale...
Posted by: Ronnie Milsap, there's no gettin' over me!Look Clowns. The ONLY person in the entire Dan universe who has consistently shown the testicular fortitude to hold Fagen and Becker acountable for thier foray into the soft jazz world is NYBill! While the rest of you lapdogs are just sitting around waiting for the next half-assed SD tangent, NYBill is hard at work attempting to reconstruct the greatness that was once STEELY DAN! And if that means that NYBill has to drag DF back from the brink of "Bacharachism" kicking and screaming, WELL THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S GONNA HAFTA BE! Because we are going to have our Steely Dan again, and NOT Steely Dan Lite, so help me God! And if that pisses the rest of you Jazzbo's off that's just too damned bad, because Fagen and Becker STILL have a few rockin' songs left in em' and NYBill intends to get those songs even at the risk of his own life! That's what you call dedication to a singular purpose my friends. That's what you call determination. That's what I call being a true "fan" of Steely Dan. That's what you call being totally right, and FOCUSED on a goal! And the goal is more songs like "King Of The World"! More songs like "Daddy Don't"! More songs like "Black Friday"! And more songs like "FM"! And we WILL have those songs, for if we don't obtain those songs, NYBill will absolutely bust the founders balls unmercifully until he (and you by osmosis) gets them!
Jazzectomy Now!
Sincerely,
Ronnie
Posted by: Detective Squad, Long IslandSomeone posted here a quote from Granatino's where Doanld Fagen say he likes the LA saxophonist Harold Land. Ever hear the song Grooveyard by Harold Land? What you think the bass line on a EMG tune come from?
Posted by: Rajah, Not in the traditional sense of what we might think of as a rock band, no, they are first and foremost a pop band using rock as their primary vehicle though, certainly Godwhacker, Pixeleeen and Gina are fairly traditional rock songs with certain jazz and blues elements, perhaps employing some stops and embellishments along the way to make things interesting as Donald says but these song still rock plenty for my speed, I'm bored as heck with straight rock, have been since Zeppelin. It's as simple as this, when your left hand is doing a back beat rhythm on the snare for any number of bars, whatever else may be going on, it's rock Mergatroyd.
Posted by: ph, with jazz and conversationShould have been obvious that the Rock Star Steely Dan died along with Aja, IMAO.
Posted by: Detective Squad, Long IslandNY Bill stop posting here as Eddie Rabbit you hemmorhoid. Steely Dan is not anymore, and never will be again, A rock guitar band. Get it thru your skull homey!
Posted by: kuleebaba, Haha!
"Peja Stojakovic's Morph the Cat impersonation is getting annoying. He's missed 36 of 46 shots since Bonzi Wells shamed him into playing through that devastating strained pinkie finger injury last week."
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=cnnsi-outoftheboxthin&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns
Posted by: Rajah, Burt never rocks much in the verses, for Donald it's his funky playground up in there, then he smooths it out in the chorus so it is with Pixeleen, plus all those other wonderful that song does but Negative Girl owes a huge debt to Victor Feldman, all that vibes stuff riding above a funky bassline...this song calls to mind I Got the News. Not in time signature but in the juxtaposition of smooth and funkitude.
Posted by: Eddie Rabbit, Windshield wipers slappin' out a tempoWILL YOU PEOPLE KNOCK IT OFF! We DON'T want any more of that "Bacharachian" shit in our Steely Dan!
"Bacharachian". Is that a word??? I'm hearin' "Iraq" in that! Like Bach-Iraq! Or Back-Iraq! Whatever! Gimme back my hard-rockin', guitar-driven Steely Dan! Gimme back my "Don't Take Me Alive"! Gimme back my "Bodhissatva"!Gimme back my bullets!
Posted by: Doc Mu, Yes, Janie Runaway chorus. I would add Negative Girl and Pixeleen
Land of Make Believe is Donald's favorite Bacharach song I read in an interview
Posted by: Rajah, Gothic, yes definitely, and what about the chorus to Janie Runaway?
Posted by: µ, Lordship: If so, it could be an extension of the Gaucho outtakes, Nightfly title track keyboard chord slut approach....songs juicy and gently bubbling over
Posted by: Doc don't you worry, hoops beat me to it
Posted by: Doc Mu, hide in hereLordship: Cadenced spoken word over music is as old as performers or actors willing to take the stage who can't sing. Rex Harrison's songs were adjusted for the play and movie because he really couldn't sing, but the cadenced "raps" are classic. Rock Island (title?), the opening of the Music Man is a real rap to the cadence of the locomotive. Robert Preston excelled at cadenced rap. Both were over original scores composed by Frederick Loewe and Meredith Wilson.
The problem with post-modern rap that began with bored DJs over disco records at clubs...and has developed into an huge industry sampling/stealing other people's music. It's performance art and not really meant to be recorded art. When over your own musical creation, it has legitimacy. Besides, the bridge on 11 ToW Girlfriend is a cleverrap. Slang verses are almost a rap.
We have a digital keyboard and rented instruments from school for band and piano. It's not only possible for inner city youths to learn music and play musical instruments, but it helps them acheive in school and bolsters brain development. There's a rich history of creation and stellar musicianship from so many who began poor and became the Master's of 20th Century musical Americana.
Expect a little more Nightfly and late 70s than Kama. We know there are horn charts, guitar solos, Freddie Washington on bass, Rhodes, Wurly, Carlock, Krantz, Carolyn Leonhart, the usual suspects...
Raj: Don't forget ALMOST GOTHIC
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?I myself kinda like Bacharachian 'softy stuff' and, whether everyone else here likes it or not, I'm pretty sure Donald will use it for at least half the songs on 'Morph'. My bet is, if he only uses it on one song, it'll be 'Pagoda of Funn'.
Posted by: hoops, "Almost Gothic" is most "Bacharachian" of all.
jim
Posted by: Rajah, Some stuff on Donald's first two solos have come very close to Bacharachian construction ala Goodbye Look, IGY, Walk Between Raindrops, On the Dunes, Florida Room, Snowbound. So what makes you think the song won't remain the same?
Posted by: Someone left the cake out in the rain, And I don't think that I can take it"Donald Fagen is very highly enamored of Burt Bacharach, specially Dionne's interps of his songs w. Hal David."
I know. Let's hope the boy hasn't applied any of that mister softy songwriting style to "Morph The Cat". If he has there's gonna be hell to pay!
Posted by: Ya Hit Ya Hoin, @AS has been posted here quite a few times, in an interview on Granatino's someplace, Donald Fagen is very highly enamored of Burt Bacharach, specially Dionne's interps of his songs w. Hal David. A little beyond the grasp.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoThanks Raj! Sound advice!! The kid is...but it's parental pressure that's the problem!
Paul...you are one wise cookie!
Ann
Posted by: Mcarthur's Park, melting in the dark"How come no one's asking about the Fagen/Bayer-Sager album? That was talked about before EMG was even out." (Two Cents)
Uh..., because if I wanna hear what that sounds like I'll toss some Burt Bacharach on the box and get it from the horses mouth. While trying not to fall asleep!
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Ann - if this young lady is on the fence over career choices then she should definately pursue a scientific course of study. You have to want to be an artist more than anything in the world in order to even stand a chance. It takes a balls-out committment, there are no guarantees and is as much an affliction as it is a gift.
Rappers are not singing, they are not singers, they are not producing sound consistent with the vocal instrument. It is in essence recitative and more consistent with oral interpretation, it's a sililoquy, a narrative form not a musical form.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoIDTC:
Well, at least MY name and location are real!! But I have thought of changing it to BorneoDann...or Wild Woman of Borneo, Head Hunter, Louise, Maxine, etc....so if anyone has any suggestions??? (Keep it clean!!).
Many thanks to all of you for the suggestions for my student....keep them coming. She wouldn't be ultimately staying here on Fantasy Island, as her parents are expats and have residency in the UK and New Zealand. My feelings are for her to go with the music.......but......well, I'll keep you posted, just keep the suggestions comimg!
As for Roger Wang, found his web site:
http://www.rogerwang.net/bio/index.html
Jazz guitarist in the Chet Atkins genre it seems. I know about him because his nephew is a boarder at school. Nephew's dad (Roger's brother) is Malaysian, mum from Stoke-on-Trent, UK!! The nephew is a great vocalist in the Michael Buble genre and usually brings the house down in school performances!! He does have star quality. Anyway, have a listen to some of Roger's music on the website. You guys have every opportunity to learn, perform, etc.....Remember, this guy is stuck in N.E. Borneo but does pretty well!
Ann
Posted by: ph, snowboundIt's blizzarding outside and the pavement is covered in ice! I'm not going to work! Yaaaay!
Lordship,
I think Walter tried that...with Surf and/or Die? Maybe?
Ann,
I have a friend who is currently in college to be a music teacher and is an outstanding violinist who plays in her school's symphony orchestra and in our semi-big city's orchestra. (500K people is big, right?) Easily with her intelligence/talents/willpower though, should could have double majored in something science/engineering related, and your student could probably do the same thing. It would be an absolute shame to lose such musical talent, but at the same time, she could probably use a more certain career to fall back on if the music thing doesn't work out. Then again, your student could have a career as a music teacher. I don't know what the economic status in Borneo is, but in the States at least, teachers are becoming a rare commodity.
That's my 18-year-old 1.5 cents.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Been ooking at everyones (pretty bad) thoughts on rap, and it's got me thinking MAYBE rap aint Steely Dans thing-Astro, you made a pretty good point on a rappers inability to say girl/woman ect...
But a Dan fans hatred of rap is still a real good reason why steely Dan SHOULD use rap. I am 99.99% confident Steely Dan could whip something new and snazzy up out of rap that the homies and the dan fans can listen and love.
I wouln't be to sure about an entire track made up only of SD rap, but if they add some snazzy rap ab-libs or short lines in between verses, and blended it in with the traditional Steely Dan milkshake, it could be pretty good drinkin'.
Ann, given the choice between proffesional musician or proffesional scientist, I'd got for the wider, ever-changing, lively world of music.
However, music is much easier to keep as a spare-time activity than science. I wouldn't do this myself, but your anynymous twelth grader could take up a career of some sort in science, whilst making and performing music ouside of working hours.
However, I don;t feel the world really needs scientists (apart from doctors, who put me back together and do a mighty good job), but a world without the many intriccate forms of music, and without the thousands of talented musicicans, sucks pretty bad, and won't sound too good either.
But hey, maybe that's just me.
Posted by: Doc Mu, C: That's strange - I could understand TvN on a CD hooked up to a low end system, but the EMG drums sound nothing like a drum machine - very wet, although Carlock can be a human metronome. Hope he finds a good audiologist
Posted by: Clas, ---
Mu - re Wendel, I know that, but my friend didn't. The point was; he thought Carlock sounded as a drummachine.
---/C
Posted by: IDTC, PAHad to get this in--
Roger Wang? out of Sabah, Malaysia?
If that isn't a character out of Steely Dan, I don't know what is.
You made that up, right, Ann?
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, PAAnn, Believe It, You Don't Think:
No, Ann, that's not a sarcastic arrow aimed at you! Those are the "identities" of recent posters.
About your student--well, if she's really in the Vanessa Mae category, she could EASILY find a career in the violin section of any good symphony orchestra when she graduates. But perhaps her music skills need some more "fine-tuning" in a Bachelor of Music (then possibly a Master of Music) program as a Performance Major at a good music school. In either case, she would be assured of a career in music, at least as a member of the string section of a symphony orchestra SOMEWHERE.
However, if she is THAT much into her science interests, AND she is more gifted in science than in music (one has to be honest with oneself in this matter), I think it would be much better if she pursued a career in one of the sciences. She would be equally assured of a career that way. That DOES NOT MEAN she has to give up music. On the contrary, she SHOULD continue to play as much as possible if it means that much to her; she can ALWAYS find opportunities to play in SOME kind of ensemble or gigging situation.
I hope that's of some help in your counseling thing...
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Believe It, you certainly have a point there--the unreleased outtakes from Gaucho, particularly "The Second Arrangement" and "Kulee Baba," are so UTTERLY KNOCKOUT that it can well be argued that they're better than half the tunes on the officially released GAUCHO.
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You Don't Think, here's the problem I have with Rap--
LOVE the Hip-Hop
HATE the Rap
Whenever I hear a "Rap" song with intriguing music, I always think, "Man, what great music, if only they could lose that 'singer!'"
The Rapper in Rap, ironically, is the whole problem--it always ends up, to my ears, DESECRATING the music (the Hip-Hop).
That's how I hear it. WHEN are we going to get an artist who can really DO SOMETHING TRANSCENDENT with Hip-Hop rhythms and textures, and LOSE FOREVER the obnoxious Rap Stars?
Christian McBride, are you listening?
Posted by: kuleebaba, Phreak:
You're being way too sensitive about your man Miles. "Doo Bop" is a released album, and it's got its moments. Check out "Man with the Horn" while you're at it; it's got some amusing lyrics too!
John
Posted by: Ann, BorneoCalling all music experts:
As my musical talents are zero and I don't know much about the music biz beyond what I pick up from you lot,I need some advice to help an aspiring musician. One of my functions is that I'm the Careers advisor at school, and a very intelligent grade 12 girl has come to me for advice about uni and career matters. She's a very good "scientist" and mum and dad want her to use those talents in her future career. However, she's also a top grade violinist in the Vanessa Mae category, is Eurasian, of British/Indian extract and has very good stage presence. She wants to follow a career where she can still perform and use her musical talents, but make use of her scientific talents as well. I've scanned all the data bases and info I've got, but it's not giving me much apart from "recording engineer". Any ideas Greater Dandom??
Anyone heard of a jazz guitarist called Roger Wang, from Sabah, Malaysia?
The Off Spring is home on Saturday....missed her so much! Now that she's "grown up", maybe this will be the time to convert her to the Dan! Wish me luck!
Ann
Posted by: SS, HKThanks SOH...I know I'll get the album, but now I'm thinking about a power conditioner, too.
Posted by: post man, where i need to beDoesn't Mary Shut the Garden Door sound a lot like a Springsteen title?
Posted by: Believe it, pretzel logic revisitedThe problem with the unreleased stuff is that some of the unreleased stuff is better than the released stuff! So one can reasonably assume that if something is really good it won't be released until it's considered not quite good enough to be unreleased. Understand?
I hope this clears things up.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Bang you silly but leave a nasty bite
SoH: You Da Man!
"fine round frames" Wah oooo!
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Brrr...The piece that follows is from an an online review of an audio power conditioner...It contains some pretty awesome commentary regarding "Morph The Cat"...Check it out:
"Playing the same set of CDs -- Donald Fagen's forthcoming Morph the Cat [WB promo]; Broadcast's Tender Buttons [Warp CD136]; Vijay Iyer's Reimagining [Savoy Jazz SVY 17475]; and Impulsive! Unmixed [Impulse! B0005282] -- I stuck the Ultimate Outlet in line behind the Montrachet and listened up."
"Here is was much harder to be hands-down certain that the PS Audio product was doing something measurably beneficial. Playing the Fagen disc -- pretty damn high rez to begin with -- I felt that with the UO in line I was hearing deeper into the recording. Horn and guitar lines became more apparent and the disc's lush harmonies became more intoxicating, creamy, detailed and hyper-real, almost to the point of unreality. The entire soundstage seemed to move about three rows closer. I could now see the musician's faces more clearly and enjoy the female background singer's fine round frames. Dynamics were not stilted in the least, which surprised me, but the music did contain a razor-sharp edge that could at times knock me a little silly."
Intoxicating, creamy and hyper-real???
Bring it ON, Don!
http://6moons.com/audioreviews/psaudio3/power.html
SOH
Posted by: Get Your Phreak On, LoGet off it. That's like calling these shit CDs with Brain Tap Shuffle and Oh Wow It's You Again "Steely Dan albums." Get a clue.
Posted by: kuleebaba, Actually, there are three Miles Davis songs with the rappers J.R., A.B. Money, and Easy Mo Bee off his last album "doo-bop", with lyrics like:
"Miles Davis' style is different, you can't describe it as Pacific
He rip, rage and roar, no time for watchin' Andy Griffith"
or
"The notes from his horn mmakes ladies get freaky like sex
Reach your climax, what's next?"
You can't make this stuff up :-)
John
Posted by: moray eel, joniDon't forget about their version of "Carey" that never came out.
m.e.
Posted by: Get Yer Groove On, Phreak, LoThere is no Miles Davis song with rappers. What are you talking about? And are you comparing Steely Dan with Miles Davis?
Posted by: Doc Mu, 2 cent:
flys, kiris, cats
That's a food chain...
Posted by: Rajah, It has a lot to do with all the varying musical forms and idioms upon which they draw, their appreciation of a wide range of musical forms. Their style is not easily definable because it really encompasses many varying styles. They can and have employed pretty much every color of the musical palate on any song. But the thing that makes them most unique for a rock band anyway is their inclusion, and I mean well-integrated references not just some crap thrown in there, of references to world cultures, world literature, western and eastern religious tenets, jeez, anthropology, sociology, politics, quantum physics for goodnessake, all cloaked in American slang and urban jargon.
Posted by: ph, > Are they evil-cool geniuses?
Yes.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCYou know it’s simply amazing to me and a true testament to S.D. that it could sustain a board like this one for so long.
Even during dry spells, such as these times, brand new topics of relevant discussion persist.
It’s been 2 years since the release of E.M.G. yet fresh topics and new inquiry inexorably remain.
“Morph” is already being dissected before it’s even released!
A perfect example is this new avenue of discussion concerning Dan’s Latin flavored sprinklings over the years. I honestly don’t know that I gave it a conscious thought. Maybe because there’s so much to focus on in their work or maybe I’ve just taken it for granted.
Their musical profundity is enormous. Like a great baseball team who contracts superb fielding talent to compliment an already deep pitching staff, coached and glued together by two brainiac head coaches who just so happen and very insistently choose to play them on the hippest stadium grounds in the league.
(Can you tell that I’m a fanatic?)
I mean really, how many bands could pull something like the Blue off and keep it chugging along like a steam powered meat plow?
