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Date: Fri, March 01, 2013, 08:50:11 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

www.donaldfagen.com now goes directly to a Facebook page...


Date: Fri, March 01, 2013, 05:25:27 ET
Posted by: Phil, Pau

You can get Dirk Hamilton's album on Itunes, I downloaded it a couple of years ago and it's a little gem, such as "Mannequin" by Marc Jordan , also produced by Gary Katz, to me , not far from Aja's standards, give it a chance.
Philippe


Date: Thurs, February 28, 2013, 23:07:23 ET
Posted by: John Granatino, Texas

Hello Jim and fellow addicts,

I have just been made aware (by wallowing through all the posts in this fine establishment) that some of the stories I posted on my site 17 years ago are no longer readable by contemporary browsers. Putting aside the fact that I can't believe I'm old enough to have been posting on the web 17 years ago, I'm mortified that I did not previously realize the coding problem. I hope to dive back into the old stories and fix them soon. Maybe at the same time I will finally post the 200 or so other articles about the Dan that I've saved up over the years!

All the best,
John Granatino
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource (hmm, time for that URL to get its own home address as well)


Date: Thurs, February 28, 2013, 22:36:44 ET
Posted by: Cold Porter, amid the stacks of plumes

thanks for the Gary katz Interview link!!!

radio was great in the late '70s...WLIR especially......
also WRVR as a jazz station

it seems that Hamilton was sort of continuing Katz dream to create some sort of new CA fold souund...a la Thomas jefferson kaye.....would be great to hear...Rainey is on bass I think...but none of it is in youtube

this was a hot album in 1978...a collectors item...even then as MFSL didn't have much distribution
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MFSL-STEELY-DAN-KATY-LIED-LP-AUDIOPHILE-/160980113282?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item257b299782


Date: Thurs, February 28, 2013, 19:26:43 ET
Posted by: Randy Banks, Berkeley, CA

Just listened to Pavlova Shoes on YouTube. It's supposed to be a bonus track from Dirk's You Can Sing album. I'm not familiar with this man's work. I thought I might hear some jazz influences, but he's clearly steeped in the folk music genre.


Date: Thurs, February 28, 2013, 18:20:19 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Lutz, actually I'm the one who should apologize. Seconds after posting I just googled Jim Beard, went to his site and saw what you posted. I should have done that BEFORE I posted. But I just don't think that clearly when I am stone-cold sober.

My bad.

Anyone find anything from the Dirk Hamilton album (You Can Sing On The Left Or Bark On The Right) produced by Gary Katz (and with a host of SD regulars) streaming online? Cold Porter posted some images from it a couple days ago. A quick search revealed some Hamilton youtube vids but nothing direct from that album. Might be something worth a quick listen.


Date: Thurs, February 28, 2013, 12:46:22 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

yes - Jim Beard, sorry Dean.


Date: Thurs, February 28, 2013, 12:28:24 ET
Posted by: Askin, R

Would Everyone's Gone to the Movies have been too politically incorrect to get released today?


Date: Thurs, February 28, 2013, 12:19:09 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Lutz, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you are referring to Jim Beard.


Date: Thurs, February 28, 2013, 11:53:28 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

"Jim has just finished recording a solo piano cd. Release is scheduled for late summer/early autumn 2013. Jim will be going on the road with various artists between April and November in Europe and North America. Some dates will be Jim's own group"

and most of the dates will be?
getting warmer here...


Date: Thurs, February 28, 2013, 08:54:36 ET
Posted by: 2vN, 2-29-2000

That was a good day.


Date: Thurs, February 28, 2013, 05:26:10 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

kzkzkz. Cindy Mizelle is gorgous and a great singer too !!


Date: Wed, February 27, 2013, 22:53:52 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, Cowelland

"Not enough can be said about artists like Cindy Mizelle" -
Mariah Carey (On tonight's American Idol episode as she gave props to the shows background singers).


Date: Wed, February 27, 2013, 20:31:38 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Hats off to Lurker Ray! I just found that DF & Steely Dan live stuff that you had a hand in liberating late last year. Outstanding...pure musical joy!


Date: Wed, February 27, 2013, 02:17:57 ET
Posted by: Phil, Pau

Hello everyone, I hereby certify that this message has strictky nothing to do with Steely Dan but Ithought it culd make you laugh a bit so here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mWYYnW8AhY

It's from the Cesar(our own little Oscar) ceremony last week, someone said the director for StarWars 7 had been choosen, that it was Michael Haneke and they had the trailer.
Enjoy


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 22:01:43 ET
Posted by: More albums, More albums, More albums,, More albums, More ahhl....bums


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 21:33:38 ET
Posted by: About, Dirk Hamilton

Cold Porter: http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/17katz.htm


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 20:49:03 ET
Posted by: Cold Porter, Moes Books


anyone ever heard of this...looks interesting

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3790611


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 20:12:09 ET
Posted by: Bud Miles, Las Vegas

I hope they bring back the jazzy horn version of Reelin' In the Years that was first played during the 1993 tour. I'm tired of the old original 1973 version they've been playing from these last several tours.


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 19:14:10 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa, FL

While I'd love to get another new "Steely Dan" album, a Summer tour would be the next best thing.
My favorite part of the tours is how they put a new spin on a classic older tune like "Your Gold Teeth II" or even back in 2000 "The Boston Rag" which opened up the "Two Against Nature" tour.
They tweak the song just enough that it sounds like a modernized version of the Classic tune.
I have gotten tired of some of the tunes that they always seem to do like "Hey Nineteen", "Aja" & even "Peg", but just hearing them do "Kid Charlemagne" (which only gets better each time I hear it) makes it more than worthwhile.
Now if the boys can't go on tour this year, how about them releasing a DVD or Box Set of the "Beacon Theatre" shows from 2011 that likely covered 80-90% of their Catalog of songs.


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 15:47:56 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Heading to the Manatee Bar. Save me a seat!

I think there is about a zero chance there will be a new SD album this year--certainly not a studio album--as we have yet to hear any news about it. If any tracks had been recorded we would likely know. There are always leaks from studios and musicians. And Don has been asked about it a number of times and hasn't mentioned it. If anything Don speaks too soon about an album. He tells us there is a new one coming next year, we can be almost certain it won't drop until the next year, at the earliest.

Now, it is absolutely possible they will begin working on a new album this year, but that means it is likely to be released at least one or two years down the road. If they skip touring to actively record, I'm fine with that.

I suppose there is also a remote possibility Walt has something new, as he stays pretty tight-lipped and hasn't been interviewed much recently. But I doubt this, too.


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 15:39:24 ET
Posted by: Bob,

Bring on the SD tee shirts, it's Tour Time!!!

We have plenty of albums, MTC and SC.

Enough, let's hear some live SD.


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 15:35:00 ET
Posted by: Mr. Brewster, San Francisco

Of course. Why would Donald join Boz and Michael for another Dukes of September tour this year? It's gonna be a Steely Dan tour for 2013.


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 15:31:34 ET
Posted by: Josey, Mass

Wayne Shorter will be celebrating his 80th year of living at this years Newport Jazz Fest. I'm going to be laughing in disbelief over how damn good he still is along with John Patitucci, Brian Blade, and Danilo Perez! I'm also going to laugh at Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock, and Roy Haynes and be thankful they haven't hung it up yet.

Count me amongst those who would much prefer a new album to a tour. I would likely skip the tour this year...I would buy a new release the day it comes out!


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 15:12:29 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,

Just received the "to date" Wolf Trap 2013 schedule. Boz and Michael Mc. together in July......no Donald.


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 13:03:08 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

two cents - I'd prefer an album over a tour, but that seems increasingly unlikely.

Plus, tours are awesome.


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 10:19:40 ET
Posted by: Hutch, again

Looks like the "No Business" part of Donald's web site has been pared down to the biography and the picture gallery. I do see some photos that I don't recall seeing before.
Just looking for some news of some kind.


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 10:08:51 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

The Dean - Very good points. Excellent post.


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 09:55:42 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

"two cents" posted: "back in the 70s if an old band was touring we Laughed at them for trying to recapture their youth" I'm going to guess that says far more about your youth, than it does about these mature artists. But there are times when I might somewhat agree with your hyperbolic comment. To me, it depends on what the artist did in the past and what they are currently doing.

Do you laugh at an old blues musician still playing and singing his heart out? Do you laugh at old bluegrass musicians, who can still rip it? Would you laugh at an aging classical pianist, or a jazz musician who still play as well they did 20 years ago? If you laughed at stuff like that in the 70's, it was likely your immaturity and your inability to appreciate various genres of music. If you still do that, perhaps you have not matured.

But I agree some acts seem a little embarrassing--especially those who are mired in teenage-based music and performance. Maybe even worse are artists who adopt the language, mannerisms and music of the current generation to "reinvent themselves" into something they hope is commercially viable. But Steely Dan is none of those things. They never seem to be attempting to "recapture their youth" to me--because let's face it, their youth doesn't seem like all that. When they were famous in their youth, they ran away from the spotlight and eventually the music industry.

I thought this article about Don summed the issue up pretty well:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324461604578196090924711724.html

I'd prefer a new album to a new tour, but I will never complain about SD touring nor make the mistake to think they have passed their time to play live.


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 07:49:18 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Hey kzkzkz - Steve Winwood is a top class artist and performer, who has had an illustrious career. Many would agree with you. He was also in the Spencer Davies Group having hits in the mid 60's ! Let's not have a go at the Dan fans on here. Both artists have had illustrious careers but in terms of legacy and songwriting Steely Dan and Donald Fagen will always be regarded in far greater esteem than the Midland Maniac Stevie W !


Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 03:51:25 ET
Posted by: Cyril, London

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Date: Tues, February 26, 2013, 03:06:48 ET
Posted by: La Villa, Strangiatto

I somewhat agree with 'two cents'. I'd rather our boys spend their summer in the studio working on a new album than to see them live every year.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 23:35:50 ET
Posted by: My two cents worth, ,,,down in the bottom

re- Steely Dan tour for 2013


I for one hope they DO NOT tour...I think they and the entire rock world in general has gone over board with the live concert scene...tickets are outrageously priced and the band, including Steely dan play too many songs we've all heard before.....even the Stones 50th thing is a bit much.....back in the 70s if an old band was touring we Laughed at them for trying to recapture their youth.....today we sit google eyed and worship their nostalgia....

give it up guyys...go into the forest of life gracefully....


there I've said it
..more coffee please


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 23:30:19 ET
Posted by: Cold Porter, Steely Dan University


40 years ago....Do It Again..hits #1

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zMowAAAAIBAJ&sjid=cQUEAAAAIBAJ&dq=do%20it%20again%20steely&pg=4351%2C2561013


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 20:29:28 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

The blue almost always makes me smile, andit sometimes makes me laugh out loud. When I got to the last line of Hoops' post, I cackled - "I now apologize for my posting." I'm surprised it hasn't been used as the closing line of every subsequent post.

I now apologize for my posting.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 19:12:33 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, at the other end of the line

Dean, that's very kind! Best regards to "Lloyd The Bartender" from me! However, since we yet don't have the technology to transfer drinks pr. wire, you'll have to drink it for me. You can do that much for an old internet buddy, can't you? ;o)


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 18:16:07 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Jazzy.

"Life would be ecstacy, you and me and Leslie"

That's some funny shit right there. The bar wants to buy you a drink.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 17:47:41 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Hey B3, that's Aretha Franklin

Some dig organ trios, some don't.

But it's a fact that in '67, a very good and merited pop band made a number one hit single that is a love declaration to a Hammond B3. The narrator is so into this affair, he even suggests a threesome with the organ's cousin (gender unknown), however inappropriate it may appear by today's moral standards. Remember that this was in a time of spiritual and sexual liberation.

The song was "Groovin'" by The Young Rascals. Here's an excerpt from the lyrics, sung by Felix Cavaliere:

"Life would be ecstacy, you and me and Leslie"

So there.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 16:48:15 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

R.I.P. "Dangerous" Dan Toler

http://www.jambands.com/news/2013/02/25/dangerous-dan-toler-1948-2013


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 14:17:14 ET
Posted by: hoops, on the quick, in chicago

"Booking Dept."

Yeah, that'll happen right after SD does the private $5,000 a ticket show for Danfan internet regulars. Uh-huh.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 11:15:45 ET
Posted by: booking dept,

Maybe Donald would do a one-off show at Chicago bronzville if it could hold 2000 people. He could team up with one of the hot bands in Chicago. He played in Woodstock with the Helms and last week did that Oh Whitney show.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 10:48:38 ET
Posted by: TT,

When I know Sam Yahel is going to open I take my time and go to Wal mart or KFC and avoid the traffic and lines and get there just in time for when the Dan starts up. Only if it is Steve Winwood, Kanye West or anybody else that is good I would get there very early.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 10:39:37 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Hoops, Deep Blue Organ Trio was the other artist I was referring to in my earlier post. Thanks for clearing that up.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 10:36:16 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, without reading all the posts

While Sam Yahel clearly have DW & WB's endorsement, I'm burnt out on Sam Yahel 's group for the time being and would scroll by those posts.

But there were some other swell openers. My recent fav was Deep Blue Organ Trio.

BTW: It wasn't noted, but right on the way back from the Steely Dan gig at the Toledo Zoo, they were in a auto accident. Luckily no one was seriously hurt.

After an eight year residency at the Green Mill (where Howard Levy also plays with frequency, last I checked), they are now venue hopping.

As I alluded to in a post last week, I'm so thrilled and lucky to be part of a project to foster the music history and current jazz and blues scene in Chicago's Bronzeville (has a very similar history to Harlem). We're hoping to book Deep Blue for our summer events.

I now apologize for my posting.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 10:29:52 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I guess I am one of the few who enjoyed Sam Yahel. The first time I saw the Trio I was very impressed. They were perfectly decent the second time. Like DYLYNFAN, I wonder how many of those who bash him here have actually sat down and listened attentively during his set. I know it is tough when everyone is milling around--and if there are people near you they won't shut the fuck up--but did you TRY?

For what it's worth, I don't disagree with the notion that it might be time to change things up a bit--but not because "he still hasn't taken off as a star". Really? A star? Is that the level to which Steely Dan fandom has been reduced? Is this now Steely Dan Idol?

I think it might be tough to find the right opening act for the Dan these days--at least the same opening act for an entire tour. Keep in mind, Don and Walt have to like the act and they have to be available for a long stretch and willing to play a short set under less-than-ideal conditions before a crowd that increasingly seems like a bunch of douchebags. I have to believe there was a time when Dan would listen to the opening act. Unless that act is a big name, I no longer think that's the case. Pretty sad, IMO.

Perhaps the solution is to have regional opening acts. That might make it a bit more interesting to the crowd and allows SD to use artists that can't be available for the entire tour. Of course it is more work for management, so I don't expect that to happen. But there were glimpses of this when Bill Charlap opened for them in the NY area (do I have that right?) and another band opened some shows out west, I think. I would love to see Charlap with SD. How about Sonny Rollins? (And, yes, I know Rollins is not a "regional act".)

As for Stevie W and Rod S, they are probably a perfect paring for most of their fans. I was a huge fan of Winwood back in the Traffic days, but he sold out big time and released some really terrible solo stuff, IMO. I know he has returned to the music of those early days in recent years--still I am wary. I might see him if he played somewhere close--and cheap. I've never liked Stewart, but at least he was involved with some good music at one time (remember when he ruined Beck Ola?). That crap he spewed during the disco period was unbearable (and of course sold like crazy). His pitiful attempts to sing the standards have also been good sellers, I think. Never overestimate the taste of the general public.

Now that last paragraph might seem a little "douche-baggy" because it is! But I guarantee if I found myself at a concert and Rod was singing (or doing that thing he calls "singing") I wouldn't be talking, walking around and generally disturbing those who might actually want to hear Rod and his band. And i would do my best to appreciate whatever there was to be appreciated as long as I was there. (I bet the backing band is pretty good.)


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 10:18:22 ET
Posted by: WT?, F

There is a Sam Yahel fan page. And they are tired of the same damn band providing the exit music as they leave his concerts.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 09:19:46 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, slowhand lane

FWIW, Stevie also gigged heavily with Eric Clapton a couple of years ago, has a strong solo catalogue that he's toured on his own and was in Traffic...twice!
Also, word is that this year Rod will return to his rock (Faces, early solo) roots and put on anything but a )) yawn (( adult contemporary show.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled, but NOT on the road again, Dan talk...


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 09:07:55 ET
Posted by: UH?,

What's good for Stevie Winwood should be good for Sam Yahel according to some people here. I say lets make a toast to good elevator music! Cheers Sam!


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 08:41:23 ET
Posted by: opener,

They need to change the opening act. No reason to keep using Sam Yahel. He was given a big break by SD to open for many years and he still hasn't taken off as a star. They could promote some other new artist.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 08:29:20 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

I am not sure how so many can rip on Sam Yahel, while I am not a
fan, the 4 times they opened at shows I went to, NOBODY was in there
seats during there set.Just Sayin.


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 00:53:30 ET
Posted by: UH?,

Well in that case...who's starting the Sam Yahel fan page?


Date: Mon, February 25, 2013, 00:33:48 ET
Posted by: hmmm,

Steve Winwood sat in with Steely Dan and together did some fantastic music. Winwood sang and played B3, and has quite an amazing pedigree.


Date: Sun, February 24, 2013, 16:57:47 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Steve;

I'm glad that you posted that. Sorry you were questioned and hope won't stop you or others from posting. Please accept apologies. If you started a thread discussing Steve Windwood songs indepth, I'd roll my eyes. I certainly don't mean to be an afront to "Uh" good intentions but I find his tour pairing of SW with Rod Stewart to be of interest simply because I sure don't put Rod Stewart in the same class as SD.

I hope this doesn't mean more (mainstream) press that Winwood likes to tour with Adult Contemporary pop artists like Rod and Steely Dan. Ecccchh!

I don't hear it as much, but it grates on me that a certain segment relegates SD as light jazz, a band that scored a couple hits in the mid-70s and recorded the album "Ah-zha."

Anyhow, when I read about SW touring with RS (opening for Rod?!) that was my immediate reaction.

Best to Steve, "Uh" and everyone else.

Jim


Date: Sun, February 24, 2013, 16:12:30 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa

Being that Winwood was on the last Steely Dan tour, "Down Under" in 2011...I think it was worthwhile noting.
Had he gone on tour with the Dan this Summer, it would make the shows an even hotter ticket.
Steve has a lot of fans and is much more appealing than say ...The Sam Yahel Trio.


Date: Sun, February 24, 2013, 13:06:05 ET
Posted by: UH?,

Stevie Winwood played on the same bill as SD once so now he's a topic on a SD message board? Really?


Date: Sun, February 24, 2013, 07:39:38 ET
Posted by: Cold Porter, ....WDAS-FM


calling all DJ's....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Steely-Dan-Aja-RARE-12-Promo-LP-3-Vinyl-Lot-Deacon-Blues-Josie-/200898024897?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item2ec67495c1


Date: Sat, February 23, 2013, 19:21:35 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, and why, see?

And Steve Winwood will be touring with Rod Stewart in the States too.


Date: Sat, February 23, 2013, 07:13:01 ET
Posted by: Bren, London UK

Just to let folks know that Steve Winwood has announced Tour dates in the UK in June...Tickets on-sale now


Date: Fri, February 22, 2013, 07:06:05 ET
Posted by: ,

RIP, Magic Slim.


Date: Thurs, February 21, 2013, 13:42:54 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Apparently, fans of 50 Cent and Steely Dan share at least one common attribute ...

http://stereotype.fm/Steely%20Dan


Date: Thurs, February 21, 2013, 11:13:53 ET
Posted by: Nick Grumby, first shift barkeep, the Manatee

Just prepping for brunch after first round of night shifters here, when Ginger comes down from the office with a strange note left by one of our more "out there" customers from last night's run. Apparently, after consuming an unholy quantity of zombies (even Ginger, our decidedly "old school" redhead beauty behind the bar, says she hasn't sold a zombie since Prince went all religious and moved back to Indy), the strange fellow who paid the tab posted this in a drunken scrawl on the back of the Mexican 500 peso note he paid with:

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/steely-dan-drinking-songs/


Weird, huh? Oh well, we see it all here. Cheers, and y'all come. Catch ya later.


NG


Date: Thurs, February 21, 2013, 07:31:28 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, @Bobbo

Link, please? ;o)


Date: Thurs, February 21, 2013, 07:16:40 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Yihaa!

I was listening a LOT to Jon's 2012 album "Time Is On My Hands" a few months ago when it was new, and then put it to rest for a little while. Both to avoid abrasion damage to my ears and to give full focus to Sunken Condos when it finally arrived. And then came Snarky Puppy and invaded my defenceless mind. They've been spinning a lot ever since.
A couple of days ago I found out it was time to revisit Jon's to check if it's still as brilliant as I thought it was last year. It sure was!
Damn, what an incredibly fat, rich sounding and punchy thing! If one was allowed to own only one bluesrock/boogie based record in this life I think this one would be a wise choice. It's like a concentrated stock cube of all the best and most fundamental rock beats, basslines and guitar riffs in history refined and raised to a new level.
And since I've already been here hinting about the latest chapter in the everlasting reality show "Let's Rob Jimi Hendrix's Grave", I will use the opportunity to point out that some of the songs on "Time..." really have the ghost of Jimi in them. Imagine him doing "Shine (Shine Shine)"!
If there's people here who has yet not bought it or heard it in it's entirety I highly recommend you do. It's one of those records that's almost impossible not to like a lot I think. If you're into guitar based rock'n'roll at all, that is. Tons of playing pleasure, fun, charm and 100% pure positive energy. Jon's phrasings and his choice of guitar sounds constantly makes me smile from ear to ear if not break out in unrestrained laughter. It makes it tickle in my stomach and I just have to totally surrender. Like when the first insane rush of Owsley's Blotter finally passes and you just lay there screaming yihaa! ;o)


Date: Thurs, February 21, 2013, 04:58:24 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Belated happy birthday to the maestro ! see you in the UK later this year Walter ?!!


Date: Thurs, February 21, 2013, 00:19:26 ET
Posted by: TheNightfly93, Jersey

There's been much discussion in the past few days (as March is coming up fast) about a TOUR being nixed or just not planned. I would just like to know how often is it that Dan tours are announced after March? I believe in 2011, it wasn't called until at least mid-April. I remember because I had just been invited to the SD FANS WORLDWIDE page around that time. I was waiting for at least 5 months (starting around New Years) for the announcement.

Long story short: with all of this chatter, good advice, and heavily leaning to the likelihood of no tour, I feel as though it truly is just too soon to call it.

I understand that Carlock/Herington are doing their own gigs in June (atleast). However, someone made a great point that they often gig outside of shows (i.e. in between dates or just later that night)... Just trying to get into the mix with it all!

P.s. in reference to Sam Yahel Trio and Nordstrom LOL! That was great.

Thanks, the Nightfly


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 23:57:43 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

Happy Birthday and many more to Capt. Becker!

I'd love for WB to release another album and also offer a box set like DF did a few years back. What about Dub versions of 11ToW and C$ and bring reggae totally back in '13?

Big Ups


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 22:45:19 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

I agree Jazzassin. When I listen to "Paging Audrey" or Someboody's Saturday Night" or "Surf and/or Die," I appreciate the songs independent of the "Steely Dan" reference. They are great songs and great records. I listen to them because of that fact. Happy Birthday, Walter...Hope to see you next year.


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 22:20:42 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

kz3, very nice find. I emailed it to several Dan fans before it finished.


Bobbo, I haven't seen you all day. It's all cool. But did you forget to leave a link?


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 21:54:31 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, Ah so

Whilst looking for any vids of The Donald w/ Oh Whitney (none found), I came upon this little ditty-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_-f_ApPRF0

Nice. Enjoy.


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 21:48:46 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, also at the Manitee--whassup Dean old buddy?

Hey All,

Found this mildly amusing icebreaker on a site I frequent occasionally...nothing new here for the baptised among us, but some interesting takes in short-form--and an almost-untouched, wide-open space for comments below.

Anybody wanna storm a public forum with a blinding cloud of Dan-heavy knowledge? (I'm sure there are other concoctions not mentioned in the Top 10 there, no?)


Yer Pal,
Bobbo


P.S. Hey Dean, if Mandy or my old lady Snake Traci call, I AM NOT HERE. Right? Thanks in advance, yo. Respect to the Manitee!


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 18:35:34 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Squirrel, Roger Nichols is spinning in his grave. Nice find.

Happy Birthday to Uncle Walt. He is never underrated by me.


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 16:49:28 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

Thanks for the link from the Fagen
guest show in Cowtown last night.

Sounds like a fun night. Wish I
could have been there.

I remember back in the "dark days"
I always thought it was Donald not
Walter who didn't like to "play out".

Donald sure has squashed that thought
in recent years. Would L-O-V-E to
see a Becker solo show.

Wonder why a boot of the Slims show
never surfaced?


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 15:23:02 ET
Posted by: RJ Squirrel, Oddly tangential

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8957621/bruce-willis-career-arc


"Wendel," described by Popular Mechanics as "a sophisticated digital-computer drum synthesizer" designed by a former Steely Dan engineer named John Vigran.

WTF Grantland? Popular Mechanics gets it right about Wendel. Who will admit they have the Bruce Willis record?


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 13:30:50 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

Happy bithday, Maestro Becker.

Great post, Jazzassin.


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 13:23:10 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, on this page right now

I agree with The Dean. While I don't think the Walter version of Monkey is BETTER than the original, it's certainly as good as it gets. Walter's slightly dopey voice and his timing suits the songs he sings. He owns them in a way hardly possible if one didn't write/co-write them.
Generally, I'm always a bit uncomfortable when people come here to tell how much they dislike Walter's vocals or guitar playing. As fans we should of course not feel obligated to like every fart they let go, but it's possible to show a minimum of respect for a man who, when all is said and done, actually always was one half of the songwriting duo called Steely Dan, isn't it? The legendary band, the musician's musicians, you know? The greatest band of all times to which this page is dedicated? Jeez, what's wrong with some of you guys? How about a little positivity when you judge the achievements of a man without whose contributions the whole Steely Dan catalog as we know it would never have existed?
There's enough disposable lowbrow music out there that you can quite safely diss here if you like (as long as it's in a Dangential context), just like for some, Steely Dan is the incarnation of everything music that they despise, and they can diss them as much as they like. On other pages.
This is THE Steely Dan fan page, and Steely Dan is 1/3 Walter, 1/3 Donald and 1/3 handpicked musicians to realize the musical visions of said duo. If you don't get that, you miss a basic understanding of SD's greatness.
If Walter chooses to jump off the Steely train and enjoy his tremendous success in a tempered climate with a J and a bottle of Cuervo Gold for the rest of his life, fine. He deserves it more than anyone I can think of.
And after all, something strange happened ... half of his most hardcore fan base was struck by a bad lightning or something and no longer remember who he is.

Anyway, Happy Birthday Walter! Forgive them, for they know not what they are saying.

And if somewhere on the way
We got a few good licks in
No one's ever gonna know
'Cause we're goin' out of business
Everything must go

Hoops: Wow! Sounds like you landed an interesting job restoring a piece of American musical history!


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 13:14:39 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown

Best wishes for a happy birthday to Walter...also to Gretchen!


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 12:38:08 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Of course, The Bitter End is where we'd all prefer to see Walter, Donald and/or Steely Dan play; but I mention City Winery since we have one here in Chicago but not a Bitter End. Maybe Pete could open a satellite location here. (Seriously: Part of my "not so new anymore" job is to work with the city to restore The Stroll and related jazz and blues music venues on South State Street, South Michigan Avenue, 35th St and 43rd St.)


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 12:00:30 ET
Posted by: Pete, NYC

Since WB played at The Bitter End when he was in high school, I would prefer to see him play there than the City Winery.


Date: Wed, February 20, 2013, 11:18:07 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

* Thanks, Dean and Jazzassassin. Hopefully this fixes things for a little while longer than usual.

* Regarding as to whether and when there will be a tour: I'm certainly not at the top of the list as to predicting such things, but the rumblings from several rows back here suggest July through September. Good catch on the Herington date (to whomever caught that). It could be a good indicator of no tour. Yet, I also remember Jon rescheduling a date or two maybe a couple of years ago to accommodate a tour. Aside from any inside scoops some anon might post here, I'm waiting on the likes of Ravinia, Chastain and Tanglewood to release their subscribers' series ticket sales schedule in the next couple of weeks. That might give us a firmer hint. Last year, we had a flurry of schedule announcements during the second week of March.

* Regarding Walter, I think one big block is that SD fans are used to Donald as The Voice of Steely Dan. Would love a single Walter show at the City Winery venues. I so regret missing his single date in San Francisco in 1994.

Keep the faith!

Jim


Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2013,  ET
Posted by: The Loyal Dandom, MacArthur Park



Happy Birthday, Walter Becker!





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[ Cake courtesy of the late and very great Boston Rag & hoops ]


Date: Tues, February 19, 2013, 23:25 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Sady, I'm with you. I think Walt sounds great on Monkey as well as a few other Dan tunes. I know we are in the minority here. But any chance to give Don a break from singing, while still maintaining the integrity of the song is a good idea as far as I'm concerned. While Walt may not be the fancies guitarist, everything he plays sounds like Steely Dan. I feel the same way about his vocals. He never sounds out-of-place when he sings these songs, unlike almost all other vocalists.


Date: Tues, February 19, 2013, 17:13 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello, Baton Rouge

Well you guys are more plugged in than I am, obviously. I just remember That Donald mentioned that they might record a new album and they usually record in the summer, no?

It's not mindless speculation... :-)


Date: Tues, February 19, 2013, 17:09 ET
Posted by: Shangri-La, Direct from Lhasa

For the curious, pix/details about DF's onstage rendezvous with Oh Whitney the other night: http://pingwi-fi.com/

Jazzassin, that's some mighty fine info about the new Hendrix release. Thanks.


Date: Tues, February 19, 2013, 15:04:52 ET
Posted by: hoops,

We have a bit of an automated spam loop going on and I'm preoccupied with work activities. I will take care of the problem in a couple of hours; in the mean time, if you post, there may be a delay of minutes or even a couple of hours before your post shows up.

Thanks for your patience.

Jim


Date: Tues, February 19, 2013, 13:51:52 ET
Posted by: Sady S.,

Hoops & etal:

Walt sounds sooooo good on this. Better than the original/studio version, I think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZeRHf4T6z0&NR=1&feature=endscreen


Date: Tues, February 19, 2013, 13:09:09 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, CORRECTION:

The planned Hendrix album was of course supposed to be named "First RAYS, not DAYS of the new rising sun". It was even released under that name in 1997. So there's to my lousy investigation before posting. But at least the version on soundcloud.com is another than the one that was released in '97.


Date: Tues, February 19, 2013, 12:13:59 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, 6 feet under along with Hendrix

Btw, talking about a reunited Beatles ... Jimi Hendrix puts out a new album on 03.05.2013 called "People, Hell & Angels" (Digital release date. Physical formats are expected to be out at t.o.t.m. March/April).

The songs were recorded between 1968-70 for the new album "First Days Of The New Rising Sun", that was supposed to be a follow-up to "Electric Ladyland".
Steven Stills and Buddy Miles plays on it too. Some of the material has been floating around for years, but this is properly produced and has at least one previously unheard gem, namely "Earth Blues" which can now be heard for the first time here:

https://soundcloud.com/legacyrecordings/jimi-hendrix-earth-blues/s-TpXeo

Enjoy!


Date: Tues, February 19, 2013, 10:47:17 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Play it, Sam.

Despite popularity and hype, KT Tunstall is imo a musical lightweight compared to any of the afforementioned alternatives, Sam Yahel included. She sounds like a billion others to me, and is one of those young girls that pops up regulary to be branded by the companies as the new Rickie or Carole. Which she is not. A nice everyday format, but nothing for the history books. But maybe that's exactly how an opening act should be. I suck at doing business related considerations when it comes to music.

The fact that so many seems to hate Sam Yahel Organ Trio (as an opnening act and generally) is a mystery to me. It seems like a very proper choice for Don & Walt to use an instrumental, classic organ swing trio. It resembles much of the music they've always loved and listened to, and is a proper sound scenery for the main act. They're not rock stars of course, but then again even D & W is uncomfortable with that label.

Norah Jones is pr.def. a much bigger name than Steely Dan these days in terms of commercial value, and would never appear as an opening act for anyone smaller than a reunited Beatles I think.

Rickie Lee Jones ... would be perfect - if she's in working condition. I have no idea, but the last time I saw her live (app. 10-12 yars ago) she was a downright scandal who could barely stand on her feet. A massive disappointment, and we all wondered how she got through the Norwegian customs at all. I think you all know what I mean.
But if she's in good form, she would be perfect. She's fairly Dangential too, when you take in consideration the musicians playing on her albums and her musical preferences. She even did a very personal version of Show Biz Kids on her 2000 album "It's Like This".

(Sidenote: "It's Like This"? WTF? Is that you, Rickie? Shouldn't you be at home composing fantastic songs and chasing dragons instead of coming here trolling all week?? Ok, that was a joke. Apologies, Rickie.)

But let's not rush the discussion about opening acts. We still don't know if there will be anyone to open for at all.

fagenism,
the Good Stuff cover was insanely clever done by one single person!
All respect to the craftsmanship of it. Probably a lot of fun and good rehearsal to do it, too. Let's hope he has even better use for his undisputable skills than to just clone another artist's song, which I can't see the point of doing in public other than to show the world that you actually can. Maybe I'm just envious. ;o)


Date: Tues, February 19, 2013, 09:05:17 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

I think this cover of Good Stuff deserves a shoutout on the Blue; if nothing else, it serves as a nice reminder of what a freaken' impeccable tune this is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxwkKl-_UgM

*

Was out jogging with Morph The Cat playing in my ears the other day. Never felt so clean.


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 22:17:39 ET
Posted by: king cole,

No more Sam YA HELL! I'm sick of that .

THey need to get KT Tunstall, NorahJones or somebody washed up like RIcki Lee Jones to open for them.


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 21:43:56 ET
Posted by: Myron, Q

Jim, let's not speculate now.


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 21:34:50 ET
Posted by: vic,

"by now"


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 21:34:12 ET
Posted by: vic,

Jim Taylor, Recording what? If a new SD was in the works we all would have found out about it now.


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 21:32:06 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Hey Chill, Sam Yahel @ Nordstom!! Funny shit and quote of the day.


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 20:54:13 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

It may be that they are recording and Herington is working in the NYC area around the tracking? Anybody know how to check out Elliott Scheiner's bookings?


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 19:40:04 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Bob, here is the first article that I saw, posted by Doc Mu:

http://www.fwweekly.com/2013/02/13/oh-donald/


Not only could rehearsals start after that JH and KC's 6/13 show in NYC, actual concerts could start after (or even before) that. Right now, Jon has shows booked for 6/1, 6/7 and 6/13--all in the NYC/NJ area. Both Jon and Keith have played gigs on off-nights during a tour (and I think even some after SD gigs). It is preposterous leap to go from JH booking a few concerts in June to SD not touring this summer.


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 19:32:14 ET
Posted by: Chill, OK

That Jun 13 gig might be just before rehearsals start in NY. Don't sweat it.

I'll worry when I hear that Sam Yahel landed a summer gig as the lobby pianist at Nordstrom.


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 18:42:14 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, NY oh why C

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Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 14:48:45 ET

Posted by: FF, X


It's not unthinkable that SD could tour without Herington. But you're right that it's not a good sign.



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Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 12:41:38 ET
Posted by: geo,


I see that Jon Herington is starting to book his band during the summer. You all know what that means, right? No Steely Dan, DF or Duke's shows are being planned! I guess SC tanked. That sucks because it's a really wonderful record!
* * * * ** * * * ** * * * * * * * *

Just listed on NYC's Iridium Jazz Club site-

http://theiridium.com/events/1677/double-bill-the-jon-herington-band-and-keith-carlock-featuring-oz-noy/

06/13 7:30 PM & 9:30 - $30.00

THE JON HERINGTON BAND and KEITH CARLOCK featuring Oz Noy

“A powerhouse double bill of current members of Steely Dan with

guitarist Jon Herington and his band and drummer Keith Carlock featuring Oz Noy on guitar.”


The Jon Herington Band is Jon Herington, Dennis Espantman, and Frank Pagano.
Keith Carlock is featuring Oz Noy on guitar

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(Maybe fall?)


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 18:22:04 ET
Posted by: Bob, Western World

What is the entire and detailed Oh Whitney story?

Very littled posted here on Donald's work with this band.