Is it because they’re unconventional in their approach? Or maybe because they’re almost involuntarily driven to perfect their craft? Are they evil-cool geniuses?
Everything from their sound, lyrics, concepts, hooks, masterful compositions and mixings keep it fresh and keep it cool.
And very relevant I might add.
Again the question: how many bands could keep it interestingly viable?
Led Zeppelin? Van Halen? Madonna? Just to name a few “successful artists” could they honestly be discussed in depth the way Dan is here and on a couple of other boards?
I think not.
No, I KNOW not.
Once in a while the planets line up, maybe, and bring together a couple of like minds that fuse and produce something pretty unique. Lennon and McCartney come readily to mind perhaps a couple of other writing teams but, I’ll stop typing now because my finger tips are beginning to bruise.
In closing I just want to thank everyone that contributes to the Blue and especially Jim who provides us with a canvass to paint on.
Peace
A
Posted by: Captain Astro, Lordship,
I can't imagine Donald Fagen lending his talents to any genre that consistently reduces women to little more than "bitches" and "Ho's". If you thumb back through Fagen's solo discography you'll see that he has consistently shown great respect and adoration for women. The chances of him getting down and dirty in the sewer known as "Rap" is about as likely as the Earth being attacked by giant gnats from outer space.
(Although I must admit that there are some scientists who do accept the giant gnat theory...)
Posted by: Two Cents, Seems obvious as far as I can tell. Fagen and Jobim composed a one off. They copyrighted it. Maybe they demoed it. Maybe Jobim will do it. The song is not on "Morph The Cat." In fact, the whole idea about DF's next album being called "The Orchids and the Summer Rain" was all speculation from us Danfans based simply on a LOC search. Jobim's name hasn't even surfaced on this one at all. Billboard would have mentioned it. Maybe it will be an outtake on the 3-CD box that has been mentioned.
How come no one's asking about the Fagen/Bayer-Sager album? That was talked about before EMG was even out.
Poof...both probably died a death after not too long. Sounds like Morph will complete Donald's holy trinity. We worship flys, kamakiris and cats. Now that's religion.
Posted by: ph, I think I need a lear jetOf course I think. I think, "I hate rap and everything associated with it." (and just to extinguish any doubt, I definetely AM being sarcastic)
A few weeks ago on XM I heard some rap-ish thing Miles Davis did in his later years....instrumentally I was digging it, very jazzy and cool, but turned it off once whoever-he-was started singing. I don't remember what the song was. I'm a big Miles fan but was not a fan of the rap-fusion thing. So I would expect the same if Donald tried to blend rap into their songs...I've always had the impression that Miles was just as much of a perfectionist is Don&Walt are. Whatever. I'm not completely close-minded, but def would not look forward to a Rapping Steely Dan.
Posted by: sharkdeville, wonderlandI'd like to know what's up with "Orchids and the Summer Rain" as well.
I was really looking forward to some bossa donald.
Posted by: You Don't Think, Do You PaulGet a clue homies. Rappers like Lyrics Born would sound awesome with Steely Dan. Are you so in outer space that you think all rap is like 50 Cent and M&M???? www.lyricsborn.com Stop revealing your lack of
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Perhaps, since we're not used to it.
But c'mon guys, have faith! Steely Dan can pull of anything.
ANYTHING!!!!!!!!
Ok, maybe it's high time I took those pills the doctor gave me...
Posted by: ph, [c]rap!Lordship, I hope you're as unserious as Oracles was.
Rap + Steely Dan would be a crime against nature.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Thought Oracles last entry was interesting stuff. Shame, I would really have liked to see Donald release a rap tour. I can't see it happening-but that's the fun of Donald Fagen and all things Steely Dan! I can imagine this as a real blow for Donalds wide musical talents.
Posted by: hoops , Paging Dr µ, Hey Mike, Alkali, Please email me if you kindly would, thanks!
jim
Posted by: angel, Last in line again, but the first song that came to me was also "Only A Fool". I couldn't believe you missed that one, Dr. Mu. :-)
--
Their, Their, Their!
Posted by: Can you hear me Doctor?, Boston, MAMu......Wrong.....Dead wrong.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCdon't forget
Belisarius,Hanibal,Hitler,Castro,Manson(charles not marilyn)and of course Clinton and Kerry.
i hope that monster suffered deeply before final exhale. i only wish i could have been there to piss on him.
i agree that 2vn title track is a bit more interesting than the rest of that and the whole of the follwing CD but, again it's just too mechanical for me. give me Gary Husband or Chad Wackerman to give the disc some warm blood.
A
Posted by: Alkali, NYC"Hmmm-Hmm-Hm... SOLAMENTE Un TONTO DIRÍA ESO"
Posted by: Doc Mu, Can: Whatever happened to "I would love to tour the Southland?" NOT TOO LATE TO ADD A DATE! ! Aeriel Theatre now called Verison Wireless in Houston is another good choice. In March, it's either all Cali or Hawaii or INSIDE venues. If the rumors include Outside venues in the midwest or north of South Carolina, then the information's dead wrong. Dr. Fagen would never sing in temps less than 68 degrees...
C: They shot WENDEL XXV with a bazooka. Don't think it's been used since Kama. (the cheap drum machine on 11 ToW doesn't count)
Pixeleen - would love to hear it on the old transistor radio
Tookie: The questions is is there any evidence he didn't start the Crips or commit the murders?. Nice kiddie books, but the last Cali gov. to grant clemency was..............................Ronald Reagan
Posted by: Clas, Greeneland---
I had a little Birdie once, she was convinced The Goodbye Look was about about Grenada and the CIA murderers. It's a thought.
---
re drummachines;
Talked to an old friend the other day, he had heard Pixeleene on the radio, he said:
–So they are still using old Wendel?
---/C
Posted by: Can you hear me Doctor, Boston, MAMu....From what I'm hearing out of LA is that the Fagen tour will include no shows in the state of Texas. I'm glad I live in Boston!
Posted by: Doc Mu, SS: Indeed. I though I'd included Fool. Thanks!
Orchids - coming to an outtake website near you.
Posted by: THE ORACLE, messages from the etherLDO,
As you may know, Donald was working on a project known as "Orchids And Summer Rain" with his close friends 50 Cent and Little Kim. It was to be Donald's first really hardcore Rap album. After the arrest and subsequent imprisonment of Little Kim on perjury charges, Donald and 50 Cent were forced to cancel the album and the subsequent worldwide tour that was to include Eminem, Lil' Bow Wow, Funkmaster Flex, and a sprinkling of Gwen Stefani. Donald has been said to be quite disappointed, as this was to be a bold step in a new direction for him. Word has it that "Orchids And Summer Rain" has been shelved indefinitely, but that his alternate album "Morph The Cat" will have one or two Rap cuts included as bonus tracks.
THE ORACLE
Posted by: Little_Defiled_One, Point of No ReturnForgive me, but I am confused about D's next cd toouted as his 3rd solo release.
I thought it was going to be "Orchid's & The Summer Rain" with Jobim.
Did the name merely change?
Or are there TWO on the horizon?
If there was a loooong discussion some time back that I should read, tell me the date and I will read-up so none of 'yall have to re-type old business.
thx,
LDO
Posted by: SS, HKA lot of latin was found in Only a Fool Would Say That.
Posted by: Doc Mu, singles today = airplay + iTunes
I've actually heard quite a few non-hit Dan songs in the Grocery funked up muzak:
Babylon Sisters
Bad Sneaker
Rose Darling
Goodbye Look
Jack of Speed come to mind
Irene and Flocko
http://www.dinkysworld.com/road.htm
A Touch of Latin winds it's way into a number of recordings:
Do it Again
Midnight Cruiser
Razor Boy
Your Gold Teeth I
Rikki
Everyone's Gone to the Movies
Doctor Wu
Haitian Divorce (Reggae)
Gaucho (title track)
IGY
Goodbye Look
TvN
Almost Gothic (just a hint)
Posted by: ph, IE: Only the singles make it to the grocery store muzac system. That's why they matter. :)
Otherwise you make a pretty darn good point. I NEVER listen to the radio (which I assume is about the only medium for a single's release?), and just the other day I read a news item that basically indicates the demise of FM is very soon, due to lack of interest in favor of XM. I wouldn't put my faith in that...maybe 30 years and FM will be gone, but AM is still alive and kicking despite its terrible quality, reception, and dwindling platforms of support.
Posted by: I.E., Do singles even matter anymore? I was listening to an interview with Donald from the Kamakiriad period. He said Steely Dan music belonged on a "Suburban Contemporary Gothic" radio station. Then he laffed and said it didn't exist.
Posted by: ph, TvN has always reminded me instrumentally of Do It Again. I like putting the two back to back in my m3u playlists.
On the subject of EP's... is there any difference between the EP Blues Beach and the LP Blues Beach?
Methinks Gina or Greenbook or even Pixeleen would have worked much better as singles. Smash hits as Mu says. Somebody in charge at the record company must not have been pissed at Don&Walt or something, 'cause they def made a mistake there in not promoting the songs.
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandDoc Mu - that intro to 2VN was the one thing I always thought was so un-Dan like. It's the only time I can remember them doing ANYTHING remotely like latin. Gadd's thing at the end of Aja has a little latin flavor to it - but nothing else about that song does. If I'm forgetting about another tune of theirs that has that, then please remind me. That's what was so surprising to me about the title track to 2VN is that it didn't sound like anything they'd done before - or since.
Posted by: Doc Mu, A few things about the TvN drums. First of all, the album should start with the title track...with the 6/4 or whateah time sig...the intro is soooooo Dan. Latin, groove, fill, percussion. Then Gaslighting and WASAM.
Secondly, the snare is mixed too high on the CD version and sounds a little 2-D.
Scheiner got it right on the DVD-A studio version. Snare sounds way more wet - more like Gaucho without WENDEL
Thirdly, there's a lot going on with the cymbals. The intro to WASAM with bass and guitar and drums and Rhodes working it is a thing of beauty
Fourth, there's quite a bit of nuance in the drumming Negative Girl (Vinne Colauita) has that ibe solo where there's a real conversation among the musicians - thing of beauty, Almost Gothic, Jack of Speed
Fifth, the drum groove on most songs is a stable runnder guiding the multiple voice intricat arrangements - lots of back and forth
Carlock's drumming is a little more instantly likeable, although he sounds a little hesitant or overcoached or slightly out of sync on The Last Mall and Things I Miss the Most. The groove then gets infections and funky with Godwhacker, Slang, Greenbook, Pixeleen, Lunch with Gina, and the title track. the drumming and tightness of the band just gets better and better. A little more of a ROCK groove on EMG over a 40s blue/jazz based melodies and production, whereas TvN is more funk groove underneath 50s cool jazzbo stuff.
EMG is certainly a back-loaded album...along with less than optimal choice of singles may have hurt a few reviews and sales. Try the song sequence backwards some time! I also would have led this album with the title track as well.
Lunch with Gina and Pixeleen were potential MONSTER hits, if released as singles!
Posted by: kuleebaba, >Mr. J. W. Nicol, a poster at the very defunct feverdreams site, >discovered this photo of SF writer Frederic Pohl, dated 1965:
>http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~fifield/forum/pohl.jpg
Hey hey, that's me! :-)
>Caption (according to my edition): "Long John Nebel ran the world's >longest and best-rated radio talk show, Man and boy. I appeared on >his show nearly 400 times, second only to the record run up by The >Magnificent Lester del Rey, who got me into it in the first place."
Joseph: Glad to see you're a Frederik Pohl fan as well. "The Way The Future Was" is an excellent book!
Here's a little bit on Nebel: "it was Long John Nebel who delved into the possibility that we are being visited by aliens during many of his nightly broadcasts in New York (and up and down the East Coast) on WOR in the late 1950s and 1960s." Or see the Wikipedia entry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nebel.
What really made that click for me was that Donald Fagen once said his favorite science fiction author was Frederik Pohl. (That's somewhere in Sweet's "Reeling In The Years" bio.)
John
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandWill have to agree and somewhat disagree with Dan B. on this one. My disagreement would be on the drumming on 2VN. I thought, for the most part, the drumming was good. The title track, Negative Girl, Jack Of Speed, and Gaslighting all sound great to me. Or, at least sound like what it needs to sound like. If you didn't like the actual sound quality of the drums, that's different. As for the rest of it, I thought the drumming was fine.
I also think the drumming was great on EMG - in terms of what was played was what the songs called for. For those who like the bombastic drumming with lots of the flitty-witty stuff (for lack of a better term), I would suggest that SD might not be your band. "Aja" being the obvious exception. But if you like outstanding groove drumming, I can't think of a better band and I'd have to include EMG as good of an example as any other cd out there. "Greenbook", as Dan mentioned, is an excellent example. I think the groove on that tune is absolutely sick!! Same goes on the title track. Those nuances, or ghost notes as we drummers tend to call them, do as much to create the feel and groove as the obvious stuff - even more so. And like Dan said, drum machines don't give ya that. Anywho, there's my two cents.
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYAlkali, while 2VN had some pretty ugly sounding drums (and boring drum lines to boot on many songs), I disagree on the drumming on EMG. It's not exactly overblown and full of fills everywhere, but if it was, it would sound like crap. The songs on EMG aren't written for big, bodacious, bombastic percussion. They're written for subtle nuances, small fills, and a rock solid groove. You can get a rock solid groove with a drum machine, but you can't get the subtleties that Carlock has (or that great interplay with Walter on bass, or even that great sound Carlock's drums have). Lunch With Gina is a great example. If he started adding floor tom fills a full bar long and hitting the crash three or four times in there for good measure, it wouldn't sound very good with that groove. It worked on Royal Scam, Kid Charlemagne, and so forth because those songs were written for that. EMG was written for that *groove*. Just listen to that dirty, slinky bounce in Green Book the whole band has going--the drums kept right in with that feel. And when there are fills, Carlock makes them feel just right. Check out that little number in the transition into the second chorus in Pixeleen.
Posted by: Gamma Chi, young and willlin'Speaking of cheerleaders... How's that war machine goin' Jeff?
Seriously though, at least half of us wish you were still with the band. The other half is over at Tower records fighting over the last three jazz records left on the shelf.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Raj: Concert halls, theaters...YESSSSS!!!
Dr. Fagen Management - how about the Bass Concert Hall in the Performing Arts Center atthe University of Texas?
http://www.utpac.org/index.php?flash05=1
Posted by: sharkdeville, on the dunescheck this out! it's a tour jacket from the '74 tour... with full logo. I'd never seen that before.
http://www.itsonlyrocknroll.com/catalog/auction_item.php?prodpa=&unid=22317
Posted by: Ann, BorneoWell, here on Fantasy Island it's just into Tuesday 13th December, so I want to be the first to wish Jeff "Skunk" Baxter a very happy birthday....57 today...and may he have many more of them!!!
Ann
Posted by: Big Fan, How long until Christmas?Will there be obscure Euro singles like with Kami? Or will the marketing be like EMG - none.
Will Reprise ever add Donald to its list of artists?
Over/Under when Amazon.com adds the album to it's site?
So many questions - so few answers.
Posted by: Alex Trebek, Set of JeopardyFor the 20th time, The Goodbye Look is a novel by Ross MacDonald that Becker and Fagen read in college.
Posted by: Alkali, NYCDandom is no island, mi Amigo.
Can you say isthmus?
It’s a rather small state lying between Arcturus and Avenue D.
ANN: “Goodbye look” is about Fidel and his gang of thugs taking over the pleasant island of Cuba where gambling and good rolling tobacco were both legal.
I don’t know why it surprises anyone to rediscover how good “Scam” is.
I mean, it’s their best work. They were young enough to carry cynical doubt but old enough and smart enough to express it.
Plus they rocked it with razor sharp electric guitars and some really good drumming, unlike their last two efforts where they could have saved some money by using a drum machine, IMO, boring stuff in the percussion department.
Peace
A
Posted by: Clas, ---
Ann - Graham Greene, Haiti, "The Comedians", sounds fair. And I don't understand how I could miss that, I've read the book!
Graham Greene is one of my all time favourites, it's a shame he never got the Nobel Prize.
That Harrods fellow controlled the shipping in and out from Haiti? That's interesting.
---
Posted by: Rajah, LAThe only possible place Donald could play in Temecula, CA which is 85 miles SE of LA and 55 miles North of San Diego is the Pechanga Casino Showroom. It holds 1700 seats and looks like this:
http://www.pechanga.com/entertainment/theatershowroom.asp
Bill Cosby is there on March 10th and Chicago appears on March 31st.
Stevee and the Pretzel Logic gang played the Beverly Hills Friars Club tonight. Great room, it's where they shot all those annoying roast shows with Dean Martin years ago, lots of dead comedians depicted on the walls and a giant portrait of Sinatra behind a Baldwin baby grand next to, where else, the bar. The room was so acoustically efficient that the sound guy, nice hanging with you Meer, at one point turned the PA system down to zero to prove his point and the band was just as bright, loud and hot. The room had like a cavern kind of acoustical ceiling, wow nice recording off the board. This was a very nice gig.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoThanks Clas,
Yes, I'd thought about the link to the Cuban crisis, but there's also another possibility. It reminded me of a book I once read and knowing Don's penchant for using the theme of books for his lyrics, I thought maybe it's about the plot of "The Comedians" by Graham Greene, which is about Haiti (not a stone's throw from Cuba and maybe influenced by the Calypso too)under Papa Doc in the early 1960s. Anyway, some of you "oldies but goodies" may have seen the "movie of the book", made around 1967 and starred Lizzie Taylor and Richard Burton. One line in the song that hit me was "I know a fellow with a motor launch for hire". On my crappy old ghetto blaster it sounds just like "I know a pharaoh with a motor launch for hire"....the link?? Well, at the time Mohammed Al Fayed (now owner of Harrods in London)controlled all the shipping rights in-and-out of Haiti.
Ok...maybe my ageing imagination running riot, but this waiting period for the new album is quite painful!!!!!!!
Hey...look at that fairy up on the ceiling......!!!
Chill Greater Dandom!
Ann
Posted by: hoops, chicagoThe Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering December 3-11, 2005.
If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box within the next 12 hours. If you don't receive it, please email me. Again, the main reason I am in the habit of announcing this here is because some people have been having problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of spam filters, firewalls, etc.
The following are the subjects of this particular edition of the Dandom Digest
— Europe Morphing begins Monday, February 27?
— Late March Fagen Concert in Temecula? (Temecula?????)
— REDUX: BILLBOARD: New Fagen Album, "Morph The Cat," & Box Due in early 2006
— Solo Album #3 -- the third time should be the charm!
— Re: New Fagen Album, "Morph The Cat,"
— iTunes interview
— dan items for katrina relief
— Scam
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jim
Posted by: From Carolynleonhart.com, (fwded by h)Seasons Greetings To All!
I'm back in NYC after a great CD Release Tour in Europe with Lyn Leon.
I'm doing only one gig in NYC this month, so get ready, cuz it's tomorrow night!
Monday, December 12
THE BAR NEXT DOOR@ LA LANTERNA DI VITTORIO
8-11:30
with:
Avi Rothbard ˆguitar
Joe Martin - bass
129 MacDougal bet W 3rd and 4th Street
$5 cover, 1 drink minimum
http.www.lalanternacaffe.com
This is a great new cozy venue that has jazz 7 nights a week.
Just go down the stairs and bar is right there.
Hope to see you :)
-30-
Posted by: just me, anyone up for a chat?Anyone for the green?
Posted by: Wink Martindale, Tic Tac DoughYeah they overlooked me for that show too. Instead I got stuck with Gambit! What the fuck is wrong with this picture? Well at least I got the backup vocals gig on the new Fagen cd right?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, W. Alex TrebekThat's Jeopardy, not Wheel Of Fortune.
Posted by: Wheel Of Fortune, I'll take "Anon Identities" for 500...Psst! Grump = Walter
Posted by: C, Guantanamo - torture is the main attraction---
Ann - Cuba.
Viva Fidel!
---
Posted by: Ann, BorneoNo doubt the new album will re-kindle interest in the Nightfly. I was listening to it earlier and was stuck by the lyrics of "the Good Bye Look". Anyone know/have theories about the theme of the song? I have an idea but would welcome others' theories.
Can't wait for Feb!!!!!!
Ann
Posted by: Daddy G., Morphin'Perhaps in keeping with the "Morph the Cat" theme, "Brite Nitegown" anagrams into "Be tiger in town." Coincidence?
Posted by: , Richard Pryor, RIP, at age 65.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Boston: OUTTAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does it protend towards even more...the creative engine revving. Black Cow, I Got the News, Caves of Altamira etc. are examples of songs which began as demos albums before they became finished recordings
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniVery nice. It's good to see stuff like that.
Posted by: Boston Rag, Pop ArtThis might have been posted before but here's a pop art Aja cover..
http://at.sakura.ne.jp/~ems/images/ems039.jpg
Mark in Boston
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniMr. Wilson...thanks for the pic! I remember it being on fever dreams at one time. Glad to finally see it again. And "The Magnificent Lester del Rey"...makes sense that Fagen became "Lester the Nightfly".
Posted by: Boston Rag, in the DF Library of CongressI went to the ASCAP website to see if Mr. Fagen registered his "Morph the Cat" tunes. He has not done so yet (Which I find a little distressing).
I did find some other fairly new songs registered to Donald Jay Fagen. Some of them have been mentioned before.
Rough Stuff
Simone
Islands in The Blue (Hmmmmmmm)
Do Wrong Shoes
The Girl Who Dreams Out Loud (w/Hirth Martinez)
Crossfade (w/Libby Titus and Carole Sager)
Whether or not these songs ever find a publication date, I find it amazing that Donald (and Walter) have always had tunes lying around that never quite made the final cut. They are probably outstanding is some way.
Suggestion to DF Management: Why don't you put these tunes and others as bonus tracks on the MTC/Kama/Nightly box???
Mark in Boston
Posted by: fife, baltimore, ehDonald seems to have an ecletic circle of friends. I found this article about a country album that Rick Moranis has put out. You got to love those hosers,eh. http://www.cmt.com/news/articles/1514480/20051123/index.jhtml?headlines=true
Speaking of hockey: SS you would have been very proud of the Canucks last night, they played hard and beat the Senators in a shoot-out 3-2
Raj: Here might be a solution to your identity theft situation, e-mail hoops your handle and password for the green and even though you don't participate in that arena, nobody can use your handle.
Hoops: You've done a great job in creating a community where those of us who love the Dan have had the chance to meet and greet those of like mind. This place will jumping when Donalds new cd comes out, can't wait!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Joseph C. Wilson, KDawg:
Mr. J. W. Nicol, a poster at the very defunct feverdreams site, discovered this photo of SF writer Frederic Pohl, dated 1965:
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~fifield/forum/pohl.jpg
Caption (according to my edition): "Long John Nebel ran the world's longest and best-rated radio talk show, Man and boy. I appeared on his show nearly 400 times, second only to the record run up by The Magnificent Lester del Rey, who got me into it in the first place."
Posted by: Chrys, PAHoops, you made the ONLY valid and intelligent comment so far on "What I Do" from DF's new one.
"The Great Pagoda of Funn"--everyone, break out your copy of 2vN, look at the front cover, specifically D's shadow image.
Get it?
The song will be a rumination about SEX, you can take that to the (sperm) bank.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, sadfNot sure who's up, but "FM" is on the Sundance channel right now.
God Bless Tivo.
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniWhile on the interview thing....on Andy Metzger's site, he has the interview page with tons of clips. Unfortunately, only number 1 is the only one that works from the show below. Does anyone have 2,3,4 and 5? I think everything else worked on the site.
In the Studio: Aja 60 min 1 2 3 4 5
Thanks!
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniIf that for some reason doesn't work, you can snatch them here as well. Happy listening!!!
http://www.podcastpickle.com/casts/?1333
Posted by: PGE, Find the shows here as well...If you don't have or want to get iTunes, you can go to Nicoles blog and download the shows:
http://radioornot.com/
Posted by: PGE, iTuned inProbably old news as these podcasts where published in July and August, but I just found them over at iTunes and I'm pretty sure there'll be a few more checking here in for news on Donald's new one that might enjoy the two episodes of "Radio or not" by Nicole Sandler, Los Angeles Radio Veteran. Here's from her own description about the shows:
"In February of 2000, Steely Dan released their first studio album in 20 years, "Two Against Nature". I had the honor of hosting an extensive interview with Donald Fagen & Walter Becker for the World Premiere Radio Broadcast debuting the album.
Instead of just posting the show as it aired, I've taken the raw interview and edited in the music we talked about, wether it was used in the final broadcast show or not. You also get to hear all the behind the scenes and background chatter, as well as segments that didn't make it into the show. I hope you enjoy it, share it with your friends, and send in your feedback"
Look for show #5 and 7. Free to download and listen. Catch 'em while you can!
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniB Rag.....nice pic....very funny! The picture I'm referring to is a dj who is sitting behind a turntable and it looks very much like what Fagen did for his album. It's almost a complete knockoff. I think it was linked to the Fever Dreams website some time ago but is no longer there.
Posted by: Mona @ Chelsea Highrise, Dancing Alone at NightIt's not a love song.
Posted by: Boston Rag, Mass PikeKDawg - Here's an even better one. And are you referring to the album that Donald is holding on the cover or the album that influenced the cover photo?
http://www.din.or.jp/~ems/images/ems067b.jpg
Mark in 3 f#(*#(*@ hour snowy commute home!!!
Posted by: Rajah, Elementary Old BeanAnd so...the plot thickens.
Thanks Jim.
Posted by: hoops, Hey Danfans...
Due to requests from variable sources:
1) I am NOT BlueBook Webdrone. (The last line of the post eis intriguing though, given an item received by the Dandom Digest.)
2) As I posted last night the comment about the "big, homosexual ostrich" that Paul Carrack asked about and complemented was in fact written by Snarky who is Ezra Titus, Donald Fagen's stepson. Peter Q (many of you remember him as a regular until a few months ago) was concerned that people would attribute the line to him in a bad way. It's not Peter Q, Peter Fogel, or any other Peter but instead Ezra.
3) As much as I try I can't necessarily follow every thread that is posted or understand inside jokes. If you are upset about a post or something, please email me and we can discuss. I don't always "get" everything that is posted here.
Please be nice to people and thanks to those who are nice to me :-) !
Thanks!
jim
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniJust snoopin' around the ol' internet and dug up this...a painter who has a painting of something most of us know about...scroll about halfway down and you'll see what I mean...interesting.
http://www.labirinto.com/arte/muroni.html
Has anyone found the picture Fagen referred to for his cover of the Nightfly album?
Posted by: Rajah, I'm dead serious.
Posted by: Long DONg Silver, up up and away...So should I cancel these dinner reservations and try to get a refund on the hotel room then? Dammit man, I thought you were serious...
Posted by: Rajah, I wanna be dead serious for a moment. Somebody was in the chat room last night masquerading as me apparently, just fielded an irate phone call. So let me make this clear, I do not go into the chat room, not for any other reason than it's not my cup of tea. So whomever is showing up as Rajah or Raj or raj or any other number of permutations ain't me babe.
And I wish some people would afford a guy the benefit of the doubt prior to reaching out and touching someone.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Raj: drone did say "SD/DF" with the SD first!!! [hopefully we're not string and Drone not felix morphus with our headus]
FanDANgo Wadd: Can you say "iTunes release?"
angel: That was the first thing that came to mind when the Billboard article was released. Fagen would NEVER tour in winter...too damn cold for his tender vocal cords...How about more INSIDE venues?
Posted by: FanDANgo, Wait a minute, I'm not done yet!
What the hell's the sense of releasing the cd AFTER the holidays? Now does that make sense to ya big guy? Does it? Kinda stupid when ya think about it isn't it? Think of all those people who would buy the cd just to give it as a gift to another person! Think Donnie Think! Jesus Christ don't make me do all the math for ya will ya!
Release it now Don! Don't friggin take off for Hawaii and do it when you get back. Release it now. Now Don. Right now Don. Right now dingbat!
Posted by: FanDANgo, Now just a damned second! I was supposed to get my cd in JANUARY, not FEBRUARY! What the hell're you doing now Don? Suspending my release date yet ANOTHER MONTH???!!! Knock off the bullshit and gimme my cd in January son! Matter of fact, gimme my cd now. Right now, right now, right now, right now, right now, right now, right now, right now, right now, right now! Are you starting to get the feeling that I want it right now? RIGHT NOW!
Posted by: Rajah, Didn't see that till now, La Webdrone chimes in and drops the big hints, I'm still sticking to my notion that a Steely Dan tour will support Donald's record and they finally play some Nightfly and Kamakiri. Isn't dumping bagfulls of their standard tunes a must this time around? Everything needs to go. March...let's see, cancel the Apple Valley Springfest, bug-out on Encino Days and postpone the Pasadena. Pussy-Willow Hunt. OK, we're clear, now if the Spousal Unit can finish that life-sized, Dada-inspired nude self-portrait done in oils with a knife so she'll have it in time to present to Donald. Probably have to rent some sort of crane. Tingling with excitement over here.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Found some hinky on-line dictionary:
hink: n.
1. A reaping hook.
...reminds me of the title of Warren Zevon's last album before his cancer diagnosis: "My Ride's Here"
Looks like Lunch with Gina IS Forever! and a Gang of grim ghosts as roadies...
sooooooo...Dr. Fagen has replaced Snoop Dogg on the Girls' Gone Wild spring break dance & beach tour. Hot babes dig tunes about the underworld...as long as the beat's good
Posted by: Rajah, Outside the main PagodaNo, Ethel wasn't as self-involved, oops, sorry precious but most people would be content with The Goodbye Look reference. Outside of some Teutonic hop-quaffing ditties, I daresay it's the only time the name "Gretchen" appears in song. But buck up Pippi, he still has your scarf no doubt, never far from it I'm sure.
Pagodas were apparently co-opted by Buddhism and used as repositories for art and artifacts and so Donald's fascination with religious ritual continues:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagoda
Posted by: FanDANgo, ScaramooshBelieve it or not Gretchen, you ARE mentioned in one of the songs! Somewhere in the middle of the bridge in "Brite Nitegown" Donald specifically mentions "Ethel Mertz".
http://www.booksamillion.com/bam/covers/0/42/517/609/0425176096.jpg
If we combine this with the Rikki Ricardo reference in "Rikki Don't Lose That Number", we begin to see just how much the "I Love Lucy" television series has influenced the music of Steely Dan over the years. It's amazing really...
Posted by: angel, Hey Mu: That would put it as close to the release date of 2VN as is possible, in a non-leap year. We could be onto something here. Thanks PGE!
Gretchen: Stranger things have happened. :-)
Hoops: Mentioned on the Yellow last Saturday the possible connection of Great Pagoda of Funn and Springtime's Funway. Hank Silver then pointed out something I didn't know, that Cash Only Island also had a line that might apply to this. "let's take a hayride to the great hall of fun" Interesting stuff to think about. Especially that pagoda, which brings to me images of aja itself. Not a subject that we haven't seen explored before by Fagen in the past.
Posted by: Blue Book Webdrone, not hinky townMU- It's Hink....not Hinky
Gretchen- Sorry to disappoint but no mention of you anywhere on this one.
Heads up to all SD/DF fans...Don't make any plans for this coming March!
Posted by: Girlfriend, What I doInteresting spot on the Today show this am re: holiday gifts for the hard to buy for. One of the highlighted items was a pair of "morphograpic" shoes which were described as "morphing into the shape of your foot" in under 10 hours. The presenter then went on to explain his concept of morphing as fitting whatever image you want it to.....
As Joey says, "Developing...."
February 27 is a good day, in general for something new.
Posted by: Gretchen, curious as a cat......In all of the various discussions about what to expect from "Morph the Cat," I just have to wonder, (selfishly, I admit) where there will be a reference to ME. I've certainly been visible these last few years....
G
Posted by: Doc Mu, PGE: Thanks! If true that means a Tuesday, February 28 release date for Morph the Cat in the States...
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Hoops recent entry on 'morph' got me thinking-is it going to be some bizzarre follow-up to 'kamakiriad'? Donnies last solo album was based around his musical adventures in the coolest car around, heck knows what he's going to base his songs on if he uses a cat. (I doubt the title is 100% litereal though)
in another entry, hoops said 'the ballad of jon and yuko' was an influence to Donnie. I didn't know that, and it'll drive my familly nuts knwoing it, since they hate anything to do with 'evil Yuko'
The entry about Stanley Den was a neat coinciedence, although the 'plane crash' part kinda spoilt the fun for me.
Nothing's perfect.
Posted by: fife, snowbound baltimoreI found this in my e-mail this morning. Larry Carlton is playing at a Jazz festival in Bangkok, Thhttp://www.bangkokpost.com/en/Realtime/09Dec2005_real01.phpailand.
fife
Posted by: Tomas the Cat, When are you going to go Green Partyinstead of running around leaving commie literature under door mats?
The fact that your girl friend's name is Ruby says it all.
Posted by: ECFFF, DIEEFJSFKJI was just reading about the Chicago plane crash
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/08/chicago.airplane/index.html
A passenger named Stanley Den was on the flight. I thought that was funny. I hope you do too.
Posted by: hoops, Per-Gunnar: if that is correct then this so parallels 2vN. Billboard info followed by web update and then late Feb release. OK. I'm connecting dots I shouldn't but it is fun!
THANKS!
jim
Posted by: PGE, SwedenLet's add to the speculation:
Norweigan webstore Pladekompaniet has Morph The Cat listed for pre-orders. It says the release date is February 27.
http://www.platekompaniet.no/artist.asp?id=00000716
Posted by: hoops, In an article from over a decade ago, DF cited "The Ballad of John and Yoko" as being one his most influential songs. I still remember being woken up by my mom on Dec 8, 1980 when the bulletin came that Lennon was shot. "We all shine on."
jim
Posted by: hoops, Boston Rag: Thanks for always making me smile, brother.
This is a good thread...makes me wonder what these songs are about. If Donald was Lester The Nightfly then I have a hunch he is probably Mr. Morph the Cat on this one--the jazz cat who is morphing or evolving.
H-Gang--leaves me wondering if it isn't an update on the Siegel brothers, Irene and Flocko and little Amy Khan from Teahouse on the Tracks.
What I Do -- well we have an idea given the reports the Ray Charles connection.
Brite Nitegown leaves me clueless...all I can think of is Victoria's Secret
The Great Pagoda of Funn makes me think it could be a followup to Springtime and Funway west from Kama
Security Joan -- we also have an idea given the Billboard report.
The Night Belongs To Mona -- sounds like a love song
Mary Shut the Garden Door -- I read the report and I am still not quite sure what to expect but I keep picturing the BVM and a white picket fence and gate.
Anyhoo. My gut reactions.
jim
Posted by: hoops, Snarky2111 is indeed Snarky and as "Better Than Ezra" pointed out yesterday, he is the stepson of one of our favorite "celebrities." No one to out--they are posting straight.
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfHoops, could you at least "out" whoever wrote the "big, homosexual ostrich" bit? Even if it is Peter, I gotta admire a line that pointless ...
I know boots are an iffy issue around here, but I got a hold of three of Don's NY club concerts with Jimmy Vivino last week, just in time to wet my whistle for "Morph." It's amazing how far his voice has improved from 1991 to 2003, he may not hit all the notes, but his pipes are MUCH stronger from all that touring.
Posted by: hoops, Like I said, just catching up.
Hmmmm...reading some posts where people are judging how this new song from Donald which apparently is in homage to Ray Charles is a commercial sell-out. How so? What are the lyrics? What does it sound like? We know the song title—what else? How do you know it isn't a masterpiece or even a song that makes fun of artists who do sell out using Ray, assuming there are any artists who do that. What I do seem to remember is that when Donald was inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame, DF mainly thanked Ray Charles. Was that selling out then?
The reality is that DF has always maintained how important Ray Charles has been to him...so if Ray died, why in the world Donald not write what was truly on his mind? Do you critics feel that no matter what he might have to say, as heart felt as it is, he should hold it in lest his sincere thoughts and feelings be viewed as insincere? God forbid if someone in Steely Dan should pass away but if that ever happened, should I not speak, write or create about because it could be construed as cashing in?