Thanks,
Bob


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 15:48:21 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Heading to the Manatee Bar

Agreed, it isn't unthinkable that The Dukes, Don solo or SD would tour without JH. But even if Jon is a necessary part of any tour, I'd refrain from getting too nervous right now. JH only has 7 dates booked from the middle of May through the middle of June (at least according to his website). Hardly anything that precludes a tour by Don and Walt this year.


One another note, I think Jim may have accidentally removed my post when he did a bit of housecleaning earlier. I wanted to say that I highly doubt that Brain Strainer is the chooch who claims to have destroyed his MTC CD. That doesn't sound like the Strainer's style, IMO. But I am positive that many of these moronic posts are from the same (or a small few) posters. Typically I ignore incendiary posts from anon or unknown posters as trolls shouldn't be fed.


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 15:34:09 ET
Posted by: Fun, l

http://www.midomi.com

Try singing a few lines of your favorite SD song and see if it can identify it. I was successful with Black Cow, Reeling in the Years, Do it Again, Dirty Work.


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 14:48:45 ET
Posted by: FF, X

It's not unthinkable that SD could tour without Herington. But you're right that it's not a good sign.


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 12:41:38 ET
Posted by: geo,

I see that Jon Herington is starting to book his band during the summer. You all know what that means, right? No Steely Dan, DF or Duke's shows are being planned! I guess SC tanked. That sucks because it's a really wonderful record!


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 10:46:43 ET
Posted by: hoops, on the quick

Clean Willie;

If you are going to post an inquiry like that, you have to leave an email and real identity OR post a link to a reputable news site story or other official legal site. Simply asking something like that no matter how untrue ends up turning it into gossip. Thanks for understanding.

Jim


Date: Mon, February 18, 2013, 01:24:47 ET
Posted by: gold teeth, kaloa hi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4UO210ZD5M


Date: Sun, February 17, 2013, 22:27:37 ET
Posted by: Another Lurker,

The poster who destroyed the MTC CD sounds like the guy who is 67 and also the Brain Strainer


Date: Sun, February 17, 2013, 20:06:00 ET
Posted by: I destroyed the MTC CD, don't want it in my house


Date: Sun, February 17, 2013, 18:58:44 ET
Posted by: TheNightfly93, South Jersey Grid of Desire

I am getting into MTC and SC as of recent. I never heard MTC all the way through... They're both just so tight in writing (harmonies/lyrics) and production is of course, at the top. Just A.O.K.


Date: Sun, February 17, 2013, 10:12:46 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa

Yeah, I think we're getting too tough on each other when we just want to have some fun and express opinions about a group we all care about "Steely Dan".
I had commented that there were 5 great tracks on "SC" that were just as good as anything on previous DF/SD releases. I went on to say that the other 4 tunes just didn't do anything for me and I felt they were much weaker than the general output on previous albums.
Its just an opinion and I didn't mean any slight to DF or any of the players who I have the utmost respect for.
I went to see "The Dukes of September" last year and the songs I did like made the show more than worthwhile. Some of the tunes the girls did or covers of songs from the 50's or 60's weren't for me, but I could still appreciate their artistry.
To accentuate the positive rather than the negative, I think "Almost Gothic" captures the essence of the old Steely Dan while putting a new spin on it. I would love to hear this one Live
but maybe its just better as a slick SD in-studio production.
I've always seen "What a Shame About Me", "Things I Miss the Most" and "H Gang" as a trilogy...When "Two Against Nature" came out, I thought "What a Shame About Me" was the premiere track that was THE single from the album. Had Pop/Rock Music still been considered a relevant part of Pop Culture, this song would have cracked the top 10 for sure. But we know that the Music Industry is now a niche industry.
Another poster had asked if Donald Fagen had another "Aja" in him. "Sunken Condos" has that kind of brilliance. "Slinky Thing" is so sophisticated and rich. "I'm Not the Same Without You" is pure magic. It reminds me of the kind of tune that would start a classic film with the lead character hanging his thumb out trying to hitch a ride after enduring some form of humilation. "Memorabilia" is probably my favorite as it has kind of a whimsical feel. "Weather in My Head" always reminds me of Don Henley & The Eagles. I could see Henley singing that tune as well. "Miss Marlene" has that great traditional "Steely Dan" sound which is why people seem to love it so much.
So to add my two cents, I'm hoping to see a "Steely Dan" concert this summer or even hope to hear about another new "SD" album sometime in the future. Mr. Fagen has so much talent. I can't wait to hear what he's got planned for us.


Date: Sun, February 17, 2013, 09:35:58 ET
Posted by: Adam , Levine

seriously, this is better than steely dan? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPTlhBmwRg

you're 67 - you should know better. maybe it's senility?


Date: Sun, February 17, 2013, 09:32:18 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Sorry for the triple post - hit post by mistake.

I do think there's something special about Steely Dan's 70s output, but I don't think it's simply because all music was better then. I think it has to do with the trajectory of any artist. You improve steadily and eventually you peak.


Date: Sun, February 17, 2013, 09:24:17 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Also, I wholeheartedly reject the notion that music from the 60s and 70s was uniformly better than music today. Popular music, maybe. The Internet has allowed music to become more fragmented, just as cable TV has allowed television to target smaller niches. You used to only be able to watch 3 channels, now there's three hundred. But no one's saying that hurt television - in fact, most critics will tell you that television is in its "golden age." Sure, there's plenty of terrible reality shows, but you also have Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and Game of Thrones. You just have to know where to look.


Date: Sun, February 17, 2013, 09:15:08 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

"And some of Maroon 5 and Dave Matthews I like better than much of Steely Dan."

To each their own, but, really? Maroon fucking 5?


Date: Sun, February 17, 2013, 08:12:15 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Diaz: "I find it quite arrogant and pompous to say the old stuff was better."

But if someone's opinion is that the newer stuff is better, that's somehow the "correct opinion" to have, right? (You're proving my point, in case you hadn't noticed...) Newer doesn't necessarily mean better.

Diaz: "That's like saying D&W have not made any progress as artists and are trying to regain their 70's form - far from it."

Some of their new music is quite good, but generally it doesn't have the same effect on me as the older material does. So sue me.

Diaz: "Maybe read what they have to say about the newer releases?"

I've heard Donald talk about what he listens to (i.e. mostly the same stuff he did when he was younger); don't know about Walter though.

Diaz: "Just because it doesn't sound like Katy Lied or Aja?
That was almost 40 years ago, and Elvis is dead now."

So in other words, as time passes, music from generations past will become irreleavnt?

Diaz: "Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but people disqualify their own comments often here by clinging to Your gold tooth and not realizing that they are in over their heads with the new stuff.
Get with it, blowbacks."

Really? So my opinion is now disqualified? Thanks ref. Good thing somebody like you isn't in a position of authority to enforce your world view upon the masses.


geez: "Or maybe you're just to old to seek out all the great stuff that is happening away from the 'politically correct machine.' Your comment is silly, and I'm sure is similar to the kind of comment old people made in the '70s when discussing Sinatra versus Zepplin."

I'm in my early 30's. Yeah, sorry if I don't fit your preferred demographic. And for the record, I do seek out good music, but the good stuff is few and far-between. Again, somehow my fault?

http://www.gizmag.com/pop-music-trends/23535/

According to this research, music has become louder, more homogeneous and, frankly, dumbed down over the past few decades.


Date: Sat, February 16, 2013, 23:01:42 ET
Posted by: well, GEEZ, why don't you clue us in?

I am 67 and I keep up with mostly all of the new artists like Maroon 5, Dave Matthews, Mumford and Sons, Black Keys, Rihanna, Chris Brown, Bruno Mars to name a few. They seem pretty good to me. And some of Maroon 5 and Dave Matthews I like better than much of Steely Dan.

But overall, the music now is simpler and dumbed down, like back in the 1940's and 1950's during Sinatra's time. Music actually got more sophisticated poetically and used more instruments and arrangements, to which Steely Dan was a big contributor, along with Moody Blues, and many others from about the mid 1960's to the late 1980's. Around 1990 most music in the public eye generally began to turn shitty by any standard and started following a formula of catchy, repetitive tunes, like jingles, little or no musical talent, mostly percussion and the singers physical looks taking over the prime importance (tours and videos) so as to make the most money. So now, we are now back to the way it was in the 1940's and 1950's, when you had Sinatra, Elvis and others who possessed maybe a good voice, looks, but not much else who were propped up there, like Bieber, Rihanna, and others are today.

The mainstream music continues today to be generally shitty, and will probably continue to be shitty for eternity. It has gotten worse with the sampling that takes an old song note for note and they sing over it. We have come full circle back to the early days of pop, with simple songs, simple lyrics and good looking artists. This is what works and makes money. But there are indie groups out there of pretty high caliber that are real talented artists, but they might be fat or ugly, or don't have a pop-star gimmick and most will never see the light of day. As a result, Becker and Fagen themselves, as young artists, with their looks and sophisticated music as good as they are might have trouble making it under today's environment.


Date: Sat, February 16, 2013, 22:00:45 ET
Posted by: Diaz, right here


I find it quite arrogant and pompous to say the old stuff was better.
That's like saying D&W have not made any progress as artists and are trying to regain their 70's form - far from it.
Maybe read what they have to say about the newer releases?
Just because it doesn't sound like Katy Lied or Aja?
That was almost 40 years ago, and Elvis is dead now.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but people disqualify their own comments often here by clinging to Your gold tooth and not realizing that they are in over their heads with the new stuff.
Get with it, blowbacks.


Date: Sat, February 16, 2013, 17:47:39 ET
Posted by: geez, how bloody boring

quoting Michael:
"...but then music in general was better across the board..."
"There was more ...dedication to mastering a craft than there is now." "People were generally more human rather than byproducts of the politically correct machine of today which tries to manipulate public opinion."

Or maybe you're just to old to seek out all the great stuff that is happening away from the "politically correct machine". Your comment is silly, and I'm sure is similar to the kind of comment old people made in the '70s when discussing Sinatra versus Zepplin.


Date: Sat, February 16, 2013, 17:17:10 ET
Posted by: Not fooling, anybody

King Cole = Steely Don = Gennerelli.


Date: Sat, February 16, 2013, 09:32:24 ET
Posted by: Michael, @macready

"You can take all of that into account and all make good points

But most people will say the old Steely Dan is still the best."

It is, but then music in general was better across the board ...that is, besides disco. But some of the new stuff can hold its own, such as Almost Gothic and Miss Marlene.

Time to get on my soap box.

There was more prosperity, optimism and dedication to mastering a craft than there is now. People were generally more human rather than byproducts of the politically correct machine of today which tries to manipulate public opinion. Also, there's far more distractions. Stuff like mobile phones and social networking eat away precious time (and time is indeed precious).

Listen to the BGM in today's TV shows and movies. Quite frankly, it blows. There aren't any new composers on the level of guys like Mancini, Schifrin, Morricone, etc. etc. Those composers had genuine skill; their music had distinct personality. Did you know that they even used a Bacharach tune on one of those late night TV movie bumper segments on one of the major networks? Yeah, now THAT'S quality right there. Culture was more of a shared experience. Name for me some contemporary film/TV composers with similarly memorable compositions. You can't because everything is either licensed garbage, droning *WRRRRRRROOOOOOMMMM* sounds or whatever thoroughly unmemorable stuff they can find to reinforce a sense of isolation and hopelessness.

What does this have to do with Steely Dan? Environment. Their working environment was completely different in every sense. At every turn Fagen and Becker were surrounded with superb musicianship, artistry and literature. Artists tend to feed off their surrounding enviornment, their culture and experiences. It's very telling that Donald himself confesses to listening to the same stuff he did decades ago. That wouldn't be the case if the music of today were on par with yesteryears'. It isn't just some misty-eyed longing for nostalgia, no, it's simply a matter of wanting real expression, soul, creative ingenuity and passion, qualities seldom found in contemporary music. Of course I don't speak for Mr. Fagen, I'm just making my own observations.

That all being said, here's hoping that a new Steely Dan album is in the works.


Date: Sat, February 16, 2013, 02:34:18 ET
Posted by: spell casters, west Africa

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Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 16:44:57 ET
Posted by: Swgabriel , DFW

Thanks, Vic!


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 16:18:54 ET
Posted by: vic,

Swgabriel, Very true. He enjoys playing it just as much as most of his fans hate hearing it. Have a good time!


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 16:05:25 ET
Posted by: Len, US

Re: The facebook picture of Oh Whitney w/ special guest.

I don't see Sam Yahel anywhere.


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 14:44:23 ET
Posted by: Swgabriel, DFW

Thank you, Jazzassin!
Vic, in answer to your question: because Mr. Fagen enjoys playing it on stage. Good times.


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 13:10:54 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Face piano? Cool.

Nay, the melodica is good. Noble. Have fun, Swgabriel!

Macready, that's your privilige to think whatever you like of it. I just have a slightly different taste. What "most people" would say, I really have no idea, but I wouldn't be surpriseed at all if you are correct.


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 12:24:04 ET
Posted by: vic,

Swgabriel, Why would anybody want to see Fagen with "that Melodica"? What a horrible instrument!


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 12:16:31 ET
Posted by: macready, Kenosha WI

You can take all of that into account and all make good points

But most people will say the old Steely Dan is still the best.


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 10:51:09 ET
Posted by: Swgabriel, DFW

Here is a link to a picture that Oh Whitney posted on Facebook of them rehearsing with their very special guest for Tomorrow night!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=570349752992725&set=a.157537664273938.36798.150088401685531&type=1&ref=nf


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 10:33:20 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG, PA

J.Bridges, good call by you, I should really try to ease up on my
oregano smoking, it could be affecting my judgement. Which wasnt
too good to begin with.


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 08:47:55 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, so old I'm using crutches in China

What's old enough for nostalgia? I guess it varies. What year were you born? What year was your "summer of '69"? When did you move out from your moms lap? When did a new form of music start to come out that didn't appeal to you at all? What was the first standard storage format for music when you bought your first album? Is "album" even a relevant unity for you at all? The answers to these rethorical questions and maybe a few more will determine what's old enough for nostalgia.
For me, nostalgia ends in the late '80s. Everything after that is new, and will always be. ;o)

The best thing about OLD testament Dan to me is that it's BOTH of unmatched quality AND a wonderfully nostalgic thing.
The best thing, however, about NEW testament Dan is that it's MERELY of unmatched quality, but has NOTHING of that dank nostalgia sticking to it! A catalog for all seasons, indeed.


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 08:13:41 ET
Posted by: The Real Dan,

I agree with these arguments, but Kamakiriad is 20 years old, and Two Against nature is pushing 15 years old. That is old enough for nostalgia right there. There have been some fantastic songs here and there since 2000 such as the ones listed such as on Sunken Condos. But overall, the albums they just don't measure up from the Nightfly backward which tunes are hardly ever passed over when you play the album.


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 07:47:08 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Perfection & Grace

fagenism, I agree wholeheartedly. Musically they're more sophisticated than ever.

As for the nostalgia factor ... that's always relevant of course, but having that said I guess there's even more to it than that. In the '50s, '60s & '70s music was still (sometimes) dangerous, it was a part of a social/cultural experiment. The artists, critics and fans shared this new wave and no one really knew what was going to happen next. New music was released and digested in a moderate tempo, and some artists got a superstar status that is rarely seen anymore except for relatively short-lived hype objects and some stayers on the strictly commercial scene. Video killed the radio star.
The amount of input, and not only of the musical kind, wasn't half as massive as is the case these days. The magic that enshrouded the whole music- and entertainment business is gone and the business is struggling with a new technological reality and with telling us exactly what to dig and what to buy. Music is in fact no longer important in people's lives in the way it used to.
I think, even for those of us who are fairly serious about our musical passions, this is true. If you're old enough to have had your taste shaped in that era, the music that you listened to back then will often appear as superior to everything that came later. The nostalgia is probably more on behalf of a general vibe of times gone by than than the music as such, but it influences a lot on how we percept music as well.
So there's a lot of factors other than the mere quality of the music itself. Which in SD's case is as good as ever, if not even better, imho.
Like I've said repeatedly in the past; not even nostalgia is what it used to be. Good music is still as good as it gets, but the signal to noise ratio is radically exacerbated, so it takes a bigger effort to filter the stream. And the noise probably influences on the way we percieve all music, even really brilliant music.

Anyway, the idea that new testament Dan songs are inferior to anything is something I just can't understand. I listen to the whole catalog with unrestrained pleasure. If there's a few songs I might skip once in a while, they are all on the two first albums. Ever since, it's been pure p & g all the way, I think.


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 06:42:14 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Noastlgia Ave.

When fans argue that there is a magic present on early material like CBAT that is somehow missing on new testament cuts (like, say, Almost Gothic, Negative Girl, Everything Must Go, Lunch With Gina, The Great Pagoda Of Funn, The Night Belongs To Mona, Miss Marlene et al) it makes my brain hurt a little.

Sure, taste is subjective. But what could possibly fuel this notion other than nostalgia? The production is better these days; the harmonies and song structures are more lucious; Don sings better, with more self confidence and attitude. The list goes on and on.

Get with the times, kids!


Date: Fri, February 15, 2013, 05:25:25 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Rock's Back Pages

Nice collection of classic Dan reviews:

http://www.rocksbackpages.com/Library/Artist/steely-dan/


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Date: Thurs, February 14, 2013, 19:40:20 ET
Posted by: The Real Dan,

You can shuffle your lists around all you want.

The fact of the matter is that the Real Dan went out of existence after the time of The Nightfly.

Sure there have been some tracks with flashes of brilliance since that time, but none of these 90s and after 2000 albums since have had that Track One through Track 8, 9 or 10 punch that we heard from CBAT up to Nightfly. This earlier excellence may have been due to the production of Katz and others at Dunhill and MCA, who were brilliant with many artists besides the Dan and put out some of the greatest musical works in history.

Whatever that magic was it is definitely gone.

And that is the sad, sad truth. The dirty lowdown.


Date: Thurs, February 14, 2013, 19:18:18 ET
Posted by: J Bridges, I-81

Dylan Fan what you say is beyond vanilla and choc. If you like those 3 songs, you must be smokin wherever you are.


Date: Thurs, February 14, 2013, 18:48:30 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Cliche alert: SteelyDon, that's why they make vanilla and chocolate.
While I really like all of Sunken Condos, my favorite tracks are
the last three. I know I am in the minority, but so be it.


Date: Thurs, February 14, 2013, 16:55:47 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

Sunken Condos discussion:

I actually do like tracks 1-4 + 7 better than the remaining tracks, as another poster (or posters) has the same taste as me on this particular album. However, I still really like Good Stuff, The New Breed, Out of the Ghetto, and Planet D'Rhonda. Planet D'Rhonda is probably my least favorite track right now, but it still has many redeeming qualities, like the awesome guitar solo and the choruses. When I first heard the album, The New Breed was my least favorite track, but that song has grown on me tremendously.

Current "Ranking" of Sunken Condos for me:

1. Slinky Thing
2. Miss Marlene
3. I'm Not the Same Without You
4. Weather in My Head
5. Memorabilia
6. Good Stuff
7. The New Breed
8. Out of the Ghetto
9. Planet D'Rhonda

The top 5 are pretty dead set, but the other 4 change often. I really like the lyrics to Good Stuff, so that's why it's currently a notch above the other 3. Of course, even though I'm "ranking" the songs, they are still enjoyable, good songs to me.

In my opinion, Slinky Thing is simply a masterpiece. It's become instantly one of my all-time favorite SD/Fagen tunes, and is at or near the top of my most-frequently played songs on i-tunes. I know that even among SD fans (and even more so with the hardcore SD fans on this forum), there are a lot of varying opinions on which are the best and "worst" SD songs, as there should be... But I have a really difficult time imagining how anyone cannot be enamored with Slinky Thing. I feel that strongly about it. Miss Marlene is another classic that is among the best of the best SD songs, though it doesn't have quite the emotional effect that Slinky Thing has on me. So those two songs, I hold in very high regard, and those two songs alone are enough to elevate Sunken Condos into a really good album. Now, there are two songs on Morph the Cat (Mona and Great Pagoda) that I also feel similarly strongly about (and another one in What I Do that I love as well), but as a whole, I think the next three songs on Sunken Condos (INTSWY,Weather, Memorabilia) are pretty much better than the rest of Morph the Cat and most of the songs, with the exception of Snowbound, on Kamakiriad as well for that matter. The remaining for songs on Sunken Condos for me are on-par, give or take, with the remaining songs on the other albums. As for where it fits in on SD albums as a whole (not including Becker's two), it looks a little like this:

First tier:

- Aja
- The Nightfly
- Countdown to Ecstasy
- The Royal Scam

Second tier:

- Gaucho
- Sunken Condos
- Katy Lied

Third tier:

- Two Against Nature
- Morph the Cat
- Pretzel Logic
- Can't Buy A Thrill
- Everything Must Go
- Kamakiriad

Again, the order of the list fluctuates, which is why I didn't rank these albums, and I also could be favoring an album based on my mood etc, but this is probably a good general guide, and as you can see, Sunken Condos is in some good company. I basically think it's the best SD/Fagen album since The Nightfly and is comparable in terms of quality to Gaucho and Katy Lied.

(Note: I know third tier might not sound flattering, but just for the usual disclaimer, third tier SD is still pretty awesome).

I am interested in hearing how Sunken Condos is like a reverse Katy Lied, so I hope to hear that explanation soon.


Date: Thurs, February 14, 2013, 14:20:31 ET
Posted by: Swgabriel, DFW

*not Fort Woth* Fort Worth! & this coming from a Native Texan! ;)


Date: Thurs, February 14, 2013, 14:05:50 ET
Posted by: Swgabriel, DFW

Thanks, Jazzassin. I am hoping Mr. Fagen will be on that stage with that Melodica! I will certainly report in this weekend. Donald ate dinner with his wife, Libby, at the Flying Saucer in Fort Woth last night. He's making the rounds in Cowtown. :)


Date: Thurs, February 14, 2013, 13:31:53 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Jamband Man Donald

Swgabriel,
Thanks for the link. Shame we didn't get to hear more soloing from our man on the Melancholodica, he actually got interrupted by another vocal verse. When he finally seemed ready to go, it was a bit too late.

If people can't get the previous link to work, here's another one for the same clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCNUFXrvjTc


Date: Thurs, February 14, 2013, 11:58:41 ET
Posted by: Swgabriel, DFW

I am really excited about Saturday night. I have tickets to the Oh Whitney show; the tickets read: Oh Whitney & Very Special Surprise Guest. Seeing Donald Fagen at a small (400 people capacity) for $10 is unbelievable!

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=cCNUFXrvjTc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcCNUFXrvjTc


Date: Thurs, February 14, 2013, 10:57:40 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Richmond

@ "UH" thanks for your snide remarks. It must be easy for a coward like yourself to hide behind the invisible shroud that the internet provides. Sorry, but I only post when I feel like I have a worthwhile comment. So I guess by your account you really like when the bluebook gets spammed because, hey at least the spam post a lot.

You are a joke.

See you in 6 months.


Date: Thurs, February 14, 2013, 10:44:37 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Thanks Doc Mu. That's some fairly huge news - when was the last time Fagen produced something independently?


Date: Wed, February 13, 2013, 23:48:30 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

The reviewer of the 2000 TAN Grammy must have indeed only listened to CTE and TAN. From that frame of reference, we might give him the benefit of the doubt about the Dan being a "jam band". Not much else in the Old or New Testaments strongly "jams" such as King of the World, "As far as I Know".....


Date: Wed, February 13, 2013, 23:39:49 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Doc Mu

We need to hear about SC being the reverse of Katy Lied.

Is this likened to the Opposite of an Aerial View?


Date: Wed, February 13, 2013, 22:46:51 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Cazadores Anejo

QUOTE (from The Dean): I'll refrain, for the moment, at laughing at those who call any of the tracks from SC "horrible".

You are being far too defferential my friend. As usual, you are simply too polite when dealing with clods. You refrain. I can't (no self control, we understand).

"Good Stuff", maligned here back in October as "filler" by at least a few obvious dirt-disturbers, is a great track - as good as anything DF has released/recorded in the past two decades. Perfect, atmospheric storytelling/great lyrics/a song that rewards repeat listenings. One really has to wonder, has The Blue been infested with flavour-of-the-minute-disposable-pop Lady GooGoo/Justin Bieber fans of late? Well, I wonder anyways.

Although "Ghetto" might just be my least favourite track, it IS pretty darn good, and was for several weeks the most popular & requested song at my semi-regular Saturday night music-fests here at Casa d'M/O/D/P, especially among the younger (i.e. under 25) crowd. A song with klezmers that the kids go for - who would have thunk?

As far as D'Rhonda goes, every time I hear it now I think of your hilariously "faux-insensitive" dissertation on the song and why you felt it was about a guy who's fallen for a Black girl. That was Good Stuff, Dean. See how I did that? "Good Stuff" the cool song....then "good stuff" as an expression used to describe the past musings of one of the best/most interesting contributors here......








Date: Wed, February 13, 2013, 21:51:46 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Oh Whitney videos:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+Oh+Whitney.&oq=+Oh+Whitney.&gs_l=youtube.12...10385.10385.0.12271.1.1.0.0.0.0.71.71.1.1.0...0.0...1ac.2.ug6LxlSgoFI


Date: Wed, February 13, 2013, 21:48:06 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Doc Mu thanks for the link. Might as well link to the music of the Fort Worth band, Oh Whitney, that Don is producing:

http://www.ohwhitney.com/music/

I'll refrain, for the moment, at laughing at those who call any of the tracks from SC "horrible".


Date: Wed, February 13, 2013, 21:36:56 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


Donald does Dallas....errrrrrr Fort Worth


http://www.fwweekly.com/2013/02/13/oh-donald/



Condos is like a reverse Katy Lied in a good way. Will explain later. It's far better than Kama, despite the fab horn charts on the Mantis One


Date: Wed, February 13, 2013, 19:25:22 ET
Posted by: king cole, pomona cal

I agree with Steely Don and Gennerelli. Planet Ronda, Good Stuff and especially Out the Ghetto are horrible. New breed can take or leave.

i remember them jammin out longer and changign Glamor Profesion at Soboba Casino around 5 or 6 years ago.


Date: Wed, February 13, 2013, 18:42:12 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

On the Jam Band thread, they always seem to have a couple of songs that they use to stretch out and play a few extra choruses. "Green Earrings" and "Your Gold Teeth" from the last tour come to mind. In fact from 1993 until 2011, I never saw them where they Didn't play GE. Anybody got any other examples of live songs on which they jam? (and by jam I mean the go around on some extra choruses/rides.)I agree that Countdown to Ecstacy is the most jamming album. TVN second. Has anyone ever seeen them do KOTW?(probably 1974 or before. The Rainbow version is smokin'!)Imagine what the current band could do with that...


Date: Wed, February 13, 2013, 18:28:52 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Taat a mpa

To Steely Don -

I agree with your comments.

The top 4 tracks along with #7 are the best. The other 4 tracks I really have no use for.

I was listening to the album again tonight on the ride home from work. While I don't think "The Nightfly" or "Kamakiriad" had one bad song, the four forgettable ones on "SC" were very forgettable. But saying that I will say Tracks 1-4 and #7 would fit in nicely on any SD album or Donald Fagen solo album.

I would enjoy hearing any of them at a concert this summer...but hope that Don & Walt dust off a couple of oldies that we haven't heard during the 90's or 2000's.


Date: Wed, February 13, 2013, 07:57:53 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Samantha. Correct ! Just to mention the good old BBC have got a poll of their most played 100 albums running at the moment. Can't Buy A Thrill and The Nightfly are in the 100, so give one them a vote. It won't make much difference to the result because something inane will probably win !


Date: Tues, February 12, 2013, 23:12:11 ET
Posted by: Mr. Lapage, The Great Pagoda

Having been a Dan fan since the beginning and pondering the future, I have been wondering lately: Does Don have one more AJA in him? Don't get me wrong, everything the Dan and Don have done is great, but an epic song like that doesn't come along very often. Ian Anderson is still at it(Check out Change of Horses). Any thoughts?


Date: Tues, February 12, 2013, 21:45:30 ET
Posted by: UH?,

SteelyDon- Thanks for posting once every six months and letting us all know what you don't like about Donald's record that came out over four months ago. See you again in August.


Date: Tues, February 12, 2013, 21:33:31 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Jacksonville

The more and more I listen to SC, the more I realize that I have a hard time getting past track 4 (Weather in my Head). The first 4 tracks are awesome. Track 5 and 6 not so much. Track 7 thru 9 I like but they don't get me going like the first 4 tracks. Anyone else feel this way?


Date: Tues, February 12, 2013, 20:07:57 ET
Posted by: Hector E.,

I would say Countdown to Ecstasy is the most jam band album, then West of Hollywood of Two Against Nature. Then I would say I got the News off Aja.


Date: Tues, February 12, 2013, 16:16:13 ET
Posted by: Elgin, Boston

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Date: Tues, February 12, 2013, 10:14:39 ET
Posted by: RP, NC


About 10 seconds in..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qFSqECVBS0


Date: Tues, February 12, 2013, 10:08:49 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello, Baton Rouge

The Wayne Shorter Quartet will appearing on Sunday, May 5, 2013 at the New Orleans Jazz Fest, for those of you who feel like traveling to our fair state.

http://lineup.nojazzfest.com/band/wayne-shorter-quartet-feat-danilo-perez-john-patitucci-and-brian-blade

Stanley Clarke and George Duke will appear at the Jazz Fest on the previous day, May 4.

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Date: Tues, February 12, 2013, 10:03:40 ET
Posted by: west of hollywood , jams out


Date: Tues, February 12, 2013, 09:07:39 ET
Posted by: Samantha Wimsatt, London

"Then they say, how come this album sounds like the seventies ones?"

Because, mutatis mutandis, we're still the same people--same writers, same singer, etc.


Date: Tues, February 12, 2013, 00:42:53 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

LOL Yeah, 70s jam bands don't exactly sit out most of the decade after their intoxicated bus driver takes over the PA system at a concert.


Dean - I have nothing but the assumption that W is sitting this one out as he watches Civilization circle the drain on his satellite modem...


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 23:52:19 ET
Posted by: irritable, Oz

Steely Dan is not to be found in the list of Jam Bands set out in Wikipedia - which is based on a remarkably extended definition of what could constitute a Jam Band. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam_band

In view of SDs meticulously refined song arrangements and the tight control over improvisation opportunities in concert, it's puzzling that the author of the article used that expression.

And as for the statement "... they sounded like they had picked up right where they left off in terms of their style, and the 20-year hiatus didn't seem to factor into how the album sounded at all ..." - I think that's wrong on a few counts.

2vN had a radically different drum sound to Aja and Gaucho: two decades of progressive Funk had a significant effect on the rhythm arrangements, lots more Dom7 vamping in song verses, almost bleeding edge harmonic ideas in places (esp. Negative Girl and Almost Gothic), and generally fewer obvious melody hooks or lush textures - all these made for a significant change from the sound of prior albums. There were plenty of obvious continuities - sardonic lyrics, superb horns and background vocal arrangements, and state of the art production - but certainly not "right where they left off".


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 21:10:29 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Though I will NOT concede that Steely Dan, DF or WB overall overall bodies of work were ever of the "jam" band type. At least not in the sense of Phish or The Dead. Or maybe Yes or Tull.

But the Dan had one pretty "jammin" album, and mebbe two or three others that contained jammin type cuts.

There is no specific answer (s), but look at it with an open mind, and suggest which SD albums or cuts MIGHT lead to such a conclusion by the author of that Grammy article if his listening experience was restricted to only those suggested.


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 20:31:08 ET
Posted by: irritable, Australia

Gotye is the stage name of Wally de Backer, who was born in Belgium, raised in Oz.

His birth name is Woultros, which morphed to "Wally" when he moved to Oz.

In French, Woultros translates as Gaultier.

Phonetically, Gaultier = "Gotye".

As for his song, it's harmonically very simple but there are a lot of very clever things happening, esp. with unconventional vocal line, and the terrific lyrical twist at the end.

Unlike most of the songs up for awards.


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 19:22:39 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Quick notes:

Doc, do you have any real info about Walter, or is this just a hunch? I'm thinking many counted him out in the 80's and early 90's, too. I will actually be shocked if SD doesn't tour and/or make another album. I understand that is a distinct possibility, but it isn't what I expect.

The 2000 Grammy article was interesting, but like Doc Mu I think the album speaks for itself w/o needing explanations on why it won Album of the Year. Better to spend your time explaining how Royal Scam, Aja, etc. DIDN'T win that award. Also does anyone really consider Steely Dan a "jam band"?

And while it may be technically true that "the group had never won a single Grammy before [2vN]" both Aja and Gaucho won Engineering Grammys.


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 15:13:28 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Luke: Interesting.

...or it could have been that the producers and engineers overwhelmingly voted for TvN because it sounded better than anything else out there...


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 14:37:43 ET
Posted by: Luke D.A., via hoops

A Great Read:

Most articles scrutinize the Grammy win for TAN, saying it was simply the Recording Academy's sense of nostalgia for a band long overdue. Here's a piece that attempts to explain why they won that year instead of the typical bs:

http://www.goldderby.com/news/4020/grammys-2000-album-of-the-year-steely-dan-eminem-upset-entertainment-music-news-23890408.html


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 14:00:37 ET
Posted by: Toni,

why is everybody so certain that Walter is done? He should get something like Twitter and write some of that interesting stuff that used to be on Sd website. I personally would allways prefer a Sd over a fagen album and i also like CM bettr than SC so Walter get going and give us another solo album or even better another Sd album. I belive in you.


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 12:57:12 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

uhhhhh...Wally De Backer is Gotye's real name.

Our Walter is in Hawaii smokin' ganja. He's done. It's been a great ride. We *might* get another Dan tour if the piggy banks are low. Otherwise, some Dukes tours and maybe a Fagen Indy label album...


SC is a Fab album indeed and represents Donald's entire spectrum of a career well. It *should* be nominated for a Grammy next year, but I'm not holding my breath.




Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 11:34:11 ET
Posted by: Hunt, Boston

Re: "From Daryl's house" RIP bassist T-Bone Wolk. Shawn Pelton on drums is the man! That's Zev Katz on bass. Zev played on a bunch of DF demos as well as some recorded versions of some Fagen singles.


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 09:26:03 ET
Posted by: ,

I'm guessing "satire" is just a way to shield themselves legally. It looks like they're just looking for hits. Basically spammers.


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 07:48:09 ET
Posted by: Phil, chez moi

mediamass is just an automated hoax generator, if you type any other name, I tried Al Jarreau to see, you'll get exactly the same "articles".
http://en.mediamass.net/people/al-jarreau
That's all folks

BTW, I don't think anyone already talked about the " From Daryl's house"
videos here, try this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igkyajvrm-8
Hours of live and great music


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 06:38:47 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, stupid too

Sorrry, forget that previous comment.
After a bit of further reading I realize it was never meant as satire on anything but the internet mechanisms and gossip mags, and as such I guess it's quite amusing.


Date: Mon, February 11, 2013, 04:37:11 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, satire maybe, but with not much truth at the bottom like really good satire should have ...

... but anyway, here's their WB special:

http://en.mediamass.net/people/walter-becker


Date: Sun, February 10, 2013, 23:33:07 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

That site is satire.
http://en.mediamass.net/blog/mediamass-project


Date: Sun, February 10, 2013, 22:31:59 ET
Posted by: ,

It looks like some sort of sophisticated search engine gaming. If you look at the other links on the page, there's an article on walter's dog, his fiancée, and being voted sexiest man of the year.


Date: Sun, February 10, 2013, 21:32:13 ET
Posted by: ,

Tried a couple of French-to-English sites:

Babylon.com translation from French:
Walter Becker in studio? So for the moment no information still filtered, the specialized sites them, speak only about that (especially since the end of January 2013, note): Walter Becker would prepare his great return and would work currently even with a new album studio.\n\nCorrective 2/11/2013: It would seem that this rumour is unfounded.

translate.google.com: ("spends her days"?)
Walter Becker in the studio? If for the moment no information has yet filtered sites specializing them only talk about it (especially since the end of January 2013, ed): Walter Becker prepare a comeback and will work at this very moment a new studio album.

11/02/2013 Patch: It seems that this rumor is unfounded. (more info)

The famous musician, now 62 years old, spend her days in the studio to record what many foresee as the album's homecoming.

Earlier this week a source considered reliable reportedly told the journalist of great American music monthly, he prepares something very great. "I can not say more, but yes, there will be surprises." A statement that joins a long list of revelations ...

Walter Becker back on stage

Always running noise in radius, it evokes more a big tour that follows the release of the album: Walter Becker would thus his comeback! The announcement, however, to take the conditional, has generated unprecedented excitement among fans of the musician. And the rumor of a fresh start on social networks.

If confirmed, the music world holds its event in 2013!