Like I said, I'm open to the possibility that maybe I won't like this song, but why do a couple of you like to dwell on the negative before you even know what you are criticizing. That's pretty sick if you ask me.
You know, 99.9% of everyone is wonderful, but there are always one or two blow hards who want to seem superior and sophisticated and they only way they can seem to do that is to tear something down that they don't even know something about. And worse they pretend they know something about everything by name dropping when in fact they are clueless.
jim
Posted by: hoops, Just catching up.
Really not a lotta rage so much as three people with problems posting under different names to look like multiple people to give the impression of a lot of rage. At least one of them I've bent over backwards to be kind to through the years and they still feel insatiably entitled and pretend to others that they are so innocent and so smart and wonderful. Like I've said through the years, if you just ignore'em and they get fed up after a while.
Will catch up on the rest of stuff. Fly low and be cool.
jim
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?Anybody who knows the exact date, hour, minute, second and milisecond 'morph' is due to release gets a virtual sweetie.
(Virtual menas you don't get it. You have to IMAGINE...)
if anyone here buys the very first copy (well, first one available to the public) I'll send them a sweet in the post (despite not knowing anybodys adress. If I did, I would actually bother to post that crummy little sweeet)
Posted by: Doc Mu, Raj: Memories morph quickly or slowly either quick fired or cajun stirred. Ride the wave of the limbic system. Lots of cognitive studies show this.
That's why one's truly a reliable witness...particularly to their own lives, unless you have a mutant hippocampus like Howard Cosell. The trade off is you know everything, but understand nothing. Friends real and imagined or passed visit in daydreams or still of the night...
The chaos of everyday life picks up a memory fragment or two or three or forty like a giant snowball scoopingup branches and leaves as it hurtles down a steep slope. Events and crises flood back memories gone for years. and who can stop a flood?
I suspect insecurities at or beneath the surface stir up a maelstrom with anons, regular anons, and trout dragging Libby's offspring into a drive by... some fear they will lose attention as it becomes drawn towards the new one...whatevah...chillin' with a stiletto
Posted by: Tommy cat, The most ideal climate camelotI know morph very well meowwwwwwwww
Posted by: Rajah, Christmas Yet to ComeMadonna mi, a whole Pandora's Box of raging spirits in here lately, what it portends is anyone's guess, some disruption in the biosphere. I sense a lot of unresolved rage out there, someone needs a good Rolfing. Dr. Rolf claimed she found a correlation between muscular tension and pent up emotions. Little did she know the cyber world would provide another outlet. Whatever, rage on, don't make no nevermind is what I say.
Mind if I venture something about Morph? Reading all your very fine comments and the song titles, this thing has the potential to be one spooky record, lots of disembodied spirits, talking to dead people, strange pussy - I mean kitties, I get the feeling of darkly lit interiors, visual and emotional memories, people in your past who might as well be ghosts except for the memories of them, good and not so good. Darkly nostolgic, Donald does a lot of that. The past is a funny thing, you can be done with it but there are times when it isn't done with you, all of a sudden, bang, it's back in your face. So a lot of who you were and some of who you still are when you get to be - ahem - of a certain age is memmories, some you keep close and hold dear, others you banish to the nether regions of consciousness but like typing things on a computer, nothing ever really gets erased, it's all still there. We can't reformat our hard drives like on a computer but we do have a thing called the passage of time that does tend to flatten out memories, good and bad, and you get to the point where you don't think of them as good or bad, they're just things that happened. Unless one comes walking up to you on the street, cause then there's no escape...
Posted by: The Lab, Your lab results are inph you are way more acid then alkaline the litmus paper never lies so why should you?
Don’t pretend to be a positive force in the universe let a lone in this toilet.
Posted by: grump, "I'm sick of musicians and yes donald, pimpin the memory of Ray Charles."
I agree, sorta. They're more like businessmen than musicos anyway. They'd a done better as like vegas casino owners. And note the vicious, humorless dorks that hang around 'em. Downhill from like countdown to ecstasy.
Posted by: the Ghost of Christmas past, Sussex EnglandPh
for God's sake turn a round" It wasnt me that started that ol' crazy asian war..But I was proud to do my patriotic chore.. You whiner! you made it to the cryin towel again..this poor fan base reduced to yelps and donald oh donald..
When I first enjoyed this band they had soul & heart and I never encountered this non savy credit card travelin band of flunkies who seem to follow every move now.
oh it's cryin time again..I'm sick of musicians and yes donald, pimpin the memory of Ray Charles.
I'm off to the whore house in Seattle, at least she looked in my eyes and sings quite well.
Posted by: grump,
Hey Snarky: yr a cheap joisey shit....like yr mama. yr insults and yr writing, like that of yr cronies here, are typical doowoppy adolescent tripe. as far as homos, I think that's yr speciality, puto: seein' that you're part of that clever (and not completely untalented) posse who've been tradin' on bill burroughs product for what 30 years or so.
Posted by: Doc Mu, OK
"Morph the Cat" = not so adorable ghost?
"H Gang" = ghostly Underground from Hinky Town?
"What I Do" = Conversation with ghost of Ray Charles
"Brite Nitegown"
What's the deal here? Rumor has it this is the longest track. The non-standard "brite" and "nite" spelling suggests a product. Something else on the ghost theme? Something worn by a ghostly tour guide - like the Ghost of Christmas yet to come. A magic gown that turns the wearer into "I see Dead People" John Edwards (not the Senator/trial attourney)
You zombie, be born again my friend...
Posted by: ygk, nycAlkali: I was at one of the MSG shows, and although the group I was with was unabashedly over-the-top Cream phreaks, my response was more of, *shouldershrug*....
and my take on it is that the memories you have of something you love are probably best served as memories........
ygk
Posted by: Alkali, NYCSo I sat, uncomfortably, through PBS’s Great performances last night as it featured “Cream”
Wow, I was never a fan of theirs and after last night’s concert, I’m even less so.
From the opening number “I’m so glad” I knew it was gonna be a long night.
Clapton’s tone is almost as bad as Vai’s. Where Vai’s sounds like a tortured mosquito Clapton’s sound like a tortured cat.
The only two tunes that weren’t terrible were “Layla” and “Badge” I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they’re non Clapton songs.
I have to admit that all three guys still have pretty good chops…after all these years.
By the way, Ginger and especially Jack look like death warmed up!
Our appetites are being whetted by Fagens album and track name(s):
"Morph the Cat"
"H Gang"
"What I Do"
"Brite Nitegown"
"The Great Pagoda of Funn"
"Security Joan"
"The Night Belongs To Mona"
"Mary Shut the Garden Door"
"Morph the Cat" (Reprise)
It’s anybody’s guess as to its concept(s)
But, I get the strange feeling that the tune “Morph” and its reprise is/are gonna be killer.
Let’s hope its near perfection as “West of Hollywood” is, my only gripe for that song is not the length of the sax solo but, the player. Potter just doesn’t do for me. I think Marini could have done a better fit.
January can’t come soon enough.
“It started out good
then it got lots better”
Peace
A
Posted by: ph, For God's sake, people!
We hear good news for the first time in ages that Donald Fagen's new album actually does exist, has a name (and tracks, with names!), and will be coming early next year. But no, you anonymous cowards just can't take the idea that something good may be happening and the Bluebook wont be the post wasteland it has been for the past couple months. You start attacking the regular visitors, you start attacking people's opinions. Instead of a place for discussion about the new album, this has become a bloodfest to vent your most undesirable emotions. Get a grip. Get a conscience. Go back to kindergarten where they tought you to be kind to each other, respect each other, and generally not be the bastards you're being.
And of course, because I said all this I'll probably start getting flamed. You'll probably call me gay, you'll probably say I'm in cahoots with Rajah...but at least I have the gall to put my regular handle on my posts.
A short while ago we all got the mistaken impression that Rajah would be leaving the Bluebook for awhile and I don't see why he shouldn't. If I were in his shoes right now, I'ld never bring up this URL again my life. I'm about to do just that anyway, do you think the rest of us want to read all this crap? I feel the most sorry for Hoops. If I was HIM, I would take the site completely offline. But that's just me.
Posted by: IDTC, The Frozen NorthIf the new one is Lalo Schifrin/Mancini/"Route 66" kinda stuff, that would also be very cool.
But what would be coolest is a seamless amalgam of the above PLUS the phat groove R&B thang.
Throw in some Debussy and you've got one for the ages.
The jejune and prissy badinage here lately is getting a bit boresome, really you know.
Posted by: Rajah, Hoops' Gang, I like it.
Posted by: Ich man Jacket, Unt Van HandleMu s unt do you smell z flowers unt wintee, mein frog. un z little boy run off by abba and and stoic mamm's.
Posted by: Paul Lynde, Palm SpringsLook fella Sammy and I were hip to this Rajah ..Fellini thing a couple of years back. How would you like to be the tut's that lays down next to this mackeral at night
Posted by: Rajah Fire In the Hole , I doubt it is your new favorite I think you have been singing this tune for a long time.
Posted by: Ann don't you get it?, about Fema and the Red Cross ?The money that is supposed to reach the poor often disappears before it makes it there.
Are you people just high on drugs or what gives? Can't you like music and have a political and social conscious at the same time?
There are much better places to donate to then the Red Cross. Why not roll up your sleeves and invite a family who is homeless from Katrina to come live with you in Borneo? You can take them up river to buy some antique beaded baby carriers, woven mats, bags and such and then get your picture in Time Magazine.
Hoops I think we all got that Keith is dead put thanks for the repeat right after someone else just posted it.
Posted by: Gina, Tin Househttp://www.tinhouse.com/issues/current_issue/toc.html
Since we're 'on the subject', if you click the link above and scroll a little, you'll find an edition of the literary magazine Tin House for which Ezra Titus contributed a story...
This is tangential Dan and peripherial, is it?
Posted by: Boston Rag, .H Gang = Hoops' Gang
Now everyone stand up and take a bow....
Posted by: SS, HKIsn't hinky a word detectives use when something is, as you say Mu, out of place or funny ? Crime conotations.
Posted by: Hmmm, Morphin'Could H = Hoffman for some reason? I don't recall this "artifact" ever having made an official appearance although it's been lurking on the DF.com server for quite some time. Is Hoffman morphin' here?
http://donaldfagen.com/i/artifacts/hoffman.jpg
Posted by: Doc Mu, to whack or not to whack Raj: H= Hinky?
hinky:
Something that is out of whack, just a bit off, wrong, confused, suspect.
Example: His directions were a bit hinky, no? That milk taste hinky to you?
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdf"big, homosexual ostrich?"
Posted by: Rajah, We move the log a step closer...
Posted by: Snarky2111, FLAGrump wrote: "People in the public eye are fair game for insults." - True, and if they, or their friends have an opportunity to respond to those insults, they have a right to do so. As far as the rest of your blathering, Grump, it's no longer worth my time. You've fallen into my game, and now, all I have to do is watch you circling in the toilet. It was luxuriously easy with you because you're nearly illiterate and you have an inferiority complex. If you had any talent, like the people you disparage, you'd spend your time more productively. I enjoyed getting you all flustered like a big, homosexual ostrich just by writing something that made everyone else giggle. Since you can never undo the damage you've done to your own image through your superstitous, womanly histrionics, I suggest you find a new message board and try starting over. Here, you've been exposed as the jealous, dim-witted buffoon you are. Finally, I think all your homo-erotic threats say a lot more about you than they do about me. Thanks for being such easy prey. Now, I'm off - to right the other wrongs perpetrated by other sexually confused men on the sleazy corners of the global information highway. Grumps - You sir, have been marginalized. Snarky Away! Victory is mine!
Posted by: Rajah , All right then bitches, inform me.
Posted by: Aren’t you over generalizing again Rajah? , Kraft Country Southern CA
“Gay men have good manners generally, are well-educated”
and like to lick tortellini too.
Enjoy your meal.
Not all gay men are well-educated. That is like saying all straight men love bowling and eating turnips.
Dying to watch the dailies of your new cooking show - NOT!
Thanks again for another aimless share about nothing with Kraft added to it for real down home LA flavor.
Step away from the microwave. Another frozen dinner night at Rajah's.
Just what are those rat assholes stuffed with?
Posted by: steelywonder, Richmond, Va.Hello, I haven't really been around since the last tour, and I didn't really post much around then, but two things have caused me to come back -- 1) a desire to reduce stuff/clutter around the house and 2) a desire to help musicians affected by Katrina. To that end, I'd like to offer up an official program from the 2000 tour (http://www.steelydan.com/Images/2k/merch/tourbook.jpeg) that is in excellent condition, almost like new, along with a medium shirt from the same tour (http://www.steelydan.com/Images/2k/merch/duo.jpeg) that has been worn maybe twice, since it's too small for me. First one to contact me via email at scoxflex AT comcast DOT net –- with a promise to donate whatever you think the tourbook/shirt are worth to one of the two relief efforts below -- and I will send you both, with the shipping on me.
Cheers,
Shawn
New Orleans Musicians Hurricane Relief Fund: www.nomhrf.org
Tipitina's Foundation: www.tipsevents.com/foundation/advance/relief
Posted by: Morph, Rajah....
H Gang? The heroin gang? Not even close.
Posted by: Mario's Italian tips, MilanRajah what would Freud say? Tortellinis look like little rat assholes and yours might very well be made out of 100% rodent. Don't over cheese them with Kraft again. Try and keep that E. coili soiled turban out of the pasta sauce for once.
Mario
Posted by: Rajah, Can't you all please behave, it's Xmas for fuck sake, have a little respect for each other dadgummit and especially me. Here in my new kitchen just west of Hollywood, I'm cooking up some tortellinis prior to bathing them in garlic, truffle oil and parmegiano Reggiano. I'm complimented by the queer invectives, gay men have great taste, they have good manners generally, are well-educated, appreciate the arts and most of the finer things. The fact that they may like to get fucked in the ass has very little influence on my thinking and really shouldn't in yours. Grow up.
Get over your homophobia and let me stretch your mind:
H Gang? The heroin gang?
Posted by: R U there, HeraldAnn of Borneo
Posted by: Paul, http://www.nndb.com has pages on Walter and Donald.
http://www.nndb.com/people/075/000031979/
http://www.nndb.com/people/074/000031978/
Posted by: the Dead R dead and greedheads is right, nothin' leftPhil's kid learned to say limo before he learned to say mommy.
Phil pretends he has never had a voice lesson but he signed up with a voice teacher as soon as Jerry died.
The left over remainders of the dead are so hypocritical. Mickey’s drum crap is just plain boring and so is Mickey. What an ego that guy has.
They are basically going to hell in a bucket along with Barlow and his E channel gossip about John Kennedy junior. It is embarrassing to watch.
Posted by: Marisa Urruti, Buenos Aires I am appalled by grumps postings get the Mr. Clean out.
The delusional dirt bag has no idea who is who.
Marisa Urruti
Posted by: Corpsy V, Semantics Mountain<In American slang, 'skank' is an adjective referring to one who is undesirable for unacceptable behavior. Most often this behavior relates to drug use, sexual practices, and/or personal hygene and style. Originally associated with a bad smell and/or scummy or dirty surface, it has come to refer to someone who is either or both physically repugnant for their filth and morally or socially repugnant for their behavior and demeanor, most often sexually. ...>
Skank's not a nice word, not nice at all. Skank... skunk... could that be related?
So I demand to differ, monsieur Grump. Most likely I would humbly offer my apologies if a Blue visitor/Dan fan were to step forward and states he/she is offended because he/she is related to Jeb Bush who doesn't burp after lunch and furthermore, it doesn't sound like thunder if he gives in to the inclination. I would crawl back to my cave laughing if he/she then whispers Jebulah smells like a skunk lifting the tail as if it's a puppet on a majestic divine string of Odeur Heaven, as soon as he opens his raggedy mouth. But I would have to apologize sincerely, all the same. For I do not know mr Bush and know nothing about the guy.
And this ain't the National Steely Dan Enquirer, is it?
To be honest, it's a really weird idea to be given all of these song titles now... It's even weirder to think about what it did to our minds when Orchids/Summer Rain fell into our laps like honey dew... And now see what happens... A few words changed our vision, our ideas and anticipation. Spooky!
Posted by: Johnny Wadd, Live LONG and prosperOkay, Wesson it is!
Posted by: grump,
oo the joisey pizza boys now doing their pizza porn!
my flavor? Smith and Wesson, putos.
Posted by: Long DONg Silver, Hey Grumpy, try the "Blazing Jalapeno" flavor!
Feel the burn!
Posted by: Johnny Wadd, Live LONG and prosperUh... Grumpy, what flavor sex oil would you like on this thing?
(I ask that of all the ladies)
Posted by: grump,
I never disputed that SD was a great band. Don Fagen solo is not bad, but is not SD. As far as Miss Titus, I know little to nothing about her and her career, and really don't care to. She may be a nice person. Indeed she may be nice, as well as a lil' skanky. I do object to freaks who turn into homicidal maniacs when reading "skanky." People in the public eye are fair game for insults, and the Dan posse are fairly well-known. We here in Netland can refer to Babs Streisand as skanky; call Hillary Clinton a manipulative dyke. George Bush a dimwitted fundamentalist. Al Sharpton a stupid phuck. Martin Scorcese a cheap joisey bitch. Heh heh.
Posted by: Corpsy V, Dildo Steel FactoryThat's what all of us Danfans DO, dear Grump. We treat ourselves very very gently with the gift of that Burroughs' Steely Dan, one that lasts for over three decades, never bores, never wears tired, never runs low on energy, never needs to be told to wash up before dinner or leave the smelly socks under instead of in the bed etc etc. When you hit the 'repeat' button it goes on and on and on and on and on and on...
With the new Fagen album on the rise, the songs that didn't make the final mix are just as interesting, aren't they? Orchids and the Summer Rain still calls out as if it's one of those Sirens... are you tied to the mast tightly enough...
Posted by: Impartial Observer, hereIt appears that one Marshall Mathers has returned, with his astounding vocablulary in tow, to ask his eternal question,
"Who the fuck is Steely Dan?"