Another site that only lets you translate the first 1,000 words:
Walter Becker in studio? If for the time being no information has still leaked out, the specialized sites them, speak only of this (especially since the end of January, 2013, editor's notes): Walter Becker would prepare his big return and work at the moment even studio on a new album.

Corrective in 11/02/2013: It would seem that this rumour is infondée. (in knowledge more)

The famous musician, today 62-year-old, would cross his days in studio to record what many people sense as the album of return to sources.

At the beginning of week a considered source as dependable would have entrusted to the journalist of a big American musical monthly magazine, that it gets ready to something very very big. « I cannot say about it more, but yes, there will be surprises ». A statement which joins a long list of revelations …

Walter Becker back on stage

Always in the ray noise which runs, they recall more and more a big tour which would follow the exit of the album: Walter Becker would make.......


Date: Sun, February 10, 2013, 20:17:20 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

After further review, isn't Wally De Backer actally Gotye's real name?


Date: Sun, February 10, 2013, 20:15:31 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Have yet to check out all the interesting (one hopes) links that have been posted the past week. Been a bit under the weather and quite busy.

But a couple responses to very recent posts:

Highway Ticket, are you suggesting Wally De Backer (Gotye's producer) might be Walter Becker? Seriously?

And CJB, a new Walter Becker album> That would be great. But right on that page you posted is a link to a correction. However, the translation of the correction is pretty odd. There doesn't seem to be any mention of Becker on the correction page (which is dated prior to the Becker article). Can anyone read this in French and tell us what it all means? Thanks.


Date: Sun, February 10, 2013, 19:44:27 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

Hey kids, heads up, breaking news from our friends across the pond:

http://fr.mediamass.net/people/walter-becker/nouvel-album.html

4 years since "Circus Money," sounds about right!


Date: Sun, February 10, 2013, 19:43:50 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR


Date: Sun, February 10, 2013, 18:54:45 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Thanks to Jazzassasin, Doc and Dean. Fixed something a little different just now--hope it helps for a while. I don't think anyone's (non-spam) post got deleted when I took out the spam; but if it did, it was certainly unintentional--please email me privately and I will get it back.

Thanks for the Wayne Shorter heads up. Second time I've heard about his new album in the past two days. I'll have to make sure I get it. I can't imagine downloading Wayne Shorter's new album. Gotta have a real CD. Which reminds me: I know that Universal and Warners probably would get more of a cut than with any T-shirt, but I sure would rather buy LPs than T-shirts at the souvenir stand than a T-shirt.

Sorry--I don't even think of "Dallas" as an Steely Dan track, although it was. Just awful in my book. "Sail the Waterway" gives me some enjoyment. I also like the 1968-71 demos, although I can understand D + W lack of excitement for them on several fronts. So I guess there is ONE Steely Dan song I don't especially care for -- "Dallas."

Still playing "Sunken Condos" to death -- and there's one aspect that perceive as having a lot of potential. I'll write about it when I am better to articulate my speculation.

Fly low and be cool.

Jim


Date: Sun, February 10, 2013, 18:44:33 ET
Posted by: highway ticket , altamira

Wally De Backer, producer; Wally De Backer & Francois Tetaz, engineers/mixers; William Bowden, mastering engineer


guess it could be


Date: Sun, February 10, 2013, 00:00:53 ET
Posted by: RP, NC

Jason Sudekis on SNL...shout out to Dan fans as the best ever.. 02/09/2013


Date: Sat, February 09, 2013, 06:28:36 ET
Posted by: cold porter, in the archives

wow Dallas white label promo...the only known stereo version ever issued

.....http://www.ebay.com/itm/STEELY-DAN-Dallas-mono-Dallas-stereo-promo-45rpm-/111005526935?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item19d871eb97


sure wish MCA was working on a real box set....seems like so many good stuff is just slipping away


Date: Sat, February 09, 2013, 00:30:47 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Spent much of today snowed in and listening to the new Wayne Shorter Quartet album WITHOUT A NET on repeat. Anyone else check this out? I love this group and this is one of their most thrilling recordings to date.


Date: Fri, February 08, 2013, 15:38:41 ET
Posted by: vic,

Nate: If some of those people in that facebook group don't know, nobody here will either. Believe me.


Date: Fri, February 08, 2013, 14:06:21 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Ingram was pretty obscure in North America, and they didn't get their props. But the record store imports do explain how you knew about it. Shame about losing the record stores on many levels. But NOW the Web can tell you if there are bands in Nigeria that are putting out excellent Acid Rock. No more need to import! There is a band in Japan that plays nearly flawless covers of Steely Dan, with a not so bad impersonation of DF on vocals. Go figure.


I almost forgot about the greatest band out of Norway A-HA!

Next, you will tell me that THEY were obscure over there? :o)


Date: Fri, February 08, 2013, 12:51:35 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Blue Norwaii

Brains,
Ingram was not big by any measure over here either, but were amongst a bunch of obscure '70s US funk- and disco artists that was represented on various DJ collections, probably made for the european market. I grew up with a 17 year older brother who used to run the local record shop at the corner back then, and I was probably exposed to more diverse music at early age than most. He even imported a lot of music directly from US & UK. All those shops are gone now, unfortunately.


Date: Fri, February 08, 2013, 12:49:38 ET
Posted by: Paul,

Steely Dan alum, Cynthia Calhoun (2000 & 2003) will be performing with Roxboro Entertainment recording artist Sunnie Paxson this Sunday (Feb 10th) at Il Moro on Olympic Blvd in Los Angeles CA. They'll be joined by Dan Lutz (paul brown, peter white, sheila e, andy summers, larry carlton,...) on bass and Jimmy Paxson (stanley clarke, stevie nicks, rod stewart, steve vai,...)on drums.

Feel free to check out Cynthia's FB page and/or website. www.cynthiacalhoun.com


Date: Fri, February 08, 2013, 12:30:23 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Jazzassin

Whoa! You mean to tell me that Ingram's music infiltrated into Norway back then? They weren't even that big in North America.

All we could get over here from Europe, aside from the UK was Dieter Meier, Kraftwerk, Kano, Feuer, Daft Punk etc.


Date: Fri, February 08, 2013, 11:34:29 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, The Blue Lounge > Balkan > Home

A lot of different music to our ears on here these days.
Beauty Room is hard not to like, and has tons of undisputable qualities that should appeal to many a Danfan I think. After a couple of listens to The Beauty Room & TBR II, I have yet to completely fall in love with them ... A bit too nice, almost? Not all songs on their albums are really strong enough imo, and they obviously like synthetic strings and fluffy synth pads better than I do ... but I guess I will try them on a few times again in the near future to see if it grows.
Chin Chin was fun and seems like a brilliant choice for e.g. a Chillout Lounge playlist. I like all the good clichés and stylistic nods to various (dance) music of the past. Playful and groovy and clever as hell with not many limits genre wise. Listening as I write, I like it better and better, actually. Into the sleazy vocoder disco hybrid groove of Dontchusee right now.
Not half as sleazy as Ingram of course, but then again not much is.
I have a confession to make. Back in the mid '70s when I was a teenager and just recently got into the Dan, I swear I would've dissed Ingram ruthlessly. Maybe I even did, actually. Now, 35 years later, and with all the retro romanticism going on for two decades, I find it soothing and of a certain pleasure to listen to the original sleazy disco of the '70s once in a while. So, I'm probably getting old and soft, yet grumpy of course, after all. Thank God. For a while I thought I was never going to grow up. ;o)

And now for something completely different.
Since 1991 Norwegian band Farmers Market has been making, playing and recording some of the most challenging and strange music I know. The members are all well educated jazz musicians, but the music is a hybrid of Bulgarian traditional folk music and western jazz, pop and rock of various kinds. Mostly instrumental, but with some hilarious vocal outbreaks inbetween. Bulgarian folk music is characterized by what to an untrained, western ear sounds like extremely complicated time signatures, micro tonality and virtuous playing. Which it is, and so even the obviously talented and skillful bandmembers of Farmers Market admittedly had a hard time getting into it for a long time before it started to feel natural.
Their concerts are marked by breathtaking soloing and brilliant interplay, sick musical humor and general partytime.

I don't expect people to fall for this immediately, and for a majority I'd guess possibly never. It's just to far from everything most people have ever heard, and it usually takes some time to learn to eventually appreciate it. It is really, like their leader Stian calls it, "endangered time signatures"! 11/16 and worse.
Musically also related to Frank Z and his predecessor Spike Jones.

Here's an example where they play a medley with guest star Michael Brecker at Northsea Jazz Festival in Rotterdam, Netherlands/-world in 2004. Brecker don't seem to have much problem at all playing along with this weird music, which only shows what a versatile and great player he was. Miss him.
But folk, give this at least one chance, and if you have problems taking it in, try to forwind to 05:30 and enjoy the guitar and vocal part from Nils Olav, the brilliant streching out from Michael and Trifon (saxes), the growling Hammond B3 sound from Stians MIDI accordion and above all the insane groove by Jarle (drums) and Finn (bass)! If this doesn't make you jump for the dance floor - and promptly break both your legs - nothing will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uJbzh7QS8g


Date: Fri, February 08, 2013, 09:19:16 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Philippe of Pau

As for Chin Chin, I like it. But when you need a new idea, read an old book....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnT8jWsLmWk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSpcGpUGp-w


Date: Fri, February 08, 2013, 08:14:26 ET
Posted by: Phil again, pareil

Chin Chin :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUHuxyfze0
and that one also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHj0k0Krvw0


Date: Fri, February 08, 2013, 04:08:46 ET
Posted by: Phil, Pau

Hi Nicolas,
if I remember well, I'm the one who mentionned The Beauty Room years ago when they released their first cd. We had a great magazine in France called "Muziq" made by a bunch of passionate guys, the chief editor being Frédéric Goaty, now chief editor of Jazzmagazine. The guy is a Steely Dan freak, he has interviewed both Donald and Walter.He's the one who turned me on Snarky Puppy before I mentionned them on the Blue. I remember a couple of years ago he told me the next big thing would be "Chin Chin", listen to their song Appetite . The guys didn't make it sadly, I'll see what they are doing now when I find the time.
Have a nice day
Philippe


Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 23:11:06 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

The Dean posted a song from the Swedish artist "Miss Li" called "Bourgeois Shangri-la",

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LshLnHpyxII

Which generated this Strainer:


"The novelty song in the link posted by The Dean is highly derivative of another song. Name the title and artist."

The best answer is this song, from Gary Lewis about 1965 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkeSdLaGG1o

The Dean answered with Lenny Kravitz "Fly Away", maybe late 1980's


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvuL5jyCHOw&list=AL94UKMTqg-9AmFOGfOFfMACSyakjIF7TS


Something interesting happened here, which might have several explanations of how BOTH answers are correct.

1. Miss Li did a "mash up" of these two tunes, and upped the tempo on the Kravitz tune, which appears to be the base, and punctuated the verses with the Gary Lewis riff.

2. Kravitz in the late 1980's might have SLOWED the tempo of the Gary Lewis tune to derive the basis for "Fly Away".

3. Miss Li is VERY crafty, has an astute knowledge of such things as "Brill Building pop, and as such, uses many pop elements in her music. She might have even gone as far to "expose" Kravitz's possible derivation from Gary Lewis' tune twenty years hence.

4. None of the above.

What is key here, and for the last two Strainers is that musical influences form a complex web that today is very global in reach and can span decades of time when compared to the 1960's when most rock music interchange was between the US and UK. Nowadays a girl from a remote outpost in Sweden can craft Brill building pop. And one cannot rule out DF not being influenced by a young rapper from Long Island NY, Erik Francis Shrody. Also known as Everlast..........


Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 23:06:44 ET
Posted by: TheNightfly93, South Jersey Grid of Desire

Hello all,

My name is Nate MacAdams. For those of you who don't know me via facebook, I am the biggest 19 year-old SD/FAGEN/WB fan in this hemisphere. I was curious as to what info or rumors are floating around currently about a SD/DF tour in 2013. The last thing I heard was from a DF interview in late November... Please fill me in on any "insider" information. Anything helps. I'm just so excited to see my favorite artist this year. I am the craziest younger generation fan, and I'm optimistic about what the future holds.

Your loyal Danfiend,

Nathan J. MacAdams, the 21st century nightfly.


Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 22:14:54 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

The most recent Strainer was:

"Tonite's Strainer is an audio type, which does not appear very often, and deals with a tune that exists within the solo studio Fagen discography. You may or may not have to give this tune a listen in order to determine the tune within solo studio Fagen "What It's Like".....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwoNQvSOxM8

Difficulty level is prolly a 5.5 out of 10."

THUS FAR:

The mere mention of the tune "What It's Like" has produced a highly unintended chain of events, to say the least, ranging from personal insults to utter vile contempt for the tune itself. There is always a risk going outside of the Realm of the Dan, as I am not so wild about that tune myself. The true intent was to compare that tune to a tune contained within the four Fagen solo albums. So we need to reformulate and add a few hints.

HINTS: Focus in on the "What It's Like" VERSES. They are in a lower key than the Fagen tune, but are sung with about the same syncopation and tempo. The" wah-wah" background guitar solos on What It's Like are also similar to, but are more prominent on the Fagen tune."

EPILOGUE:

Irrespective of one's being enamored or disdainful for the Everlast tune "What It's like" it sold millions worldwide, and most anyone exposed to FM radio would be aware of it.

As stated, two things are very unique about it is the rhythmic way the verses are sung, along with the use of wah-wah guitar solos. Combine these elements with the song's tempo, with a higher change in pitch on vocals for DF's voice and you have a fairly good match with Slinky Thing which was the tune in question. What It's Like was, in fact, the tune that came to mind when I first heard Slinky.







Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 21:43:55 ET
Posted by: Hector E.,

Well I can tell you right now, I am not going if it is Fagen and the Dukes! No way Jose'!! Fagen is plotting to do a Dukes summer tour to make money and then off to Europe with SD in the autumn. There is not enough time in the year to do the entire US. If they do, it might be only Beacon shows and larger east coast cities to make money. Europe tour is easier and less work because those people will go for the Greatest Hits and not demand rarities or album sides like in the US.


Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 21:42:51 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Nicholas, I cannot take credit for introducing The Beauty Room to The Blue. I found out about them from Lutz a week or two ago. And I believe someone else mentioned them here quite a while back.

But you are right, I have found a lot of good NEW music from posters here on The Blue. The criticism we often hear, that us old folks can't open themselves up to new music, is simply false. I can only speak for myself (but I imagine it is true for many others here) new, old, whatever, I am open to good music. Just because something is new, trendy or popular is irrelevant--it means NOTHING to me. Now I'm not suggesting music I like is good, and music I don't like is bad (well actually I do suggest that all the time, to my friends)--but that is too simplistic. There is plenty of great music that doesn't speak to me. But for the most part, the music I like is of very high quality--or at least I like to think so.


Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 21:34:14 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

My hairdresser's saying SD will tour mid-July through October.


Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 20:52:05 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

My The Beauty Room II CD arrived today. A hearty thanks to whoever it was that mentioned it here - was it The Dean? It's really nice.

Yeah, it's all about SD, but without the Blue, just in the last few months, I never would have heard, or heard of, Snarky Puppy, The 1957 Tail-Fin Fiasco, and The Beauty Room. Cool.


Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 20:30:06 ET
Posted by: hoops, thanks dean, doc

The tour dates started appearing around the first and second weeks of March last year. Thats's when the venues with subscriber series tickets first started appearing (i.e. Chastain, Tanglewood, Ravinia). Those venues announce the dates in the context of "Subscribers" buying a package of three to five concerts as a "series."

Keep in mind that in most cases these days, the artists (in our case, that means Steely Dan or Dukes or...?) are prohibited from announcing the shows until the venue or some related sponsor has a chance to do so first.

And of course, the wild card is this: although Donald has said in interviews last fall that he was considering touring as part of Steely Dan or as the Dukes (People, Billboard, I think) he didn't say whether they'd tour in North America or the USA. I think it was in 2007 where they had an abbreviated US tour before heading to Europe, etc.

Best,

Jim


Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 18:18:31 ET
Posted by: Lutz , SF

Jim Taylor,
in 2009 it was not before April I believe.
Hopefully soon...


Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 17:51:31 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello, Baton Rouge

Can anyone tell me historically what time of year SD has announced a summer/Fall tour? I am beginning to feel like they may have decided to record, instead, which is fine, but I need to start making some decisions. <Snicker> like they should schedule their plans around my yearly financial decisions. Any info would be a great help.


Date: Thurs, February 07, 2013, 12:19:00 ET
Posted by: Jazzasin, raving

Dear Kirk,

But of course! Personal musical taste can't really be discussed, it just IS, and it changes over time. There's almost always exceptions from the general rule as well, like what's often called "guilty pleasures".
When I 'm dissing songs or artists I don't like, I tend to be very loud and to exaggerate things a whole lot, just like when I'm enthusiastic about something. ;o)
I hope you can believe me when I say there's no need to feel insulted.
I really don't judge people by musical taste, and people's taste is often varied and partly overlapping my own. Which is also varied and changing over time. No one should have to defend their taste, and no one should let others tell them what to like or not. I don't anyway, and neither should you.
I have some good friends with whom I share very little musical taste, and I have told them repeatedly that their taste mostly sucks, but they don't seem to listen. Just like they never let me forget how much some of my favorites sucks, Steely Dan included! But we're good friends nevertheless, and those things have its time and its place. Life's so much more.
I used the opportunity to stretch out beyond all reason towards Everlast and his song, I really don't dig it, but that's my problem, not yours. Some of his things has sold shitloads, so it's me that's out of sync I suppose. If you like it, you are not alone! And feel free to not like everything I like, and tell me it sucks if you think it does.
I usually don't make many assumptions about people I only know from internet discussions based on their musical turn-ons & -offs, even if they surprise me by liking things I can't stand or understand, so there's no degrading or "not measuring up" going on, really. It's not my mandate in this world to judge other people whatsoever.
Don't take this too serious, please. It was all meant a little humorous and also, it was adressed much to Brain Strainer, since he and I have had a little friendly disagreement in the past over some critical details in the construction of SD related quizes and the general relevance of said. And actually, I never thought Brains was a big fan of Everlast either, but used the song exclusively for quiz purposes. He confirms this in his post. So, I was not after anyones taste. But please, never mind.
The only one left who, with some reason, should eventually feel insulted is Mr.Everlast himself, but he's sold enough records to be able to give a shit about what I think, to say the least.

I must admit though, that I was surprised to find several fans of him here at the Blue. Then again, that's my prejudices.

But as for the very concept of liking or disliking this or that: You will sometimes find yourself completely unable to understand other peoples taste. You can and must respect it, but cannot understand. One thing may be close to a fact to me, as is the exact opposite to another person. A fundamental difference in perception of the same piece of music, plus having music as a main and important part of your life, can cause temperamental (or plain mental) outbreaks from me and many others, as can the love for certain other phenomenons at the other end of the scale.
Take my raving for what it is; a good indicator of what I like and what I don't like. As if anyone cared.

Re: Miss Li
Brains, I'm afraid I can't be of much help. She has a certain standing on the alternative scene in Scandinavia, but is not all that big amongst the masses, really. And if she had been, the statiscs says I would probably have known even less about her. Not my cup of tea, but the videos are amusing.


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Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 23:53:33 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba,

Cobalt,

I'd forgotten about that video! Wow, yeah... Dias's outfit is very slimming.


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 23:34:19 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Like someone said a few posts back, if we are all into the Dan, we might have similar tastes for other artists, Mad props go out to The Dean for turning us onto "Miss Li". Rock on OUT!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVzhSmwPz4


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 23:31:05 ET
Posted by: Cobalt Cigarette, New York

Now there's a good nightcap.


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 23:28:35 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Can't say I am "big into" Miss Li, Brain. Bumped into a few of her tunes on youtube a while back and though she was "interesting" in a way. I like her voice--but maybe because of that distinctive voice a lot of her stuff tends to sound the same. Trite tunes, really--but very good instrumentation and arrangements. She is fresh and genuine, which is a big step above most of the pop stuff we get here in the states. And while i despise music videos for the most part, hers are indeed fun. And, based on some what I have heard on youtube, she sounds good live, too.

So not really my cup-o-tea, but in limited doses, I can enjoy her a bit. I'm not racing out to buy her albums, though. I have introduced her to friends I knew would love her, and they are buying her music.

A Swedish Cyndi Lauper, maybe?


Here's a nightcap of something completely different, but far more Dangential. At least I think it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_tboWSbgGw


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 22:29:26 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@The Dean

Where did you find out about this "Miss Li"? Are you big into her? Don't see how they have been keeping her covered up for this long. Prolly because she is Swedish and somewhat isolated. Jazzassin might know more about her. She has got to be big in Scandinavia.

I have been Lookin' (girl is smokin'!), Listenin' and LIKIN'....maybe even better than Steely Dan ITSELF!


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 22:26:45 ET
Posted by: Cobalt Cigarette, New York

I hear ya, Kuleebaba. My personal favorite is the getup Dias is wearing in the video of them doing "My Old School" on what I think is American Bandstand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgWWliZHjtI


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 21:28:52 ET
Posted by: kuleebaba, West of Hollywood... and then north and east

Cobalt,

I'd agree with you that Becker was a good-looking guy.

Still, there were some rough-looking members when the original live touring was happening. I won't name any names, but take a look at the "Reeling in the Years" video and see if you agree:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKOq7-mNeaE


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 19:09:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Still Drinkin'

Since this isn't an "official" Strainer, I guess i can play along. I'm thinking "Fly Away" by Lenny Kravtiz.

ef="mailto:skljk346">Brain Strainer,

The novelty song in the link posted by The Dean is highly derivative of another song. Name the title and artist.

Not sure if even The Dean his-self can get this one.


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 18:42:21 ET
Posted by: Cobalt Cigarette, New York

One of the younger folks here. Just got into Steely Dan. I went nosing around through the crate of records my uncle had as a teenager and when I pulled out the Greatest Hits compilation from '78, you would've thought I'd found gold.

Also, I don't get them being called the ugliest band ever. Becker was a babe back in the 70s.


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 18:17:59 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

While it is true this place is lousy with testosterone, there are several very fine female posters on The Blue. I guess it isn't surprising one might forget, as they tend to only post, on topic, when they have something to say. They are far less likely to get into pissing contests or post random bullshit.

Welcome to the wonderful world of posting Shangi-La. Here is some random bullshit in your honor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LshLnHpyxII

Not Dangential in any way. Not to my usual musical taste. But there is something very likable about this song--and appropriate at the moment, perhaps.


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 17:37:53 ET
Posted by: Shangri-La, Direct from Lhasa

Hey, Phil -

I know of at least one female personage who is both an alarmingly infrequent poster and a prolific, diurnal lurker on the Blue. She is me. Addressing the fine folks 'round these parts as "guys and girls" is entirely appropriate.

Shalom a usted.


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 13:23:24 ET
Posted by: Phil, Pau

Hello guys,
I was going to write "guys and girls" but those days we have a male board right ?
Anyway, I've had the Beauty room 2nd opus for a few months now and it's indeed a very fine album, it took them years to record it but it was worth the wait, a bit more guitars than on the first one, Deodato has been replaced by Paul Buckmaster, get the two if you don't have them already.
It's good to see that there is always someone on duty in the "Steely Dan warning brigade" when something sweet and Dan related is released somewhere in the world, this for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj7J4x1Qv1A
There is a line in the last Mojo magazine saying that song has some Dan flavor, I suppose I see what they mean.
Talking about Snarky Puppy, there should be some fresh news from France soon as Frédéric Goaty, the chief editor of Jazzmagazine is a big fan and the guys are coming back soon to play in Paris. New cd, interview, I'll let you know about that.
Bonne soirée à tout le monde
Philippe


Date: Wed, February 06, 2013, 03:16:48 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Watched the great Album Show on BBC TV last night and turned off in disgust at the end ! Always believed Danny Baker's favourite band were Steely Dan from everything he has said over the years. A few years ago he proclaimed Countdown To Ecstasy as the greatest rock album of all time. Wel, by last night he had changed his mind and suddenly it was Todd Rundgren's 'A Wizard...' a fine album but not even Todd's best. He also proceeded to rave about Joni Mitchell, Led Zep and one or two others, but absolutely no mention of the great ones !Danny, you are a charlatan and should be ashamed of yourself. That's the last time I sing your praises !!


Date: Tues, February 05, 2013, 19:53:01 ET
Posted by: Kirk , NorCal

Dear Jazzassin,
Normally I stay out of these playground pissing contests, but this time I just can't stay quiet. Each person's taste for music is different, yours, mine, mr. anonymous', etc., etc. I respect that you personally don't like Everlast or the song "What It's Like"--after all, musical preferences are based on subjective factors, and, hence, each individual's will be unique. I do like Everlast, and "What's It's Like" is one of my favorites of his songs . . . and I'm rushing toward 70 with 50 a distant speck in the rearview mirror.

What bothers me is the implication that those of us who do not share your musical taste somehow fail to measure up to your standards. Since it's impossible for any of us to completely share the same taste in music, that suggests that none of us measure up.

It must be assumed that those of us who frequent this site are likely to be Steely Dan, Donald Fagen and Walter Becker fans. So apparently we do share some similarities in musical taste. The fact that our tastes aren't identical is what makes us interesting and different. But isn't it possible to disagree with someone's musical likes and dislikes without all the pontification?

OK, I'm leaving the playground. Piss away.


Date: Tues, February 05, 2013, 17:55:38 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

The most recent Strainer was:

"Tonite's Strainer is an audio type, which does not appear very often, and deals with a tune that exists within the solo studio Fagen discography. You may or may not have to give this tune a listen in order to determine the tune within solo studio Fagen "What It's Like".....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwoNQvSOxM8

Difficulty level is prolly a 5.5 out of 10."

THUS FAR:

The mere mention of the tune "What It's Like" has produced a highly unintended chain of events, to say the least, ranging from personal insults to utter vile contempt for the tune itself. There is always a risk going outside of the Realm of the Dan, as I am not so wild about that tune myself. The true intent was to compare that tune to a tune contained within the four Fagen solo albums. So we need to reformulate and add a few hints.

HINTS: Focus in on the "What It's Like" VERSES. They are in a lower key than the Fagen tune, but are sung with about the same syncopation and tempo. The" wah-wah" background guitar solos on What It's Like are also similar to, but are more prominent on the Fagen tune.







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Date: Tues, February 05, 2013, 17:30:24 ET
Posted by: ,

Fair enough. I was just surprised everyone on this board has such a negative reaction to the song that seems to go beyond mere dislike, and was trying to figure out why. I guess my taste just sucks. :D


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Date: Tues, February 05, 2013, 14:39:20 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Young Stuff

Hey, anonymous poster that thinks this is about age and not music:

It's not the case, and that argument is so worn, you know. Standard charge when someone over 30 don't like crappy music that also happens to be new.
If it's of any comfort, I can assure you they made just as much crappy music when I was a kid and long before that, as well.

I'm more or less middle aged (rushing towards fifty), and I love to get enthusiastic about new music. My latest "young love" is three albums by Texas-based Snarky Puppy. They're absolutely brilliant, and make some of the best music I've heard, ever.
I heard about them from fellow Danfans.
But you know, they're excellent musicians, they have energy, the songs are playful, complex and genre breaking. They lean heavily on the best jazzrock/fusion/progrock traditions and at the same time they include touches of elements, especially in the percussive dept, like some almost-hiphop beats/ breakbeats that gives the project away as something that is a child of it's own time. Add to that the use of e.g. slide guitar, which is not much heard in any of the genres mentioned, and you have a modern superband. Their Hammond B3 virtuoso is a chapter of his own, and the bassist/composer/bandleader is really a force of nature.

This Everlast guy uses sampled or very processed acoustic guitar, which I don't like, and a just as repetetive and very unoriginal drum beat that grinds my brain to slush, he "sings" in a monotonuos way that makes me think he's going to fall asleep anytime, the whole thing sounds machine-like and sequenced, and in fact dead as a stone to my ears. Take some vitamins, man!
It's theoretically possible that the lyrics expresses a depression to go along fine with the depressive music. I don't know. He lost me before I could get enough of it to make up my mind about that part. If so, I'd recommend him to find a musical form to carry the message that isn't 100% generic hip-POP. A little personal touch never hurts when people try to express genuine emotions. On top of that, he actually sounds fairly pretentious and like he tries just a little too hard to appear cool, which is not cool.

The absolute opposite of the playful and unpretentious, yet highly perfectionistic energy bomb that is Snarky Puppy. Which is just one of many, many examples of new music enjoyed by grumpy old teenagers in their late forties.


Date: Tues, February 05, 2013, 12:28:20 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

I'm quarter aged; I like a ton of new music and can appreciate a good pop song for what it is. That song just sucks.


Date: Tues, February 05, 2013, 11:49:26 ET
Posted by: ,

I like that song. What is it that's so horrible about it, or is it just that some people are physiologically unable to not hate music issued after they have attained middle age?


Date: Tues, February 05, 2013, 08:11:45 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Brainstrainer, you are the worst ever. I had forgotten about that song; now I remember it.


Date: Tues, February 05, 2013, 06:33:42 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Everstained

Hey Strainer,

I'll half-heartedly agree with our mutual Friend of the Blue on the general disappointment and subsequent creeping malaise your latest query (in the form of an off-the-wall audio clip) conjures for the listener...good God, man.

That being said, what we've got here is a minor chord progression and melody line that's modulated around the first of said chord triad, complete with a hip/hop beat--though some of the background evokes "What I Do" from the excellent MORPH THE CAT, my closest guess is that, musically at least, nothing in Don's solo canon is more similar (and it's a far fucking cry mind you) than "Brite Nightgown," to be found directly following the aforementioned ode to Mr. Charles on same said very fine album.

Please send all prizes and further accolades to my Blue Hideout in the wilds of north/central Texas, USA--where I am healing this Brain Strainer's apparent sonic damage with repeated spins of the Doobies' "I Cheat the Hangman"--which is what Everlast was probably going for, one can hope. Best wishes, pard.


Okay,
Bobbo


Date: Tues, February 05, 2013, 06:28:52 ET
Posted by: bobbo, Everstained

Hey Strainer,

I'll half-heartedly agree with our mutual Friend of the Blue on the general disappointment and subsequent creeping malaise your latest query (in the form of an off-the-wall audio clip) conjures for the listener...good God, man.

That being said, what we've got here is a minor chord progression and melody line that's modulated around the first of said chord triad, complete with a hip/hop beat--though some of the background evokes "What I Do" from the excellent MORPH THE CAT, my closest guess is that, musically at least, nothing in Don's solo canon is more similar (and it's a far fucking cry mind you) than "Brite Nightgown," to be found directly following the aforementioned ode to Mr. Charles on same said very fine album.

Please send all prizes and further accolades to my Blue Hideout in the wilds of north/central Texas, USA--where I am healing this Brain Strainer's apparent sonic damage with repeated spins of the Doobies' "I Cheat the Hangman"--which is what Everlast was probably going for, one can hope. Best wishes, pard.


Okay,
Bobbo


Date: Tues, February 05, 2013, 01:25:17 ET
Posted by: My Guess, USA

Shanghai Confidential


Date: Mon, February 04, 2013, 16:54:57 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, ouch, that hurt.

Brain Strainer, that was a bad thing to do.
I know should've known better than to check out a Youtube video with someone named "Everlast", but of course stupid had to go there.
So, how do you expect anyone to do the strainer when the audio clip that goes along with the question is useful for one thing and one thing only, and that's to make ears rot and heads implode from an otherwise psychologically interesting combination of fear and embarrassment?
I can't listen to such sonic pollution long enough to recognize anything familiar at all, except what must be the sediment of the baddest ShitFM Radio of the last 25 years.
Lots of dark, dark things mashed up and extracted into one hyper dark singularity, with which everything is wrong. This is probably what they mean by "the devil is in the details". If you're the finicky type you might add that "What It's Like" by Everlast proves the old goat is undoubtly present in the whole as well, and I wouldn' argue at all, but whether the exact characteristics of evil is of this or that nature, it certainly won't change the fact that I for one am totally unable to listen. Too bad.
And btw, what's wrong with today's brats? Even my kids - and they're Norwegians like myself - knows it's spelled "Evvalast". Holy crap.

TO Danfan,
After hearing "Neverlast" ... everything, even DRAman's "Fire Again", sounds like aural honey dripping from unmentionable body parts of angels.

Disclaimer:
All of the above is, of course, just brief impressions of reality inaccurately mediated by yours truly.
It's not to be mistaken for the final truth - however much I'll be willing to swear it IS, over a cold beverage and a smoke a bit later on (probably won't be long, either).
It's only what is known as "My Humble Opinion", allthough I realize not everyone will agree it's really that humble after all, but you can't have it all everytime, can you? It IS an opinion anyway, and the only one I have to offer in this case. Humble is next week, maybe.


Date: Mon, February 04, 2013, 15:07:33 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



nm, wrong Richard...at the end of the Plantagenets, not the beginning...gotta brush up on my Shakespeare


Date: Mon, February 04, 2013, 14:30:05 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, farandwide


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Date: Mon, February 04, 2013, 13:06:33 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, Steely dubstep?

From John Sakamoto's Anti-hit List - An Alternative Top 10, in Saturdays Toronto Star, here is number 7. Chase Status vs Steely Dan "Fire Again"

John says "the wobble-heavy result will likely appeal more to acolytes of the former - or one of their clients (Rihanna, Cee Lo, Dizee Rascal) - than the latter, though if there's one band whose fans should be accustomed to perverse pairings, it's Steely Dan"

Not really my cup of tea but kind of interesting. One of the weirdest Dan mashups I've heard. How about you? Here's the link

http://www.mashupciti.com/mashup-music/fire-again/

Cheers


Date: Mon, February 04, 2013, 13:05:06 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Tonite's Strainer is an audio type, which does not appear very often, and deals with a tune that exists within the solo studio Fagen discography. You may or may not have to give this tune a listen in order to determine the tune within solo studio Fagen "What It's Like".....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwoNQvSOxM8

Difficulty level is prolly a 5.5 out of 10.


Date: Sun, February 03, 2013, 14:26:47 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Living hard will take its toll

Corrections:

"didn't wasn't"? 86 the "didn't"


Date: Sun, February 03, 2013, 14:25:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

pixeleen, a good sign, I think. Good thing the nurse wasn't named "Pixeleen". Nobody wants to be treated by someone under 10 years old.

As for Lucky Henry I can certainly understand where S. Victor is coming from. I admit I didn't wasn't the biggest fan or 11-TOW when it was first released. I really didn't give it enough of a chance, and Lucky Henry was one of the songs I didn't warm up to at that time. But I have come back to the album, enjoying it much more now, and Lucky Henry is one of the reasons for that, too.


Date: Sun, February 03, 2013, 13:09:18 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,

Unfortunately, had to have some surgery last week and my pre-op nurse's name was........AJA.......

Yes....her parents' are huge SD fans.

Must have been good karma of some kind.


Date: Sun, February 03, 2013, 12:25:48 ET
Posted by: vic,

DF just should have brought in Denny Diaz to play the solo on Planet D'Rhonda. I mean after all, Kurt Rosenwinkel sounds like the poor mans Denny Diaz.... Or "Denny Diaz light" if you may.


Date: Sun, February 03, 2013, 12:09:59 ET
Posted by: southeast of holllywood, same as above

http://somethingelsereviews.com/2013/02/03/steely-dan-sunday-lucky-henry-1994/


uneven?




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Date: Sun, February 03, 2013, 03:43:50 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

Dean,

I agree with you, for us it's hard to find great new music outside of SD and jazz these days. Last great one I remember was Stevie Wonder - about 5 years ago? Perhaps longer. Ignorant, I know.

Jazzwise, Kurt Rosenwinkel's new 2cd set is fantastic and
Planet d'Rhonda has become my favorite tune on SC, also sounds the best, imo.
He starts his US tour here in SF/Santa Cruz in 2 weeks!

Beauty Room II is a treat. I am a little shocked how good it is.
These guys have a vision, it deserves to be bought as a hard copy and played loudly as the sound is much better than on the PM3 download.
Orchestra often times gets in the way or is overbearing in these kind of projects but not here. And look who did the arrangements.
Vocals too, the Brazilian guy is for real.
Don't worry, it will draw you in.
Listening to # 7 intro I had to think of Green Room and what if D&W went there and took it to the next level.

Yes, it would have been nice if Jon Herington did the guitar solos.

Here is a little more info and it's no surprise who they credit....
http://mb.mercedes-benz.com/en/article/3816/The+Beauty+Room


Date: Sat, February 02, 2013, 18:22:34 ET
Posted by: Pete, NYC

The correct date for that Metheny/Fagen show was Dec 1991. It was not 1993


Date: Sat, February 02, 2013, 16:19:51 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, seagull hunting

Thanks fagenism.
Nice find. Despite both Fagen and Metheny being amongst my definate musical heroes, I don't think the experiment turned out that fantastic after all, but it was cool to be able to hear it anyway!

Sign In Stranger with Fagen/Metheny has been out there for a while, but this clip was new to me.

Also, Black Friday is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ieZpduy9k


Date: Sat, February 02, 2013, 15:51:49 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

Pat Metheny joins Don on FM anno 1993, playing his controversial seagull synth guitar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZGrRowGKc

PS. In spite of what you hear, no actual seagulls were killed on stage. DS.


Date: Sat, February 02, 2013, 12:01:39 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, on the quick

Many thanks, Bikeman17.

Also: Thanks to Dean for recent assistance.

Jim


Date: Sat, February 02, 2013, 09:19:10 ET
Posted by: Paul,

Just a reminder that SD alum, Cynthia Calhoun (2000 & 2003) will be performing tonight with Roxboro Entertainment recording artist Sunnie Paxson at Vitello's in Studio City CA. They'll be joined for an evening of jazz by Dan Lutz (paul brown, peter white, sheila e, andy summers, larry carlton,...) on bass and Jimmy Paxson (stanley clarke, stevie nicks, rod stewart, steve vai,...)on drums.

Feel free to check out Cynthia's FB page and/or website.


Date: Sat, February 02, 2013, 07:21:24 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

OH Pete [from Aspen],,Ya gotta know this is a big no no here!


Date: Fri, February 01, 2013, 19:40:20 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Lutz,

Thanks for the Beauty Room tip. I've just finished listening to The Beauty Room II and it is very interesting. I can't say I love it just yet, but I find it interesting enough to listen to again soon. Beautiful harmonies, that's for sure. Nice take on Traffic's Heaven is in Your Mind--not as thrilling as the Traffic original, IMO, but quite nice. Everyone seems to be raving about Walking the Fine Line, and for good reason I think.

It's rare I listen to something brand new these days that piques my interest, so this has already broken through the toughest barrier for me. I will listen another time or two, and if things go as I expect, i will purchase it.

For those who are interested, you can hear the album on grooveshark or buy it here:

Download (great deal):

http://www.amazon.com/The-Beauty-Room-II/dp/B008Z7J3OY

CD (a bit overpriced, IMO):

http://www.amazon.com/Beauty-Room-II/dp/B008RTJOO4/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1359765516&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Beauty+Room+II


Date: Fri, February 01, 2013, 11:30:07 ET
Posted by: Nate, vermont

John Denver is Skyping concerts? Must be Roger working his magic from beyond. Immortal indeed.


Date: Thurs, January 31, 2013, 22:52:55 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

New Beauty Room cd is out, good stuff.
A few years ago I got turned on to them by this board and SD fans here gave their first cd thumbs up.
2013 Tour should be SD.


Date: Thurs, January 31, 2013, 22:48:56 ET
Posted by: pepe, this just in

the Guaraldi tune is Billie's Bounce by Charlie Parker


Date: Thurs, January 31, 2013, 21:40:09 ET
Posted by: As far as Walt, ...

Toni, Walt's website states he has only one site on MySpace. All others are not his: http://walterbecker.com/socialnetspop.html


Date: Thurs, January 31, 2013, 17:59:16 ET
Posted by: toni,

Does anyone know if Steely Dan, Donald Fagen or Walter Backer have a real Facebook profile or if all of them are just made by fans?


Date: Thurs, January 31, 2013, 06:54:00 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, skating

pepe,

I'm a big fan of Guaraldi, but can't help identify the songcloud live track. Made me curious, though. I will try to investigate a little.
Thanks for the link anyway. Good stuff!


Date: Wed, January 30, 2013, 21:21:01 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

Whatever the summer holds, I just hope to party with Don and Walt and the best band and fans ever as long as possible. 2Pac became a hologram, John Denver's band plays with him on a screen, and here's Steely's "B Team" showing they have a ways to go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcdHbeosRA


A new doc shows some love for back-up singers such as Patti Austin:

http://www.scpr.org/programs/offramp/2013/01/23/30205/20-feet-from-stardom-first-film-to-sell-at-sundanc/




Date: Wed, January 30, 2013, 20:47:06 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

While I'd prefer a real SD tour, or a solo tour by Walter or Don, I have to say The Dukes show was the most fun I have had at a concert in years. IMO a TRUE fan of Don or Walt wants to hear whatever it is they want to play. And, as far as a money grab: is concerned, I'm virtually positive a SD tour makes Don far more money than a Dukes tour.


Date: Wed, January 30, 2013, 20:30:51 ET
Posted by: pepe,

Donald clearly enjoys the hell out of the Dukes experience. they're not my first choice, but it has been fun to see what obscure tunes they dig up each tour. and to see Donald smiling.

the ship has sailed on a DF solo tour i'm afraid. it would be nice to hear a few tunes from Sunken Condos either with Steely Dan or The Dukes, but that probably won't happen either. even when Donald toured behind Morph, he didn't really feature much of it in his shows.

it will be interesting to see what kind of special setlist shows we get in 2013 with SD... if any. here's hoping for a Rarities Night 2!


one other thing... any Vince Guaraldi fans in the house? yes the guy behind the Peanuts soundtrack, the legendary jazz pianist. I've always loved his work but only recently decided to collect his entire discography. can anyone name this tune? https://soundcloud.com/bossaroo/vince-guaraldi-live


Date: Wed, January 30, 2013, 19:37:15 ET
Posted by: ted, Seattle

Agreed Paul! The Dukes are boring as shit! A DF solo tour would be the bomb!


Date: Wed, January 30, 2013, 17:34:02 ET
Posted by: Paul G., No more Dukes!!!

Down with the Dukes! No true fan wants any more of that. I am tired of it. It is just a money maker for Donald, which is OK for him. It is just me and many others I know are not buying it. What we want and deserve in this order

Donald tours alone to play Sunken Condos and to see new songs played live. The problem is it won't draw enough people to make enough money.
Next would be a new Steely Dan album and supporting tour which would draw enough fans to make money. The problem is that this would require Walter who has probably retired to Hawaii for good. He is about 65 and can your blame him? A Dan album probably could be done by Donald doing most of the work and Walter working on tracks remotely from Hawaii. He could come to the mainland for the final mix. Donald used up most of his good material to make Sunken Condos after Walter turned him down for use as a Steely Dan album. It will take a long time to come up with more songs.

I think Walter is done. I don't think he wants to travel or make any more Dan albums he has made enough money off of it. He was already showing signs of wear and tear last time out. We are probably going to be stuck with maybe one or two more Donald albums and the only public appearances of Donald will be with Dukes which we are SICK of or up at Woodstock. Everything must go.


Date: Tues, January 29, 2013, 22:59:01 ET
Posted by: vic,

Probably be a Dukes Of September tour


Date: Tues, January 29, 2013, 22:08:31 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Uh, you may quite immodestly think you are usually right (don't we all?) but I think you may be a bit confused about what Jazz and Chris are taking about. Nobody in this discussion (except perhaps for PurplePig in his response) is suggesting there will be a tour because Don has mentioned it in any number of interviews. If that was the point, you'd be spot on.

The discussion (for most of us) centers on the appearance of a cryptic post by Lewis, which simply gives dates. In the past that has been a pretty good indicator of a tour, and the dates tend to be pretty on the money (except for perhaps tour extensions announced later).

I assume it is a Steely Dan tour, and not a solo tour, but who really knows at this point? And I'm with those who would prefer a new album, but I will take a tour any time. And they can play whatever the fuck they want to play as far as I'm concerned. Seeing as how the special nights have been a staple of recent tours, I'd also expect them to continue--and maybe expand on them a bit.

Of course, all of this is simply my opinion and speculation.


Date: Tues, January 29, 2013, 20:16:55 ET
Posted by: UH?,

Chris: So am I


Date: Tues, January 29, 2013, 19:25:06 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Well,once again, I am hoping the person who won the reel to reel tape auction is of a sharing nature. If you are on this forum, please let us hear them.


Date: Tues, January 29, 2013, 18:45:38 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

In Lewis We Trust. Great track record. I for one would love it to
be a solo tour, but I have my doubts. Will take anything I can get.


Date: Tues, January 29, 2013, 15:06:20 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

UH - Lewis is usually correct.


Date: Tues, January 29, 2013, 14:21:23 ET
Posted by: UH?,

Since when has Donald or Walter's word on when they will tour or make a record been taken seriously? They just tell the interviewer what they want to hear at the time of the interview. Anybody that has been following these guys for these many years should know this.


Date: Tues, January 29, 2013, 09:50:20 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Planet D'Tour

Purple Pig,
Thanks for the link. I too have seen various interviews where a possible SD tour in 2013 has been mentioned. A handful of them was linked to here at the Bluebook.
But when Lewis starts to come up with specific dates but no further info it's time to expect confirmed dates and ticket presales any day. This has happened before anyway. ;o)
It might be a SD tour, or a DF Solo tour. Both are possible, and both are most welcome.


Date: Tues, January 29, 2013, 09:26:36 ET
Posted by: snarky?,

This guy is horrible. It might be snarky if what he writes was even close to the mark

If Steely Dan worked to sound like the actual future

WRONG The Dan songs are always at or ahead of their time thematically. It shows how little he gets the Dan.

Rather than Donald Fagen’s nostalgic 1950s Worlds Fair perspective on it, they might sound something like Brooklyn’s Ava Luna

WRONG This a-hole unwittingly thinks that he is referring to the International Geophysical Year (IGY)1958 and into 1959 which really was a series of worldwide technology symposia as opposed to a world technology Fair taking place in a host city. Besides, that IGY futuristic perspective only represents maybe 15 percent of the total Dan, Donald and Walter discography.

Snark can only be effective when you have the real insight on what you are attacking. This guy is clueless about the Dan and world history and as a result it backfired on this dickhead himself.







Date: Mon, January 28, 2013, 21:42:40 ET
Posted by: Purple Pig, Arizona

Hey Jazzassin...Here's a link where Donald mentions that a Steely Dan tour for 2013 will probably occur. It's b1027.com/rock-report-donald-fagen-looking-ahead/


Date: Mon, January 28, 2013, 17:40:49 ET
Posted by: cold porter, @ midtown library

...that's a great interview.....I agree with Donald...it is nice to listen to an album all the way through....but 40 minutes is about right for me ;-D

interesting that he mentioned the song about 'Congress of Vienna' - I believe he mentioned...writing that one in an interview in New Times....circa Jan '77...he also said in that '77 interview that Steely Dan was in the process recording 18 songs! for their next album.....the original idea was for Aja to be a double album....wonder when all the Maxell tapes for these will be on ebay....har dee harr harr


Date: Sun, January 27, 2013, 23:13:10 ET
Posted by: search, k

Haven't seen this interview posted yet.

http://www.americansongwriter.com/2013/01/role-models-donald-fagen/


Date: Sun, January 27, 2013, 21:58:36 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Hmmmm....something a little too snarky here. Chicago Sun-Times wrote last Friday:

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/weekend/17663206-421/the-mix-cool-things-to-do-012513.html

FEELIN’ GROOVE-Y

If Steely Dan worked to sound like the actual future, rather than Donald Fagen’s nostalgic 1950s Worlds Fair perspective on it, they might sound something like Brooklyn’s Ava Luna. A thrilling, lurching, bewildering, surprising frenzy of genre-splicing, this sextet’s club shows are peppered with grooves and glitches. It’s headbanging dubstep, it’s postmodern soul, full of sound and fury. Summer Girlfriends and Celestial Shore open at 9:30 p.m. Jan. 25 at the Empty Bottle, 1035 N. Western. Tickets: $7. Call (773)276-3600; www.emptybottle.com.

===

I'm guessing this is written by the music critic who replaced Jim DeRogatis.


Date: Sun, January 27, 2013, 11:28:33 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, the booth

Lewis, Dean, Ray ... are you guys referring to a DF 2013 late summer tour? Could anyone be so kind as to inform us a little more on the details and/or provide a link to the actual info?


Date: Fri, January 25, 2013, 13:41:36 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

Thanks for the info Lewis!

Looks like a pretty long tour.

Which bodes well for our friends across
the pond and beyond.

Wonder if there will be any "special"
dates?

I sure hope so ;O)


Date: Fri, January 25, 2013, 04:03:50 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972, The Hague

Yeah, I had noticed later as well that it wasn't Shelby after all, thanks for confirming!


Date: Thurs, January 24, 2013, 22:51:52 ET
Posted by: berry, uk

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Date: Thurs, January 24, 2013, 21:08:07 ET
Posted by: no one important,

funkaholic,

i'm a big d'angelo fan as well. however, i must correct you on one thing. shelby j. is not featured in the "lady" live video you posted. she was not in d's backing band at the point. she, along with anthony hamilton, joined later (just prior to the "voodoo" tour).


Date: Thurs, January 24, 2013, 20:52:20 ET
Posted by: Cold Porter, amid the stacks

the mystery continues....

sure wish these rarities were coming out in a real box set

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scotch-Master-reel-to-reel-Tape-STEELY-DAN-for-REVOX-AMPEX-AKAI-TEAC-/251218923278?pt=Music_Other_Formats&hash=item3a7dd08f0e


Date: Thurs, January 24, 2013, 18:00:49 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

Jim: I had my eye on the big outdoor Festivals that announce this time of Year: Beale Street and New Orleans Jazz and Heritage; both venues that SD played in 2007. No joy, unless they are a late add, which the NOJ&HF does sometimes.


Date: Thurs, January 24, 2013, 15:52:39 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Almost Happy Hour!

Lewis

Damn I sure hope so. Consider me ready.


Date: Thurs, January 24, 2013, 12:58:28 ET
Posted by: Lewis, Stuttgart

7/13-10/13


Date: Thurs, January 24, 2013, 05:16:16 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972, The Hague

@Chris:

No I didn't catch D'Angelo in 2012 unfortunately. But I've seen some 2012 performances on Youtube, still very good. But maybe not as good (yet) as the 2000 Voodoo tour.


Date: Wed, January 23, 2013, 23:27:39 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Misheard lyric from Good Stuff;

'It's a relief to get my chinadas.'

Like DF was hungry and waiting in a fast food Tex Mex restaurant.

Not that I really thought he was saying 'my chinadas' (marching orders), but I had to look at the lyrics to figure it out.

C'mon, tell me you don't hear that !


Date: Wed, January 23, 2013, 18:50:55 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Funkaholic - no shit!!! Lucky you!! Were you able to catch the band on his most recent tour? Chris Daddy Dave and Pino ...damn!

Hoping to catch them next time they're on tour here ... missed their Boston 2012 date, sincerely hope it's not the last time D'Angelo is on the stage in the northeast.


Date: Wed, January 23, 2013, 17:12:27 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, really on the quick, as usual

Yes, I better take out the spam!

In the mean time, keep in mind that one of the earliest indicators of concert tours by members of our favorite duo have been those venues that have subscription series that go on sale very early.

In the past, early "concert series" schedules at Tanglewood (western Mass.), Chastain (Atlanta area) and Ravina (Chicagoland/Milwaukee) have been the first to not only let us know dates, but also effectively tell us that there is a tour. This is all based on the premise that some musical act featuring Donald Fagen and/or Walter Becker actually plays one of those venues.

I was reminded by this since Ravina just announced Sting and Jewel are playing dates this year. All three venues show a lot of classical performances at this point, but no other pop.

Anyhow, it's a place to check.

Best,

Jim


Date: Wed, January 23, 2013, 15:20:28 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972, The Hague

Thanks for that link BTW, great to be able to see the gig again!


Date: Wed, January 23, 2013, 14:15:31 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972, The Hague

@Chris:

Dude, I was there at that very gig, standing almost in front!!! It was absolutely amazing, one of the best funk/rnb shows I have ever seen...


Date: Wed, January 23, 2013, 09:42:25 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

I highly recommend checking out this set of videos to see a full live performance with perfect audio .... that's ?uestlove on drums and Pino Palladino on bass. Wish I knew what was up in 2001, the Voodoo tour is the stuff of legend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jcittcy-nw


Date: Wed, January 23, 2013, 09:39:20 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Funkaholic - I love D'Angelo - I think Voodoo is one of the best records of all time, and anxiously await his next one...

Thanks for posting that ... awesome stuff.


Date: Wed, January 23, 2013, 09:31:01 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972, The Hague

Been lurking the past few months, hope you're all well!

Total off topic, but I have just found this amazing performance of "Lady" by D'Angelo and wanted to share here. Anyone into tight, funky soul grooves with heavenly vocals will have to love this!

Angie Stone and Shelby J (now in Prince's band) are amongst the backup singers. Very tasty guitar work too...

Anyone here into this kinda stuff?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9SXZSnJDZU


Date: Wed, January 23, 2013, 05:32:12 ET
Posted by: Duncan, UK

Small snippet here of My Old School from David Lee Roth !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J54Eoh6bxTU&feature=youtu.be


Date: Wed, January 23, 2013, 05:32:01 ET
Posted by: Duncan, UK

Small snippet here of My Old School from David Lee Roth !


Date: Tues, January 22, 2013, 09:46:02 ET
Posted by: JJ, P

That change of spelling would seem fishy to me.


Date: Mon, January 21, 2013, 23:47:34 ET
Posted by: ted,

Greg M - All good. I thought it was funny.

I liked Dennis Chambers myself. Love Tom Barney as well!


Date: Mon, January 21, 2013, 20:32:31 ET
Posted by: Greg M, ssdfasdf

Thought the Wadenius x100 post was Moray back to his old tricks. My bad!


Date: Mon, January 21, 2013, 19:45:41 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Jem.

"Truly, truly, truly Outrageous"


Date: Mon, January 21, 2013, 17:21:43 ET
Posted by: ted,

Greg - Did you ever think that post by "uh?" was pretty much telling moray eel to go f**k himself? That's what I got out of it. Relax is right.


Date: Mon, January 21, 2013, 16:53:33 ET
Posted by: Jem, Jem

Greg -- It's a joke on a free message board. Lighten up.


Date: Mon, January 21, 2013, 16:37:31 ET
Posted by: Greg M, wtf

yeah, that's great comedy.
(idiotic)


Date: Mon, January 21, 2013, 15:50:41 ET
Posted by: UH?,

This is mine"

Drums: Georg Wadenius
Percussion Georg Wadenius
Bass: Georg Wadenius
Guitar 1 Georg Wadenius
Guitar 2 Georg Wadenius
Piano: Georg Wadenius
bck vox: Georg Wadenius
bck vox: bck vox: Georg Wadenius
rhodes, vox Georg Wadenius
Behind the mixing board: Georg Wadenius


Date: Mon, January 21, 2013, 15:40:34 ET
Posted by: Greg M, ..

below being my "all star" band


Date: Mon, January 21, 2013, 15:39:54 ET
Posted by: Greg M, wp

Drums: Jeff Porcaro (sigh)
Percussion (vibes, marimba, shakers etc.): Bill Ware or someone with equivalent skill
Bass: Tom Barney (sorry, love the menace in his playing)
Guitar 1 Herrington (jack of all trades, master of all)
Guitar 2 Krantz
Piano: Ted Baker or Jim Beard

bck vox: Jeff Young
bck vox: M McDonald
bck vox: Catherine Russell

Donald: rhodes, vox
Behind the mixing board: Walter =P


Date: Mon, January 21, 2013, 14:27:36 ET
Posted by: Toni,

I just wondered if you could pick any players to play in the steely dan band who would they be, dead people included? Sort of a Steely Dan ALL STAR Band :)

For guitar i think Jon Herrington is a really good all-rounder so I ll stick with him
For second guitar Larry Carlton would be great, he could swap with Herrington from time to time.
On bass I would love to see Walter Becker
In my opinion Mozart would be cool on Piano and organ if he would ever recover from the musical shock :)
I would definitely pick Cornelius Bumpus on Saxophone and Michael Leonhart on Trumpet.
Than I would take Carlock and Purdie for the two drums. (Would love to hear them both on a 10 minutes long Aja drum solo)
I always considered the backup singers from the 2vN tour the best so I would use them and Michael Mc Donald as well but with a very low volume and as a background singer ONLY.
And of course Donald with his Key-tar :)
Whats your all- star band?


Date: Sun, January 20, 2013, 11:02:10 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

SS- The audience reaction is great after the solo. Washington and Carlock really stand out on that track as well. Hell, the whole band was locked in nicely that night. DF's vocals really strong too.


Date: Sun, January 20, 2013, 03:02:45 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Hey Hutch,

Glad to see someone else knocked out by the Krantz Nightfly solo on the DF tour stop in Toronto. It was 180 away degrees from what Larry Carlton did on the album.


Date: Sat, January 19, 2013, 22:09:39 ET
Posted by: Greg M, wp

Wadenius ruined the 1994 tour?? A rather dumb statement. The man is an animal. Amazing solos. True Companion (live) anyone?

<<<Good thing was that after the tour ended, DF and WB never used him again.>>>

A patently incorrect statement. I won't even go into it but you're wrong.


Date: Sat, January 19, 2013, 14:33:48 ET
Posted by: UH?,

moray eel, Yeah...and they didn't use Peter Erskin and Dennis Chambers again either after one tour. Does that mean they suck too? You're way off base, bud.


Date: Sat, January 19, 2013, 12:53:24 ET
Posted by: moray eel, by

Don't understand the love for Wadenius. He ruined the 1994 tour with his repetitive speed and stop antics. The guy kept breaking his strings during his solos.

Good thing was that after the tour ended, DF and WB never used him again.

m.e.


Date: Sat, January 19, 2013, 00:13:39 ET
Posted by: MM, &I

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0183505/soundtrack

Also listed is Midnite Cruiser and Chain Lightning. Neither are on the CD


Date: Sat, January 19, 2013, 00:10:51 ET
Posted by: The , Answer

"Monkey In Your Soul"
Written by Walter Becker and Donald Fagen
Performed by Freedy Johnston
Courtesy of Columbia Records
By Arrangement with Sony Music Licensing


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 23:42:42 ET
Posted by: RP, NC

Watching Me Myself & Irene on the Fox Movie Channel. I own the Soundtrack and on it there are 8 covers of Dan tunes from the first 4 albums. This part I didn't know..there is at least one more in the movie...I just heard an instrumental version of Monkey In My Soul which does not appear on the soundtrack. Not sure which band covered it.


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 21:06:38 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

My first SD show was 1996 at Virginia Beach. It was the second show on the Art Crimes tour. Yeah, Krantz really put me off a bit. I thought his solos that night were way too outside for the songs. But then I loved his work on Morph with Jon. It was that and stuff like that astonishing solo on The Nightfly from the Massey Hall boot that brought me over to really digging his style. As a guitarist what intrigues me is his percussive staccato attack. And a kind of a raunchy tone but perfect for his style. I think if Picasso had played guitar he would sound like Wayne Krantz.


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 20:06:31 ET
Posted by: Paul ,

Steely Dan alum, Cynthia Calhoun (2000 & 2003) will be performing with Roxboro Entertainment recording artist Sunnie Paxson on Feb 2nd at Vitello's Upstairs Jazz & Supper Club in Studio City CA. They'll be joined by Dan Lutz (paul brown, peter white, sheila e, andy summers, larry carlton,...) on bass and Jimmy Paxson (stanley clarke, stevie nicks, rod stewart, steve vai,...)on drums.

Feel free to check out Cynthia's FB page and/or website.


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 18:06:40 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

#1 live guitarist, I should say. #1 recorded is a different debate entirely ...


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 18:05:11 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

I can understand not everyone ranking Wayne Krantz as the number 1 Steely Dan guitarist. But anyone who dismisses his work on any Steely Dan/Fagen work like that reviewer needs to wash the shit out of their ears.


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 17:55:54 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

I'm a fan of Krantz in general and liked what he did on the Fagen solo tour. However, I have always thought he isn't the prototypical Steely Dan player, Wadenius may have been more "true" to the original solos, but I wasn't all that crazy about his stuff either. I don't dislike either guy. They both are excellent musicians and as a fan at a concert I appreciated their musicianship. (I try not to let my expectations interfere with appreciating good music. I'm not perfect at this, I admit. But I find I enjoy music more if I let it happen and keep expectations at bay.) I thought Drew Zingg's style was great for the band.

Herington keeps getting better as a SD guitarist, IMO. He strikes a great balance between replicating the essence of what made the original solos great and memorable, while adding his own style and not being too derivative.

There was something very exciting about those bands early in the reformation of The Dan. There are elements I miss (particularly the vibes). But I think the new band is the best BAND, at least in concert, they have had. Certainly the tightest.


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 16:55:48 ET
Posted by: UH?,

Lk: Thanks! That's exactly what I was talking about. Goerg in '94 was a better fit for SD.


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 15:38:22 ET
Posted by: LK, on location

This reviewer thought Krantz did more of the same in '06.

http://granatino.com/sdresource/060320%20chicago%20sun%20times.htm


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 13:46:43 ET
Posted by: UH?,

moray eel, "Wadenius" mistake? I hate to break it to you, but Wadenius went over a lot better with crowds than Kratz ever did with SD! Wayne redeemed himself on the Fagen solo tour in 2006 when he decided to play the solos more true to the records. On the 1996 tour he went so far off into his own world that the majority of the fans didn't care for it. Georg did a very nice job in '94...far from a "mistake".


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 09:25:03 ET
Posted by: DYLNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

NEUTRAL Q, you made my day by dropping one of my all-time favorite
sayings. " No good deed goes unpunished" now back to our regularly
scheduled programing.


Date: Fri, January 18, 2013, 08:57:04 ET
Posted by: Mr. Wadenius, out and about

Mr. Eel - I thought that the Alive in America liner notes referred to one particular performance of mine with the words: Wadenius rocks! Do I misremember after all these years? Was it instead: Wadenius sucks?

Why the hate?

Regards,
Georg


Date: Thurs, January 17, 2013, 21:27:32 ET
Posted by: moray eel, pine

1996 SD tour at Pine Knob?

Donald's voice sounded as good as it ever had on any of the studio CDs. Wayne Krantz was a nice, creative upgrade over the "Wadenius" mistake.

m.e.


Date: Thurs, January 17, 2013, 17:28:55 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

Seeing the '96 Art Crimes Tour mentioned recently takes me back to an unforgetable, yet mentally foggy night in Clarkston, MI. I popped my SD cherry at Pine Knob, and I'm hoping to see a loooong list of concert dates appear soon for Lucky '13!

New flick comin' featuring the Queen of Soul:

http://movieline.com/2013/01/15/muscle-shoals-trailer-mick-jagger-keith-richards-lynyrd-skynyrd-dave-grohl/

New tour comin' featuring alum Chris Potter and other greats:

http://www.montereyjazzfestival.org/2012/on-tour/dates

Has anyone caught The Who's current Quadrophenia show, or been to an Allman Brother Beacon blast?

This Doomsday prediction shit's gettin stale, but I'll go ahead and put my money on the UFOs landing right after Don and Walt and the band walk offstage after a three hour set at Bonnaroo.


Date: Thurs, January 17, 2013, 16:06:32 ET
Posted by: Another Neutral,

I know St Al and Hoops both agree that it gets boring when the discussion turns to being all about the forums themselves.


Date: Thurs, January 17, 2013, 14:27:57 ET
Posted by: Neutral, Q

How much did St. Al charge fans to access his site to warrant such criticism? No good deed goes unpunished.


Date: Thurs, January 17, 2013, 10:53:43 ET
Posted by: anton,

Some people really liked that 1996 touring band? Michelle Wiley sounded like she was singing in Les Misérables. Absolutely horrible!


Date: Thurs, January 17, 2013, 10:36:09 ET
Posted by: Lurker,

moray eel - Don't mention Hoops and St Al in the same breath. St Al is a causal fan that one day just decided to throw up a SD message board. Hoops actually loves the band and as done much more to help promote Donald and Walter's music, as well as help the band sell tickets to their shows. St Al couldn't care less and would rather be talking about The String Cheese Incident and Obamacare.


Date: Thurs, January 17, 2013, 01:19:07 ET
Posted by: moray eel, clar

Hoops: I meant no offense. I was just saying that I found both sites to be quite the same. I worded it poorly.

1. I found that you and St. Al moderated the board more than you engaged in the daily banter.

2. You both openly displayed strong interests in other musical acts and weren't only Steely-centric.

3. Most message boards switched to threaded formats many years ago. The yellow and blue books both resisted making that change.

I found both sites gave posters the same type of experience.

m.e.




Date: Wed, January 16, 2013, 23:44:05 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

Going back to the Walter singing thread...Wouldn't it be wonderful if they did "Paging Audrey" live? Has it ever been performed live before?


Date: Wed, January 16, 2013, 23:39:13 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Hutch - it's remarkable how much of the phrasing chosen sounds like Fagen's blues harp. Condo's IMO is closer in quality to The Nightfly than I could have imagined...




Dean: Help me Rhondo, help, help me Rhondo


Date: Wed, January 16, 2013, 19:36:07 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

I started to read those USA posts, until I couldn't figure out what the fuck they were about. As 8 out of 10 notes, the few I read sound like fake stats. i spent about 20 years as a research professional. Unless you know the study's sponsor, have the research instrument, have the methodology, have access to the raw data and have some ability to analyze data, citing bullshit stats you read somewhere just makes you sound like a moron--at least to me. My near universal response to research reports, and stat quotes is, "show me the data and methodology". Most of what you read and hear is uninformed bullshit.


Doc Mu, i think there must be a joke in there somewhere, but I admit I'm confused. Ghanda and Rondo = Rhondo?


Date: Wed, January 16, 2013, 18:21:56 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

This #1 shit is about as far from SD related as anything I've seen here. Take it to a political forum.

The interview with Will Galison that was posted a while back was pretty cool. I recall him talking about how many passes they did tracking his solos and then, in some cases, piecing them together to get the best end result. I'm wondering how much piecing together was done with the one for New Breed. It's a beautiful solo. Starts out with the melodic theme and runs through some obviously Fagenesque phrasing and ends right back on the melody line. A work of art.


Date: Wed, January 16, 2013, 14:07:13 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


Dean - if he's singing the Rondo it's Rhondo

As far as blue v. yellow = green

Pat decided the way to take care of belligerent anon posters was to set up a threaded forum requiring log in and approvals up front. i.p.s track multiple bogus personnas. Jim's MO re: inappropriate posts (anon or not) has been to edit the G'book. To each their own.


Date: Wed, January 16, 2013, 07:50:48 ET
Posted by: 8 out of 10, cats

Ha ha ... Love the battle of the 'fake statistics'!! The phrase 'than anywhere else in the world ' is scientifically meaningless. You can only compare specific population sizes,(ie - actual numbers !) to come up with meaningful statistical analysis. It does serve to remind us, entertainingly, that we are served up ACTUAL meaningless gibberish like that by the media every day, skewed in whichever way suits their masters - and we just grunt and nod. Oh, and the USA contains more successful, original, creative bands called Steely Dan 'than anywhere else in the world'...


Date: Wed, January 16, 2013, 04:14:17 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

SC currently 26 in the Amazon top 100 in the UK yet can't even make it in the UK official top 100 ?? Strange !


Date: Tues, January 15, 2013, 17:53:29 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Pietro,

Makes some sense, actually. I bet food was a big part of the discussion between these men. (Maybe sex, too--but they are getting on in years.)

Thanks.


Date: Tues, January 15, 2013, 16:58:38 ET
Posted by: 30 Italian names for the male part ?,

The United States has over 60 names as of the last count.

Just one more area where the United States is the world leader.

Now need to add in Slinky Thing and Pins and Seven from Miss Marlene


Date: Tues, January 15, 2013, 13:14:38 ET
Posted by: Pietro, Milano

when we talk about food or sex, we speak totally different languages from town to town...it's strange, but maybe we speak different languages only when we are talking about two of the most important things in life...I remember that once the italian actor Roberto Benigni, oscar for "La vita è bella", (he is from Tuscany, where I heard the first Dan live show in my life, the great Lucca concert)talked for twenty minutes only to do a list of the different names used in different italian regions for a part of the male body, over 30 different names in the list...


Date: Tues, January 15, 2013, 08:27:08 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Pietro, thanks for the contribution. Well done. As you note, most in modern Italy speak official Italian. That's why it seemed so odd to me when my friend relayed his very recent story about two educated men having communication issues. Maybe it was the accent? (That's really a question, I have no idea.)

I think the phrase "Ghana Rhondo" is English (although properly it would be "Ghanaian Rondo"). A Rondo is a song (or a dance) with a particular song structure.

Also thanks to tripstar for the translation--and the morning chuckle.


Date: Tues, January 15, 2013, 08:24:00 ET
Posted by: Chet, B

How many of you use SD related passwords for your various online accounts? I do, and a great way to remember them is to lyrics that some how pertain to the website. Ex. to pay my mortgage, I use lyrics from Bodhisattva about selling your house, adding my own encryption method. lol. Over the years, Peg has provided the most passwords.


Date: Tues, January 15, 2013, 05:33:24 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

Re: Baxter's Spanish at the end of "OAFWST": the correct Spanish translation would have been "Sólo/solamente un tonto DIRÍA eso" (conditional tense). I hear Skunk say "...(unintelligible, probably solamente)... un tonto DECíA eso", which translates as "...a fool SAID/USED TO SAY that", not "would be saying", as was posted recently.
Understandable "mistake", since the Spanish verb system is really difficult to get the hang of. Skunk actually sounds as if he can speak Spanish quite well in terms of pronunciation and fluency (far, admittedly, from Brain Strainer's command of classic and modern Korean).


Date: Tues, January 15, 2013, 04:24:30 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Pietro:

Great clarification, thank you.

*

Re: the name Aja.

I went to a wedding in Denmark last summer, and there was a girl there of Danish/Icelandic origin with the name Naja (pronounced NAH-yah).

*

Jazzassin:

The Third World Man cover was a real treat. Great find!


... and with that; back to Snarky Puppy!


Date: Tues, January 15, 2013, 03:31:32 ET
Posted by: Pietro, Milano

The Dean, here in Italy some old people living in small towns use to talk in "dialetto" in their everyday life, but now they know official italian too...in the first world war for the soldiers, of almost every education level, was impossible to talk each other. From the forties-fifties-sixties radio and television brought unificated official italian to the mass but in the 70s many people in small towns didn't understand every word of people from other part of Italy, but now we have only small differences from town to town and (a sad thing) young people ignore almost every word of the ancient "dialettos" of their towns or regions...
Third world man, "E' l'era del terzo mondo"= "This IS the Third World era", but "E l'era del terzo mondo" (E, not E')means "and the third world era", maybe a little mistake in liner notes..."Ghana rondo", in italian= "rondò del Ghana" o "rondò ghanese", rondò is an ancient french dance,(1600-1700?) here in Italy we call rondò the circular squares...but maybe Donald had in his mind Dave Brubeck's composition "Blues Rondo a la Turk" (a line about Brubeck is in New Fronteer)...ciao a tutti!!!


Date: Tues, January 15, 2013, 02:32:27 ET
Posted by: Juliet, usa

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Date: Mon, January 14, 2013, 22:36:17 ET
Posted by: Glenn,

Jim "Not Related to Mick" Taylor; I think Hooops is talking mostly to Moray Eel's post from a few weeks ago. I'd give it a rest.


Date: Mon, January 14, 2013, 20:44:55 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

Jim: I was trying to find the thread where I made that comment. I can't find it now, but I do remember saying that. I was aware of your involvement with EJ, and I think that's where my comment came from. I think I also said that just because I have seen Zappa and the Dead more than I have seen SD doesn't mean that I hold them in higher esteem. I think that I was trying to defend you against the charge that you had divided or waivering allegiances. Not that it matters in my mind. We all know what you mean to the community and to SD fans world wide. I never gave it a second thought. Anyhow, Happy New Year and maybe we will meet at some Danfest if the boys tour in 2013.


Date: Mon, January 14, 2013, 18:27:26 ET
Posted by: Security Joan, Wherever Strainer isn't

Um, Strainer, would you have written that insulting little racist scenario if you thought that perhaps there might be some real Koreans reading this board? Hmmm? Never assume.


Date: Mon, January 14, 2013, 13:46:30 ET
Posted by: ya gotta , larf

Todays 'Synapse Stresser' - what Old Testament dude dissed women and Koreans within a few short posts ?


Date: Mon, January 14, 2013, 12:24:25 ET
Posted by: what's wrong with you strainer,

I can't believe you actually thought out, then typed out, then posted that ignorant racial dreck. Unfortunately says a lot about you.


Date: Mon, January 14, 2013, 12:14:21 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

It's named Aja. Not a misspelling, not incorrect, it's just the name. The pseudo-racism isn't really necessary.