Welcome Marshall.
Posted by: grump,
How about this, "Corpsy"
fuck yrself, you chi chi joisey bitch.
Posted by: Corpsy V, Grump Moulding MountainGrump, you're not amusing and whilst insisting on your insults, you're also very poorly informed. I suggest you educate yourself a little better (the internet has a lot of info available) before deciding to pollute the forum here, since people would rather imagine Joey typing with his nipples than to read your .........., now THAT's a thought to stick to as glue :-)
I would LOVE to have an Arthur Rubenstein relative as a father and grow up in musical environments that were and are significant in American music/rock n roll history. It's something to take pride in, a legacy that grows in merit & value as years go by. Wondering where Joey is, off with the circus to show off his typing nipples, or in a nipple contest with the Bearded Woman of Rajahville (perhaps it's best to talk FOOD in the company of his Turbanship...)
Posted by: Rajah, Mushrooms do NOT go with pepperoni, it's sausage and mushrooms; pepperoni stands alone.
Echos from the future sounds more like an ass-aching blast of flatulence from the past if you ask me and I just did.
Baba Wah-Wah Rajah
Posted by: YGK, nycDrop a letter off of your fine, fine, nom de plume, and you would be part of the title of a Laurie Anderson tune, which was 'narrated' by William S. Burroughs.....(CLASSIC!!)
"Sun's going down. Like a big bald head. Disappearing behind the boulevard. (Oooeee.)
It's Sharkey's night. Yeah. It's Sharkey's night tonight.
And the manager says: Sharkey? He's not at his desk right now. (Oh yeah.) Could I take a message? And Sharkey says: Hey, Kowasabe! Long time no see.
He says: Hey sport. You connect the dots. You pick up the pieces.
He says: You know, I can see two tiny pictures of myself And there's one in each of you eyes.
And they're doin' everything I do. Every time I light a cigarette, they light up theirs. I take a drink and I look in and they're drinkin' too. It's drivin' me crazy. It's drivin' me nuts.
And Sharkey says: Deep in the heart of darkest America. Home of the brave.
He says: Listen to my heart beat. Paging Mr. Sharkey. White courtesy telephone please."
lyric by Laurie Anderson
Posted by: Better than Ezra, grump- Snarky is the son of that celebrity's wife you called skanky. Now do you get it?!!
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniHey Philippe...sorry I didn't see your post about Eye To Eye. Not bad stuff from those kats. That woman has a voice that reminds me of Basia or the lead singer from Swing Out Sister...very soothing.
Does anyone out there remember the picture that Fagen used to make the Nightfly cover? I remember a dj sitting with a clock behind him. Fagen did a great job of making it look very similar. I remember seeing it at one time, but I don't remember who or where.
Thanks!
Posted by: Joey, Here is the track list for "Morph the Cat":
"Morph the Cat"
"H Gang"
"What I Do"
"Brite Nitegown"
"The Great Pagoda of Funn"
"Security Joan"
"The Night Belongs To Mona"
"Mary Shut the Garden Door"
"Morph the Cat" (Reprise)
I'm now so excited that I am typing this with my nipples .
J. " Snuggles " Fly ! ®
Posted by: Corpsy V, Tempura MountainDid I wade in my shiny red boots in Alligator Country for nothing or what? Barely survived getting punched in the nose with a crocodile leathered purse by some Floridian nurse (she thought I wanted to steal her thunder, which wasn't accurate since it wasn't thunder, just Jeb Bush burping after lunch), only to find my way into Blue then and get totally overwhelmed by the Donald Fagen news and his new album! And then to find this joyous thrill followed by sheer shock, oh my God, what horrible characters our world beholds, is this juvenile court or the jestered version of it?
Snarky, you devilish little imflammable Satan-you, we need individuals such as yourself in our corner, I'd be happy to show you the ropes and how creative one can be when tied up, uhmmmmmm... You made my Corpsy day for which I say grace & gracias, thanks for the Snarky spark to lit a new Steely Dan universe, one we can embrace while eh... morphing?
What happened to Jobim and the Orchids/Summer Rain? Is this Morph the Cat news trustworthy, has anyone tried to contact the Billboard author mr Jonathan Cohen? Does anyone know where mr Cohen lives, tried to get a hold of his mp3 player, the cd-player in his car, his home? Do any of you with well-connected peeps fired up your gung ho activities and shake your connections for more information about the new album or what???
When fighting off that crocodile purse, I overheard someone talk about exciting things.
If anyone wants to know, sign up for the SD Salvation Army first and you'll be briefed asap,
Clicking Her Morphing Boots,
Corpsy V
Posted by: Philippe, Pau FranceHello Doc Mu and KDawg, glad to see that you dig Eye to eye. I mentionned their new album a few weeks ago but nobody on the Blue seemed to care. Now I know the big thing is Donald's new one but there are not many occasions to hear the kind of music we love and Eye to eye is definitly one, so don't wait for Morph the cat, do yourself a favour and order "Clean slate" asap. You can also get their two first cd's, they have been recently reissued and yes, they don't sound dated at all, I guess they were a little bit ahead of their time in the early 80's, I didn't realize at that time how "solid" it was and I'm rediscovering them. Donald is playing a short solo at the end of "On the mend", last song on their first album, exquisite, please listen to it.
Bonne journée.
Philippe
BTW, did any of you sheck if Donald already booked some concert dates in N.Y, Roseland for example?
Posted by: funny as hell, St. PaulGrump you have a crystal ball phony boy you don't know who's who.
Nobody has threatened you with death Freddy Frat. This band draws the biggest wimps now.
Posted by: grump,
mr. hoops: Ich denke you need to get your priorities straight, and chastise those who need to be chastised. Read the messages---I make an offhand comment about some celebrity's wife as skanky and then miss mafia-trout/snarky whomever begins in to death threats--which I have bookmarked as evidence. I never make physical threats or any sort of threat or even real obscene comments.
And Miss Snarky--you into death threats? Maybe you should be more into finding yourself an attorney to keep you from being the bootie bandit's next cell-mate, puto .. capiche, hipster
Posted by: hoops, hwt/grump/whatever, snarky, others...Give the insults and B.S. a rest. You don't have to agree with everything I write or others, but the way you are doing it is really a disservice to the rest of us, the effort put forth here and the board in general. Having anonymous posting to reap tips about the new one is worth the extra effort it entails but you are really abusing things. People know trout is nuts but they nasty way you guys are disagreeing is hurting the place. Knock it off. h w t, snarky could you contact me via email? I'd prefer to continue the rest off board. I'm a kinda sick of people posting venomous crap about people they have little or no first hand experience with.
As for dissing the song DF has about Ray Charles, how can it be criticized so nastily when we haven't even heard it? Maybe it's the one Ray tribute that doesn't cash in. Maybe it's as sublime as "Deacon Blues." And if it ends up it is not so good, is sappy or cashes in, then I will complain here about it, but not in such an acerbic way that turns everyone off.
As for the Grateful Dead, was a Deadhead from the early 80s to the mid 90s I agree some of the commercialism from three of their surviving members is to the point I won't see The Dead but will see Robert Hunter and Phil Lesh. If you read more about it, their two lyricists and Phil Lesh are much more against the commercialism including supporting the free downloads of shows. It's a rift and, yes, all is not happy in Deaddom—Weir especially comes across the media as a schmuck, although I can't say I have ever experienced that first hand. But I disagree with this view saying everyone in Grateful Dead are completely commercial or have sold out.
I don't mind debate but when you start calling people you don't know skanky and dis recordings you've not heard then you are way out of line and really hurting the very community that gives you a place to voice your opinions.
jim
Posted by: Snarky2111, DeathamphetamineLong Dong Wrote:
"Hey Snark,
Nubile young Hawaiian chicks... You got the LDS man a-thinkin'. Got any hot shaved asian teens you ain't using right now bro? Yo help a nigga out!"
- I got your back brother. Help me snuff Grump and we're homies to the end.
- You drink Coors and Olde English in six packs
- I'll ride a Harley with a fifth of Jack.
- Snarky - The Great Satan of the Internet
Posted by: hmmmm, the playgroundDid you plan this, Ann? I'm sure we can all come up with a suggestion for a creative name.....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051206/ap_on_re_as/indonesia_new_species
Posted by: Long DONg Silver, A hearty hi ho!Hey Snark,
Nubile young Hawaiian chicks... You got the LDS man a-thinkin'. Got any hot shaved asian teens you ain't using right now bro? Yo help a nigga out!
Posted by: Snarky2111, DeathamphetamineThey don't make ludes anymore, and that goofball is using a forum that respects SD to disparage them and the people they care about. Not even death will stop me from disemboweling him, over and over ... ha ha ha - (My stuff IS kind of "creative" ay? - I'm Damien.)
Posted by: Daddy G., NJhttp://ilx.p3r.net/thread.php?msgid=6490284
Just idly Googling and came across the above site with the same Billboard piece we've all seen. But what I found interesting (in a nerdish sorta way, I suppose) was that one of the commenters was apparently anagramming on "Morph the Cat" too and then did "Donald Fagen" which can be rearranged as "Dan fan ogled." Cool.
Posted by: Snarky2111, FLAGrump - It doesn't matter how much money you have when you're an envious jerk. You'll always be sub-par as a human being, and nothing will change that. Also, as empty as physical intimations are on the internet, I would enjoy having your entrails bound up in the drive shaft of my car. And when you're old, you'll wear your colostomy bag right over your heart, as an indicator of the quality of your emotions. When death comes for you, I will be there, to cannabalize your children and defile your grave. Then I'll mail you off to Haiti in a box and ornaments will be made out of your organs. - Satan Laughs As You Eternally Rot. I'll be in Maui if you need me. Screw you.
- Raze
Posted by: Snarky2111, FLAGrump -
Fortunately, everyone you mentioned has a "pension" large enough that they can hang out and laugh at people like you for the rest of their lives. Still, just for fun, if I ever meet you, I'll make a necklace out of your fingers and gouge your eyes out with an oyster knife, moron.
Posted by: woodstock, Dr. Mu ``And don't forget that Levon and Donald both had the same wife.
Posted by: Boston Rag, .God, I hope the web people at donaldfagen.com are up to the task of presenting Morph The Cat. I'm getting damn sick of looking at that B&W shot of DF on the main page.
Santa - All I want for Xmas is some 10 second preview audio clips.
I'm betting the title track is a phat groove thang. Especially if it's an outro reprise.
Mark in no snow Boston
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfDan -- Great post.
Posted by: h w t,
Dead as commercially motivated as any band these days however. All these Without a Net, From the Vault live albums etc. Mostly all standard Dead tunes just done in different Venues, and the CDs with all the usual graphics, go for 20 bucks at least. Zappa/Barking Pumpkin sells for about 1/2 the price of the usual Dead Corp. CD, and FZ CDs usually feature a few obscure and jazz/classical pieces on 'em that smoke that hippy noise. The Dead ought to give the shit away at this point. Not deadheads, greedheads. Made mucho millions touring in the 80s and 90s.
Posted by: h w t,
re-- dead
awraht it wasn't hornsby yet, it was Brent Myland right before he O'D'ed...Branford on Eyes of the World works
Posted by: Doc Mu, I believe Levon Helm and Donald Fagen have houses within a stones throw from each otther in Woodstock
Posted by: Me, I've got some concert bootlegs that I like listening to better than AiA.
The 96 tour seems to be my fav.
Posted by: h w t,
That's right Dr Mu. AiA is great despite the not so perfect recording (tho not that bad really). Book of Liars a way cool tune--and Becker's lyrics as dread as any Fagen ever wrote. The arrangement tweaks keep it from just being a generic live album--quite different sound than the recorded versions; Bernhardt a very tasty player: Sign in Stranger horn charts were cool, as were Reelin' and the Aja tunes, Kid C.
Dead's Without a Net is alright. Lesh's MIDI horn bass is phun; I heard him do that at Shoreline in what '91. Hornsby adds an intereesting edge but sort of pop-like; I think the later Dead recordings were burnt--Jerry especially--and the band lacks the energy of 70s and 80s; Europe '72--that was the Dead
Coltrane Live at Birdland
Posted by: John, NYCYeah, Alive in America is laughable. What were they thinking? The recording is essentially flat. I have a friend who runs a small studio in MI and when I was up there we were listening to some great live albums through his monitors and Alive was by far the worst. As far as SOUND QUALITY and not performance goes here are the best IMO:
ROLLING STONES - NO SECURITY
ROCK AND SOUL REVUE - BEACON THEATRE
GRATEFUL DEAD - WITHOUT A NET
WILCO - KICKING TELEVISION (ABSOLUTELY AMAZING)
ROXY MUSIC - LIVE
JOHN COLTRANE - LIVE IN SEATTLE (DOWNRIGHT SICK AND REMARKABLE)
Posted by: Hevon Lelm, On Blues BeachFrom the Times Herald-Record - Middletown,NY,USA:
"Woodstock – U2 sells iPods. Paul McCartney hawks stocks. But Levon Helm, who's sung some of America's great rock songs – about drivin' old Dixie down and goin' up on Cripple Creek – sues to keep one of his tunes off a cell phone commercial, even though the former member of The Band filed for bankruptcy.
Levon, as folks around here call their neighbor, just charges you $100 to come to his home and watch him make real music with real musicians, like his buddies Dr. John or the guys from Steely Dan. He did that again Saturday night, when the woman with the voice as earthy as it is ethereal, Emmylou Harris, made her way down Levon's bumpy dirt driveway to his woodsy home."
"Guys from Steely Dan"? Who? Did Walter and Donald drop by Levon's for a nice little jam?
http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2005/12/05/silevon.htm
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYWhile we're on AiA, I feel like ranting.
Alive in America is by far my least favorite Steely Dan effort. Some highs and lows:
Babylon Sisters - I've never been a fan of the shifted key in the live versions of this song. But especially this version. I preferred the original Purdie shuffle drum approach (thankfully it came back in full effect in '03 with Keith Carlock!!) and Don Grolnick's airy and open sounding phased Rhodes piano. Then again, it's hard to compete with the near-perfection of that studio version...
Reelin' in the Years. I like the studio and this reworked version about equally well. They're almost like two different songs, but in a good way.
Book of Liars - a great moment (and much better than the studio version)
Third World Man - (yawn) I love the studio version of this song, but wow--they just took the life out of it here. Way too slow, the stanzas are way too soft.
Kid Charlemagne - not much on this version personally. The drums are a little overblown and inappropriate at times. The arrangement of the instruments is a little off for some reason in my opinion--I think it's the vibes.
Sign in Stranger - I just quite simply do not like anything about this version. The horns, the vibes, the reworked bridge... ugh.
Basically, the lifeless sounding Rhodes piano, the (inappropriate to the songs) vibes, the sound of the guitar, and the rearrangements are frustrating on this album. And basically, most of the songs from this they still did live back in '03 were better in '03. The mid-90s musicians may have been "more talented," but they didn't play as well together as the current Dan band.
Alright, enough ranting.
And for what it's worth, I will be quite happy with Donald's new effort if I hear an R&B backbeat and ninth chords. I dig that stuff.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Both are right in a sense. You must separate the Engineering AND venue from the Performances. NYR&SR was recorded at the Beacon Theater - great venue and sound system. James Taylor recorded his Hourglass concert live on PBS at Beacon. Best sound I've ever heard on the tele. It's a DVD now. NYR&SR features stellar vocal performances, a tight band, a crystalline venue. Scheiner at the board. Wonderful balance on the sound.
I'm with h.w.t - really GREAT Performances on AiA. Check out Erskine and Bernhardt work it during the instrumental breaks on Book of Liars and Green Earrings. Drew Ziiiiinnnnnggggggg on Third World Man, the revamped Sign in Stranger with a cool sax chart. Lots of small to sizeable changes in arrangements throughout the album makes it interesting A resurrected Reelin' Eclectic and effusive Aja. Perfunctory on the surface, but tight and mighty performances of Peg, Josie, Kid C.
It;s difficult even with closed mic strategies to get a great sound out tin roof outdoor venues, cow palaces, and marginal acoustic open amphiteaters. Back to Beacon or Roseland might have been better.
...and the there's the overdubbing...Oy!
So you end up the a semi-processed Live Rock album sound. Why? They largely toured in places that would bring in the most $$. How many of us listen to Kansas live or Who Live at Leeds even once a year??
Posted by: h w t,
production vs. the REAL thang
I've got some recordings of like count basie --tootie, 1 o'clock jump etc.--some way swingin' music; same for early Bird parker, chet and mulligan, or django and grappelli, goodman's band.....phuck some of the best sax ive heard is a cut of Sidney Bechet playing from like the 20s or Whitehead's band with Joe Venuti...mothers of inv. and some beefheart as well---and then listen to some overproduced pop-rock crap from like the 70s or 80s---i dont know--that sappy bitch Elton---ugh....i'd take rough live recordings of real musicians over endless studio fluff any day.............it' nice to have both---and with say Royal Scam you did
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, PAR & B backbeat and ninth chords? That's my kinda music, bruthah. Tired of it? Hell, I can't get enough of it!
Here's hoping DF is EXPANDING on that funky groove thang, like what the Brecker Bros. were always about.
Art/funk with lots a' ninth & thirteenth chords. Deliciously strange modulations. Mixture of tonal and modal harmony. Exquisite voice leading in the chordal harmony. Upper extensions as melody lines. Unusual phrase structure. Unconventional melodic rhythm. Great jazz-based soloing. Ultra cool, meaningful 'n' relevant lyrics.
Hey, I'll take it!
Posted by: h w t,
so it's not a "no static at all" production...I listen to the music and arrangements...not the engineer's board technique....and the band (the one featuring wadenius) was again about the best Dan on record; except for maybe live takes of the early Dan (with Diaz and Skunk) at Santa Monica I believe. A later cut like, say cousin dupree, however immaculately produced is more R n B product; charlemagne off of Alive is no r n b product
Posted by: Yes, hwt- Alive In America is not only the worst sounding SD record but maybe one of the worst recorded live albums ever. The NYR& Soul Revue is amazing!