Date: Mon, January 14, 2013, 06:35:38 ET
Posted by: dot com, / life

I don't think The New Breed (at least taking the song at face value) is all that interesting a subject. I can understand why people have let their imaginations run with it.


Date: Mon, January 14, 2013, 04:23:42 ET
Posted by: Phil, Pau

Talking about French pronounciation, I may post this for the second time , don't know what Donald thinks about it, Hey nineteen in French!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCM8W1d34EQ

For T, Avignon is not bad as well and I was also at their first Paris show, at the end, waiting to buy the program, Catherine Deneuve was there just before me, buying tons of t-shirts !


Date: Mon, January 14, 2013, 02:10:23 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

The last Strainer, which was non-competitive, posed a question as to why "Aja" was pronounced in the song like "Asia" with a long "a", instead of what would both intuitively and what would be the general rules of English grammar should sound like "ah-zha"

EPILOGUE

Many excellent posts were made which shone "more light, more light, more light"--on the subject. From the kernels of knowledge put forth in these posts, my personal experience and other resources, what follows is a speculative, BUT plausible hypothesis as to how DF got to the spelling, and its arbitrary pronunciation as applied to the Dan's Aja LP and its title track. Key here is that the name "Aja" was said to belong to that of an actual Korean woman associated with a high school friend of DF:

Flash back to the early to mid 1950's New York metro area to the Korean Ghetto, or wherever the Korean population in NYC congregates. A Korean War refugee or disciple of Sun Myung Moon's nascent Unification Church and his young, nine-month pregnant bride in their fifth floor, walk-up squalid tenement apartment have just sat down to dinner. The husband speaks just before digging into a modest portion of bulgoki, kim-chee and bean sprouts, and says (phonetically)

"We cumma to Amellica prom Asia. Ahh So, if it is girl, I tink we name ah dottah Asia"

The wife speaks, after vigourously chewing a wad of the cheap, insufficiently fermented kim-chee "Ahh So, buttah we usee cute Amellican girl spellee. How day spellee? A-J-A?? Two weeks later, the baby girl, "AJA" was welcomed into the Korean Ghetto.

We move forward between twenty to twenty five years and DF wants to do something Asian for his next LP and he has a mental block. By happenstance he runs across his old buddy who has taken up with that very same person, who is now the grown-up, Asian-sensation, hoochie-mama, Aja. With the record company breathing down his back with deadlines, DF appropriates this name for the title track of his next LP, WITHOUT the due diligence we have come to know of his doing the research into the origins of this name "Aja", its authenticity and Oriental pedigree.

To this day, the title Aja had caused confusion as to its pronunciation, origins etc. This hypothesis might serve as a probable explanation of how it came to be and how it ended up on the biggest selling SD LP thus far. The question of Asian authenticity is left to twist in the wind.

Interestingly, there exists a popular, authentic Korean female name "Ae Cha" listed in the International Registry. Had the power of today's Information Superhighway been at DF's fingertips in the mid 1970's, "Ae Cha" might have been chosen which indeed WOULD have had the correct pronunciation and syllabically fit right into the chorus of the LP's eventual title track. And, hence, the course of history might have been altered......




Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 20:14:36 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Dear Dandom;

Happy New Year to you all. You are the best!

Probably like your family, mine's been under the weather. We celebrated Christmas a week late--just saying that to let you know I'm behind on everything, including the posts here. And as soon as I'm about to respond to a post four days after the fact, I find there's another one to respond to and then I've fallen further behind!!!!

So to respond to a few--in case it matters:

New Breed:
Not just here but it seems everywhere, I hear about this message of supposed "tolerance" where everyone agrees anything can mean whatever they want it mean for their personal experience and all. Heck, I like the way "I'm Not The Same Without You" could be about giving up smoking or some habit. Maybe Donald could license it to Nicorette. But really, it's simply about feeling OK after breaking up with someone. Does one have to read too much into it? Same sorta thing with "New Breed." Enjoy those "ice cream castles in the clouds" that you see, but I have to give some credit to my literature teachers and professors, especially one who used to say, "Interesting interpretation but do you really think the author meant that?" I took that to mean consider what's being said--sometimes it is nonsense--but often the writer's thought and effort should be respected enough such that I don't narcissistically dismiss the meaning as simply whatever I think it should mean. I've enjoyed some of the takes and even indulged in my own imagination.

I keep hearing in different forums about how the women in New Breed (as well as Slinky Thing) are such horrible bitches. In attempt to appreciate Donald's lyrical craft, I have to ask that literature class question, "Is that what's really going on in the songs?" With "New Breed" the only thing the character's girlfriend actually says (second hand) is that the techie whiz really knows his shit. If you look carefully, it's like Slinky Thing Part II. Both songs express the worries and fearful imagination of what could go wrong with his relationship...but "the girl" never says a thing!!!!! It's very Woody Allenesque! That's Donald's psychological brilliance about these songs...the pain is caused not by the squeezes dumping the narrators but by the narrator's own fears and insecurities. Again, I'm just responding to more than a few posts I've seen in different forums where people curse the women in both songs for leaving Donald. Good grief.

===

I'm behind in a lot of things so I'm totally bummed to not get my mitts on Donald-related interviews in Uncut, Keyboard and Bass Player. I think it's too late to get the Uncut issue. I know you can order Keyboard on line. Thanks for keeping us up.

===

Moray Eel posted:

"
1. Didn't really engage in Steely Dan fans in discussions, but occasionally stepped in to posters in their place.

2. Both seemed to have other allegiances ... Zappa/Elton John.

3. Both rejected the preferred threaded format that most posters desire.
"

And Jim Taylor says, "Everyone knows that Jim is a huge Elton John fan."

I don't understand #1. #2. Yeah, I'm a huge fan of several musical acts, to the point that I've been called on to consult on some album releases. But Steely Dan is by far my favorite and the only one that I see as close to perfect, that I rabidly follow. I follow quite a few. I've been to as many Grateful Dead concerts as Steely Dan. Does that mean I have an allegiance to the Dead? I used to occasionally be in a Van Morrison cover band and, off and on for the past 20 years, I've hosted a Van Morrison forum...currently I do along with a couple of friends in Holland....Van-L and Van-Info at FlatHat.net Over a decade ago, his record company asked me to advise them on some re-releases Does that all mean I have a compromised allegiance to Van Morrison? In the case of Elton John, I was a huge fan in the 70s. In the early 90s, I purchased CDs of classic albums like Madman and Tumbleweed and found mastering errors and was quoted in ICE Newsletter--remember ICE? As a result, during the 90s, my input was sought by Elton's producer and his record company on re-releases. I'm credited on a few I advised on and a few I didn't, and not credited on a few that I did advise on. Go figure. So I had a list set up for discussion and I was a royal pain in the ass about the lack of consistency about Elton's work. The list ran from 1992 to about six or seven years ago. I tried spinning it off for some friends a couple of years ago but didn't work out. While Bernie Taupin apparently liked it, Elton John HATED it. Why? Probably because I called into question what I saw as lapses in artistic integrity. Same reason he was at odds with Gus Du dgeon who brought me in for advise. (I still can't believe that.) So, I've been to one Elton John concert in about 7-8 years--a special taping two years ago to which I was invited (not by EJ--I've never met or had contact with him). It was a special show with Leon Russell on the day their new joint album was released. A great album, I might add. I do keep a log of my own posts to the Bluebook. I've mentioned Elton John 14 times in 12 years, always vis a vis someone else's post starting the discussion. In recent years, I've been involved with Leonard Cohen fans, heck all of us are involved with our favorites, aren't we? As if that's special or something or shows compromised allegiance.

So what I bristle at is this use of the word "allegiance" bit because I'm not perfect, but I strive for artistic integrity. The implication is that as a booster and big fan of Steely Dan first in my book, it suggests that I've put other artists ahead of Steely Dan. No way. Maybe Moray Eel and Taylor mean something else but what's next? Is it going to be implied that I have some sort of compromising allegiance to Van Morrison, Leonard Cohen, etc?

But back to the Blue, I run threaded forums on other topics--is it OK that I have an allegiance to preserving historic retail architecture to the point that it's part of my profession? I've suggested again and again different forum format's but the culture of this place is such that this what people want! A 20+ year-old script! I might add that as an IT professional, I roll my eyes at the datedness.

I respect that people really loved the so called "yellow book" and hats off to Pat for first finding the script that is the technical basis for this forum. I won't comment on the content of the "yellow" since I was not a mainstream member of that forum, but I will note these differences which served as a basis for accommodating many requests for the formation of the Blue:

I won't ever make fun of you or diss you for buying yet another new re-re-re-...release of any Steely Dan, Donald Fagen, Walter Becker or other SD-connected album.

I will go to SD shows even if am not someone guest, although in recent years I've had to cut back to accomodate my finances. I won't not go to a show because I didn't get a free ticket.

I won't ignore the release of a WB or DF solo album.

I won't tell you that recollecting about a past experience working for Donald and Walter is boring.

I won't tell you that you went to too many shows or that I'm skipping the tour.

I always consider myself perpetually enrolled as a student in Steely Dan University.

While I don't see myself as an expert on Steely Dan, I do consider myself someone who encourages people at large to consider the genius of Steely Dan, more than some band that had some hits in the 70s.

Well I said enough....sorry I didn't have a clever one-liner which would have been infinitely better.

====

It is Dandom's 20th anniversary coming up. I'd love for us to have one big Danfest of some sort where I could meet some people I've never met through the years. Like the Camerons from New Zealand and Toby from the UK and it would be good to see Howard after a 12-year absence. There's a lot of founding members from 1993 that I've never met!

Best wishes to you and yours in the coming year.

P.S. Sorry I didn't proofread this enough :-)


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 19:12:25 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Hotel Norway

S. Stills,
I agree it's a little CSN-ish. And also I recognize that he uses a piece of Eagles' Hotel California for an intro. I think Mr.Gurnsey is a sly dog indeed.

Like the Dean I have mixed feelings about his voice on JOS, which is probably the least impressive cover version of the three - allthough even that one is pretty impressive to me.

Yup Hutch, that's sooo Ted Baker. :o)


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 18:28:06 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

I guess this might be old news but it's new to me. Herington and the Choir. That's not Ted Baker on the piano is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHX0TonZSE8


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 18:24:23 ET
Posted by: S. Stills,

Nicholas Gurney's version of NBN is very CSN!


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 18:21:41 ET
Posted by: MLM, P

The credits for Gaucho include one for Italian translation. No idea if it was for Third World Man or somebody who helped them order from an Italian place for delivery to the studio.

Perhaps this is the guy credited?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_di_Suvero


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 18:15:42 ET
Posted by: T, Avignon, France

Hi Phil from Pau

You were a lucky guy to see Jeff Porcaro on stage with Toto in Montreux.
I’ am always very sad every time somebody speaks about him because he was a great drummer and I love drums. For the first Steely Dan show in Paris Olympia year 2K, I was able to talk with a californian guy who told me he was in high school with him and Jeff was already awesome. Indeed, for various reasons, things can take some time and more than we think. I hope for you (and me, now) that the Toto concert released one day.
The 2009 line up was similar to yours…
I really think, since that year, a Blu Ray would be required to Steely Dan. I even talked with the team after the show in Washington DC 2009. They told me that Donald and Walter don’t care about that for the moment. And for the moment, I'm wrong !

Quel pot d’être à Pau.
T


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 16:41:01 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar, Football Sunday!

Jazz, thanks for linking those Nicholas Gurney covers. You are correct, they are a very big step above the standard SD cover. I have mixed feelings about Gurney's voice (particularly on JOS) but the harmony's are interesting and the quality is there. I find the version of Night By Night hypnotic.


Interesting translation of "E L'era del terzo mondo". I found one site (http://www.freetranslation.com/) that translated it from Italian as "It was of the thrid world" but most agreed with your translation. No need to dissect the exact translation here. In the song it is simply a great sounding lyric. I think the real question I think, is why would a "Ghana Rondo" (I assume that means a rondo sung by those in Ghana) be in Italian? That's just freaking weird!

Funny thing about Italian, though: my two Grandmothers (from different regions of Italy) could barely understand each other. Of course, they spoke mostly dialects and not the official "Italian". Odd thing is, just recently a good friend of mine returned from Bologna after visiting his friend--a professor at a University there. They traveled an hour or two from town to visit a man my friend wanted to meet. The two Italian men, both educated (and one would think both speaking "Italian") had a hard time understanding each other.

Kick off time!


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 15:41:44 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, rather impressed

The same guy (Nicholas Gurney) also plays Night By Night and Jack Of Speed in the same style.

NBN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M88q4vxdl_s

JOS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JmBQkFg-3M

This is way above your average acoustic cover versions. Serious.


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 14:35:45 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Primo Mondo

Nice semi-acoustic cover of Third World Man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br3WiiCcSxo

And btw, talking about foreign launguage parts in SD songs ... in the last verse of "Third World Man" Donald sings in Italian: "L'era del terzo mondo" which translates to "Era of the third world". Much further from the english song title and lyrics than Baxter's Spanish phrase is from "Only A Fool Would Say That", actually.


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 04:51:49 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

Don't Marlene and Maxine rhyme with Pixeleen? If so, that's English for you: three different spellings for the same pronunciation. Don't get me started, I spent years studying the relationship between spelling and pronunciation... Fascinating stuff for non-native speakers of English like myself. Almost as many exceptions as there are rules!


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 00:42:56 ET
Posted by: Rose Darling, phucks team captain


The Cousin Dupree knockoff comes on TBS at 1am eastern.

http://www.steelydan.com/heyluke.html

http://blog.moviefone.com/2006/07/29/owen-wilson-replies-to-mr-steely-dan/


Date: Sun, January 13, 2013, 00:31:40 ET
Posted by: SDV, half alive

no micro-analysis. simply an observation that the words at the end of the song didn't translate exactly and wondering if the guys realized it or gave a shit at all. fun to think about for a moment or two but no need to dwell on it. that is all.




Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 21:58:14 ET
Posted by: TarHeelDanFan, Raleigh

Raleigh, NC, that is. . Happy Birthday DF and best regards to Walter and that blue
guitar of his.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 21:46:34 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Why Am I Not Drinking? That must change NOW!

SDV, you said "I think it sounds perfect as is, and obviously they did too.". That's pretty much my point. I doubt it was an "error". Likely it was spontaneous and they liked it, even if it wasn't a word for word interpretation. So my point is, I don't think it's something they missed, or that slipped by them. While it may have been spontaneous when it was uttered, it was purposefully left there. I'd bet they even checked the translation before releasing it.

Like pronunciation and spelling rules, translations are fairly malleable things. There are any number of instances where there isn't just ONE way to translate something. Idioms, dialects among other things, can lead two perfectly fluent translators to give slightly different results from the same source. I could imagine an English speaker (perhaps with French accent) saying "only a fool would be saying that" with a little condescending tone in his/her voice (apologies to Phil and our other French posters) as a little shot at the end of that tune. I see no reason why someone speaking Spanish (native or otherwise) might not do the same. So, I don't think this is an "imperfection", at all. It's just not what you expected.

I guess what I am getting at is, the micro-analysis (leading to questions of mistakes) or perfectly ordinary things, which fluctuate regularly in the everyday world, seems a bit obsessive. I'm definitely not pointing the figure at you SDV--to an extent we are all guilty (at least most of us) from time to time.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 21:44:23 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



Aja is mispronounced because it would have sounded like crap otherwise.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 20:41:36 ET
Posted by: TarHeelDanFan, Raleigh

Please come to Raleigh in 2013.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 19:37:47 ET
Posted by: SDV, feel no pain

well we certainly weren't disturbed by the Spanish line. It's just that since D&W come across as such perfectionists, we simply wondered if they were aware of the imperfection. And if not, would it have bugged them at all. No biggie. I think it sounds perfect as is, and obviously they did too.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 18:46:48 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

Doesn't Marlene (mar-leen) rhyme with Maxine (mak-seen)?


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 17:29:36 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, deeper still

Nicholas,
I had a gut feeling I was on thin ice using/ referring to the aforementioned expression in this context... but chose to assume you'd all get the pun anyway. ;o)
I plead the weed. But then again, only a fool would say that. Giggle, giggle.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 16:50:53 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

Jazzassin - by "deep in the weeds," I meant that we were in the arcane, the esoteric, the margins where only the truly obsessed tread.

That said, Skunk Baxter may or may not have been deep in the weeds, but he was, indeed, deep into weed.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 16:01:29 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Were You High That Day

I imagine the recording of Baxter practicing his Spanish at the end of Only A Fool was done under influence of one ore more substances (cf our correspondent on Phraxos). You can clearly hear him giggle like only little girls and stoned people do, and his voice doesn't sound quite natural, it sounds like he's in some kind of character for a few seconds. They were probably just flippin' out and having a good time in the studio that day, and kept Baxter's babbling at the end of the song just for fun.
Besides, I suspect they love to keep fans wondering about this and that. It works. We're still discussing this.
Just my two cents.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 15:44:28 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

I, too, hear "Mar-Lynn," not "Marleen." But we are in the weeds, amigos, deep in the weeds.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 15:32:21 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

To our friend from Luxembourg, as a proper name, Marlene is pronounced any damn way the owner of that name chooses. Also, one would not expect an European pronunciation from an American English speaker. And, for the record, I hear "Marlene" just fine in that song--though the next time I listen I promise to pay a bit more attention.

As for the Spanish translation "only a fool would be saying that", I wonder why anyone is disturbed by that. I'm thinking that is exactly what they wanted to say. As an off-hand comment at the end of the song, it has a certain flair. Of course it is possible it is just an imprecise translation.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 14:57:35 ET
Posted by: only a fool spanish,

SDV, what do you mean that you're "surprised Don & Walt let that one slip by"? I don't think either of them speak Spanish.

Jeff Baxter lived in Mexico City for a while, and spoke that line. It's more likely he didn't have enough mastery of the language to use the proper tense, but the spirit of what he said is still cool.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 14:48:38 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

Fillers at 2-4, Victor?
Thanks for clearing that up, genius.
Those happen to be favorite songs to other listeners, neither do I believe Don spends 6 years to put 3 fillers on the first half of his new cd.
It takes a pure genius to point that out.
Now please post a link to your stuff, it must be brilliant!


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 12:27:54 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

For several years the sample Bank of America ATM card shown on the walls inside BoA ATM kiosks featured an attractive woman of multiple ethnicities, her name as embossed on the card was Aja. I had mixed feelings about this.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 11:44:57 ET
Posted by: Marlene D., Luxembourg

It is really pronounced mahr-lay-neh and originally comes out of central Europe. So most of America and now especially Donald Fagen says it wrong.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 10:36:07 ET
Posted by: Me , 2

I also haven't been able to hear it as Marlene.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 09:36:02 ET
Posted by: It's all, in the name

Speaking of names, I keep reading "Miss Marlene" but hearing "Miss Marlynn." Maybe I'm mis-hearing - I haven't heard the highest fidelity releases. Regardless, why would anyone consider such a difference (Marlene-Marlynn, Aja-Asia) an "error." That's absurd.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 07:27:38 ET
Posted by: It's , ART

They absitively don't follow strict rules of language and grammar, part of the appeal - why should they, it's poetry, it's art ...... there was no baying mob after e e cummings .... or was there ?


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 02:28:23 ET
Posted by: SDV, sound good to me

BS-

as stated, a woman's first name does not need to follow any "rules" of pronunciation... especially when those rules don't actually exist. Or have I been pronouncing the word "acorn" wrong all these years?


A dear old girlfriend of mine spoke fluent Spanish (it was her first language) and she said the words uttered at the end of "Only A Fool Would Say That" translate to "only a fool would be saying that". We were both surprised Don & Walt let that one slip by...


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 01:50:01 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

"Aja" was the name of a Korean woman who married the brother of a high-school friend of his. Donald said (to paraphrase) that the song is about the serenity one finds in being in a quiet relationship with a beautiful woman.


Date: Sat, January 12, 2013, 01:50:01 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

"Aja" was the name of a Korean woman who married the brother of a high-school friend of his. Donald said (to paraphrase) that the song is about the serenity one finds in being in a quiet relationship with a beautiful woman.


Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 22:12:29 ET
Posted by: Dave (from acquisitions), Philadelphia

Listening to IGY tonight and focussing on Don's soloing style on the synth parts. Never put this together before even though I consider him a highly underrated soloist (My Rival, Hey 19, Your Gold Teeth, Home at Last, etc.) when he plays a synth patch solo a lot of times it has a sax feel about it like he's trying to emulate what a sax player would play, he rarely plays polyphonically or ventures out of the range of a tenor or soprano sax. This rule doesn't really apply when he's soloing on organ or rhodes. Then of course I remembered that he does in fact play sax so maybe that's his inner jazz sax god coming out. Any thoughts?


Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 22:09:57 ET
Posted by: It's only me,


@ The Dean:

Thank you.


Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 22:08:03 ET
Posted by: It's only me,


@ Brain Strainer:

I'm not even going to begin to explain to you why you've got this spelling/pronunciation thing all wrong.

I'll let someone else, who is kinder and has more time on their hands, do it for me.


Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 22:07:14 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Brain,

I don't remember the entire story, but I'm fairly sure Don said "Aja" was the name of a woman he knew growing up (someone's wife or girlfriend), and he thought it was very exotic and mysterious. So, Aja is not a mis-spelling of Asia, but rather a proper name. And as I am sure you know, proper names can be pronounced any damn way the person who owns them chooses. So, I believe the woman's name was spelled "Aja" and pronounced as Asia. At least that's the gist of what I recall.

Even if that weren't the case, English doesn't really have the strict pronunciation rules you seem to imply. There are any number of exceptions. And even if Walt and Don decided to make up this spelling and give it that pronunciation, I would simply consider it creative poetic license. That's the leeway great artists get. I throw paint on a canvas and someone yells at me for messing up the canvas. Jackson Pollock does it and he's a freakin' genius.


Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 21:51:44 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Tonite's Strainer is just a thought question to ponder, as it might have not occurred to anyone else out there. Maybe those out there in the ether have an answer, or maybe DF or WB have previously revealed the answer.

Speaking of "Aja", the spelling of that title does not jibe with its "accepted" pronunciation which we hear as "Asia" on the recording. Aja should be pronounced "ah-zha" like "rajah". Both the "a's" would be short vowels, NOT the long "ay" as in "stay". Vowels are normally short when preceding consonants unless another vowel succeeds it in the same syllable.

This apparent mistake has vexed me for many years, particularly since it came from highly literate, anal guys such as DF and WB who fastidiously research the accuracy of and articulation of lyrics. Even foreign ones.

Had this error been made by one of today's illiterate hip hop artists who bastardize any possible word and it gets out the door through their equally illiterate handlers and record labels it would be tolerable.

Y'all nome sane? Aiiiiight!!!

The next interviewer of DF or WB needs to ask why Aja is mispronounced. And it was a helluva place to fuck it up on the title of the highest selling, and some would say their signature album. Was it an error of omission? OR commission, which cannot, nor should not be ruled out.....


Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 21:37:39 ET
Posted by: JungleMusic,

For Don's birthday, besides having added the little news story about Don in the Show Business section, they seem to have taken out the "writings" column in the No Business section of his website. It's always exciting to see some activity on that site, doesn't happen that often, but I like it better when they add stuff to it.


Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 10:10:48 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

Vic, I don't recall saying that I only like Pop songs. In fact your post points out what is probably more accurate, that ultimately it isn't the poppy songs that I like, and that Memorabilia is more the anomoly than the rule. (although, really, aren't all DF songs Pop songs?)

And to agree with Pete, to call the other songs filler is crazy! If it weren't for my strange obsession with Memorabilia, Good Stuff would be my clear favorite. An exceptional song.

I admit, that in most cases I'm a music over lyrics guy. Typically I'll like a song because of the music then I'll work on understandnig the lyrics. I think Memorabilia, Good Stuff and Planet D'Rhonda are beautiful songs musically. I just also happen to like the lyrics.

But to clarify all my posts, other than Ghetto (which I don't even dislike as much as I did at first), this album is near perfection for me.

I'm off to have a daughter (well, my wife will do the heavy lifting I guess), and despite my attempts, I couldn't convince her to name her Maxine, oh well.



Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 09:00:29 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

While I know many of you hate this, I am going to do it anyway, so
lighten up. Plus I really enjoy reading others on the Blue list's.
So here goes: Miss Marlene
Good Stuff
Planet D'Rhonda
Memorabilia
New Breed
Slinky Thing
INTSWY
Ghetto
WIMH
What a great F'CKN album!!!!!!!


Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 08:50:33 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

That WSJ article made it to Don's website...

http://donaldfagen.com/news.php


Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 05:36:16 ET
Posted by: Phil, Pau

Hi T from Avignon, talking about Claude Nobs, I went to Montreux in 1991 to see Toto, it was their last concert with Jeff Porcaro sadly. At the end of the show, a guy from the Montreux staff asked me if I could take the time to answer a few questions, one of them being "what's your dream for a concert here?". My answer was Steely Dan with an all star cast,Jeff Porcaro and Purdie on drums,Michael McDonald on backing vocals, can't remember who else I mentionned, Sanborn, Tom Scott or the Brecker brothers I suppose. The show you attended was probably brillant but I'm not sure it will be issued one day, I'm still waiting for an official release of the TOTO concert , there are bootlegs floating around but the quality is poor.
let's hope somebody will take mr Nobs place, not an easy task, it takes passion, talent and the man had a lot.
Bonne journée à Avignon
Philippe


Date: Fri, January 11, 2013, 04:23:37 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Victor. Good Stuff and Planet Drhonda fillers ?!! Never, Good Stuff is probably my favourite track on the album !!


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 23:15:19 ET
Posted by: Victor E.,

Aja1 listed:

"-My current rank of favorites:

Memorabilia
Good Stuff
New Breed
Planet D'Rhonda
Slinky Thing
Miss Marlene
INTSWY
WIMH
Ghetto"

Why are the good pop songs at the bottom at number 5 to 8? These are the most poppy songs on Sunken Condos and you said that you like pop. You posted in November that Memorabilia was a "spectacular pop tune" which to be consistent makes sense to be number 1. You have got filler at 2 to 4, with Ghetto on the very bottom where it belongs.

Would you care to explain?


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 22:53:46 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

This 1957 Tail-Fin Fiasco business has me by the tail and won't let go (mixed-metaphor alert). Where else would I have ever heard about them except on the Blue. That's why one leaves the Blue at one's peril - things will be missed. Good things.


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 19:57:29 ET
Posted by: T, Avignon, France

Very sad news.


Claude Nobs, the Montreux jazz festival’s creator died on January 10, 2013.
http://www.lematin.ch/loisirs/claude-nobs-decede/story/14848295


I still remember him on stage talking between Donald and Walter :
“I'm very happy to get them tonight for the first time in Montreux.”
“I was waiting this since a long time.”

And Donald said simply :
“Thanks to Claude Nobs…”




In remenbrance, this is my bluebook post of Montreux 2009 :

july 4, 2009
Montreux setlist :

Teenie's Blues

Reelin In The Years (new version)
Time Out of Mind
Show Biz Kids
Two Against Nature
Black Friday
Aja
Hey 19
Parker's Band
Babylon Sisters
Glamour Profession
Daddy Don't Live
Love is Like an Itchin In My Heart + intros
Josie
Peg

Encores:
Kid Charlemagne

Last Tango in Paris


The show was filmed like all the performances at Montreux Jazz Festival.
I found the whole band very concentrated.
The result was really beautiful on the two screens of the stage.
My feeling is that an official video could be a possibility in the future.
But it’s just my feeling…




Reposez en paix, Monsieur Claude Nobs.


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 18:45:50 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Wall St. Journal on Donald's birthday ..

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324461604578196090924711724.html?KEYWORDS=donald+fagen


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 18:07:49 ET
Posted by: Greg M, wp ny

<<<-Does Don put three "W's" in "Brewery" in Good Stuff? "Trucked in from a Bwewewy in east Paterson.">>

hahahahahahaha =)


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 18:06:06 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/jimmy-herring-wayne-krantz-and-michael-landau-join-forces-as-the-ringers/150239

Looks nice. Landau, Herring, Krantz, Mbappe and Carlock on tour. A dream fusion guitarfest.


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 17:40:24 ET
Posted by: Zack, London

I want to thank this very powerful special spell caster for bringing back my wife to me within 72hours.
A friend told me to contact him that you have work for her and her friends too.
I believed him and never doubted him and he has done it for me.
My wife is home and very are even more than happy.
You can email him your problems and he will treat it for you.
His email address is shrineforsolution@gmail.com
His mobile number is +2348052236135.
I am Zack,USA.


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 17:34:49 ET
Posted by: Vlad, Minsk

Vlad says Moderate Moe you are in the rights. Too much of the Steely Dan is dangerous, except for what Vlad is says there is no such things as too much Steely Dan. So there is no dangerous, yes?

Vlad has US friend that says anythings worth the doing is worth the overdoings.


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 14:46:29 ET
Posted by: JT Combs, London

For those of you that enjoyed The 1957 Tail-Fin Fiasco - They have a new tune available on Soundcloud....

Is this the only song with the word sabbatical in?


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 13:39:44 ET
Posted by: moray eel, h

Happy birthday, DF! Smoke if you got 'em.

m.e.




Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 11:40:43 ET
Posted by: Stu, F

Happy Birthday DF. To quote Jackson Browne, in '65 he was 17. Lonnie was the kingpin.

Move forward 48 years (which probably went by as quickly as Lonnie's 48 hours), and he IS 65.

Marlene is now queenpin, at 17.

Sorry, I do this to take a break from my data crunching job and can't quite turn off the analysis.




Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 09:20:27 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

After a 3 week hiatus from SC, I listened to it in full this morning. And wanted to jot down these "new" thoughts:

-Herington really was missed on Letterman. Jon and Wayne are both so good, but so different. Where Wayne plays with an almost cold precision to his jazzy licks, Jon has a warmth from his bluesy leanings that is necessary to fully enjoy WIMH. That Green Street clip someone posted from the '96 tour was a perfect example of where Wayne is the right fit.

-My current rank of favorites:
Memorabilia
Good Stuff
New Breed
Planet D'Rhonda
Slinky Thing
Miss Marlene
INTSWY
WIMH
Ghetto

-In New Breed, he is confused by the type of guy she has taken to. Describing him as an "as if" type of dude compared to his "flat-line" attitude. Wouldn't you say those describe similar types?

-Does Don put three "W's" in "Brewery" in Good Stuff? "Trucked in from a Bwewewy in east Paterson."

-While I was interested in the Atomic bomb tests at Bikini Atoll before Memorabilia, the song has brought it full circle. So I hunted down a print of the Cross Spikes Club painting (Aurthur Beaumont) from Bikini Atoll. If you haven't seen it, you might say it is a picture of some laughing Navy types.


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 05:24:52 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Happy Birthday Donald Fagen ! A true legend and songwriting genius and one half of America's greatest band. From all your fans in the UK ( many thousands ).


Date: Thurs, January 10, 2013, 02:09:15 ET
Posted by: steelydirector, East on I-10

Not quite what another Don sang about...it wasn't a Deadhead sticker, nor was it a Cadillac. But out on the road today I saw a Steely Dan sticker on a Volkswagen Beetle. It said "got steely dan?", in the style of the "got milk?" ad campaign. Good to know some of "the neighbors are listening".


Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013,  ET
Posted by: The Loyal Dandom, MacArthur Park



Happy Birthday, Donald Fagen!





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[ Cake courtesy of the late and very great Boston Rag & hoops ]


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 22:24:15 ET
Posted by: there are about nine different types of Coke and there are also about nine different Tower Theaters,


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 18:57:47 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Still Drinkin'

M-Moe. I agreed with SDV--who originally posted the article link--but also responded to to Sid, saying it was his own fault if he clicked the ink.

Chastised SDV (knowingly) and also agreed with him (one one thing).

Got it now?


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 18:33:06 ET
Posted by: moderate moe,

Dean does not realize he just insulted SDV who originally posted the coke link. Sid actually said posting it was a waste of time.

Anything in excess or extreme is dangerous. Including too much Steely Dan.

Moderation man, moderation.


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 17:27:12 ET
Posted by: SDV, zoomin'

I remember someone on here saying they grabbed Donald's can of Diet Coke as a souvenir and I'm pretty sure he at least went through a Diet phase. I kind of thought it was common knowledge of sorts that he drank it. Then he said recently in some interview that he suffers from depression that he takes medication for so I thought a funny connection was made.

I'm not really obsessed with the minutiae of Donald's life but I do hope he sticks with regular Coke. That diet shit is poison.


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 17:11:45 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Looks like a regular Coke can to me:

http://www.contactmusic.com/photo/donald_fagen_5151142

Even if it wasn't, how would some horrible research, that can't even draw a conclusion, be relevant to Steely Dan? If Don wears boxer briefs is anything about boxer briefs suddenly Dangential? Please.

I'd like to think Dan fans are a bit above the kind of strange celebrity garbage you find on many fan sites--I'd like to think that.

But you are right, SDV, we only have ourselves to blame if we waste our time clicking on these kinds of links.


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 15:37:42 ET
Posted by: JJ, X

You can spot a can of regular Coke a mile away. I've never seen him drink anything but regular. I remember at Roseland when they prepped his Fender Rhodes with a can. I practically could have reached out and taken it.


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 13:31:38 ET
Posted by: SDV, up on the hill

Don's a DietCoke man far as I know.

Sid- the gist of that was in the link itself. If you actually took the time to copy/paste and go read it, that's on you my friend.


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 12:03:05 ET
Posted by: sid,

SDV - plesae stop wasting my time with those stupid links.


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 11:07:54 ET
Posted by: Teddy, KGB

Don doesn't drink diet soda. Coke. The Real Thing.

But on the subject, if you ever decide to drive like a fool out to Hackensack, do yourself a favor and stop in here for a few burgers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9RRsUbDV0U


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 09:18:42 ET
Posted by: it's, like this

Hoops...would you care to explain?


Date: Wed, January 09, 2013, 02:30:40 ET
Posted by: SDV, drinkin his dinner

something for Donald to think about...?

http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/08/16417285-drinking-diet-soda-linked-to-depression?lite=


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 23:21:11 ET
Posted by: BTW,

Cat Russell was on Bowie's LAST studio album. I wonder if she's on the new Bowie.


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 23:20:20 ET
Posted by: BTW,

Cat Russell was on Bowie's studio album. I wonder if she's on the new Bowie.


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 22:35:01 ET
Posted by: walt on vox,

It is fun to hear Walt do some songs, but not Haitian Divorce. That is like having Walt sing Deacon Blues or Black Cow. Those are quintessential Donald songs.


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 21:00:33 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Brain, I'm with you on wanting a bit more Walter vocals--at least in concert. I'd like this for several reasons. It would allow the band to play a few songs Don would rather not sing--this helps increase the songs on the setlist. It gives Don a much needed vocal break. Don's voice gets pretty tore up over the course of a tour. And I admit, I actually like the way Walt sounds on some songs. But maybe the biggest reason is, it seems to keep Walt a bit more involved. This past tour (for whatever reasons) Walt seemed to lay back on the stage, in the mix and wasn't as active instrumentally either. I'm thinking (unless there is some physical issue) having him sing a song or two would allow him--or force him--to become a bit more involved. The way he is when the band is really on fire.

As for Bowie...the new song is OK in a laid-back cocktail song kind of way. But I have to admit I have never been a fan of DB. These guys--well, they aren't my kind of guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G4jnaznUoQ




Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 20:23:36 ET
Posted by: Bob,

I see why you posted that. Bowie's wiggly little head reminds me of Donald in Snowbound. Do you think Bowie stole from the creator of Donald's Snowbound Video? Or did Donald's video person take a time travel ship twenty years ahead and copy Bowie. (Yes, the answer is neither.)


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 20:22:44 ET
Posted by: David Bowie mentioned here at least twice today here,

even before the news flash


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 19:47:05 ET
Posted by: Thin White Duke, Berlin

...and seemingly from both nowhere and everywhere all at once,
David Bowie has returned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOyDTy9DtHQ
Happy 66th btw. (www.davidbowie.com)
Life is good.


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 15:54:51 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

Found this on Youtube today: full Steely Dan concert from 4/30/74-

http://youtu.be/nS9hj3S2h4Q

Apologies if this has been posted a billion times before.


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 14:20:21 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,



"Never thought I would say this and it COULD cause a Blue outrage, but Steely Dan, if it ever gets back together could add a whole other dimension to the repertoire by making more use of the deeper Walt voc"

This was the last sentence I wrote and the electrical power was cut off by a lightning bolt that came out of nowhere from a cloudless sky as I was about to finish it! Could have been be some anti-Walt vocal sentiment up there in the heavens. No?

I am pedaling my backup generator to finish the thought.

More use of the deeper Walt vocals on the next Dan album. Slang of Ages rates as a major favourite as that experiment worked very well on EMG.

To the contrary of that lightning bolt, there is lots of love for Walt's vocals on the Blue today.


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 13:55:20 ET
Posted by: SDV, killer moonlight

and our man hoops gets a shout-out from Walt at the end of this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUHHRx0l9IA


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 13:46:59 ET
Posted by: SDV, en-Gorged

Walt sounds pretty great on Movies too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yluqvI4EvKY


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 12:46:07 ET
Posted by: Search, k

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/burlington_county_times_news/the-donald-of-the-dan/article_edd79c10-6fda-5046-8fbb-8e2edcd50726.html


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 12:19:32 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

I would say that DF is basically a TENOR, who was heavily influenced by, and transforms his voice very well to the whiny and nasal Dylanesque tone on certain songs as required. He can also go contralto or higher like when his balls "rumble" on Miss Marlene and as well on Brite Nitegown. He has never demonstrated much in the lower registers.

Walt, I would say is a BARITONE, or maybe counter-bass, with a deeper, richer timbre. He is fairly monotone, and his high notes, (if you will) just barely overlap DF's lowest notes that he is capable of.

Between the two of them they cover a pretty wide vocal range. Never thought I would say this and it COULD cause a Blue outrage, but Steely Dan, if it ever gets back together could add a whole other dimension to the repertoire by making more use of the deeper Walt voc




Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 10:35:50 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Just a random tidbit here:

Walked into a bar/restaurant for lunch yesterday. Never been there before--wasn't sure if I'd like the joint. Van Morrison was playing on the house system as I walked in, followed by Steely Dan. Good start! For the most part the music was high-end/tastefull Classic Rock. Some I like some I can do without, but no real junk.

Anyway, the place was OK--food was fine, not great, far from bad. I might go back once in awhile just to avoid the onslaught of terrible garbage I have to endure in most places.


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 10:30:34 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Actually, I get a bit of a Dylan vibe from Walt's vocals on Cruiser. Of course the vocals of a famous BS were also compared to Dylan at one time.

It's a matter of taste, of course. But to me, the Gorge versions of Midnight Cruiser and Cash Only Island have really brightened my week. A good infusion of "new" Dan--at least new to me.


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 09:51:15 ET
Posted by: Just sayin', Q

There are many B.S's of rock & roll.

A legendary one you say... I don't think Walt sounds much like Billy Squier at all.

Daryl Hall proudly proclaimed himself the best pop singer in the business in the days when H & O were manufacturing hits.

Walt's vocals in that video are an improvement over others I've heard from the previous month of that tour. Check out Manassass.



Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 08:55:46 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

For the most part I endeavour to practice "internet neutrality" when it comes to analysis of DF/Dan/Walt Discography. But that live rendition of Midnite Cruiser kicks ASS. So to speak. I am not particularly a fan of Walt's vocals, but I couldn't turn the song off. His vocals were good and the guitar work gave it lots of punch. It was not a "skip over" (vinyl, CDs etc), a "station changer" or, in the realm of downloads, in this case a "mouse X clicker". It is all in what you like.


Even though solo DF is stellar, it is Walt and his direction that adds the steel to that rendition and to Steely Dan songs in general. And even if it is not Walt who is playing, I think he has a strong say-so with how the session guitarists are used on a Steely Dan record which distinctly sets it apart from solo DF.

Vocally, Walt does well when he has the right song, he can surprise you as he does on this rendition of Cruiser. He seems best as a "narrator" type singer, like Johnny Cash. DF is a vocal chameleon, almost like an impressionist. On SC, DF assumes a distinctly different vocal identity for each of the nine songs to match the theme. He expertly loops his own voice and harmonizes with the background vocals as needed. Having said that, neither of these guys has the natural or trained pipes of, say, a Michael McDonald or a Darryl Hall.

Walt's vocal resemblance on that rendition of Midnite Cruiser? Hadn't thought of it, but Dave Bowie, for sure, especially when Walt transitions his tone. For myself, Walt sounded like a legendary artist, whom I AM neutral about, but who shares the same initials as myself....


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 06:06:40 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

More DF Uncut excerpts (thanks Chris-nh for your thanks, I just hope others are also reading and enjoying this, it's quite hard work typing all this stuff. And thanks for your listening suggestions, that guy Louie Cole was quite a find).
Re Ageing: Q: "Why the title "Sunken Condos"?" DF: "None of the individual songs had a title that was appropriate so I came up with that after the fact. I thought it worked on different levels. An economic level, certainly. Sociological. And I thought as a metaphor for my current phase of life, it was appropriate." Q: "How?" DF: "Because I'm 64. It's a metaphor for broken dreams, in a way. Although a lot of things have worked out for me, obviously. There's a Debussy piece called "Sunken Cathedral", so I just updated that".
Q: "Do things get better as you age or do they get worse? When you released "Morph" you said you were dealing with the end of life. Was something specific making you feel that way?" DF: "No, I was just being realistic. Although I've been married for twenty years, there's a thing where I'll see a good-looking waitress in her twenties, a skinny girl with a black apron on, and know how out of the running I am. It's a realisation of how invisible I am. Not that I was ever very lucky in that regard, but just knowing how invisible I am, to me, that's one of the worst things about ageing. It's like that Woody Allen line about the death of hope. You always figure you got a shot. Then all of a sudden you don't. This is all in my head, of course."
Q: "You're one of the few artists who actually addresses the subject of ageing." DF: "I've read all Philip Roth's books and I can't get away from it. Yeah."
(There was a recent Wall Street Journal article that compares (favorably) DF vs the Rolling Stones regarding ageing, including examples of lyrics -the link is somewhere below-, and, interestingly, this is what DF himself has to say about the "ever so youthful" RS:)
Q: "You said you go see the Stones and they're still acting like adolescents, prancing around. Is that a bad thing?" DF: "No, no. I love it. They're great. Mick Jagger puts himself to the wringer to do that. I saw him perform at one of these R'n'R Hall of Fame things. I saw him before he went on and he looked like a deflated balloon or something. Then when it came time for him to perform he immediately became 22 years old. It looked supernatural, the way that he transformed. It was one of these terrible things that they used to do at these events, where they had twelve bass players on the stage, and the band was just a mess. But when he started singing, it sounded like a band all of a sudden. He forced them to become a band because of his phrasing and his body language. Then at the end, he went off the side of the stage and I saw him collapse back into this deflated balloon. It was unbelievable, all these wrinkles suddenly reappeared in his face. I was really impressed that he could do that."
Q: "Is ageing in this business easier for people like you and Walter, who were seen as a cerebral, snarky band?" DF: "Walter and I always were, for better or worse, exactly that. Coming out of the Beat era with Ginsberg and Norman Mailer, I think for whatever reason it would have been impossible to masquerade as something we're not. So I think we're just more honest about everything. Even this."


Date: Tues, January 08, 2013, 04:22:55 ET
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Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 22:05:24 ET
Posted by: SDV, uptown

Krantz and Ambrose especially really kicked the shows into high gear in '96. They were both just on fire! I know a lot of people found Krantz a little over-the-top but I love it. He's definitely toned down his playing since then. I still like what I hear, but I wish he'd been in "shred mode" a little more on Letterman.

I think Art Crimes is my favorite tour, and I'm LOVING this Gorge soundboard. After listening to the Manassas show at least 1000 times, it's so great to hear another show of equal sound quality. The Black Cows are so different from eachother, thanks to Ambrose and Beasley.


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 21:42:48 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

These Gorge songs are pretty exciting. I mean, I've got a stack but I don't have this.

Tightest version I've heard of this one. Krantz just killing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRtJB2fvfhI


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 20:58:49 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, still unseen

Different strokes folks. I love the arrangement on the '96 Midnight Cruiser, especially the solo section with Walt n Wayne trading off. Great dynamics. I'm a huge fan of the 90s rewrites of things like Reelin, Rikki, Movies, etc. Wish they were still doing 'em like that.

thanks for the Cash Only lyrics. I was pretty close. Figured out the house phone line right after I posted... so mid-90s! Sue Ann McCaffery? Don't think I'd have ever guessed that.

It's cool to see how the unreleased tunes got recycled a bit and turned into other things. A line here a theme there. Parts of Cash Only ended up in Negative Girl and Green Book i suppose.


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 20:19:34 ET
Posted by: midnight cruiser,

The rearranged chords and arrangement ain't so good on this live version.
Is Walt channeling Willie Nelson?


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 20:15:25 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

@Brain Strainer.

Gotta disagree i'm afraid.Much as i love Walter his pitching here is somewhat,umm,idiosyncratic shall we say?

The band is sweet though :.)

For some strange reason i heard a touch of Bowie in there though.

How wrong can this poster get?...lol

cheers.


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 20:13:30 ET
Posted by: better than studio version?,

Brain Strainer, are you sure you want to trash your reputation over Midnight Cruiser live? The studio version is classic and cold.


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 20:08:12 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Gotta disagree. This is BETTER than the original studio record.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=R6ZjN0H0XgA

Better yet, with what legendary artist would you say he resembles vocally, at least on this tune?


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 18:49:48 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

To SS Thanks for the comment about Canineteen. I knew it was corny to say the least but it just came out of my stupid head so I wrote it down. I guess Steely by itself is indeed a great dog name if its a male. Hows about Dilldog???? OK ,,,I'll stop


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 18:08:39 ET
Posted by: cash only lyrics,

Sue Ann is zoomin'… slow Friday night
she bops down to pheromone city where the vibe is right
Double-clicks the icon, and waits for juice, salt spray hits,
she's thinkin' well does anybody have a right to feel this loose?

Crazy beaches, killer moonlight
Cash Only Island, 'cause it's your lucky night
let's take a hayride, great hall of fun
Sue Ann McCaffery… let Telly show you what you've won!

It's a tiki party, in the bison room
the band sings Wooly Bully how I love that tune
Don't forget Telly, you tell yourself no way
2 or 3 double margas and the big jerk starts to look ok

Crazy beaches, killer moonlight
Cash Only Island, 'cause it's your lucky night
let's take a hayride, great hall of fun
Sue Ann McCaffery… let Telly show you what you've won!

Night is quiet, a good rain comes
Can't you hear the distant thumping of the Cash Only Island drum?
Swell is rising, the lava starts to flow
Pick up the house phone honey, and hold for mo', hold for mo'


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 16:58:20 ET
Posted by: toni,

Oh sorry i guess i mixed the two guys up. My fault. I always think Fagen is the best one two sing the Dan songs he just got that special something however i would sometimes like him to be a bit more careful because with growing age he tends to sing of key. Why not take a step back and let the girls sing the high tunes? In my opinion Becker always tries to hard he always tries to be melodic which he undoubtedly can not be. It would be great if he handled the vocals more like on his albums. As i already said i love his singing on CM its really cool and laid back i always wonder why he does not achieve that on tour. By the way whats your favorite track from CM? Mine is Sombodys Saturday Night


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 16:43:43 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, somewhere the same

Walter's not a great singer, he's the first to admit it. He is very expressive however, which is more than you can say for a lot of folks. I like the '96 take on Midnight Cruiser, but I remember my old sweetheart couldn't bear to listen to it and she LOVED Steely Dan.

I really love the way Walt & Don duetted on Everyone's Gone To The Movies that same tour. Very cool and the horn chart kicks ass. Walter sang more backups on that tour as well. You can hear him pretty prominently on Rikki and Cash Only Island among others.

Speaking of Cash Only Island... Dean I agree. I never could get into it because the only version I ever heard was horrible sound quality. Now it's my new favorite Dan tune.

here's what I got for lyrics. someone help!

CASH ONLY ISLAND

Sue Ann is zoomin'… slow Friday night
she bops down to pheromone city where the vibe is right
Double-clicks the icon, awaits the juice, salt spray hits,
she's thinkin' well does anybody have a right to feel this loose?

Crazy beaches, killer moonlight
Cash Only Island, 'cause it's a lucky night
let's take a hayride, great haul of fun
Sue Ann it can't be… let Janis show you what you've won!

It's a tiki party, in the bison room
the band sings Wooly Bully how I love that tune
??? ??? you tell yourself no way
2 or 3 double margas and the big jerk starts to look ok

Crazy beaches, killer moonlight
Cash Only Island, 'cause it's a lucky night
let's take a hayride, great haul of fun
Sue Ann it can't be… let Janis show you what you've won!

Night is quiet, a good rain comes
Can't you hear the distant thumping of the Cash Only Island drum?
Swell is rising, the lava starts to flow
Pick up ??? ???


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 15:47:02 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Heading to the Manatee Bar

Toni.

#1. When did David Palmer sing Midnight Cruiser? Jim Hodder sang it on Can't Buy a Thrill.

#2. I absolutely LOVE the Becker version, in total. The vocals are raw, to be sure, but are just awesome with the backup singers. The arrangement and instrumentation are out of this world. And to be honest, I like what Walter does with it vocally. It's a great song for him to sing and I wish he did it more often in concert.


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 15:11:02 ET
Posted by: Greg M, white plains ny

Love this msg board, but the old blue color was a bit easier on the eyes.

New Carlock newsletter is out. Lots of Krantz and Oz Noy dates.


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 13:23:24 ET
Posted by: Abe, U

Where's there a David Palmer version of this song I can hear for comparison?


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 12:35:05 ET
Posted by: toni,

WARNING DO NOT WATCH IF YOU BELIVE STEELY DAN IS PERFECT

Haha look what I found the worst Steely Dan track ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=R6ZjN0H0XgA
I do not like this tune anyway, but Walter singing it is even more horrible than David Palmers. Nothing against Walter he is ok on Haitian divorce or Monkey in your soul and I like his singing on Circus Money quite a lot but when he realy tries to sing its really horrible. I like his "speech singing" a lot more than his real singing.


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 12:08:26 ET
Posted by: Josh L,

Did you play trumpet on It Only Takes a Minute?


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 11:53:54 ET
Posted by: amateurs,

So just to get the definition straight, when Donald muffs a note or forgets a lyric, or when Walter misses a chord change during a solo, those are amateur mistakes along the lines of Jimmy V rushing a sixteenth note figure in a live TV performance?


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 11:53:48 ET
Posted by: there are about nine Tower theaters,


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 10:34:24 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Shark, Thanks for the Cash Only Island link. I have never heard that recording and until now was never that crazy about the tune (as I have only heard low quality, spare versions). But WOW that was a game changer for me. Extremely well done, great arrangement and with all the accoutrements.


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 10:31:22 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Fan o Dan -

Trumpet and keyboards.


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 10:30:53 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

near the famous TOWER Theater


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 10:29:28 ET
Posted by: Steely Jacques, Paris

La Tour Eiffel


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 10:14:13 ET
Posted by: Abbie,

Thanks for the heads up.

BTW, which tower are you near, Sears, Trump?


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 09:19:21 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

the film "Gaslight" is on Turner Classic Movies this morning at 930AM.....


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 04:08:37 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Bikeman, Canineteen is really funny.

Easily shortened to 'K.'

It's not my dog, but if there were a vote, that's where I'd put mine.


Date: Mon, January 07, 2013, 03:35:43 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, let's take a hayride

forgive me if this is old news but there's a killer-sounding version of Cash Only Island up on youtube, from the '96 tour. Anyone know all the words?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6bgD9Ve7io


Date: Sun, January 06, 2013, 18:39:01 ET
Posted by: Fan o Dan,

Brutus

I agree regarding the Lisa Loeb cover, amateur mistake. What instrument do you play?


Date: Sun, January 06, 2013, 15:58:00 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa

Last weekend on Sirius on the "Deep Tracks" channel, the announcer said "...and up next the Dan of Steel and they have a tour planned for 2013..and here is "Haitian Divorce".
I do enjoy "Deep Tracks", but spend most of my team listening to Howard (Stern) when I'm driving.
"Steely Dan" comes up every now and then on the show mostly because Howard busts Gary's (ol' Baby Booey himself) balls about being obsessed with Steely Dan. Great show, great show !!!


Date: Sun, January 06, 2013, 15:04:14 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Dog name? Canineteen?


Date: Sun, January 06, 2013, 14:01:14 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

So BS is a frat guy?


Date: Sun, January 06, 2013, 13:22:07 ET
Posted by: No, surprise !

Ha Ha - no-one that anal was ever gonna have a 'way with the ladies', right ?


Date: Sun, January 06, 2013, 12:13:04 ET
Posted by: Maher, mmm

"a dumb but likeable bitch."

That's your Brain Strainer, boys.


Date: Sun, January 06, 2013, 00:31:35 ET
Posted by: Kasey, K

The Cashbox chart positions could be bought. There was even a murder case surrounding it.

http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashville/with-a-bullet/Content?oid=1187405


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 23:42:24 ET
Posted by: toni,

@fagenism
Thanks for the interview!
@ Michael
Fagen once said that he always thought Walter was better at taking time of.


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 23:37:49 ET
Posted by: prof.Dan, at memorobilia U.

re- Billboard chart positions for Steely Dan/Fagen albums


Billboard has a long history of underplacing Steely related items....

Can't Buy A Thrill #17 on Billboard ....#7 on Record World
Show biz Kids #61 Billboard #31 on Cashbox
Peg #11 Billboard # 8 cashbox

...for Fagen.....IGY wasn;t even a Top 20 hit on Billboard...but hit #5 on many radio charts...
Kamakiriad hit #3 on Cashbox.....#10 on Billboard....

I gave up on Billboard for good when 'Personal Jesus' by Depeche Mode was certified Gold...as a cd single circa 1991...but never went above #30 on the Hot 100....i found out later that it was actually the top selling single in the US for 3 weeks.....so no US #1 for Mode....

of course Billboard also saw fit to put Macarena at #1 for 16 WEEEKSSSSSS! in 1996....rest my case


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 21:05:05 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,


"Steely Dan, HE was on Sirius XM Radio yesterday"

So I was told by a neighbor friend. She could not remember which channel since she is an annoying channel surfer as well as being a dumb but likeable bitch. She usually listens to Spectrum, Classic Rewind and The Bridge so it was probably one of those channels.

From what I could drag out of her, DF was interviewed. I believe they played two or three cuts off of SC. She mentioned that "Steely Dan" "he" has put out a new album that "crystallizes" what is going on in his life now". I believe what she heard was stated by DF what characterizes SC as being in contrast to what was put forth in the Fagen Trilogy. She could not be making this stuff up.

What is important here is that SC, and this corresponds to what PETE EVANS of the UK has been reporting, is still getting attention and quite possibly is gaining traction. I hadn't heard any of the SC tunes before being told this, but then again, I don't spend many hours per day listening to Sirius XM it is mostly when I am driving.

So stay tuned, so to speak...


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 13:48:17 ET
Posted by: Jezzoh, Manchester UK

Puppy name? Morph the dog!


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 10:54:24 ET
Posted by: Michael,

I dig the new, brighter BG color.

What's Donald been up to lately, besides interviews? Has Walter become a hermit or something?


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 10:45:43 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Thanks, fagenism.

I remember this interview--you posted it some time back. I had forgotten. Once again, great job and thanks for the effort. Thanks to JH, too.


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 10:19:07 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Greg/Dean:

Sorry about that, here is a proper link:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/78948039/sunken_condos_herington.pdf


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 09:23:33 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

fagenism,

I get an error at your dropbox link (and I am actually signed in).

I love SS's "Kruger" suggestion. I used to have a cat named "Fagen". A little obvious, I know.


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 05:51:36 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Sure, Fagenism.

Kruger, as in Dr. Warren Kruger.


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 05:23:14 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

As I mentioned the other day, SC currently 38 and 40 on Amazon yet nowhere to be seen in either the Billboard 200 or UK 100. Wierd !Anyone know why ? I guess they don't use Amazon ! SC getting great airplay now in the UK on radio 2. I reckon it's down to me and my protests in October ! Can I have some commission please Don !!


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 05:08:59 ET
Posted by: fagenism, -

Greg:

Herington interview:

https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/sunken_condos_herington.pdf?w=e0e23aa7

There was very little interest in a proper AMA type interview, which is why that never happened.

*

Ideas for a Dan infused puppy name, anyone?


Date: Sat, January 05, 2013, 03:03:01 ET
Posted by: oh brutus,

Brutus, you ask me to *refrain from making lame and ignorant comments* about your musical experiences. As it happens, you are not the only one here with a touring/studio/sight-reading history. So no need to preempt 'cuz it's all respect for the players, one of whom I used to be (but Chicago based, late '70s/early '80s, not NYC).

I was just highly amused by your ranting and attack on Jimmy. I thought we were seeing a good thing - an artist covering a Steely tune live with a studio band, and seeing the guys read the charts down live, errors and all. I enjoyed it a lot. Jimmy rushed the figure as you said, La Bamba pissed himself on the into 'bone part, and the horn arrangement wasn't great. So what. They were up there doing it for real and it was cool. So I found your comments *lame* and your lack of respect *ignorant*. I guess we're even.

And thanks for the Kahn links. Good stuff there.

And you can back off Lurker. Internet intimidation is boring. But I'll buy you a beer if you're ever in my neighborhood.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 23:07:12 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, up on the hill

What is jazz about Dirty Work? try the horn chart for starters. And a solo by the great Jerome Richardson. Same guy they used on Parker's Band. look him up.

What is straight-forward country about Brooklyn... the steel guitar? the song dates back several years and can be found on the old demo tapes. It's wasn't country then and the fact that Skunk added pedal steel didn't suddenly make it so.

Dallas, With a Gun, and Pearl of the Quarter would have to be the most "country" Dan tunes, while Cousin Dupree is simply a "rural narrative".

And let's not forget Donald's love of Hee-Haw and Buck Owens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iu44_pvOSI


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 21:14:23 ET
Posted by: Jeanine,

To Brutus

I am interested about Tavares and anything you know about them. They were Caribbean or South African, not from the US. Did you play guitar? They used lots of strings, violins, flutes and horns. Thank you.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 20:37:44 ET
Posted by: Do you remember, or did they tell you to forget?,


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 20:28:59 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Sorry, here's the link:

http://www.stevekhan.com/korner1.htm


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 20:27:47 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

For those of you who are interested, here's a link to Steve K.'s Solo and Analysis Page:

http://www.stevekhan.com/howhigh1.htm


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 20:26:15 ET
Posted by: Don't Take Away The Music,

@Brutus Charisma

Tell us about TAVARES. I was way into them back in the day,


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 20:19:00 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Oh Brutus -

I will not condemn J. Vivino as a fine guitar player. That said, I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's not a solid sight-reader/reader. By this I mean if I place an actual NON-CHORD, strictly single-line melody w/ rhythm part in front of him (like a trumpet, sax or 'bone player's part) that was of advanced difficulty he'd struggle with it. Larry Carlton, Steve Khan, Jay Graydon, etal, mainly studio musicians (which means they can read fly-shit w/ astounding accuracy AT FIRST GLANCE (aka sight-reading), would never rush that rhythmic figure or similar double-time feel figures.

Believe me, even notated funk rhythms are a bitch to play accurately, relaxedly and in the slot/pocket. I've played in a few touring bands (The Ice Capades, B&B Circus, The Temptations and Tavares, etc.) where musicians have to genre-flex/bend like crazy (esp. in The Ice Capades and, yes, even moreso in the The B&B Circus Band. *OH BRUTUS please refrain from making lame and ignorant comments about the B&B Circus music. Playing that show accurately and CONSISTENTLY was a bitch for even the NYC guys.)

Personally I have great respect for a player like Larry C. and Steve K. who are terrific readers. Please visit Steve K.'s wesite for some amazingly accurate solo transcriptions to see how this guy can read/notate his ass off.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 20:14:03 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Mr. Urfe,

Thanks for that great WSJ article. It was spot on, although I admit I can still listen to CSN a bit--of all the music of that era I'm not quite sure why he picked them.

I had to pass it along to many SD loving friends.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 19:53:50 ET
Posted by: Snakehips,

Sorry, it was Hey _________.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 19:50:32 ET
Posted by: Snakehips,

Jeopardy clue today: Steely Dan: ----- Nineteen. Nobody got it. Sad.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 19:30:33 ET
Posted by: Caesar,

With a Gun is a superb song, what was called Country and Western, a term not heard much anymore. Specifically it was more Western, like Charlie Daniels or Commander Cody. Also excellent, Major Dude I would say is folk rock, with a Western tinge. Brooklyn is probably the most classic straight-forward country song they have done. Even so, I'd say it is in the same vein as the country rock that the Eagles and maybe Alabama have put out. Palmer sounds like Tim B.Schmitt or Glen Frey on lead vocals and the background harmonies are classic twangy country. Dirty Work is not jazzy at all, not hearing any of that. Where in the song is this jazz? If it existed Dirty Work might have some redeeming musical value.

Having said that, Dirty Work was and remains horrible regardless of who (including The Who) covers it.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 19:07:09 ET
Posted by: oh brutus,

Hey Lurker, yes sir, I'll move right along.
I've suffered through Brutus' opinions here as long as anyone, and don't see a problem with countering the drivel about Jimmy V not being able to "read or understand rhythm" or whatever the heck he was on about. Brutus didn't like the performance, ok. But his opinion of the musician are not correct, even if the performance was off.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 18:37:47 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, in its corner

I don't hear anything country-folk about Dirty Work. From the Rhodes piano intro to the cool sax of Jerome Richardson, it's an early attempt at adding a little jazz flavor to a straight-ahead pop tune. Nowhere near their best work, but there's nothing really wrong with it. I'd love to hear Donald sing it... wonder if he ever cut a demo.

try Dallas or better yet, Jones by Thomas Jefferson Kaye. Don & Walt could do country-folk when they wanted to, and do it quite well.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 18:33:44 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

From todays Wall Street Journal - an article entitled "How to be an Aging Rocker," about DF.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324461604578196090924711724.html?KEYWORDS=donald+fagen


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 18:30:46 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Still Drinkin'

Oops, bad cut and paste on the quote in the first paragraph. I'm sure you can figure it out, though.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 18:29:15 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Oh Caesar, of course you are entitled to your opinion on the quality of the song, as is everyone. But if you "I didn't realize it was Steely Dan" I have to question your knowledge of the band's music.

As for your pronouncement"They were forced to write a country folk song which was in vogue at the time" I'm fairly sure you are dead wrong on this. This was their first album and there was about zero expectations from it. Had you said the same about With a Gun or Any Major Dude, your suspicion might have a bit more credence (not Clearwater Revival, mind you). Still even then I think you would be misguided.

Don and Walt have pretty much stayed away form their very early work and rarely play tunes they don't like. The mere fact that Dirty Work is a staple in their touring repertoire suggests they like the tune enough to keep playing it. I doubt that would be the case if they simply released it due to pressure from the record company.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 16:14:46 ET
Posted by: Oh Caesar, latin spelling

Dirty Work was bad when they made it and it hasn't gotten any better, no matter WHO does it. It is so bad that when I first heard it years later I didn't realize it was Steely Dan when a radio DJ announced it. They were forced to write a country folk song which was in vogue at the time to stick on the album, it went nowhere and deservedly so. Don and Walt swallowed it because they were a fledgling act trying to get started. In retrospect it was a wise move to get rid of Palmer as the vocalist and the schmaltzy Dirty Work alone is powerful prima facie evidence to support that move.

The fact that they even continue to perform Dirty Work is puzzling and must be attributed to the need to pander to the casual fans, and to feature the female backround singers to air out their tonsils.

Dirty Work is squarely in the category of very few SD songs that if they dare to perform it again live in 2013, I will get up and leave for a beer or pee break.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 14:04:07 ET
Posted by: Lurker,

oh brutus, if you had been following Brutus's posts here for the last few years you would know that he's anything but a "silly armchair quarterback". Now let it go because you're dead wrong.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 13:36:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

When CBAT was first released Dirty Work got a lot of play and I admit I really liked it a LOT. I still like it, but it is no longer one of my favorite SD tunes. Still, in concert, as a vehicle for one of the gals or a guest singer, it work well, IMO.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 13:33:21 ET
Posted by: job, free

The quasi-hit status of Dirty Work in the SD canon perplexes me. It never did anything for me. I remember in the 80s a local soft rock station would play an hour of greatest hits by various artists. For SD they played 12 songs. All 10 of their top 40 hits, IGY (also top 40), and Dirty Work. Phoebe Snow loved it. It's one of the few early tracks they don't mind breaking out live. It's been well covered. I don't get it.


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 10:07:18 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I think the discussion about Jimmy V's keyboard intro for Lisa L is a bit overheated and misguided. Nevertheless I will join in with my own meaningless opinion of what is going on.

Clearly the keyboard into is odd, and not in the rhythm to which we are accustomed. I think the question here is whether Jimmy V lacks rhythmic ability on keyboard, purposefully played it that specific way or simply flubbed the intro. I'm inclined to believe the latter. I think he was attempting to do a little something, but didn't pull it off successfully--or at least to the liking of many here. I think the least likely explanation is that he lacks the rhythmic ability as that is without question, IMO. The fact that he is really a guitar player (not a keyboard player) might explain why a risk didn't pay off, but it is unlikely he lost his rhythmic sense on another instrument. Just IMO of course.

In case you haven't heard/seen it yet, here is LL's acoustic version of Dirty Work. No keyboard intro, but one might argue they flubbed the rhythm of the guitar intro here. But clearly that is an artistic choice in this case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXbXTqtiAqM


Date: Fri, January 04, 2013, 01:29:10 ET
Posted by: oh brutus,

Foot in my mouth? How does that cliche apply here?

Anyway, Brutus is not right about anything. Brutus thinks the part should be played with a different feel, and Jimmy V obviously does not agree. Even if Jimmy V was having a bad day, I'd rather have him in my band than a silly armchair quarterback.


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 23:01:56 ET
Posted by: Lurker,

Oh Brutus - Leave Brutus alone. He's right and you're wrong. Stop putting your foot in your mouth.


Brutus - That's correct. Jimmy Vivino stated out as a keyboard player but quickly abandoned the instrument because he felt inadequate compared to other keyboard players out there. He felt that he had a much better chance of making it as a guitar player. He seemed to have made the right choice.


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 22:33:31 ET
Posted by: oh brutus,

Yeah, should have been you up there instead of Jimmy. That's gotta hurt. You should have played the trombone part too - Jim Pugh would never have read and understood that rhythm so badly.


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 20:28:18 ET
Posted by: Greg M, ny

<<Here's hoping the person who won those reel to reels on ebay is of a sharing nature.>>

Right! I can only imagine a 24-bit capture from a device with a nice clean tapehead. How great would that be?


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 18:52:22 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Here's hoping the person who won those reel to reels on ebay is of a sharing nature.


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 18:34:22 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

As far as I know Jimmy V.'s first and foremost a fine guitarist, not keyboardist.


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 18:30:48 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Dear Oh Brutus-

Bullshit. He rushed the rhythmic figure. Period. Ask any musician to listen to that and see what he/she says.

4
4 quarter note/ quarter note/ quarter note/ 2 beamed sixteenth notes/ sixteenth rest/ sixteenth note/ (Next measure same rhythm)

It's the last sixteenth note leading to the first beat of the next measure that he's rushing. Playing that figure accurately separates the inexperienced players from the more experienced players.


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 16:36:06 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

A couple of posts deleted from the past couple of house--I don't have an email for the poster.

Heated debate is not only possible but essential to a forum like this for it to be truly genuine. But it's another thing for unnecessary and excessive nastiness--bad for our whole community. One can disagree without 'tude. There's a couple of other posts from another single poster that suffer from the same bad 'tude. Your point can be well made (even better made) without the nastiness.

Knock it off. Fly low. Be cool.

Jim


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 15:11:35 ET
Posted by: by the way brutus,

That's Jimmy Vivino playing keyboards there. Jimmy Vivino was the original guitarist in the Rock n Roll Soul Revue. So he's personally toured with both Donald and Walter doing Steely Dan tunes live. I think that means he already passed the rhythmic thingy you were on about.


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 14:44:28 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Whilst enjoying the remnants of my Christmas holiday I notice Sunken Condos still respectably in the top 75 of both US and UK Amazon best sellers lists, yet for some reason not in the Billboard 200 ! Seems a big discrepancy ? Do Amazon not get included in the sales list data for UK and US charts ?


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 12:53:43 ET
Posted by: Jim caswell, riverdale ny

hey len -

spend your nickel on gaga -


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 10:46:07 ET
Posted by: Quake, TV

There's a wretched TV rendition of IGY in which non other than the Don himself played keyboards.


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 10:01:09 ET
Posted by: oh brutus,

Um, yeah, the keyboardist in Conan's band does not "READ AND UNDERSTAND RHYTHMIC NOTATION", like the notation he is reading and understanding there in the video.
Your taste in feel is different than his, that's all. You forgot to put the links for your nationally televised readings of Steely tunes with superior reading and understanding of rhythmic notation. Look forward to it.


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 09:26:46 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

RE: Lisa Loeb's version of Dirty Work: Listen to how the electric piano (Wurly) player rushes the repeated syncopated rhythmic phrase over and over again in the intro. To a profesional musician this is a disturbing thing. SD would never tolerate rhythmic inaccuracies like that - never.

Rhythmic accuracy is a great part of what makes SD a treat for musicians. Great "feel" and groove are only made better if you can READ AND UNDERSTAND RHYTHMIC NOTATION. ALL OF SD'S DRUMMERS: GADD, PURDIE, MAROTTA, ETAL., CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND RHYTHMIC NOTATION. Not to mention all of SD's keyboardists: Grolnick, Sample, Omartian, etal. are/were all terrific readers/musicians.


Date: Thurs, January 03, 2013, 07:34:27 ET
Posted by: DonBreithaupt, Toronto

Oops, didn't notice it was a secure link. Rick Such of Inside Musicast picked Headquarters (my latest Monkey House release) as his album of the year for 2012. Sunken Condos is also on the list!


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 22:53:04 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains NY

Did we ever get Jon Herington to answer the questions we wrote in?
Thanks.


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 21:50:24 ET
Posted by: len, roanoke

They better do something different in 2013 before I spend another nickel on them.


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 21:37:45 ET
Posted by: condo bass players,

Current issue of Bass Player magazine does a "round-table" (including live by phone) interview of the 5 bass players on Sunken Condos, with Michael L. standing in for Donald's pseudo keyboard bass player Harlan Post.


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 19:57:55 ET
Posted by: Darius M.,

There will probably not be much of a Steely Dan tour in 2013. Donald is already committed to the Dukes of September for about six months according to the latest information. And unless this 2013 tour includes some rarities, maybe some Walter tunes, Nightfly and Kamakiriad stuff mostly all of which has never been played live, and especially Sunken Condos material I am not going. We know that Donald can't go solo and sell enough tickets, but he has tons of material to crank into maybe half of a Steely Dan show.
We do not need another rehash of Steely Dan hits and bogus covers like that Mock Turtle song type bullshit.


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 19:08:22 ET
Posted by: Dan Fan,

Fagan was quoted in People magazine last month that Steely Dan will indeed be touring this spring/summer. Expect the unveiling of the tour soon.


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 18:37:04 ET
Posted by: W1P, Washington Zoo

Watching CNN during the Fiscal Cliff humor yesterday (the college football games sucked) and they throw it to a remote shot of Joe Biden leaving a sandwich shop while the reporters shout questions at him. Playing on the speakers at this shop? My Old School!


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 18:29:43 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

I have yet to hear anything official about a 2013 SD tour, but Don has mentioned they will be touring this coming summer on several occasions.

Don B, that link goes nowhere for me.


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 18:26:25 ET
Posted by: Slim Whitman Jr., New York

Huh? Did I miss something here? Who mentioned anything about a Steely Dan tour for 2013?


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 15:53:00 ET
Posted by: Ready And Waiting, Florida

Steely Dan 2013 tour dates tba soon? I hope they don't bypass us this time.


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 13:48:45 ET
Posted by: sid,

Don - Who's Rick Such? Don't tell me...he was the best man at your wedding?


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 12:32:42 ET
Posted by: CC, S

Did they get their 2 million?

http://tinyurl.com/aulecjp


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 11:01:58 ET
Posted by: franklin, tt

I also read in a blog by dave dimartino that they played dog eat dog in 72


Date: Wed, January 02, 2013, 10:51:17 ET
Posted by: DonBreithaupt, Toronto

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151211944120835&set=a.50285765834.63032.714560834&type=1&theater


Date: Tues, January 01, 2013, 23:33:28 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, Biscayne Bay

very interesting ebay find. apparently features several different mixes of Parker's Band and Any Major Dude. it's rather alarming how many times he mentions that the tape can be reused and recorded over! god forbid.