Posted by: h w t, Alive In America was about the best Dan product since, well, Royal Scam if not ...Ecstasy. That band was better than the later touring bands methinks as well (Wadenius on Charlemagne---yass vati): they were still rockin', and had not become the cyber-funk band of EMG. Don ought to just wear a 'fro
Posted by: Morph, Dwight...The whisper is Eliot Schiner gets a much better sound out of SD than Roger Nichols does. Listen to Alive In America (Nichols) and then go listen to The New York & Soul Revue (Schiner) and you'll see what I mean. I know these are live recordings but you'll get it......
Posted by: h w t,
Ah Brutha Ray Charles. Can we say ca-ching? At least DF does.
Not a good sign, if you've grown a bit tired of the mo-town tendencies of recent Dan.
check out the samples on Amazon or whatever--if the first cut starts in with that r & b backbeat and some ninth chords, take a paseo and maybe buy a zappa or debussy CD instead --or Vater Bach
Posted by: Doc Mu, "mulls the ramifications of a ghostly feline, chats up the late Ray Charles and ruminates on aging and death on 'Morph the Cat,'"
DaddyG: The way I read it, assuming the author can manage standard English, the 'ghostly feline" refers to the lyrics of the Song "Morph the Cat" while "aging and death on 'Morph the Cat'" refers subjects covered on the Album "Morph the Cat." Nothing on the iTunes music store yet.
Posted by: C, Over Here---
You're right, I didn't know about Knudsen. Although Knudsen is a Danish name, he and the Doobie's wasn't a big act over here in Europe, and certainly not in 2005.
Maybe some Europeans heard "What a Fool Believes" on the radio 1978.
---
Posted by: Southern Pacific , Country Rock
Stu Cook, John McFee, Tim Goodman, David Jenkins, and Kurt Howell formed this group in mid-1983. Southern Pacific's rock & roll past constantly dogged the group's reputation. Keith Knudsen and John McFee were former members of The Doobie Brothers (McFee had also played alongside Huey Lewis in a band called Clover), original lead vocalist Tim Goodman had recorded a solo album, and Stu Cook performed in Creedence Clearwater Revival. Even when Goodman left the band, they replaced him with another ex-rocker, former Pablo Cruise vocalist David Jenkins. They did have one member with strong country roots: Kurt Howell played keyboards for Crystal Gayle.
Southern Pacific signed with Warner, and released a strong debut album in 1985, though the media continually questioned the band's commitment to country. The group plied a very danceable brand of country, and hit a high point with their 1988 album Zuma, which included their biggest single, "New Shade of Blue." Eventually, Southern Pacific left country music, intending to pursue a pop career.
Posted by: Dwight L. Chapin, The DistrictWhat's the whisper on Roger Nichols? Was there an incident? A falling out? Drama?
I'll understand if this is all about the analog tracking on EMG. Once you go black, they say...
Posted by: FP, ebay centralI have a autographed Gaucho album cover for sale listed on eBay if anyone is interested. Both the boys signed it.
Posted by: Bubba Bling, throwin' down with the SD thingI thought it was gonna be a nice bouncy song about a cat named "Morph". You know like the grandson of Fritz? If it turns out to be about some death shit I ain't buyin' it!
Posted by: Daddy G., Well, duh...The other day I wrote:
"I was also thinking that given the sleep meaning of Morpheus, 'Morph the Cat' could sorta be a roundabout way of saying 'put the cat to sleep.' >>>Maybe an album dealing with aging and death as underlying themes?<<< Not really sure where that train of thought might ultimately lead, but just throwing it out there for whatever consideration it may merit---likely not much."
NOTE TO SELF: "Well, DUH!"...
I was just rereading the Billboard announcement and I see right there in the first paragraph:
"Steely Dan principal Donald Fagen finds love in an airport security line, mulls the ramifications of a ghostly feline, chats up the late Ray Charles and >>>ruminates on aging and death on 'Morph the Cat,'<<< his first solo album in 13 years. The nine-track set is due early next year via Reprise."
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Now I KNOW I read the announcement as soon as I first saw it in the Digest, but I honestly had already forgotten that bit in the first paragraph (my mind being mush apparently---unless I remembered it sub-consciously). By then I was focusing more on just the title/s and what it/they might suggest by themselves.
Of course, it still remains to be seen whether or not the reasoning behind the logic that got me to that theme holds up at all. I'd bet "not even close" just because, well, I'm an idiot apparently.
I'm sure there were more than a couple folks who must have had the "Well, duh!" reaction if/when they read it. Sorry. Didn't mean to be repetitive or re-state the blindingly obvious. To be honest, I'm a little surprised no one caught that and pointed it out. Guess we're all just a little giddy with anticipation. :-)
Also, it doesn't seem from what the Billboard piece says about "Mary Shut the Garden Door" that it would have anything whatsoever to do with the Fairlawn gene-splicing "announcement." Sounds more like it could have something to do with the White House >>>Rose<<< Garden based on the description given:
"...imagines a 'thuggish cult' taking over the U.S. government on 'Mary Shut the Garden Door' ('So if you ever see an automaton in a midprice luxury car / Better roll the sidewalks up, switch on your lucky star')."
Although I don't really see how that quoted lyric could relate to the thuggish cult taking over the government... Guess we'll just have to wait and hear for ourselves, eh?
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniI had a funny feeling that Fagen played on Jabberwocky...sounds like his synth in there. Good call.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Jabberwocky, Shakespeare Stole My Baby and TWASari are the best songs on Eye to Eye's second album - good stuff. Fagen plays synth on Jabberwocky and Katz mined deep into the Steely Dan soundscape
Posted by: KDawg, Mt. BelzoniI checked out Eye To Eye and Jabberwokky is a muct have tune. Really upbeat and funky....with a touch of Dan thrown in. Not real hip to most of the rest of it, but I'm only listening to 30 sec. clips of the albums. Here is the link...I urge you to check this stuff out.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000068TN4/qid=1133830230/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-9773021-4331964?v=glance&s=music
Posted by: h w t, that is, I wager the Dan boys KNEW O'Donohue too, that is Michael O'--O'Donohue: C'est mort
Posted by: h w t,
Chase, Chevy plays decent jass piany as well; he appeared a few times on some of those Tom Snyder or whatever late night thangs and performed in a Bill Evans-brooding ex-junkie style. Chevy may be entertaining, or may have been, but he's pretty mutha-f-n unstable too. Co-caine rollin' round the brain.
I wager the Dan boys know O'Donohue too, that is Michael O'--one of the great original SNL writers (along with Chase) who was quite the beat kitty.
Happy Griswald-mas
Posted by: hoops, ChicagoAbe: I think you mean "The Leather Canary" All in good pun.
Article from today's "Chicago Sun-Times" on Carly Simon and Ben and Sally Taylor and their performance tomorrow night. In the article, it talks about how Donald Fagen and Dr. John were frequent guests to their NYC apartment when Ben and Sally were growing up. The brother and sister cite Donald as a major influence in their musical development. Can you imagine growing up in a household where Mom is Carly Simon and James Taylor is your Dad and Donald comes by for music lessons? Surreal in a really cool way.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/cst-ftr-carly05.html
jim
Posted by: ph, DJ,
http://steelydan.com/faq.html
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.Donald said something about death on that Taxicab thing from EMG, something about how as you get older you need to think of death in a different way, I imagine he meant with more of a sense of humor, more acceptance. Dying young has much more of a tragic element while there's nothing more normal than dying for say an octoginarian. You sure don't spend much time worrying about the future cause maybe this is it I suppose.
Posted by: Abe Vigoda, of PunnIt's true. Chevy played drums in their band know as "The Feather Blueberry."
Posted by: DJ, Is there any truth to this that Chevy Chase played in a band with the boys at Bard?
The link:
http://www.who2.com/donaldfagen.html
Posted by: h w t,
"...the minute [her] husband Keith took his last breath [she] got on the horn to FP. [She] knew he would want to know while the body was still warm."
Aw yeah.....and she prolly puts on the pager and the ad in the back pages of the Weekly....time to par-tay for the Merry Black Widow
Posted by: Abe Vigoda, of PunnLike everyone else, I'm all excited about the upcoming release, "Pork the Fat." Can't weight!
Posted by: ., After the last post by Hoops, I'm not sure why you had to followup with another post, Your WhatevaH to Be.
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?It's kinda hard to hold a two minute silence over a guestbook, when we don't know who's on and who's of, but wherever you are folks, hold a two minute silence, or commemorate Knusdens death in your hearts some way or another.
Posted by: hoops , Hey everyone.
I have sad news to report. Doobie Brothers drummer Knudsen is dead. He had cancer a while back in the 90s and it was a drain on his health ever since.
[ Aside from being sad about this—isn't this the third Doobie to pass on to that great smoke cloud of wonderful smell?—I'd rather people post without worrying about whether it's been posted or not previously. I'd hate to find out that, for example, someone was actually the first to post some new update about "Morph the Cat" but they decided against posting for fear maybe that news was mentioned before somewhere. So when in doubt, post and I'll come to your defense. ]
jim
Posted by: Kate Knudsen , Sonoma CAActually Skipper the minute my husband Keith took his last breath I got on the horn to FP. I knew he would want to know while the body was still warm.
Posted by: Or could it be FP?, Some of us have livesand are not up on the latest obits? Get one.
Posted by: FP, Skipper..You're right. Clas who lives in Sweden and get news out of the U.S. 9 months after the fact didn't know either.
Posted by: Skipper, Dead Doobie...Old news to you perhapsFP just because you knew does not mean the entire rest of the planet did.
I just found out and I knew his first wife Tracy and had been to their home before. I was out of the country when this guy died. I am sure other people did not know either.
Posted by: ., Q-Donald have a producer on this one? A- No, DF produced
Q-Anyone know who engineered? A- Scheiner.
Posted by: h w t,
Cool. Maybe even a Tyger? As in Blake's Tyger, tyger ..in the forests of the night? That would work with the Fagenmeister's lit. sensibilities.
Posted by: curious, Does anyone know whether Donald had a producer on this one?
Anyone know who engineered? Was Scheiner involved? No Roger I bet.
Posted by: ., .hwt ~Morp the Cat is a tiger.
Posted by: h w t,
We are for the Dan, i.e., Steely Dan, world's most famous steam-powered dildo; are we thus for Don Fagen solo? I'm not so sure. Herr Becker, bad cop to DF's good cop, the DeNiro to the Pacino as it were, keeps DF away from the overly Joe-Jackson-y land of Nightfly I think. DF is very talented, but perhaps away from Danopolis he's a trifle zucker-y; or maybe he's tired of the Dan gloom (wakin' up one day did Don stress at realizing he was a character in a Burroughs' novel?----and remember El Viejo, Doc Burroughs this holiday season--Feliz OsirisDad!). Let's hope that Morph is an alley cat and not a housekitty.
Posted by: scott, bloomingtonWhile we will all be excited about the release of Donald’s new album in the coming months, wanted to go off on a Steely Dan tangent a bit with an update of a true “blast from the past.”
Does anyone remember a group from the early 80’s called Eye to Eye? The group was basically two performers/songwriters – Seattle vocalist Deborah Berg and British keyboardist Julian Marshall. Their jazzy vocals and dissonant harmonies got their initial album into Billboard’s Top 100 as well as the single “Nice Girl” into the top forty. Gary Katz produced their self-titled debut album and the session players were right from the Steely Dan playbook – Jeff Porcaro, Dean Parks, Chuck Rainey, Elliott Randall, etc., - even Donald played on one track. With all these influences, Eye to Eye was even touted as the “female Steely Dan” !?! Unfortunately, Warner Brothers did nothing to promote them and after the 1983 follow-up album was poorly received, and Eye to Eye disbanded.
Anyway, and don’t ask me why because I do not really know, but I put the Eye to Eye debut album on the turntable the other day and was surprised at how well the songs had held up over the past 20+ years. Out of curiosity I did a web search and found that Eye to Eye had recently regrouped and released a new album called “Clean Slate” this past September! I was able to order it through the UK Amazon website (for some reason it is not found on the US Amazon site) and was pleasantly surprised again at how good the group sounded again. Definitely recommended for those who may have enjoyed them so long ago. This time around however, and despite being partially recorded in New York, I did not see any Steely Dan connection to album - it was co-produced by Rhett Davis (of Roxy Music fame). Check it out - www.eyetoeyemusic.com
Posted by: PL, Lucky Go Figure StarThe style of morphing was perhaps most famously employed in the video former 10cc members Kevin Godley and Lol Creme (performing as Godley & Creme) produced in 1985 for their song Cry. It consisted of a series of black and white close-up shots of faces of many different people that gradually faded from one to the next.
Posted by: Pesto Logic, Lucky StarMorph the Cat & Mock the Dog
H Gang & Why Reen
What I Do & Where You Go
Brite Nitegown & Big Knickers
The Great Pagoda of Funn & The Little Buddha of Doom
Security Joan & Calamity Jane
The Night Belongs To Mona & My Credit Cards II
Mary Shut the Garden Door & John Open the Cellar Window
Morph the Cat & Mock the Dog (reprise)
Posted by: Clas, I heard that the weight of this worlds problem...... is enought to make this ball fall right through space...
Knudsen dead? That's too sad. Doobie's rythm section was a thrill.
Listen to the intro to "I'm here to love you".
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Posted by: FP, Skipper.... Great drummer/old news.
Posted by: Doc Mu, SS: Yes. Morph has the first song AND the reprise - you can't keep a good cat down!
Skipper - that's a shame. The Doobs rhythms section was able to make quite and adjustment when Michael McDonald joined. Livin' on the Fault Line is a tight little album.
fishface: Banques of chaos in your mind overdrawn again?...take a slo-boat to the big island and leave Raj alone They'll need a bazooka for a needle gun. Surely, Ahhhnaud has cut the methadone program by now. Walt's gone, bitch!
Posted by: Skipper, Kipahulu
Doobie Brothers drummer Knudsen dies
By KIM CURTIS
Associated Press Writer
Published February 9, 2005
SAN FRANCISCO -- Keith Knudsen, the longtime Doobie Brothers drummer who was part of the band during a string of hits that included "Taking it to the Streets" and "Black Water," died of pneumonia Tuesday. He was 56.
Knudsen had been hospitalized for more than a month, according to the band's longtime manager Bruce Cohn.
"I just saw him Sunday, just before the Super Bowl," Cohn said. "He was in good spirits. He was weak, but he was OK."
Knudsen began drumming in eighth grade and joined the Doobie Brothers in 1974. "After a week's rehearsal, I went on the road with the band," Knudsen said in his biography on the band's Web site.
The Doobies were known for incorporating gospel and jazz stylings into popular hit songs. They also were well-regarded for their live performances. Their other hits included "China Grove" and "Jesus is Just Alright."
Knudsen played with the Doobies until the band's 1982 farewell tour. During the band's hiatus, Knudsen and bandmate John McFee formed the country rock group Southern Pacific, which released four albums and had several hits.
He rejoined the band full-time in 1993.
"He's going to be missed," said Tom Johnston, the band's founder. "We're going to miss him on drums. I'm going to miss him as a buddy."
Knudsen, who lived in Sonoma County's wine country, had cancer in 1995 Johnston said.
"It left him weak and I don't think he ever fully regained all his strength," Johnston said.
He said the band was currently performing about 100 concerts a year and is scheduled to release a new album this summer.
Posted by: Skipper, Kipahulu
Doobie Brothers drummer Knudsen dies
By KIM CURTIS
Associated Press Writer
Published February 9, 2005
SAN FRANCISCO -- Keith Knudsen, the longtime Doobie Brothers drummer who was part of the band during a string of hits that included "Taking it to the Streets" and "Black Water," died of pneumonia Tuesday. He was 56.
Knudsen had been hospitalized for more than a month, according to the band's longtime manager Bruce Cohn.
"I just saw him Sunday, just before the Super Bowl," Cohn said. "He was in good spirits. He was weak, but he was OK."
Knudsen began drumming in eighth grade and joined the Doobie Brothers in 1974. "After a week's rehearsal, I went on the road with the band," Knudsen said in his biography on the band's Web site.
The Doobies were known for incorporating gospel and jazz stylings into popular hit songs. They also were well-regarded for their live performances. Their other hits included "China Grove" and "Jesus is Just Alright."
Knudsen played with the Doobies until the band's 1982 farewell tour. During the band's hiatus, Knudsen and bandmate John McFee formed the country rock group Southern Pacific, which released four albums and had several hits.
He rejoined the band full-time in 1993.
"He's going to be missed," said Tom Johnston, the band's founder. "We're going to miss him on drums. I'm going to miss him as a buddy."
Knudsen, who lived in Sonoma County's wine country, had cancer in 1995 Johnston said.
"It left him weak and I don't think he ever fully regained all his strength," Johnston said.
He said the band was currently performing about 100 concerts a year and is scheduled to release a new album this summer.
Posted by: SS, HKMust be about the cat.....nine lives...nine tracks on the album.
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Posted by: Doc Mu, Morph: 9 lives, ghostly. Old Black Magic. Could be a walk through a person's life...like a feline ghost of Marley and Christmas' past...
fishbait: Yawn...Is that sand in your eggo? Those longer injection needles should be handy for those sedatives
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Posted by: Daddy G., NJThe thought has crossed my mind that "Morph" could be short for Morpheus...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpheus gives this list of meanings for Morpheus:
* The principal god of dreams in the Greek mythology.
* one of the names of Dream (DC Comics), a fictional character in The Sandman (DC Comics Modern Age) comic book.
* Fictional character from the film The Matrix.
* A family of protein coding genes.
I omitted a couple, but those seem to be the most potentially relevant given Donald's penchant for SF and fantastic storytelling. The gene one could be relevant given the Fairlawn "announcement" regarding splicing vegetable and human genes together.
I was also thinking that given the sleep meaning of Morpheus, "Morph the Cat" could sorta be a roundabout way of saying "put the cat to sleep." Maybe an album dealing with aging and death as underlying themes? Not really sure where that train of thought might ultimately lead, but just throwing it out there for whatever consideration it may merit---likely not much.