Date: Tues, January 01, 2013, 21:20:07 ET
Posted by: Giles of the River, @Dunhilll Records

re- 1972-1973 Steely Dan live songs...

if you can track down that old interview with the LA Free Press....the writer..mentions them performing 'Pearl of the Quarter" at a 1972 concert...Palmer on vocals I presume

also it just makes common sense that they performed all of the first album in 1972 and early 1973....
they used to do 'Change of the Guard' as an encore....
apparently at a concert in Salt Lake City in 1973 they performed a lot of new tracks...ie non-CBAT...that the reviewer did not like...will try to tack down that article


old days on ebay again.... where are these tape coming from???

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scotch-Master-reel-to-reel-Tape-STEELY-DAN-for-REVOX-AMPEX-AKAI-TEAC-/261147973430?pt=Music_Other_Formats&hash=item3ccda1d736


Date: Tues, January 01, 2013, 18:44:46 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

To fwiw, re: Coldplay sound check.


I will refrain from passing judgement on your attending a Coldplay show, if you share what song/songs from SC were sound checked.

:#)

Just teasin on the Coldplay crack, but am very interested in what SC songs were played.

Happy Fucking New Year to all here at The Blue.


Date: Tues, January 01, 2013, 17:39:34 ET
Posted by: fwiw, Brooklyn in da house!!

Coldplay had their sound guy play SC after/ to finalize their soundcheck the other night in the new Barclays Center in Brooklyn. Wow, pumped up the volume and the band was rockin' and a bobbin' to the tunage. Great concert btw.


Date: Tues, January 01, 2013, 11:23:47 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Sunny SoBe

Any World Live

Donald gave it try on the opening
night of the 2006 Summer Tour with
Mike McD in Sudstown but apparently
wasn't "feeling it".

My two favorite versions were when
he had Jeff Young sing it a month
and half later for only 2 shows,
San Diego & Soboba. The only two
shows without Mike that year and
the last two shows to feature the
"1st Set - Intermission - 2nd Set"
format.

Thanks for the "This All Too Mobile
Home" link. Nice to have another
souvenir of my favorite show.

If you use this link and splice the
audio, you get a great rendition of
the whole encore in all of it's glory
that unforgettable night in NYC. And
sadly missing from the audience capture
that night. The new audio is very nice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxyhhl6QJNs

I hope everyone here has a wonderful,
healthy & prosperous new year.


Date: Tues, January 01, 2013, 08:54:35 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Happy new year. Here's hoping for a new SD album.


Date: Tues, January 01, 2013, 08:52:38 ET
Posted by: Hep Tones,

To all on the Blue, and especially Hoops, THANK YOU, and a Happy & Healthy 2013 to all!


Date: Mon, December 31, 2012, 23:08:40 ET
Posted by: irving , azoff

leaving live nation - wonder if he'll keep managing steely dan?
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-irving-azoff-exits-live-nation-20121231,0,5264112.story


Date: Mon, December 31, 2012, 19:20:14 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

I hope all my friends on the Blue have a Happy New Year filled with good music, good friends, good libations and Peace. Hoops, thanks so much for all you do. You're a dedicated soul my friend!

It's been a great year with the release of Sunken Condos and news of a Steely Dan tour in the Summer so things are good.

We've lost a lot of great musicians this year. The list seems longer than usual. I think though that Donald and Walter are in their prime right now and we have a lot more good music to experience in the near future.


Date: Mon, December 31, 2012, 11:43:56 ET
Posted by: FF, X

Other clues to support Blue Girl's theory.

Hoop earrings.
Jim, you're on a deadly spree.


Date: Mon, December 31, 2012, 11:42:45 ET
Posted by: Big Fan, at home - Snowbound

The best source for 70s SD concert dates is here:
http://www.broberg.pp.se/sd_concerts.htm

In terms of availability we're not allowed to talk about that here for unreleased concerts.

I have to assume since they haven't been taken down the two concerts available at the Concert Vault are OK. Both recorded by Dinkie Dawson - who I got to meet once seeing Denny Dias play in RI. These are excellent soundboard recordings.

Rainbow Theatre (London, England) May 20, 1974 and Paramount Theatre Seattle (Seattle, WA) July 1, 1974. Of course there is the official B side recording of Bodhisattva.

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/concerts/search.html?t=steely%20dan&tb=0




Date: Mon, December 31, 2012, 11:40:25 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

not sure if this is has been posted before - This All Too Mobile home from the rarities show.

Not pictured: me, doing far too many fist-pumps.

http://vimeo.com/29217118


Date: Mon, December 31, 2012, 10:52:59 ET
Posted by: Bluegirl,

I think that Sunken Condos is a nod to the Bluebook by Donald. He has made no other albums with such a rich blue color. he probably started with the blue color idea and then came up with a title that would go with that deep blue.


Date: Mon, December 31, 2012, 06:11:19 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, in the condo, with extended snorkel

Thanks for all interesting links and music tips of lately.

Especially Denton,TX-based Snarky Puppy has got a new big fan in Norway.
Thanks to Philippe for opening that particular door!

And finally, A Happy New Year to all Bluebookers & Dandomists!


\m/(^_^)\m/



Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 23:19:08 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

The spam narratives should be gone now for a while. Thanks for your patience and special thanks to Dean.

Been down the past ten days with an illness not unlike the one Hillary Clinton has been reported to have, without, of course, the concussion and subsequent, ahem, "brain hemorrhage." So will be catching up on some things. "Twenty Years of" --- You are right---the peeps thing is about 10 years too old and is long, long overdue for a change; however, do keep in mind that the Blue is only 11 years old; It's what is today's Dandom Digest that turns 20 in March. While this place has fast paced updates, the Digest reaches a much, much larger Steely Dan fan audience of well over 3,000. The next Dandom Digest covers the month of December and goes out tomorrow afternoon or so, Dec 31, Chicago time. So if you have something that needs in...

"Spaghetti" -- People don't think "Miss Marlene" sounds like "IGY"--just a certain riff that is especially prominent in the beginning and throughout the groove.

Moresz latersz. Fly low and be cool........Thanks.


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 21:57:32 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,

That Miss Marlene question would probably qualify as a "hemorrhager" rather than a strainer. i was watching Bob's Burgers or Family Guy when it came out.

I'd call it a Spaghetti "Extruder", which is traumatic for the pasta being pushed through the shaping die.

DF accentuates a few of those at the BEGINNING of first and third lines on several songs, Glamour Profession is notable. Rarer when he does it at the end.

Yes we're gonna have a wiiiiiiing ding...

It's just a dugout that my Daaasd built...


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 20:59:32 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

seems I've made a boo boo. Barrytown played in Irvine 74 not Memphis. Sorry ,mixed up my boots


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 18:40:09 ET
Posted by: Spaghetti (not brain), Strainer

Greg M wins.


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 18:36:09 ET
Posted by: Greg M, ..

Spaghetti: is it New Frontier?


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 18:34:16 ET
Posted by: Greg M, .

Any World live from 2006 is on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irAXP9K0Hq0


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 18:30:59 ET
Posted by: Spaghetti (not brain), Strainer

There was a consensus that Miss Marlene is most reminiscent of IGY, but I find the verses to be structured similarly to another trilogy song.

In the first and third lines of each verse, the second to the last syllable is elongated. Proooooooo rolls. Laaaaaaaane child. Skyyyyyyyyyyyy high. Moooooooooon beam. Leeeeeeeeeeague night. It is accentuated with backing vocals (sans 1st verse) in a manner similar to this trilogy song that also has elongated syllables in the same spot.

Name that song.


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 16:27:08 ET
Posted by: Yoyoma, barrytown usa

sid, shoot me an email


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 16:05:21 ET
Posted by: sid,

Greg M - Live version of Any World? In concert? Who's singing?


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 11:57:02 ET
Posted by: Sweden and Scandinavia, See above

And an even Happier New Year to one all reading this.

And everyone else... :)

/PGE


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 09:06:11 ET
Posted by: Greg M, c

Chris nh, a live audience recording of Any World actually does exist. It's quite interesting.


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 08:54:41 ET
Posted by: Barrytown, Live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ewF40tqchw


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 05:24:02 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Jim Taylor asked;

'If anyone could tell me the tuning that Walter uses on "Surf and-or Die," that would be great. Thanks! '

Are you sure he played on that track ?

Adam Rogers is listed this way in the credits for 11TOW as they appear on SteelyDan.com

Electric Guitar: Adam Rogers (Lucky Henry, Surf And/Or Die, Hat Too Flat, solo #2 on Lucky Henry)


Date: Sun, December 30, 2012, 01:40:50 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Early Dan Tours: I don't, that was my point! I'm sure they played a few more from that album, but the only bootlegs from the 70s I've been able to find are from '74 which only feature the songs I didn't list.

Thanks for the Barrytown info ... although I have that Memphis show (I think) and I don't see it listed there, hmm...


Date: Sat, December 29, 2012, 20:34:57 ET
Posted by: Twenty Years of, BLUE

The Blue is moving into year 20 in 2013. It seems like only yesterday I gazed through the glass.

The logo on the Blue should be changed from those creepy marshmallow easter bunnies to something cool like a Blue 20 wave graphic. That guy Jeff Wax could do up a new logo in Sunken Condos blue.


Date: Sat, December 29, 2012, 20:08:02 ET
Posted by: inquiring minds want to know,

We have got to get to the bottom of this.

every old fart who was alive during the 73 Steely Dan tours needs to post everything they know on this site as quick as possible.


Date: Sat, December 29, 2012, 20:01:31 ET
Posted by: jonny darko,

Where is there info on the 1970s tours? Somebody must have a holey rag of a T shirt with the cities listed. Did they open for Chicago or Three Dog Night?


Date: Sat, December 29, 2012, 19:52:03 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, Barrytown

my live version is from 3/10/74 in Irvine. killer Clarence White-esque b-bender solo from the Skunky one.

I'm sure they played it more than once though.


Date: Sat, December 29, 2012, 15:58:56 ET
Posted by: bikemann17, nj

Barrytown played in 74 Memphis


Date: Sat, December 29, 2012, 15:42:20 ET
Posted by: early dan tours,

@Chris of NH or others

How could it be that, according to your list, that half of CBAT was never played live when only CBAT's 10 songs and CTE's 8 songs existed when they went on the first tour? Did they only play 12 or 13 songs of their own material? Do you have any setlists?


Date: Sat, December 29, 2012, 13:17:45 ET
Posted by: EC, NY

M/D/O/P - Thanks for the stories and the seasonal chuckle. I agree that we are grossly outnumbered here, and that better internet manners are in order.

Someone I ran into recently said to me that Steely Dan is "not the kind of music you actually listen to, it's the sort of thing you hear in snippets in an elevator or a Home Depot". Turns out he is a major '80s Genesis fan and he "hates jazz". Figures. That's also now the 3rd time I've heard someone refer to In The Ghetto in connection with SC. Sad but true.

Thanks also to It's Like This for the Jim Gordon interview, and to Jim Taylor for the Ray Collins piece, both were well worth reading.


Date: Sat, December 29, 2012, 11:55:28 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Thanks yet again Tripstar .. fascinating stuff.

I agree with your rankings as well. The Nightfly is a perfect album. The other three have flaws to varying degrees. Kama is the one I just can't get past the cheesy production on, no matter how hard I try. Oddly enough, I don't have the same problem with 11TOW; it adds to the album's melancholiac claustrophobia.

Wholly different subject:
As I have far too much time on my hands until after new years, I've been trying to put together playlists of the albums Steely Dan has yet to perform live. So far I've tackled CBAT, Countdown, Pretzel Logic, and Katy Lied. Here's my master list of songs that, to my knowledge, have never been performed:

CBAT:
Kings
Only A Fool Would Say That
Fire in the Hole
Change of the Guard
Turn That Heartbeat Over Again

*I have a feeling at least a few of these were played in the 70s, but from what I could assemble they're not available on any bootlegs (which are all from 74). Can anyone confirm this or deny it?

Countdown:
Razor Boy

Pretzel:
Barrytown
Through with Buzz
With A Gun
Charlie Freak

Katy Lied:
Rose Darling
YGT II - full (I use the '74 live jam version here)
Any World - I know this was performed a little in 06 but I don't believe that a bootleg exists, can anyone confirm?

Every so often a "master list" of never performed songs crops up; once I finish this project I'll try and post it somewhere.


Date: Sat, December 29, 2012, 05:44:04 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

More DF Uncut excerpts:
Q: "Between you and Walter, are you more likely to reveal?" DF: "Walter may be more defensive than I am, generally speaking, but his records are in a way more revealing. Kind of in a shocking sort of way. But it may be what he's revealing is more shocking. He had a kind of rough childhood, so his worldview may be a little dimmer than mine."
Q: "After you completed the Nightfly trilogy I thought you weren't going to write autobiographically any more..." DF: "Yeah, that turned out to be false. I tried not to. But next time I'm going to make it. I'm going to go more Steely Dan with the next one (...) more journalistic, more objective, with characters that are further away from myself."

(On keeping up with new methods of recording) DF: "I don't like to interact with technology myself very much. I started out with sequencers very early on because Roger Nichols, our engineer, was into computers. But at a certain point I could see the technology was going to overwhelm me. I was moving beats around in a sequencer and I'd stopped making music. So I just gave up on it and had someone else take care of that."

(In this respect, the Uncut article includes this Rickie Lee Jones quote: "Donald had his engineer invent the drum machine. That tells you all you need to know. He worked with the greatest drummers, but he still needed a drum machine..." I have to say, Ms. Jones, that does NOT tell me all I need to know. This portrayal of Donald as a precision-obsessed maniac is beginning to annoy me, as I feel there's such a lot more to his work than just that. Oh well...)

Q: "Do you feel that the failure to keep up with technology makes you feel old?" DF: "Many other things make me feel old but that's part of... I think technology is just part of a much larger cultural change."
(More on the subject of ageing later)

The article includes a "How to buy Donald Fagen" section with brief reviews of all his four solo albums. Ms. Uhelszki gives "The Nightfly a 9/10 ("...lyrics are more personal (than SD's), less sardonic, even romantic at times, recalling a bygone era where dress is formal, harmonies close, nights are endless and the jazz as cool as an oyster."); "Kamakiriad" gets an 8/10 ("...sounds like Aja with a slight soul swing... scrutinises middle age, but from a greater remove"); "Morph" is given a 10/10 ("...obsessed with his own sense of mortality, while revealing his pain and paranoia. He's dropped much of the sangfroid of his SD vocals, replacing it with a vulnerability that feels like his authentic voice"), and "Condos" a 9/10 ("...mirrors America's anxiety, as well as an anxiety about ageing. While promising that he no longer felt compelled to write autobiographically in his solo stuff, that doesn't seem to be tha case here, and that's a good thing. Standout track is "Weather in My Head"; as good as anything he's ever done.")
My scores would be 10 for "TN", 9 for "K", 8 for "MtC" and so far 9 for "SC". And I disagree with the reviewer's assessment of "Weather", but what do I know?

Merry Xmas everybody... if you like that sort of thing.


Date: Sat, December 29, 2012, 00:38:05 ET
Posted by: liz, reptile cage

If Don was forced to have lunch with either a "cheese eater" who misspells his name and whose knowledge of SD dates to 1981 or "one of us", he would probably like his chances of getting out alive with the former.


Date: Fri, December 28, 2012, 20:48:31 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Toronto

Not sure what just happened there with my post, but here is another try:

Wishing everybody on The Blue a Happy Noo Year, and ringing it in just a bit early with a couple of True Life SD-related stories.....

At an Xmas gathering recently, someone (not yours truly) brought up the subject of Steely Dan. The conversation turned through points like "studio perfection", "clever lyrics", and "some of the best players"....the basic SD clichés as understood by the Classic Rock-Consuming Public at Large. Then someone (again, not me) mentioned that Fagen (although I suspect if this person had been writing the name down it would have been "Fagan") had a new solo album out. Quick to take the bait, someone (OK, me this time) asked, "Is it any good?". The answer was that yes, it was very good, and that it contained among other notable things a cover version of "In The Ghetto" (!). "Really - you mean the Elvis Presley tune?", I asked disingenuously. "Uh, yeah...but he rearranges it quite a bit in his version", was the unbelievably well-informed answer. This same individual spent a good portion of the evening educating some younger folks about popular music history. After overhearing some of what he had to say, I'm pretty sure he's a major Wikipedia contributor.

Mildly amusing tale #2: Wherein yet another person contradicts me when I tell them I've seen "Steely Dan" live many times (this has happened to me twice in the last couple of years). Again, the culprit/contrarian/music authority is a balding/greying/ponytailing "music expert". As I admire a still-sealed original vinyl copy of The Royal Scam in a bin at an "indie" music shop, buddy who works there comments that SD is "probably the best American rock act of the past forty years". I not only don't argue the point, but I offer that I too am a big fan, and that I've even travelled to see them play live in New Yawk City at the Beacon Theater. "Not Steely Dan, you didn't!", he scolds me emphatically, adding, "Those guys were strictly an L.A. studio act - they never performed live, it was just Walter Becker and Donald Fagen and a bunch of hired guns!". I resist all urges to correct the miscreant, because, well, how do ya argue with an expert?

You DON'T & I didn't - hey, at least he knew enough to name-check WB and DF. I may be greying, just a bit, but I'm not bald or even balding, and I've never had a ponytail. For the record, I've also never worked in a "record store", or ever sported record-store-clerk-black-horn-rimmed-glasses.

The moral of these seemingly-pointless stories? Even at Christmas/New Years, we (us fanatic SD collectors/concertgoers/fans/friends) are wildly outnumbered by the Greater Cheese-Eating Masses. We're a pretty small group, so maybe us SD folks should really stick together, no? In light of that thought, I hereby propose that during all of the upcoming year, The Blue should magically become a place where fellow SD lovers treat each other with respect, where crude personal insults/arbitrary attacks are never posted, and where interesting info gets spread from those who have it to those who want it. Yes, I post here occasionally as "M/O/D/P", but my real name, if you haven't guessed it by now, is Pollyanna..........


Date: Fri, December 28, 2012, 20:43:05 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Toronto

Wishing everybody on The Blue a Happy Noo Year, and ringing it in just a bit early with a couple of recent True Life SD-related stories.....

At an Xmas gathering recently, someone (not yours truly) brought up the subject of Steely Dan. The conversation turned through points like "studio perfection", "clever lyrics", and "some of the best players"....the basic SD clichés as understood by the Classic Rock-Consuming Public At Large. Then someone (again, not me) mentioned that Fagen (although I suspect if this person had been writing the name down it would have been "Fagan") had a new solo album out. Quick to take the bait, someone (OK, me this time) asked, "Is it any good?". The answer was that yes, it was very good, and that it contained among other notable things a cover version of "In The Ghetto" (!). "Really - you mean the Elvis Presley tune?", I asked disingenuously. "Uh, yeah...but he rearranges it quite a bit in his version", was the unbelievably well-informed answer. This same individual spent a good portion of the evening educating some younger folks about popular music history. After overhearing some of what he had to say, I'm pretty sure he's a major Wikipedia contributor.

Mildly amusing tale #2: Wherein yet another person contradicts me when I tell them I've seen "Steely Dan" live many times (this has happened to me twice in the last couple of years). Again, the culprit/contrarian/music authority is a balding/greying/ponytailing "music expert". As I admire a still-sealed original vinyl copy of The Royal Scam in a bin at an "indie" music shop, buddy who works there randomly comments that SD is "probably the best American rock act of the past forty years". I not only don't argue the point, but I offer that I too am a big fan, and that I've even travelled to see them play live in New Yawk City at the Beacon Theater several times. "Not Steely Dan, you didn't!", he scolds me emphatically, adding, "Those guys were strictly an L.A. studio act - they never performed live - it was just Walter Becker and Donald Fagen and a bunch of hired guns!". I resist all urges to correct the miscreant, because, well, how do ya argue with an expert?

You DON'T & I didn't - hey, at least he knew enough to name-check WB and DF. I may be greying, just a bit, but I'm not bald or even balding, and I've never had a ponytail. For the record, I've also never worked in a "record store", or ever sported record-store-clerk-black-horn-rimmed-glasses.

The moral of these seemingly-pointless stories? Even at Christmas/New Years, we (us fanatic SD collectors/concertgoers/fans/friends) are wildly outnumbered by the Greater Cheese-Eating Masses. We're a pretty small group, so maybe us SD folks should really stick together, no? In light of that thought, I hereby propose that during all of the upcoming year, The Blue should magically become a place where fellow SD lovers always treat each other with respect, where crude personal insults/arbitrary attacks are never posted, and where interesting info gets spread from those who have it to those who want it. Yes, I post here occasionally as "M/O/D/P", but my real name, if you haven't guessed it by now, is "Pollyanna"........


Date: Fri, December 28, 2012, 09:50:59 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Seriously, where do these people come from?

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Date: Fri, December 28, 2012, 09:46:31 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

Dan fans, who are also Zappa fans, might find this sad. http://www.whittierdailynews.com/ci_22269275


Date: Thurs, December 27, 2012, 19:09:22 ET
Posted by: all of us, pop quiz

who thinks that the following songs are NOT "rare" cuts?

Doctor Wu
American Lovers
Second Arrangement
All too Mobile Home
Pearl of the Quarter
Jack of Speed '96
You Got The Bear
Mobile Home


hahahahahaha


Date: Thurs, December 27, 2012, 15:46:30 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Michael, you made it too easy!

Indeed - happy holidays to all. Thanks to Hoops to giving us all an outlet to obsess over our favorite band.


Date: Thurs, December 27, 2012, 09:11:22 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Here's hoping for a new SD album next year.

Here's a little quiz: Which SD outtake begins with a BbM7 - Gm7






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Date: Thurs, December 27, 2012, 08:59:47 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

Thanks to all BlueBookers for making the whole Sunken Condos chapter so enjoyable. You know who you are.

Wishing everyone a Cuervo Gold and/or Fine Colombian filled holiday.

"She stays with me, I know heaven is right here on Earth."


Date: Thurs, December 27, 2012, 06:48:38 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

Just poppin' in to wish all of you Happy Holidays and a Steely new year!


Date: Thurs, December 27, 2012, 00:22:03 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

I am not a "regular" here, but I enjoy the back and forth and getting news on my favorite band. So Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah and all the other wonderful holidays to come. If anyone could tell me the tuning that Walter uses on "Surf and-or Die," that would be great. Thanks!


Date: Tues, December 25, 2012, 20:29:15 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa

The Dean -

You're Welcome. "All Good Things" is an offbeat mystery.
Roger Ebert gave it 3 1/2 stars.
It was ok, but I really only perked up during the "SD" moments.


Date: Tues, December 25, 2012, 18:19:13 ET
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Date: Tues, December 25, 2012, 16:38:10 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Christmas at The Beach

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all on The Blue.

Denise, that was a lovely design. Thanks for sharing.

Even It's Like This made an actual contribution (his first?) with his link to the article on Jim Gordon. I will consider that our Christmas present from him/her.

Steve, thanks for the reminder re: "All Good Things". I still have yet to check it out. For some reason it seems movies featuring Dan music (or compositions) tend to suck--I guess I am thinking of Me, Myself and Irene. A movie with Ryan Gosling & Kirsten Dunst doesn't sound like much of an improvement, but maybe I will give it a shot someday when I am missing the NYC vibe.

Mostly a hearty thank you to Hoops, our Fearless Leader and benefactor. He generously supplies us with The Blue, the Christmas gift that keeps on giving. Salute!


Date: Tues, December 25, 2012, 15:34:56 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

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Date: Tues, December 25, 2012, 15:20:56 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa

This is likely old news but my wife and I saw a 2 year old movie called "All Good Things" with Ryan Gosling & Kirsten Dunst that features a Steely Dan heavy soundtrack including "Do it Again", "Daddy Don't Live in that New York..." and "Don't take me Alive"...
Set in New York, the SD sound did add some good local flavor to the film.
RIP to Jack Klugman who personified a New Yorker in so many great performances over the years. He will be missed.
If SD is to tour this coming Summer, I would love to hear any of the Top tracks from "Sunken Condos"...


Date: Tues, December 25, 2012, 14:49:50 ET
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Date: Tues, December 25, 2012, 01:09:04 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, Florida Room

thanks Denise... same to you. love the graphic!


Date: Mon, December 24, 2012, 21:58:13 ET
Posted by: Denise, Hinktown

Merry Christmas to all Danfans! Best to you, Walaka.
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/67904_4952112370973_157463443_n.jpg?dl=1


Date: Mon, December 24, 2012, 21:11:55 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone on the Blue!


Date: Mon, December 24, 2012, 19:20:16 ET
Posted by: FD, .

I never did manage to catch this commercial when it aired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCrqy5S-H_A


Date: Mon, December 24, 2012, 16:09:07 ET
Posted by: Lurker,

moray eel: Whoever ran the Yellow seemed to be more interested in disusing any topic other than SD. That place was a joke.


Date: Mon, December 24, 2012, 10:32:50 ET
Posted by: search, kb

Found this comment online

I was working in the studio where he tracked the backing vocals for Miss Marlene. Fagan is the best dude ever. I was taking lunch orders and he just said "Get me whatevers the manliest thing thats been ordered so far." It was a chicken caesar salad. Dude can run a train on a pack of Marlboro Reds too.


http://forums.hipinion.com/viewtopic.php?t=51108&p=2444659


Date: Mon, December 24, 2012, 10:07:54 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

Everyone knows that Jim is a huge Elton John fan. As for Zappa, until last year's SD tour, I had seen Zappa more times than SD. SD passed Zappa in Las Vegas. Threads, feds, beds.


Date: Mon, December 24, 2012, 09:40:43 ET
Posted by: Jeanine,

To the King of the World:

Keep in mind that the Bluebook also has the Dean, the Brain Strainer and others you can't get anywhere else.


Date: Mon, December 24, 2012, 00:56:44 ET
Posted by: Marlene, Ho Ho Ho

Moray:

Most posters prefer a threaded forum?

Allegiance to Elton John?

Huh? Please explain.


Date: Sun, December 23, 2012, 23:39:32 ET
Posted by: moray eel, m

"The Bluebook is, and always has been better than the Yellow."

I always found them to be very similar. Both:

1. Didn't really engage in Steely Dan fans in discussions, but occasionally stepped in to posters in their place.

2. Both seemed to have other allegiances ... Zappa/Elton John.

3. Both rejected the preferred threaded format that most posters desire.

m.e.


Date: Sun, December 23, 2012, 18:07:39 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Year end top 5:

5) Wayne Krantz: "Howie 61"
4) Louis Cole and Genevieve Artadi: "Think Thoughts"
3) Frank Ocean: "Channel Orange"
2) Donald Fagen: "Sunken Condos"
1) Fiona Apple: "The Idler Wheel..."


Date: Sun, December 23, 2012, 08:21:46 ET
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Date: Sun, December 23, 2012, 04:07:12 ET
Posted by: It's only me,


sid said: “You see, the person that runs the Bluebook actually likes Steely Dam.”

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Date: Sun, December 23, 2012, 03:48:54 ET
Posted by: sid,

King of the World- The Bluebook is, and always has been better than the Yellow. You see, the person that runs the Bluebook actually likes Steely Dam. That's the one major difference in the two forums.


Date: Sun, December 23, 2012, 03:30:47 ET
Posted by: King of the World, The suburbs of Trantor

Intro: I used to post on the old yellow site, so long ago I forgot the name (banyantrees?). First thing I did going online for the first time a decade ago was to find that SD site, and start posting. I'm getting nostalgic about that.

This is a really hard site to jump into. There's always a shitload to read, and a bad eye problem limits how much I can safely read. I've gone too long without a SD board though, and I'm making a token post now, and figuring out how to take part fully later on. Maybe it won't be possible. I'll buzz past occasionally and get a feel for things, then take it from there.

Not an interesting post, but I'm sort of putting my foot in the door.


Date: Sat, December 22, 2012, 18:47:43 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Me thinks deen is into the apple jack already tonight.


Date: Sat, December 22, 2012, 17:06:43 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Still Celebrating

"Emily implies the tune is autobiographical."

I can buy that. Does Don have a niece named Emily? I guess I didn't know that.

And Chris, of course you are right. Steely Dan has NEVER played any Walt or Don solo tunes in concert---EVER! Anyway, perhaps you were being sarcastic, too. Obviously Fred posted he hoped they would play New Breed in concert. So what's the big deal? That's what he would like. Can't see any problem with him wanting that.

Internet douchebaggery continues to befuddle me.


Date: Sat, December 22, 2012, 14:25:14 ET
Posted by: Chris, Vermont

Thanks for the laugh, Fred. We needed it as always.

Gee, Vic, Dean and a few others were dumb enough to believe that there will be a Steely Dan tour where they play solo tracks -- and THEN bite the heads off chickens. Maybe they went out and bought some chickens...


Date: Sat, December 22, 2012, 14:10:03 ET
Posted by: answering, dean

Emily implies the tune is autobiographical.


Date: Sat, December 22, 2012, 13:55:32 ET
Posted by: The Dean, 'Tis the Season

Moray eel,

Well done. But one question, "Emily?" I'm thinking that was just added to give your otherwise reasonable interpretation a whimsical touch of fabrication and randomness so prevalent in most of the other odd takes on the meaning of the song. Or am I missing something here?

And vic asked, "What tour?" Since Fred did say "Don and Walt" I assume he meant a Steely Dan tour. And Don has repeatedly been quoted as saying they are going on tour next year. Of course, Don saying it and it happening are two entirely different things.


Date: Sat, December 22, 2012, 12:35:15 ET
Posted by: moray eel, M

The New Breed could be about a guy that has a niece named Emily. She enjoys spending time with him during her younger years; but as she grows up and becomes interested in boys, she prefers hanging out with young men her own age to spending time with her older uncle when he visits.

m.e.


Date: Sat, December 22, 2012, 11:56:31 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Thank you Don. "A funny little HUM" (not "load")is correct according to the CD booklet and what is actually sung.

Danophiles: Don't let your hyperactive imaginations get the better of you.;)


Date: Sat, December 22, 2012, 11:01:55 ET
Posted by: DonBreithaupt, Toronto

funny little <hum>


Date: Fri, December 21, 2012, 18:25:30 ET
Posted by: vic,

Fred - What tour?


Date: Fri, December 21, 2012, 18:03:24 ET
Posted by: Three, Turkey

SS,

It's the last three for me. There was a time in my life where all I did for fun was bowl and listen to SD. So the amazement that they merged in Miss Marlene kind of makes it hard for me to judge the song on its own merits. I ask myself is the refrain really that good? But even if I were bowling neutral I like to think the song's buoyancy would make it one of my favorites. And the last verse of Good Stuff is my favorite verse on the album. Went out to run errands today, and had to idle in the store's parking lot to hear it before going in.

While I like some songs more than others, there's none I dislike. Morph The Cat has a stretch of four songs where I feel he whiffed (What I do - Security Joan.) I've had no desire to play those since the year it came out. And no, it didn't take the release of SC for me to come to that conclusion.


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Date: Fri, December 21, 2012, 13:36:20 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Tripstar, thanks again! Love hearing little nuggets like What I Do was going to be a Steely Dan song originally.

Donna, I love that interpretation of New Breed. If I had to guess I'd say that's not what Fagen had in mind, but what do I know? And furthermore, who cares?

Listening to Slinky Thing today and it dawned on me how funny the last verse (Today we were strolling by the reptile cage/I'm thinking does she need somebody who's closer to her own age) actually is ... he sees the leathery, wrinkled faces of the reptiles and thinks "shit ...."


Date: Fri, December 21, 2012, 12:01:33 ET
Posted by: Fred,

Donna, really?

I think New Breed is about genetically engineered chicken.

It's the chicken we love to have on our favorite sandwich. But now it's been genetically engineered.

I'm hoping Donald and Walter play this on tour. Chickens could make for good visuals.

Maybe Donald or Walter could even bite off the head off a real. live chicken.

High school English lit teachers everywhere must be disgusted. If only we could have gotten away with the same crap then that people write here on the blue.

Merry Christmas, Dammit.


Date: Fri, December 21, 2012, 10:38:37 ET
Posted by: Donna M.,

I consider New Breed about to have several possible meanings. On the surface people think that it is about a husband being replaced by a young computer repair guy. Or a cell phone being replaced by a smart phone. But it could mean that the narrator or husband discovers his wife becoming uninterested in sex with him and is using a high tech vibrator instead. Lyrics such as Funny little load Clicks on and Good luck to you both I'll get along Somehow would back this up.
Another meaning could be that the narrator is actually the old fashioned 1950's Steely Dan flatline dildo is being replaced by the new breed of high tech, digitally programmed multi function vibrator.


Date: Fri, December 21, 2012, 06:03:16 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

SS: I feel exactly like you 2 months into SC. My "delight-o-meter" also yields a V- or U-shaped curve, sagging a bit towards the middle. But this might change over time.
Funny so many people like "Weather". Several reviewers (Jaan Uhelszki of Uncut, for one) consider it "perhaps the best song on SC". I guess it's musically straightforward enough for radio airplay, or it may be the lyrics... I find it a bit too 12-bar for my taste, I seem to prefer more "fagenized" blues tunes (a la "Chain Lightning" or "Pretzel Logic", which are a bit less predictable). Not a bad tune, of course, but despite Herington's great tone and phrasing, I find it a bit lacking in harmonic excitement.
As for "Guetto", it's almost a literal re-read. Good, but again not fagenized enough (by contrast, "Ruby Baby" is a cover he made his own, and I loved the results).
"Breed" is just waiting for me to discover it, I guess.


Date: Fri, December 21, 2012, 06:02:35 ET
Posted by: Billy Rubin, Bad Romance Enterprises

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xoxoxo,
BR



Date: Fri, December 21, 2012, 05:38:42 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

Chris: my pleasure. Yes, the interviewer (Jaan Uhelszki, founder of Creem magazine) seems to have found a sweet spot where Donald is feeling comfortable and saying things I've never read or heard him say. Maybe because she's a "babe"?
Here are a few more DF Uncut excerpts:

(On how he designates where his writing is going to go, SD or solo) "I don't, really. If Walter and I are about to do something, I check to see if anything that I have that's unfinished is something that he might want to work on. Some things I say, 'No, this is probably for me'.(...) I showed "What I do" to Walter when it was in its early stages and he said, 'That sounds more like something you would do for yourself'. He wasn't into it. I'm pretty open. I really never put things in categories because that would stiffle my writing."

(On collaborating with WB) "It's like a collective persona (...) From when we first started writing songs, it was like the narrator of the song was always like a character of some sort." Q: "But you had to inhabit it, though." DF: "In the beginning, I thought somenone else would inhabit it because I wasn't going to be the singer. At one point we were going to try to be a duo, but neither of us thought that we were good enough so we were always looking for a singer. (...) Because I could carry a tune a little better than Walter, I became the singer." Q: "You said you asked Loudon Wainwright to become the singer and he was underwhelmed." DF: "He was definitely underwhelmed. Talk about a loner. Also he was so bossy it probably wouldn't have worked out anyway." Q: "Do you consider yourself bossy?" DF: "I'm bossy, yeah. I don't throw fits or anything. I try not to hurt anybody. I like to have fun so I just try to laugh people into doing things". Q: "Are you the same in your personal relationships?" DF: "Unfortunately, I guess so, because I'm kind of blunt, which has gotten me in a lot of trouble in relationships. Although I also have a fear of confrontation when it comes to non-musical stuff. Firing somebody is not something I'm able to do. Also I always feel like it's only music. Nobody gets hurt. It's not like you're losing your job or it's not life or, you know? Who cares?"


Date: Fri, December 21, 2012, 04:42:13 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Sunken Condos - nine songs broken into three groups of three.

Cannot decide whether I prefer the first three (Slinky Thing, INTSWY, and Memorabilia) or the last three (Miss Marlene, Good Stuff or Planet D'Rhonda).

But I know, for me, it is not the middle three (WIMH, New Breed and Ghetto).

For now, I'm leaning to the last three songs as being the 'strongest third.'

Anyone else ?


Date: Thurs, December 20, 2012, 21:21:52 ET
Posted by: TechnicolorMotorhome, SE USA

Has anybody mention the "Ringers" jazz project yet? (Krantz, Carlock, etc..) http://www.jambands.com/news/2012/12/19/jimmy-herring-wayne-krantz-michael-landau-keith-carlock-and-etienne-mbappe-are-the-ringers


Date: Thurs, December 20, 2012, 02:33:54 ET
Posted by: JT Combs, London

The Dean,

Thought they were worth a listen, but modern times bemuse me.... Thanks for posting the link.


Date: Wed, December 19, 2012, 22:37:35 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Been conversing with Jeff Wack via FB.

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Mighty talented.


Date: Wed, December 19, 2012, 21:06:54 ET
Posted by: Yessssss,

We definitely need some early Dan by somebody since SD Walt or Fagen have failed to provide it since Scam.