Morph could also be short for Morphine and that would bring in the drugs and/or drug abuse angle. But that whole area seems more like a Steely Dan thing than a Donald thing to me although of course I could be wrong about that.
It's fun to speculate and then it'll be interesting to see how the reality compares when we finally hear it... Can't wait. I'm sure the album will be "dreamy."
Posted by: h w t,
perhaps "morph" works both as verb and noun:
Morph as in change, alter, etc. So a cat that morphs; with cat as in hepcat, musico, maybe--so like Feliz the Cat, Fritz the Cat, Morph the Cat (indestructible almost, with nine lives) ; rollin' with the changes, keepin' up wit da jones....
Posted by: Ashley, The cat ignored her. "We come a long way. Now morphs are made up of pieces of everything, buildings, stones, vegetables, governments, sounds, smells bits of cloth, marbles. You can’t look at anything any more and be sure it is not a morph of a different color."
Posted by: WC Fields, Someplace Far Awayhttp://www.terrain.org/fiction/6/must.htm
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000B0MYV2/sr=1-15/qid=1133734917/ref=sr_1_15/103-2179385-9985452?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=3888811&s=jewelry&v=glance
Posted by: Gretchen, foggy freezeThe review of MTC indicates that in the title track Donald "mulls the ramifications of a ghostly feline." Hmm, could it be similar to
"But sometimes in the corner of my eye
I see that adorable ghost ..............."
I seem to think "Morph" is the cat's name, as his pet "morphs" in a ghostly way into the image of an ex. Whether he is sober or not at the time remains to be heard. A little like "Blithe Spirit," with a feline twist.
But what about
"I had a little birdy friend, by morning she was gone......."
Cats and birds, you know the drill. Could the "birdy" have been the reason for the breakup in TIMTM? And if she was gone by morning, had the cat/ex made that happen? Something to ponder. I need a glass of red.
G
Posted by: moray eel, mprphI think "morph" is being used as a verb and "cat" is representing death. Morphing the Cat may be searching for ways to mitigate death. Cloning? Cryogenics?
m.e.
Posted by: Moochie, house on mu corner h.w.t.: That's Trout, one of our visiting psychos.
Morph the cat - like Shock the Monkey. Morph into the cat. Prowling the languid and bittersweet streets. Silent, cute killer. or Cool Cat. Louis Prima kinda cool cat. Dancing on the keyboard cat. Not yet CAT-atonic. Avoiding CAT-astrophes. Maybe a trip to CAT-mandu
Hey fishheads - Walter is vamous. big adios. Kiss the checkout boys goodbye. Scram-ous
Posted by: Rajah, L.A.OK Paris, now THAT's decent diss, thank you for restoring the faith.
Hobo, they hate me cause I'm beautiful, obviously, now shall we redirect all this bile into something productive and focus on the following list and try to decipher what is up with dat:
"Morph the Cat"
"H Gang"
"What I Do"
"Brite Nitegown"
"The Great Pagoda of Funn"
"Security Joan"
"The Night Belongs To Mona"
"Mary Shut the Garden Door"
"Morph the Cat" (Reprise)
SOH, "morph" I'm sensing is an imperative verb, no? Change the cat, change into the cat...become the cat...be the cat?
And I wonder what charms Joan, Mona and Mary have in store for us.
Posted by: h w t,
Why the anti-Raj spite? Rajaholio, the Blue's own Deano Martin, seems capable of entertainment and wit, and a decent taste in muzak (Dan, and Tull yes!), even if he makes occasionaly slips of taste (McCarthy-O). Weird. Maybe its a Anti-California thang: California: we are not all criminals, er, or at least felons
Posted by: Mr. Lapage, I have a hunch that "Blistering Firecats" has something to do with MTC.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/as28
If you search for the word morph, it appears frequently on this page.
Posted by: Mr. Lapage, From The Study of Language, written by George Yule (Cambridge University Press - 1996), page 79 (Chapter on Morphology).
“Thus, the form cat is a single morph realizing a lexical morpheme. The form cats consists of two morphs, realizing a lexical morpheme and an inflectional morpheme (plural).”
Posted by: KDawg, "It's Forever"Here is a chapter from a story called "Ashley int he Computer". In this chapter, a cat talks to the girl. The cat mentions that it is a morph. I'm probably reaching here, but who knows, Don might be a fan of this guys work!!!
http://www.themanwiththeladder.com/writing%20for%20web%20don/ashley%20in%20computer/Chapter%208.htm
Posted by: Baba lui Lie, Alexandria Va.Holy Moly SouthOfDetroit may we call all you clowns in now.
"after all it's a barnum and bailey world, after all
Posted by: Doc Mu, hwt, DaddyG, Dan: Is Donald Morphing into a cat? Is he the aristo-Cat? Is he channeling Creme & Godley? The aliens from Tomorrow's Girls sneaking into society as cats (1st song) and taking over the gov't ( last song)?
Good thinking re: Fairlawn (what was than anagram for Lewis Fairlawn?) radioactive orchids? Oh yeah, they were talking about Chimeras (after the Greek creature with the lions' head + wings
http://www.wildlife-fantasy.com/artwork/chimera.jpg
They actually exist - where DNA from one species is spliced into another.
Such as the mouse growing the human ear
http://www.livescience.com/images/chimera-mouse-ear.jpg
Even Jules Verne would be repulsed.
In Jurassic Park, the Dinosaurs were chimeras with frog DNA to filling the missing sequences of DNA
should we search the gonzo ruthlessreviews.com site that Ezra hangs out in for more answers?
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KYThe connotation I immediately applied to "Morph the Cat" for some reason... I assumed one of the many meanings behind it (it's Donald--he wants it to be ambiguous and open to interpretation) to be the narrator is the "cat" (like in the phrase "he's a cool cat") undergoing the morphing. Of course, that's just taking it on one level.
Damn. Is it early '06 yet? I'm getting anxious already waiting...
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Amarone Anyone?"Morph" in this sense I believe is a verb...
See "Magic: The Gathering"
Or Fellini...
Or Polanski...
Or not...
SOH
Posted by: ph, So, what should I name my new cat?
"Morph" or "Mr Lapage"? Beings that I don't know what new sort of Dan-esque sleezbag character Morph may turn out to be, I'm not really sure I want to use the name yet. But you can't get any lower than Lapage, methinks.... :D
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a cat named morph...morph the cat...hmmmmmmmmm..is morph a noun or verb there?
Posted by: h w t,
a named morph by Fagen? sounds promising, yass, perhaps cyberpunk-manga, hopefully not too much mo' mo-town again as with first part of EMG and lotsa 2vN...
really ah could hear Don, maybe with Walt, doin' some cool standards album......few ellington tweaks, maybe like stella by starlight, etc., some 60s70s stuff, corea, miles dread, spaghetti western, mancini goofs, best of jobim, maybe a sort of blue note soul jazz workout...with their hornmen....wadenius or someone such as that.... yass bluesters rally ....
awraht..time for some X-mas music--------------FZ hot rats.....little umbrellas......dwah de dwah....de dwah deda dwah dhu dwauhhh...de dedwdwah...de dwah....notate that puppy
Posted by: Peter, Lake Tahoe Nev.I rest my case.
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Posted by: Rajah, L.A.That's "Queen" you friggin moron, Jesus, the quality of the diss is really piss poor of late.
Tis the season I guess, yeow. And what is up with all the crazy SPAM stuff? Phentermine, what is that and will it grow hair I wonder?
Only other song I can think of with the word, "pagoda" is "Come You Back to Mandalay" by Mr. Sinatra.
Peace My Brothers and Sisters
All Is One
Posted by: Daddy G., Moving right along...You know, just because we haven't actually heard note one of the new album doesn't mean we can't start dissecting it... :-)
______________________________
Does "Morph the Cat" have anything to do with "Missy's kitty turn inside out she say?"
______________________________
Anyone think that with the overall morphin' theme "Mary Shut the Garden Door" could be connected to this Christmas '04 Lewis Fairlawn entry in the DF.com announcements section?...
http://www.donaldfagen.com/announcements.html
"...a horrifying local rumor (from an excellent source) about secret government experiments with genetically modified organisms. One such experiment involved a crop of sugar cane and human DNA! The mind's faucet chokes and sputters.
Jeepers!
Creepers!
What's with the peepers?
Gov't stalks that gawks
With eyes like hawks
No...
Eyes like Marissa [>>>Does Marissa = Mary?<<<]
Sweet Marissa
Slap back that cane
And try to kissa
But it's we who's watchin' YOU baby!
Jeepers!
Creepers!
Anywho, things seem to be looking up for a >>>2005<<< release. I'm stoked. And the gnarly countdown continues!...
Aloha from Lewis"
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Finally, the mad anagrammer ran "Morph the Cat" through his machinery and came out with these possible hidden messages/clues/morphs:
Moth Chapter --- Another bug theme a la "Kamakiri(ad)"? [Japanese for "Praying Mantis"]
Mother Patch --- Like a nicotine patch, but for someone with Oedipal issues?
The Top Charm
Match Her Top --- A fashion theme in "Brite Nitegown?"
Match Her Pot --- Maybe there's some weed in Mary's garden...
Match the Pro / The Pro Match
Patch Her, Tom --- Who's Tom? Is he a Dr? A major dude a la Major Tom?
Patch Me Thro' --- Trying to communicate something...
The Prom Chat --- Sounds more Nightflyish...
Hep Cat Mort H. --- Who's Mort H.? Leader of the H Gang?
The Roth Camp
Thermo Patch --- Sounds science fictionish...
The Hot Cramp
Crap Them Hot --- First you get a "hot cramp" then you... No, I didn't just say that.
The Moth Carp --- More gene splicing?
Chomp Threat
The Rat Chomp --- Which caused the "chomp threat"...
Act the Morph --- Is Donald changing styles?
Harp Tech, Tom --- Is there a harp on the new album?
H. Chart Tempo --- Horn charts?
Pro Math Tech
The Math Corp. --- Some sort of corporate sponsorship?
That CPR Home --- Some sort of slang for an old folks home?
Torch the Amp --- The new album will be smokin'?
Hot Mech. Part --- From the torching of the amp?
The Porch Mat --- Sounds nice and homey
The Chop Mart
Chop Her, Matt
Torch Them, Pa --- Hmmm, tales of murder & mayhem once you get past the porch mat?
Hatchet Prom --- Homage to Stephen King's "Carrie" in "The Night Belongs to Mona?"
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And yes, I'm aware I have waaaay too much time on my hands. :-)
Posted by: Peter, Lake Tahoe Nev.Hey Rajah who died and made you Boss, talk about white bread & milk toast. Get back to the other Qeens in the deck pal.
Posted by: Gretchen, the night belongs to me, not Mona...........Jesus Hank, you know an awful lot about the side affects of poor digestion........you must be an expert from your own experience! Have a cup of peppermint tea.
Anyway, there's something on the grey January horizon to look forward to! Who's going to be the first one to build a pagoda?
G
Posted by: FP, It's coming!
http://www.metacritic.com/music/upcomingreleases.shtml
Posted by: Yes, Hank = Trout
Posted by: Gary, AtlantaLooks like Donald may have recorded and/or mixed a lot of Morph the Cat at Avatar Studios in New York. He was in there in April, May, June, July & August. http://www.avatarstudios.net/news/whos_in/index.html
Posted by: His Lordship To Be, Worldlywise, I Realize, That Everybodys Crazy...Am I myself Or Just Another Freak?I'm with Rajah. Hank, go stick your impotent ferrets where the sun don't shine (there are several of these. take your pick)
Hank, I reckon you're the kind of guy who walks into a building just so everyone inside it can end up hating you.
Posted by: Rajah, Go fuck yourself Hank. Do not come into our crib and diss us.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoThanks MysterioSo,
I suspect you're Donald!!
LOL!!!!!!
Posted by: MysterioSo What, House on Mu CornerAnn: Word on the street is late Feb. Nightfly - like, but unique. Variety of styles. 70s guitars. Freddie Washington is down at the bottom. Tastes like chicken. Laid back horn charts. Harmonicas R Us Some Wurly birds. H-gang and Security Joan primed for singles. Very, very fine. Shine up the Grammys.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoWOW!!!!!!
Best news this century!!!!
Do we have a release date yet??????
Has anyone checked if we can pre-order from Amazon????
Ann
Posted by: Boston Rag, Countdown to Morph!Yeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaa!
This CD sounds like it's going to slick, cool and a lot of fun!!!
But did we expect anything else?!?
Mark in Boston
Posted by: I.E., New Fagen Album! SWEEEET!
Posted by: Doc Mu, pH, Raj: Yeah, we have the wrong guy running the CIA. They could use the help... A new book from an insider suggeststhe CIA from top to bottom is still stuck in Cold War thinking...like that's a shock!
Come to think of it, that's all wetside stuff...more like I'm sinking into senility, not Dr. Fagen...
Posted by: ph, wait a minute....Sorry to double post, but I just thought of this:
"Orchids" was probably some fake subproject of Donald's that he "leaked" to get all of our hopes up for something completely different than what he was ACTUALLY planning to release and to foil the possible bootleggers. Yah, that was probably it. Sounds like something he would do... nice work.
Posted by: ph, looking for my flat hatMu, that's what I want to know!! :)
This news could not have made me any happier. The album sounds like it's gonna top The Nightfly. "Security Joan" reminds me of something though. For some reason the name "Rita" pops into my head. Hmm... I dunno.
Posted by: Rajah, Once again...that rat fuck skunked us all.
Well done, Donald, can't wait.
Posted by: Doc Mu, The future looks birght!! Sounds a bit on the effete cyber punk side...with the title track, H-Gang etc.
So...who's gonna be the first to find the Orchids outtakes?
Posted by: HeyMike, Back seat of the ChryslerWOW--awesome news! But its like have a girl tell you she'll finally hop in the sack with you but she's leaving for Europe with her parents for a month!!
Posted by: hoops, The Dandom Digest has been sent, this time covering November 25 through December 2, 2005 and it offers the info from the "Billboard" article below, plus more.
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Posted by: , BILLBOARD
Fagen Faces The Future On Third Solo Album
December 02, 2005, 4:15 PM ET
Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.
Steely Dan principal Donald Fagen finds love in an airport security line, mulls the ramifications of a ghostly feline, chats up the late Ray Charles and ruminates on aging and death on "Morph the Cat," his first solo album in 13 years. The nine-track set is due early next year via Reprise.
Fagen is backed on the set by such familiar Steely Dan sidemen as drummer Keith Carlock, guitarists Wayne Krantz, Jon Herington and Hugh McCracken, clarinetist Lawrence Feldman, pianist Ted Baker and saxophonist Walt Weiskopf, among others.
As usual, the album is highlighted by the unique blend of Fagen's imaginative storytelling and the groove-oriented, backing vocal-laden pop for which Steely Dan is renowned.
He woos an airport security screener on "Security Joan" ("Girl you won't find my name on your list / Honey you know I ain't no terrorist"), talks shop with Charles on "What I Do" ("He says, 'Don don't despair -- just take some time / You find your bad self -- you're gonna do just fine'") and imagines a "thuggish cult" taking over the U.S. government on "Mary Shut the Garden Door" ("So if you ever see an automaton in a midprice luxury car / Better roll the sidewalks up, switch on your lucky star").
"Morph the Cat" is the follow-up to 1993's "Kamakiriad," which debuted at No. 10 on The Billboard 200. Plans are in the works to release a boxed set featuring that set, "Morph the Cat" and Fagen's 1981 solo debut, "The Nightfly."
Here is the track list for "Morph the Cat":
"Morph the Cat"
"H Gang"
"What I Do"
"Brite Nitegown"
"The Great Pagoda of Funn"
"Security Joan"
"The Night Belongs To Mona"
"Mary Shut the Garden Door"
"Morph the Cat" (Reprise)
Posted by: hoops , AWESOME NEWS! Thanks so much!
Posted by: lovethisgig, atlantaInfo on the new Fagen album. Very interesting.
No mention of Orchids or Jobim tho.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001613695
Posted by: h w t, that is, I will agree it's pretty f-n creative and complex
Posted by: h w t, Mu: "Greenbook, Pixeleen, Gina and EMG sound like Nightfly on LSD and Wm. Gibson"
Yeah I will it's pretty f-n creative and complex, musically and lyrically. Maybe unpolished. And I hear the cyberpunk influence as well--certainly Greenbook and Pixeleen. I dig it with reservations; its edgy, sort of bitter and harsh, stoli on the rocks with some limon. Weiskopf's sax playing is not bad at all. The rap on Slang is cool---listening to it the other day I thought it was about like a prelude to like some red light phunn in Amsterdam. That gal Carolyn has quite the erotic voice dat's for sure--on pixeleen as well. As with Gibson's writing, there's a bit of a manga-porn edge to it.
Posted by: Doc Mu, In fact, I imagine that if you put the Later half of The Nightfly and last half or EMG together sprinkled with some Brazilian accents...that's what the new Fagen album might sound like...iand we might hear it soon, if Dr. Fagen can back away from the Avalon Studios Pro Tools HD set up!!
Posted by: Rajah , Being totally straight with you, man.
Posted by: Doc Mu, hwt: Mick H. leaned more pop later, but "Sad Ol' Red" sounds nuthin' like Motown.
You're on the right track about EMG. Greenbook, Pixeleen, Gina and EMG sound like Nightfly on LSD and Wm. Gibson. I suspect they're all heavily Donald tunes. First half sounds a bit tired. I like Things I Miss the Most as a tune, but the rhythm section is a rehash of Hey 19 without the vitamins.
Walt's pretty phunky on Slang though. Give him some props there!
Posted by: h w t,
grazi, Rajalio, even if you are being ironic--sarcastic.
whilst I was residin' 818-way, ah went to la vie lee a few times--on ventura bully right? studio ci-tay. A bit too chi chi and drinks overpriced. what is like a coors now? 4 bux. I can't hang in a place that charges 5 bucks for one brew: gotta save that for ...er..panoche ya know. And Smokin' Johnnys (next to zappa headquarters), I would hang there afew times, tho I get tired of blooz, ho's and $4 beers after about an hour.
Posted by: Rajah, Whomever you are, HWT, you fuckin rock dude.
Posted by: h w t, Cafe Moriarty
but that's a bit harsh i guess. there are brit guys that can rock, maybe. (let me try to think of one) . the chick complaining that the yanks are controlling the muzak bidness is not completely mistaken.
brit blokes who rock............um...............hmmm...............robert fripp maybe 50% of the time..........................keith emerson on keys when he's not doin' the hoedown schtick...........and the stones, notwithstanding the monumental lips with ego up front, has a wicked rhythm section and keef has the groove if not the flash....jimmy page played about one righteous riff per album .................eric clapton way overrated tho........
Posted by: h w t,
Simply Rot! Ughsters, man--too Mo-town meets Mersey beat for moi. The thing that puts Don and Walt Inc. above nearly all run of the mill popster is the changes man; Don's awareness of Ellingtonia, or Miles, Mancini even, with some rock: and the Mo-town should be done lightly, if at all. I mean if you izz adding some chitlins at least chitlins ala Muddy Waters or Hendrix. The R n Bness of EMG grows a bit tiresome; better the freaky discordant stuff of green book or the jam on Lunch with Gina. That's sort of a new direction--if Walt can just learn some other scales other than the blues pentatonic. I think they started cutting down on the jass due to its commercial non-potential really.
Posted by: Detritus Dewery, FreedomlandGet the one with "Be With You" and also the one with "Never Never Love." Motherfuckers all. Hucknall rules.
Posted by: Rajah , Simply Red is good? Who knew, "Holdin Back the Tears" was a riveting vocal performance but I thought they were basically bubblegummers. What album should I get Blue?
Posted by: Bill, Paris, FranceThanks for the feedback on the chord! Incidentally, re Simply Red, I heard their version of Heaven before the Heads! Very different, as you know, but both great.
Cheers, Bill
Posted by: Chrys, PAIncidentally, there is (or should be) mu minor as well as mu major. Or did Howard wright about that already (heh, heh)? Hmmm... I'll have to recheck his article.
In any case, just substitute a minor third for a major third, and voila...
I still haven't heard ANY of those Steely Dan outtakes, so I remain unfamiliar with "The Second Arrangement," et al. One day, I'll have to devote a lot of time downloading those songs with my 56k. Oy.
Posted by: Doc Mu, Big Simply Red fan also. Mich Hucknall could sing the phone book and it would be interesting. Picture Book, A New Flame, Stars, and especially the first few songs on Life capture real soul better than the recent "neo-soul" movement.
The interview with Ken Wessel playing on the new Fagen album originally on Gina's Mizar 5 has wafted its way to westcoastmusic jazz site:
http://noted.blogs.com/westcoastmusic/2005/12/jazz_guitarist_.html
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Posted by: Ann, BorneoSoH:
Thanks for the support over Simply Red! I feel that there is too much dominance by US bands, when there are many bands all over the world who should be receiving more recognition than they are in awards, but are finding it hard to crack the US market. Take for example, Robbie Williams. Not one of my personal favourites, but he's HUGE world-wide, except the US. Even Mexico loves him. Come on guys...give other artists from other places a break!
Ann
Posted by: Rajah, Sparky, I live to make somebody smile, thank you, dear boy.
Stevee's Pretzel Logic gave their final performance of 2005 tonight at La Ve Lee, actually it's still going on, I had to bug out due to early commitments in the AM, now i can't sleep of course, but here's my obligatory and borderline annoying setlist for this great ensemble:
FM
Night by Night
Gaucho
Jack of Speed
I Got the News (oh, Steven nailed it with Feldman fils' help)
Black Friday
Caves of Altamira
Babylon Sistras
Daddy
Do It Agin'(New drummer boy can rump-a-pum-pum fer shur)
Peg
YGT II
Kid C
Reelin'
King of the World
Green Flower Street
then I had to leave but...
Home at Last
Cuz Dupree
Black Cow
Green Earrings
Fire in the Hole
Rikki
Josie
DTMA
AJA
Bodhi
MOS
Steve and the boys have a new drummer, check him out, his name is Ric Craig and he's been around, a real student of the kit:
http://home.earthlink.net/~riccraig/ric.htm
First time Steve saw drum charts I think they probably scared him, this guy is a serious, disciplined and restrained player but Oh my, of course he can blow when called upon. I think I heard more of Jake Feldman's bass tonight than in four years, what difference an unselfish player who sticks to the straight and narrow makes. Dynamics for a drummer -- and a singer for that matter -- are essential. Oh yeah, almost peed my pants, he uses the traditional left hand grip, huge guy, very light touch. Big hitter and smart smart smart.
Moseltov to Pretzel Logic, good show lads.
Posted by: SS, Hong KongRaj...it has to be said..I busted out in my office reading your list of tunes for the SD Xmas album. Two Against Fruitcake....indeed.
Posted by: SouthOfHollywood, Open Up The Red BoxAnn...
You're on to something and we'll surely be drawn and quartered for this but YES...Simply Red would get my vote for the RRHOF...They don't have the mass appeal in the US that they do worldwide (they rarely tour here and the last time they did I had to choose between Mick H. and the Boys or Our Boys in Maui and Honolulu...Well, you know how that one turned out..)
Simply Red are musical perfectionists much in the same way Steely Dan are...Most people will only recall "Holding Back The Years", "If You Don't Know Me By Now" and perhaps one or two other of their recordings but such albums as "A New Flame", "Life" and the incredible "Stars" are as good as anything I own...
SOH
Posted by: Rajah, Good question for Howard or Mu but I'll venture a guess, Bill, behind the lines, "Here's (G mu maj) to reck- (A mu maj)less (G mu maj)lovers," in my head, can't tell what type I or II, but maybe type I in first inversion.
Check out Howard's Mu page while someone corrects me:
http://www.jmdl.com/howard/steelydan/mu-major_3.html
Posted by: Bill, Paris, Franceoops, mu-major!
Posted by: Bill, Paris, FranceHi Danfans!
Here's kind-of a geek question, but could someone tell me if they recognize a mu-minor chord on either version of 2nd Arr? If you wouldn't mind, please copy your post to my email address because in thirty seconds I will forget I wrote this.
Tks, Bill
Posted by: h w t,
Denny Diaz a better six-stringer tho than about all those bay area freaks....who's heard the live Boddhisattva from like 72 or 74..Santa Monica ....I think.........Announcer: "Introducing Mr. Steely Dan...." ....tight
Posted by: h w t,
I was not much of Dead fan until seeing a few shows back in late 80s, early 90's: it was a trip and par-tay, even if you were not completely stoned, and though some of the music (especially the more R n B type of stuff that Weir seemed to favor) was a bit dull, there were always very powerful moments to the playing: once one hears Jerry click on Fire on the Mountain or Begonias just right....after a few hits of bud...chicks dancin' away.....whoa...sort of like you are next to the Ganges in 200 BC or something...but then there are plenty of casualties as well...so really I'm sort of ambivalent...while recognizing thier talent and mythical possibilities...
Posted by: Rajah, Just think, everytime you took a crap, you'd think of Donald. Come get those golden memories.
Talk about a field day for a cultural anthropologist, the Dead touched upon some special chord for many people so you have to respect that. My Dead knowledge is limited to American Beauty, Workinman's Dead and the live Europe record so...
Posted by: h w t,
Yeah the Dead Inc. (probably Weir I bet) was going to shutdown the free concert bootleg site: are they startin' to hurt for scratch, and wanted to market it? Hard to conceive of: the merchandizing as well as CD sales are still enormous, from what I've read. Or perhaps some crafty 'heads are putting together their own bootlegs, tho only a greenhorn would actually pay cash for 'em.
The shows are hit and miss, dat's for sure. The shows from like mid to late 70s--with Keith and Donna--were in some sense jazziest, though the broad's wailing gets a bit old. The later shows had some decent moments--with Hornsby an interesting tho sometimes sappy edge--the electronic experimentation is interesting if a bit overdone, and Jerry was up and down--he was a better player up until like the 80s, and then maybe burnt out or rehabbin,' whatever. Keith was methinks the jazziest keyboardist the Dead had--tho rumored to be rather fond of narcotics. An interesting recording: Branford Marsalis playing with the Dead on Eyes of the World
Posted by: Paul Carrack, asdfBob Geldof thought "this guy is going to be a superstar" after meeting both Fred Mercury and Phil Lynott?
Great calls, St. Bob. Mercury and Lynott had already become "superstars" after touring the world (and elsewhere) by the time the Rats got their shit together and had a hit. When was the earliest Geldof could have met either of them? 1978? 1979? That's like the lead singer of Franz Ferdinand meeting Bono and Mick Jagger at a party and telling the nearest reporter, "I think these two are going to the toppermost of the poppermost!"
Lizzy rules, Peter, you don't need to tell us that. They were a brilliant band, the only one to give Fred and the boys a run for their money when they opened up for Queen on the "News" tour. But as many tribute websites as Thin Lizzy has dedicated to them, I'm sure Kylie has twice as many, with JFK conspiratorial sites doubling the both of them. So that's hardly a way to quantify a band's greatness.
Thin Lizzy doesn't need your help.
Posted by: Daddy G., NJSince HWT brought up the Dead, thought I'd post this little USA Today item which maybe is more interesting in light of those ephemeral Gaucho outtake postings a while back...
Fan fury prompts Grateful Dead to approve downloads again
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-12-01-grateful-dead_x.htm
...but it's apples & oranges, I'm sure.
And as long as we're Deadheading here for the moment this USA Today item also appeared the other day...
Jerry Garcia's appliances to be auctioned
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-11-29-jerry-garcia-auction_x.htm
The gist:
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Jerry Garcia's dishwasher, toilets and other home appliances will be auctioned by a non-profit group hoping to raise more than $100,000.
The items, which also include stereo cabinets, cupboards and a freezer, will be available for bidding on the online auction site eBay from Dec. 18 through Dec. 24.
Revenue will benefit the Sophia Foundation, a San Francisco Bay area non-profit that aids children and families during marital separations and divorces, said the group's chairman, Henry Koltys.
__________________
Someday I hope to purchase Donald Fagen's toilet! :-)
Posted by: Rajah, And to you, dear Toasty. As for the womens, I'm afraid I've been placed in dry dock. The wife won't allow me to date. How closed minded is that?
Did you all know there was an aborted Steely Dan Xmas album? Oh yeah, I have the outtakes:
Sign in Santa
Rikki Don't Bogart That Frankincense
Third World Channukka
Kringlewhacker
Two Against Fruitcake
My Old Yule(Log)
Posted by: h w t,
we can share the women we can share
the wine.....
Merry X-mas sahib Raj
Posted by: FP, Rajah- The Dead were awesome! You can keep Yes, I'll keep the Dead.
Posted by: Rajah, I knew the Dead were good for something.
Posted by: h w t,
Alrighty then the Dead's in the bitch--and note the blurb; "one of the most distinctuve groups to emerge from the San Francisco psychedelic scene, the Grateful Dead will get you some decent or at least fairly easy pussy, at least a few times a year, you pathetic fucks".
Captain Beefheart, tho, man he is sorely missin' from the RRHOF lineup: what rocks better than say "Clear Spot" ....or Doc at the Radar station: aw yeahhhhhhhh taking a putt up to carson cit-tay
Posted by: h w t,
Well if Miles is to be inserted into the RRHOF then maybe Bill Evans as well, who was responsible for a lot of the "harmonic texture" of Kind of Blue....yeah it doesn't really make sense but then the entire concept of the RRHOF is ludicrous. It's a marketing thang. Why not just create a sort of pension plan for the freaks and keep 'em from re-appearing in the public eye. ("Mr. Rotten, we will pay you 5,000 ,eh, pounds, not to appear)
And I am not sure if the Grateful Dead has been put in there but they sure the F should be--
Holly Jolly Deadmass
Merry Jerry X-Mass
Posted by: Josey, St. Simons IslandThere's some new footage of Keith Carlock posted on drummerworld. A cool demonstration of how he develops ideas for soloing demonstrated on some practice pads. Check it out! http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Keith_Carlock.html
Posted by: Rajah, Miles was indeed a monster and he should have his own HOF.
These "hot shit" guys went on to guitar greatness in Motorhead, Whitesnake and Robbo? Is this not a contradiction in terms?
Posted by: Errr, ErrrrVilleJust so you's know, Thin Lizzy has more websites devoted to it than any other band. They absolutely own Europe and Japan. U2 was once booed off the stage in Dublin, the crowd wanted Philip so bad.
Bob Geldof once said there were only two people he ever met about whom he had the thought, within two minutes of meeting them, "This guy is going to be a superstar" - Freddie Mercury and Phil Lynott.
How many hot shit guitarists came out of Lizzy? White went on to play the solos live for Floyd when Gilmour couldn't. Sykes went to Whitesnake; Gary Moore; Robbo, Motorhead.
Mentioning any band - *any band* - that's in the R&R HofF in the same breath with Miles Davis is a fucking joke. He's such a giant of music compared to *anyone* in the R&R HofF it's hilarious.
Posted by: Rajah, Miles does not belong in the HOF, the closest he came to Rock was Bitches Brew. Yes, Crimson, ELP, Mahavishnu do belong however, for the most part their rhythm tracks are definitely Rock n Roll.
I mean, what next, Frank and the Three Tenors in the RRHOF? Plus I don't think they should be inducting 5 acts a year cause pretty soon Foghat and Thin Lizzie will become viable nominees. If they get in they should blow up Cleveland, my old hometown.
Baba Burn On Big River Rajah
Posted by: Alkali, NYCI don’t think it’s necessarily a bad deal that Miles is inducted into the Rock and Roll hall of fame but how close is his music to rock and roll? Even his later stuff only slightly touched on rock elements.
Shouldn’t the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame be renamed and called “The Hall of Modern music which includes elements of Rock and Roll of Fame”?
If you’re gonna keep the (Rock and Roll)hall of fame pure then people and bands like Yes, Crimson, Dead, ELP, Tull, Styx, Miles, Steely Dan etc. shouldn’t even be nominated.
Because if you do include them then you’ll end up perverting it’s purity.
Let’s just stick with Holly, Berry, Lewis, Presley and such. Now THAT’S Rock and Roll!
CLAS: you’re right. I still like Chicago and I do like to listen to the songs you mentioned.
A couple in there that I had forgotten about. Thanks.
Peace
A
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, PAWell, I was a huge Yes freak in my teens, until I discovered real classical music, jazz, and SD, but I still look (listen?) upon them with great fondness, and still relisten to their albums from time to time.
I thought the live versions of their stuff on YESSONGS were a notch above the studio versions, in terms of resonance and warmth.
Best albums, IMHO:
THE YES ALBUM
CLOSE TO THE EDGE
RELAYER
GOING FOR THE ONE
Always thought, in opposition to ALL of my peers at the time, FRAGILE was too, well, fragile. Too poppy-sounding, much the same way that I thought Neil Young's HARVEST (his weakest album by far)was.
Anyone ever note that the ONLY great guitarist with a style essentially similar to Steve Howe's is none other than Pat Metheny?
In fact, the more I think of it, as far as groups go, the PMG really grabbed the baton from Yes and ran with it--the PMG sounds to me like the All-American stylistic successor to Yes.
Posted by: I Drove The Chrysler, PAWell, I was a huge Yes freak in my teens, until I discovered real classical music, jazz, and SD, but I still look (listen?) upon them with great fondness, and still relisten to their albums from time to time.
I thought the live versions of their stuff on YESSONGS were a notch above the studio versions, in terms of resonance and warmth.
Best albums, IMHO:
THE YES ALBUM
CLOSE TO THE EDGE
RELAYER
GOING FOR THE ONE
Always thought, in opposition to ALL of my peers at the time, FRAGILE was too, well, fragile. Too poppy-sounding, much the same way that I thought Neil Young's HARVEST (his weakest album by far)was.
Anyone ever note that the ONLY great guitarist with a style essentially similar to Steve Howe's is none other than Pat Metheny?
In fact, the more I think of it, as far as groups go, the PMG really grabbed the baton from Yes and ran with it--the PMG sounds to me like the All-American stylistic successor to Yes.
Posted by: C, ---
Alkali - Chicago was much more than Saturday in the Park (which is not a bad song). Their 3 first albums was, at the time and in that context, something new, fresh and daring. Songs like "Questions 67 or 69", "The Road", "Does anybody really know what time it is", "Wake up Sunshine", "Movin' in", "The Approaching Storm" and many many more, were just golden. Our schoolteacher brought those albums to the lessons and played them for us. And believe me when I say that those lessons were goosebumps all along the road.
Goooing where the orange sun never sleeps... that was Fancy Colours, right?
Holy Moses, don't get me started.
Posted by: Ann, BorneoHi All Danoids,
While you revel in the afterglow of McCartney, regularly get to see the likes of Stevee Dan and his band, turn on the radio and get a myriad of stations, see live bands at the turn of every corner, etc...my one little luxury in life here on Fantasy Island, has been Capital Gold and Capital fm, beamed in live from London. So this morning I'm driving in to work, I turn on the radio to pick up the "late night" show from London ..........to hear etherial Peruvian flute music....eh???? Followed by a pre-recorded message to say that our glorious Capital radio has been "discontinued". Discontinued?????? After 10 years of continuous broadcast they've discontinued it! How dare they!! It was one of the major contributors to my sanity in this place, and they've chopped it!!!!
The writing's on the wall guys!! Plan B has to go into action .....to get out of here!!
Yes for the hall of fame....? Most definitely! Sex Pistols....not a chance!! Although Steve Wotsit (?) did play a mean guitar. What about Simply Red for the Hall of Fame?...or is Mick H already in there??? The Who...are they in already?
Ann
Posted by: SS, HKToaster, there's some full rocking out in All Good People, Roundabout, the cover of Paul Simon's America, Gates of Delirium, Siberian Khatru, Sound Chaser, the first three minutes of Close to the Edge, South Side of the Sky, Heart of the Sunrise.
Some ponderous interludes - granted - but if you really want airy fairy try Rick Wakeman's recent live DVD. The music is dire, he's a blond Yanni, but the jokes, including a Jon Anderson zinger, are good.
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