Date: Wed, December 19, 2012, 20:01:48 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

JT,

I've noticed you have spammed the Blue three times with "The 1957 Tail-Fin Fiasco", but haven't bothered to supply a decent link. Let me help you:

https://soundcloud.com/search?q=The%201957%20Tail-Fin%20Fiasco

How hard was that?

Certainly bears some resemblance to very early Dan.


Date: Wed, December 19, 2012, 19:17:54 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Fagenism - Yes, SP is the most exciting band I've heard in quite a while. The arrangements are great. And it is interesting to note that it's a "collective" of nearly 30 musicians many of whom attended the same college.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snarky_Puppy


Date: Wed, December 19, 2012, 19:10:00 ET
Posted by: JT Combs, London

Evening - morning,

A massive doff of the cap to to Mr Fagan & Becker by London band The 1957 Tail-Fin Fiasco. You can find these guys on Soundcloud.

Hope you enjoy x


Date: Wed, December 19, 2012, 04:58:49 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

To everyone who recommended Snarky Puppy:

Mind B L O W N .


Date: Tues, December 18, 2012, 20:52:36 ET
Posted by: now that you mention it,

With a Gun is a Country & Western Dan Masterpiece. Extremely well done.

Dirty Work was and is horrible. Obviously it took them two albums later to achieve that peak of C&W excellence with With a Gun. No coincidence that it was their final C&W effort. It was so good there was nowhere to go but down, so they left it at that.


Date: Tues, December 18, 2012, 20:08:31 ET
Posted by: no one important, nowhere impotent

correction: vivino played a wurlitzer on the loeb video.


i know. i'm anal like that...


Date: Tues, December 18, 2012, 18:34:19 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, in his corner

that Lisa Loeb version of Dirty Work ain't so bad. They obviously put a lot of care into the arrangement. Cool to see Vivino on the Rhodes too!

And... a poor attempt at Country & Western? I certainly don't hear it. Tunes like Dallas, With A Gun, and Pearl of the Quarter have more of a country flavor and they're all excellent.

Now Hank Williams singing Dirty Work I would love to hear! I'm tempted to record a version in the Hank vein... thanks for the suggestion.


Date: Tues, December 18, 2012, 18:34:06 ET
Posted by: moray eel, spell

Can we get a spell to have Steely Dan release another studio album before the end of the year?

m.e.


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Date: Tues, December 18, 2012, 15:03:20 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Tripstar, thanks a lot - sounds like a fascinating interview where the interviewer actually got him to open up ...

I can see his comments about his working relationship with Walter evolving over the years being heavily read into here. Like you, though, I'm not surprised to see that. They've spent significant time working creatively on their own.


Date: Tues, December 18, 2012, 13:48:49 ET
Posted by: loeb's dirty work,

Excellent version.
Horns were way off for a while, but that was great to hear.
Thanks for posting it.

Even Walter liked his "castle in it's corner" lyric. Great song.


Date: Tues, December 18, 2012, 12:49:07 ET
Posted by: vic,

now that you mention it = anon moron


Date: Tues, December 18, 2012, 09:29:09 ET
Posted by: now that you mention it,

I had forgotten that Dirty Work is another SD tune that is almost as bad as Out of the Ghetto. Poor attempt at Country and Western. Trying to be like The Eagles.

Doesn't matter who sings it. Even Hank Williams himself.


Date: Tues, December 18, 2012, 09:04:41 ET
Posted by: Dave(from acquisitions) ,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYk9pvhZQyg

has everyone seen this? just brutally awful


Date: Tues, December 18, 2012, 06:25:51 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

Chris: You asked for "the majority" of the DF Uncut interview to be posted... It's quite lengthy, but here are what I consider the highlights (with a few comments):
DF: "I write whatever comes into my head because it might be the last thing I ever think of." (Quick, quick, another three or four albums!!)
"All of my past work. It's garbage to me. I'm only interested in the future." (OK, so more albums may be on their way, but is it really necessary to dismiss your past work as "garbage", Don? Where does that leave us?)
"I don't really work well with other people, except for Walter. Even that started to get a little thornier as we got older". (No surprise here)
"Walter and I are our ideal fans, and we figured fans would like what we like. And if they don't, that's really not our problem." (Erm... OK)
(On considering other career paths in his youth) "I figured I was going to go into academia, end up as some kind of teacher, something like a high school English teacher" (In a way, that's what he's become, at least for me)
(On sacrificing meaning for the sound of words) "Maybe when we started. We were really into Bob Dylan. and I think we saw a kind of surrealism as being valid at that time, which I think it was, considering our state of mind and all that. But we were into a kind of a Mallarmé thing at the time. Yeah, I think you can have both."
(A quick, lazy wiki search on the French poet Mallarmé yields this: "Mallarmé's earlier work owes a great deal to the style of Charles Baudelaire. His later fin de siècle style, on the other hand, anticipates many of the fusions between poetry and the other arts that were to blossom in the next century. Most of this later work explored the relationship between content and form, between the text and the arrangement of words and spaces on the page. This is particularly evident in his last major poem, Un coup de dés jamais n'abolira le hasard ('A roll of the dice will never abolish chance') of 1897.
Some consider Mallarmé one of the French poets most difficult to translate into English.The difficulty is due in part to the complex, multilayered nature of much of his work, but also to the important role that the sound of the words, rather than their meaning, plays in his poetry. When recited in French, his poems allow alternative meanings which are not evident on reading the work on the page. For example, Mallarmé's Sonnet en '-yx' opens with the phrase ses purs ongles ('her pure nails'), whose first syllables when spoken aloud sound very similar to the words c'est pur son ('it's pure sound'). Indeed, the 'pure sound' aspect of his poetry has been the subject of musical analysis and has inspired musical compositions. These phonetic ambiguities are very difficult to reproduce in a translation which must be faithful to the meaning of the words" (end of wiki quote) Interesting... So on the one hand there maybe many hidden, symbolic meanings to SD/DF lyrics, but on the other hand, words may have been chosen just for the way they sound... Go figure)
Expect more instalments on the Uncut interview soon.


Date: Mon, December 17, 2012, 19:35:35 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, in Detroit

yeah that was great. more, please (:


Date: Mon, December 17, 2012, 11:32:11 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

nothingbutblues,

That was excellent. Thanks for sharing.


Date: Mon, December 17, 2012, 11:07:00 ET
Posted by: nothingbutblues, -

Speaking of children and Steely Dan:

My older brother raised two little girls on The Dan. The older one developed a particular fondness for Rose Darling, which we - to this day - listen to whenever I babysit (she just turned six). Here is my little piano noodle of said song, as a tribute to her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN7WxsCGV4k


Date: Mon, December 17, 2012, 07:04:30 ET
Posted by: Philly Dog, ll

My problem with Ghetto is that Planet D has an almost identical verse about dancing. I want it to "belong" to the latter tune.


Date: Mon, December 17, 2012, 00:49:39 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Richmond

So I am 27 and I have a 2 year old daughter ( and actually we just had a son last week). My daughter is so sweet and is starting to talk a little but loves to sing. I was driving the other day and weather in my head started to play on my CD. It sounded like she was trying to sing the chorus. I thought it was a fluke. Then a few days later I was riding with her and she was singing the chorus from Weather in My Head. What an awesome moment. I guess she is the proof that it is probably the most mainstream and relatable track on the album. It melts my heart when she says "Mr. Gore Said"


Date: Sun, December 16, 2012, 17:18:42 ET
Posted by: Michael, *sigh*

I didn't know what to get as a gift for my cousin (who also loves Steely Dan), so I was browsing CDBaby in search of something new. What a waste of time. Do you know what the problem is? Every artist that describes their sound as being similar to or derivative of Steely Dan doesn't even come close, including that Jay Graydon JaR album.


Date: Sun, December 16, 2012, 15:55:00 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

I don't know... I saw Donald perform "Trouble Man" this summer, and along with Boz doing his duet of "Miss Sun" with Cat, it was one of the highlights of the show. Donald can sing. He doesn't have to sing just his stuff.


Date: Sun, December 16, 2012, 15:52:32 ET
Posted by: Ghetto - , BLASTED

Interesting point about Ruby Baby. No - I don't skip it, because it is musically rich and satisfying like a really good cheesecake. But I mentally disengage from it a fair bit, marking time until the return of the organic brown rice, mung beans, seaweed and tofu stew that constitutes the nutritious trace-element-rich Fagen psyche.


Date: Sun, December 16, 2012, 11:52:23 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



I think Ghetto's much better and more interesting than the original. The Catskill Hood.


Date: Sun, December 16, 2012, 11:14:09 ET
Posted by: Josey, Mass

Ghetto and Weather are the two songs I find myself skipping over also. I like "Weather" ok..I just like everything else much more. "Good Stuff" to my ears just has that typical groove infectious kinda thing we all love about this music.


Date: Sun, December 16, 2012, 09:34:00 ET
Posted by: Its only me,


Ghetto – BLASTED said
“I can't listen to Donald doing a cover because it's his 'mind' that I love !”

What about Ruby Baby? That sounds 100% like a Donald song; I suppose because he more or less reworked the original so much, musically, that it became his. I love it.

What's wrong with "Ghetto"? Rhymically it doesn't work for me. It's as though there's something fundamentally wrong with the track – the drums, for a start; but who am I to argue with THE man?


Date: Sun, December 16, 2012, 08:44:22 ET
Posted by: Kenny, SP

Leave Ghetto alone. Chef would be proud.


Date: Sun, December 16, 2012, 07:58:50 ET
Posted by: Ghetto - , BLASTED

I skip 'Ghetto' as well - I don't think I have ever done that before with any track on a Dan album, or the solo albums. So that got me thinking - what's the REAL reason ? Simple...I can't listen to Donald doing a cover because it's his 'mind' that I love ! Any lyrics, sentiments, rhythms and chord progressions that didn't originate in the deep, dark, glorious, fertile jungle of that man's psyche . . . . can't hold my attention. Life's too short. Is that weird ?


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 18:24:12 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Also, Ghetto is the track I skip most often too. I like the tune and found the Klezmer stuff pretty amusing the first few listens, but now I find it kind of irritating. I kinda wish the horn stuff was more straightforward.


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 18:21:22 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Yeah, we're not going to see any more "singles" from Sunken Condos really.

I would guess that Weather will show up on some radio stations (if it hasn't already), but I doubt it will chart.


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 16:52:12 ET
Posted by: Rick wi, asdf

Brain Strainer,

good god, for years, you've been a tiresome "authority."

The outro reference means she's been listening to it.

And the fact that you bring up "single" and "airplay" renders you an anachronism in this era.


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 15:54:54 ET
Posted by: SDV, stepping in more BS

How can a cover song be derivative? It's a straight-ahead cover. It's not drawn from or influenced by the Isaac Hayes version. Rather, it's a faithful reinterpretation that sticks very close to the original arrangement.

You say the word DERIVATIVE like it's a bad thing, yet that is exactly how you describe so many "New Testament" tunes. That they are somehow based on older songs in the catalog. Just because Godwhacker and Green Flower St are both in a minor key with similar tempos and guitar fills, it does not mean that the former is derived from the latter.



Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 15:13:35 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains NY

Ghetto is an interesting experiment. A lame one maybe? Kind of like "Rhymes" - it would have been better as a b-side.

Weather is my second least-favorite track. I just don't like the guitar solos not bluesy enough for a bluesy song...live version from Letterman is more listenable IMO.

Who cares about "singles" anymore? That stuff's for teeny-bopper "artists." Not our boys.

The rest of the album though: absolute gold. Brilliant!


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 14:51:35 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@sharkdeville

Alright, cool, but pipe down now. I said that I am not into Ghetto (which is a fact), I believe it is an experiment, and to me, that repetitive kazoo, or whatever it is, sounds like like fingernails on a chalkboard (not a fact for others). It is also DERIVATIVE I also said that others may be into Ghetto several times, and that is their opinion. Because you happen to be into Ghetto, it neither makes it good or bad, nor fact or fiction.

On the other hand Weather, in my opinion, whenever it drops as a single (better be soon!) and gets airplay stands the best chance of making a popular impact. Not saying that popularity is the sole measure of what is "good" music. Nowadays especially, it is rather to the contrary!

Weather is also on the all-important album sticker (well so is Ghetto for that matter)and quite few on the Blue, including myself, predicted it could be a strong single for perhaps Adult Contemporary airplay as far back as when the 30 second clips were released which was weeks before the actual sticker was released. AND DF (Warner Bros.?) chose Weather as the marquee song to play on Letterman which was also predicted by myself and others. All of which are FACTS.

My OPINION is that DF put his best foot forward,(of the NINE "feet" on SC there are to choose from) by playing Weather on Letterman.

So there!


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 12:10:47 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, brick shit house

BS-

your sweeping statements also grate on the nerves. I've asked others what their favorite tune from SC is, and New Breed and Rhonda both rate very high. most everyone seems to like Ghetto as well. meanwhile Weather, which you can't say enough about, has been called boring and repetitive, predictable and too simple by quite a few. it's the one tune that i find myself skipping over and i'm not the only one.

asserting that Ghetto would not make someone a Donald fan, or is not putting his best foot forward is simply you stating your own opinion as fact. similar to your constant claims that some newer song is "derived from" some older song in the catalog. it's simply not true.


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 09:58:43 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

About Ghetto:


I would say that no one should be wracked with guilt over not liking Out of the Ghetto. Some might find it very grating on the nerves. That, and maybe New Breed and Rhonda. Not everyone is going to like all NINE of them on SC. Ghetto, the DF arrangement, is definitely an experimental tune in the vein of East St. Louis, Morph title track and perhaps Show Biz Kids. Pushing the musical frontiers.

The wife may be into the outro of Ghetto? I like the outro of Glamour Profession, for instance and loop it. Memorabilia, I will loop its entirety multiple times.

If you heard Ghetto on the radio, or in a market or medical office (as is a good portion of SD/DF material), would you say "Who was that artist? I gotta have it". If that was all you had to go on from SD/DF/WB, you probably would not become a fan. I would say that Ghetto is not putting the best foot forward for their music, and I don't think DF intended it to be. It is a humourous goof of a song, but others may see it differently. I would say that for listening, for me, Ghetto is a "skipover" or a "station changer" which are my measuring sticks for music. So I guess you have some company here.

SD/DF/WB have over 150 songs overall. You can't like them all especially an "atypical of the Dan" experiment like Ghetto....


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 07:33:32 ET
Posted by: Toni,

Ah thank you. But who are the women they talke to? I mean it's obviously fake they are not driving around in a taxi picking up complete strangers, are they? I mean those women must be actresses or background singers?


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 07:19:29 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, 6 ft of snow

Toni,

The Vegas Taxi Drive (Confessions) was officially released as a bonus DVD with the Two Disc Gold Version of EMG. Still good fun to watch.


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 04:09:19 ET
Posted by: Rick wi, asdf

It seems like every time I get in my car my wife has the CD player tuned to the fade out of "In the Ghetto."


Date: Sat, December 15, 2012, 04:01:24 ET
Posted by: It's only me,



There are very few songs, ("Blues Beach" is one example), in the SD/DF canon that I don't care for, but I can still happily listen to.

However, I cannot bear "Out of the Ghetto". It's sounds like a horrible mistake to me, but wait, it can't be – it's DF.

Does anyone else feel the same?


Date: Fri, December 14, 2012, 18:51:36 ET
Posted by: Toni,

Look what I just found on good old youtube http://youtu.be/dimyNC1BytY
I do not know if this was ever released officially, but its really funny.


Date: Fri, December 14, 2012, 17:38:44 ET
Posted by: Vladimir, en route

Vlad makes mad some of the Blue peoples, for sure one, but Vlad just is be Vlad. Like Frodo said, sometimes the cigar is just the cigar, and the diggings are in the deep for secrets of Barrytown when Doctor Mu says wait, it's just the cigar, it's just about an ordinary guy lookings at the freak parade. Yes yes.

Vlad outs!!!


Date: Fri, December 14, 2012, 15:07:30 ET
Posted by: XX, 2

There's a reason I posted as "Sweet Bio Says" and not "It's a fact that..."


Date: Fri, December 14, 2012, 14:16:14 ET
Posted by: UH?,

"Sweet Bio, Says"

D&W are also on record saying that the majority of what was written in Sweet's book is bull shit!


Date: Fri, December 14, 2012, 12:20:12 ET
Posted by: Digging Miss Marlene, Life

Interesting background on Miss Marlene:

1962 Marx Miss Marlene doll, petite 6 1/2 - 7" tall, teenage fashion doll, Miss Marlene is about the same size as the 1969 Dawn dolls, came with fashions that could be bought separately. Bubble cut or pony tail hair style, little Bild Lilli like head mold and facial features, jointed body, with high heel feet.

This doll is also hard to find, but unlike the above 11 1/2" size, we have seen her a few times at auction.

http://dollreference.com/marx_dolls.html

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5269/5562326768_0164ce8d58.jpg


Date: Fri, December 14, 2012, 00:19:59 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



Tarrytown for the Moonies - Yeah, that would be kinda cool...but it's about Barrytown, NY near Annandale on Hudson, home of Bard.

The folks in Barrytown were probably more upstate squares who didn't look too kindly on Bard students. The song turns it around, and positions Barrytown residents as the outsiders


Fagen wrote this one solo.


I'm not one to look behind I know that times must change
But over there in Barrytown they do things very strange

[old school]

And though you're not my enemy
I like things like they used to be
And though you'd like some company
I'm standing by myself
Go play with someone else
I can see by what you carry that you come from Barrytown

[briefcase]

Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard
I just read the Daily News and swear by every word
And don't think that I'm out of line
For speaking out for what is mine
I'd like to see you do just fine
But look at what you wear
And the way you cut your hair

[short]

I can see by what you carry that you come from Barrytown

In the beginning we recall that the word was hurled
Barrytown people got to be from another world

Leave me or I'll be just like the others you will meet
They won't act as kindly if they see you on the street
And don't you scream or make a shout
It's nothing you can do about
It was there where you came out
It's a special lack of grace
I can see it in your face

I can see by what you carry that you come from Barrytown



I could see Bodhisattva as a Fagen only one. Sounds more like his altered blues than Walter (ex. Daddy Don't Live in that NYC No More(


Date: Thurs, December 13, 2012, 19:28:58 ET
Posted by: ..., ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/rascals-back-steven-article-1.1218686


Date: Thurs, December 13, 2012, 16:04:31 ET
Posted by: SDV, by the book

Here's the Fagen quote from the Sweet bio (can't find the bit about Bodhisattva):

"Usually I'll develop the germinal idea for a song and take it over to Walter... We more or less put both our names on all the songs, but I've written a few myself; I can't recall any except Barrytown on the Pretzel Logic LP. I don't think it came off so great anyway, so I don't know if it's a good idea to do stuff by myself. 95% of our songs are collaborative."

"He's a good editor also. He'll suggest improvements on my original idea, and then we'll work on lyrics together."


Date: Thurs, December 13, 2012, 15:47:24 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, my house in town

interesting tidbit about Bodhisattva... I'd never heard that. It was definitely Barrytown that Donald cited as a tune he'd written without Walter's input, followed by the self-deprecating remark.

While we're ruffling feathers, I would venture that Black Cow was also written solely by Fagen. There's the Katy Lied demos with Donald performing it solo and from what I understand the lyrics are autobiographical... about his girlfriend at that time.


I don't really understand why anyone would be shocked or upset to hear that Donald did indeed write some Steely Dan tunes by himself, even if the songs are credited to Fagen/Becker. It is fairly common knowledge that most Lennon/McCartney tunes were written by one or the other, certainly as time went on.


Date: Thurs, December 13, 2012, 15:14:04 ET
Posted by: Mike in NYC, NYC

I always thought Barrytown was about homophobia.


Date: Thurs, December 13, 2012, 14:23:58 ET
Posted by: Sweet Bio, Says

"Bodhisattva" was written by Donald Fagen without Becker's input. Denny Dias recalled picking Fagen up on the way to the studio and Fagen telling him he'd only written the tune the previous night.


Date: Thurs, December 13, 2012, 14:06:45 ET
Posted by: Regular reader, No longer curious

It's like this - Since you brought up the medical angle, I'd offer that you are in fact more specifically like a quack proctologist - one who simply enjoys sticking a finger into peoples' backsides for the sheer pleasure of doing so. A fast check of your most recent fifty or sixty posts here should confirm my suspicions.


Date: Thurs, December 13, 2012, 13:50:28 ET
Posted by: UH?,

Updraught says: "My recollection is that Don said he wrote Bodhissatva himself"

Your "recollection" is wrong. This is such BS. Do you people just make up this stuff on the fly?


Date: Thurs, December 13, 2012, 10:28:37 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Genuinely curious - consider me to be much like the physician who tells you, when outlining a medical procedure, "it's going to hurt". BTW I was amused at your Freudian slip...you mention "valuable contributors" and then you mention deen (brilliant).


Date: Thurs, December 13, 2012, 04:35:43 ET
Posted by: It's only me,


@ The Dean:

This is a serious question with no malice intended:

What do you consider to be simple about Barrytown?

For me, the only simple song I can think of, at the moment, in the SD/Fagen songbook is “Weather in my Head”.

I'm genuinely interested to know why you describe Barrytown as being simple.


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 21:35:21 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Mr. Chow's

Michael Graham,

Thanks for the Goethe reference. As I read Anthony Hecht's "More Light! More Light!" I see no lyrical or subjective connection to Slinky Thing. I was connecting the dots, since Donald was Hecht's student at Bard. Heck (Hecht?), maybe I'm all wet. Perhaps Donald lusted for a lithe, young, slinky thing around the time period he was reading Hecht's work, or when he was one of Hecht's students, or when Hecht was lecturing (if he was) on Goethe. Just speculating for the fun of it.

Dean, not sure why your posts incite the occasional heckling, but you bring plenty of game to Blue Book, IMHO.

Thinking of favorite SD guitar solos, Steve Khan's work on Glamour Profession ranks right up there. Khan's dad was lyricist Sammy Cahn (Samuel Cohen) who penned dozens of standards with Jimmy Van Heusen and Jule Styne, sung by the likes of Sinatra, Doris Day, Mario Lanza and Vic Damone.



Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 21:10:43 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly Area

Dean -

My recollection is that Don said he wrote Bodhissatva himself, not Barrytown, all other comments being the same.


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 20:08:31 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Every chance I get TO.

:#)


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 20:05:37 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, sober

Of course you could Dean. I'm sure you do it often.

Cheerzzzzzzzzzz....

:-)


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 19:57:16 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Still Drinkin'

"McCartney playing with reformed Nirvana. Wow that should be something."

Well, yes, "something" to be sure. Of course I could take a crap in a hat, puke on it and sell it on a street corner. That would also be "something".

:#)


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 19:55:20 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Barrytown,

Your recollection matches mine. WAY back in the day, Don and Walt talked about how they wrote songs. The gist was, Don typically came up with the idea/tune and they would flesh it out together. (That matches with Don's more recent statements that the difference between a Fagen song and a SD song is, a Fagen tune is when he asks a Walter a question about a tune and there is nobody there to respond.) During that same interview, Don noted there was one song that he wrote entirely on his own, Barrytown. He also made a disparaging comment about the song, after that comment---something like "And that didn't turn out too well"--that quote is extremely approximate. Now, please keep in mind, my recollection might not be the best thing to hang your hat on.

Looking back, I actually like Barrytown more now, than I did back in the day. A simple song, but very nice, IMO. As for all this strange bickering about what EXACTLY it is about seems at odds with the whole Steely Dan vibe--again, IMO of course.


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 19:43:36 ET
Posted by: TO Danfan, 12/12/12

Watchin the concert. Excellent start with Bruce.

Cindy's there too. McCartney playing with reformed Nirvana. Wow that should be something. My bet is they pull it off. Too bad Don's not there.

Cheers


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 17:47:32 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/boot-camp-donald-fagen-band-06-soundboard/#channel=f1d942b05336d07&origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.glidemagazine.com&channel_path=%2Fhiddentrack%2Fboot-camp-donald-fagen-band-06-soundboard%2F%3Ffb_xd_fragment%23xd_sig%3Df2a0af8ab7d9704%26


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 17:47:16 ET
Posted by: Regualr reader, genuinely curious

I apologize in advance if this question has been asked before, but is anyone aware of a post from "It's like this" that actually contributed anything at all to the proceedings here? Or is it always about telling valued contributors to "stand down" "post elsewhere" or taking cheap shots at The Dean? I'm curious.


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 14:28:20 ET
Posted by: Napoleon, U.K

Barry is a town in Wales. I want the song to be about that so it is.

I've still got issues with the drum tracks on Sunken Condos which prevent me from warming to it completely.

Still better than anything I could come up with


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 13:22:01 ET
Posted by: michael graham, ooops forgot to post Goethe link


http://www.nndb.com/people/962/000024890/


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 12:30:13 ET
Posted by: Barrytown,

Didn't Donald say in an interview, or perhaps somewhere in the Metal Leg archives, that he wrote Barrytown by himself before meeting Walter? I thought he said they needed a track but he never liked Barrytown.


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 11:57:53 ET
Posted by: michael graham, the sugar shack in pennsylvania

Jive Miguel,

I see the link between the Bard alums, but how is that poem anything close to the song?

If you check out this bit on Goethe, maybe a connection can be drawn here as well. Nevertheless, strange that it can be tied to two separate references.


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 09:34:30 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

A year-end nod to Miss Marlene from the AV Club ...

http://www.avclub.com/articles/40-great-songs-in-40ish-sentences,89773/

Here's the full quote:
Donald Fagen, “Miss Marlene”
In the past, a new Fagen solo album would’ve been a fairly significant event in the pop-music world, but Fagen’s Sunken Condos slipped out late in 2012 with little fanfare—appropriate for a record full of relaxed, jazzy character sketches like “Miss Marlene,” which sounds like an unreleased Steely Dan B-side from 1976.


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 09:25:53 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

I have always heard that Barrytown was indeed about, or at least took some inspiration from, the Moonies. "I can see by what you carry" was a reference to the roses they'd be selling at airports. Of course a compelling argument can be made that the song is more about xenophobia but the fact that there were "strange" people in Barrytown at the time the song was written suggests strongly that the Moonies are at least being nodded to here.


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 07:56:25 ET
Posted by: Billie Rubin, Voodoo Palmreader

Regarding my past psychic interpretation of the SC album, several months before it's release on this very page, we must keep in mind that Mr. Fagen has displayed an uncanny ability to misinterpret his own meaning on numerous occasions stretching clear back to 1972. The fact is he has no idea what he meant, only I know what he meant (see "Psychic Voodoo Palmreader" claim above), and I will now outline the true meaning of the SC album ONCE AGAIN for those where not present at the time of the original psychic visions.

AHEM...


Donald Fagen (not to be confused with "Herbie The Dentist" from the Island of Misfit Toys) is a New Yorker. So preoccupied with his hometown that he lives for it like a plant lives for sunlight, like dogs live for frisbees, like uh... like uh... like Fred Gwynne lived for Yvonne Decarlo! Upon hearing of the impending and continuing meltdown of the polar icecaps and it's certain impact on his cherished city (which is only 5 feet above sea level) he was frantic! Naturally he called me for advice. I put in a few calls to China, India, British Petroleum, Exxon, various coal-fired powerplants, but was unable to attenuated the emission of C02 gasses to a degree substantial enough to save the Earth (and New York City) from Hurricane Sandy and/or the Mayan prophecies of December 21st (sorry about that). Fagen, upon hearing this, grabbed his stylus and began to scratch down every last utterance of the impending catastrophe he recieved from the spirit world on his Samsung Galaxy Note 2 (pre-release obviously). The resulting "Manifesto of Impending Doom 2012" was revised to "Sunken Condos" by the advertising department (against our will naturally, what else is new?) and the world was placed on notice that it's days were numbered...



Mr. Fagen has done his job. He has fought the good fight. He warned you didn't he? If you drown in your condo don't blame him! HE WARNED YA!



P.S.) One of the unreleased tracks "Fix My Icecaps Bitch!" can be downloaded from ITunes for $1.99.






Thank You,
Billie Rubin


Date: Wed, December 12, 2012, 07:30:09 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

M/O/D/P - sometimes when you're not of "the age", you should just stand down (despite you're liking to trot those big words around).

I can remember being shaken-down by Moonies in the grocery store parking lot as early as '71...now what's this about wrong timing?

Barrytown is about all that and more...generational, religious, ethnic, artistic, etc. differences. Judging from SD interviews at the time, the emphasis seemed to be on inter-racial aspects.


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 22:49:36 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Toronto

Well...it should be pretty obvious by now that the song in question wasn't written about or even in deference to some pseudo-religious/cult/transient-idiot (!) phenonmenon from the mid-70s. Can we all at least agree on that? I mean, the timimg, vis-a-vis the writing of the composition itself (check yer history/chronology, folks) is all wrong, for starters. It's either a generation gap thing, or a semi-gratuitous "my-village-is-better-than-your-village" snarkification. Note the rather obviously sarcastic reference to the infamous/dull-witted/sensationalist "news-paper" if in doubt. Really.


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 20:36:21 ET
Posted by: Kevin B.,

How many on this board have even been to Barrytown? That might give some clues. If Barrytown is white trash or high dollar that would affect the meaning.


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 20:26:48 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

And here I was thinking that Barrytown was an ode to Barry Manilow. Go figure.

Not certain as to whether the song was Moonie-inspired, but, according to Wiki anyway:

"The Messina Property, at the northern sector of the hamlet was purchased in 1929 by the New York District of the Roman Catholic religious institute, the Brothers of the Christian Schools, who established on that site the St. Joseph's Normal Institute as a teacher training facility for their Junior and Senior Novices. In the early 1970s the property was bought by the Unification Church, where its Unification Theological Seminary is located"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrytown,_New_York

Not sure if that settles anything definitively, but it begs the question, it's food for thought, it seems plausible, and several other cliches I can't think of at the moment.

On a completely unrelated note, the late Donna Summer was inducted into the R&R HOF today. I was listening to Scam, Aja, and lots of Return to Forever in the late 70's, and pretty much ignored "disco", but Donna Summer was pure magic, IMHO.


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 18:25:16 ET
Posted by: DonBreitaupt, Toronto

Isn't "Barrytown" pretty obviously about the generation gap? It was certainly still in full swing when Pretzel Logic came out. The narrator is telling the long-haired addressee: the way things were is fine; your clothing scares me; what you're carrying (a guitar? a pipe? a placard?) makes you a marked man; you didn't learn the Biblical "word" (see bridge); get out of here before sundown, because my neighbors aren't as friendly as I am.


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 15:41:07 ET
Posted by: Jeff R.,


Come on, what is Barrytown really about? Barrytown is in NY? None of these posts say anything. Where is the Dean, Dr Mu, Brain Strainer or Fagenism, somebody, anybody when you need them?


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 14:47:38 ET
Posted by: Gino, R

Barrytown is about Barrytown, New York.


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 14:06:13 ET
Posted by: DonBrithaupt, Toronto

I would agree that "Barrytown" is not about the Moonies, BUT the Moonies were <definitely> on everybody's radar by the mid-seventies: their big breakthrough event at MSG was in '74. Reagan-era mass weddings or no, they were much more associated with the seventies than the eighties (a Google search of "moonies seventies" yields roughly seven times as many results as a Google search of "moonies eighties")...

...and that's all for now from your resident seventiesologist!


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 13:39:20 ET
Posted by: errrr, no,

Barrytown is definitely not about the Moonies. Besides, the time lines don't add up. Moonies existed, but did not get worldwide attention until the 1980s with their mass weddings.

Zappa named his daughter Moon Unit on the basis of the Moonies. And since Zappa is Dangential that would be the only connection.


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 13:02:35 ET
Posted by: amelia, usa

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Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 12:09:43 ET
Posted by: JT Combs, London

I beg to differ... The Internet punk offered you the 1957 Tail-Fin Fiasco.

Which offers fantastic value.

Cheers to you all x


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 11:50:54 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

IIRC, Barrytown is about the Moonies, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonies


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 09:18:02 ET
Posted by: Chris, Nh

Snarky Puppy is incredible. Love those guys.

Any chance of posting the majority of the Uncut interview?


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 05:28:18 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

Phil: great Snarky Puppy link, a discovery for me. I'll be checking out more of their work. I insist: be sure to check out Corduroy's "January Woman" (another band that could have auditioned for DF's backing band).

As for the Uncut DF interview, I found this interesting:

DF: "Most guys like SD better, and most babes like my stuff better. I've heard that before".
Interviewer ("babe"): "What I remember was that SD was always considered a "boy's band""
DF: "Right. That's because part of what makes SD SD is, it's guys without chicks. Part of the sensibility is, it's not us really, but it's guys who have been rejected or guys looking for girls, or certainly guys speaking without girls in the room. So naturally, a lot of guys were in."
Interviewer: "I was more of a Jackson Browne fan."
DF: "You and a whole army of babes."
Interviewer: "Since we both agree SD wasn't a girl's band... was that reflected in the audience?"
DF: "Sure. Yeah, we had very low female demographics."
Interviewer: "Very much like a 70's Metallica"
DF: "(...)When Walter and I first got together, it was like two boys talking. My stuff isn't exclusionary. Clubby. For males only. And if you listen to Walter's stuff, even though it's raunchy it's not just a guy's thing."

I guess this is mostly about lyrical content. But even considering only the musical side of the equation, I'd say this guys/babes thing is true. Take my wife (then girlfriend): as a non-English speaker she was always more attracted to "The Nightfly" or "Kamakiriad" than to any SD album (with the possible exception of "Gaucho"). She found SD "odd", "strangely melancholic", "bittersweet"... which she didn't say about DF's work.


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 03:17:52 ET
Posted by: Phil, Pau France

Hi Don and Hutch, glad to see you dig them ,I thought nobody had read my message !


Date: Tues, December 11, 2012, 01:15:22 ET
Posted by: DonBreithaupt, Toronto

Snarky Puppy rules, on every level: writing, playing, blowing, and (especially) GROOVING!


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 20:50:12 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Philippe - Snarky Puppy is quite an exciting group. The new face of jazz. The New Breed you might say.
Thanks for the link.


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 18:33:50 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

Regarding Billie Rubin's post, the quote from Donald Fagen relating to Paul Simon is from this article from Rolling Stone India: http://rollingstoneindia.com/paul-simon’s-restless-journey (it's a few paragraphs down), and the quote is part of Paul Simon's wikipedia page as well. I have no idea why Donald Fagen was giving some sort of analysis on Paul Simon (I imagine the writer of that article asked him), but apparently, it happened.

As far as the title of the album goes, I'm not sure why Billie Rubin brought up the global warming thing. As the Dean said, Fagen has mentioned the album title as a modern update to Debussy's Sunken Cathedral that is symbolic of the economic climate but also open to numerous other interpretations. Donald Fagen has mentioned the sociological implications as a possible other interpretation, but as far as I'm aware, he has never mentioned global climate change as an interpretation. That doesn't mean you can't interpret it that way, but I certainly don't think an "I told you so" is warranted in this situation.

Of course, it's possible that Billie Rubin is referring to an interview or some other documentation of Sunken Condos being related to global warming somehow of which no one else seems to be aware.


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 17:34:37 ET
Posted by: DF interview,

British magazine Uncut has a really good interview with Donald.

"I don't really work well with other people, except for Walter. Even that started to get a little thornier as we got older."


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 17:15:04 ET
Posted by: JT Combs, London

Hey all,

Check out The 1957 Tail-Fin Fiasco on SoundCloud.

If Steely Dan were from Essex ....

Cheers to us all x


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 16:42:23 ET
Posted by: this place is getting too bizarre, when the Dean is the only one making sense


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 15:48:49 ET
Posted by: Anyway, .

What's the status of that "one off", "lighter" thing DF was working on?


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 14:28:17 ET
Posted by: WTF?,

Why was DF writing about that neurotic dwarf Paul Simon and his NY Jew proclivities? Or was he?

That post is baffling.

Billie Rubin must be from Colorado or Washington State. I know they legalized it, but you have to ease up on that reefer when you post.


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 14:19:00 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

There deen goes again (the guy just doesn't take a hint, does he?)


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 13:12:55 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Regarding the title of Sunken Condos and its relationship to global warming---

Don has discussed the meaning of the title on several occasions and I don't believe he ever mentioned global warming. He has mentioned the financial situation and even Debussy's Sunken Cathedral.

Billie, while I'm not saying global warming doesn't play some part in this (who really knows with Don), what would prompt you to post that "I told you so" comment? Psychic or psychotic?


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 11:35:13 ET
Posted by: Paul Simon,

You know, of Simon and Garfunkel, Bridge Over Troubled Water, 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover...


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 11:16:12 ET
Posted by: Dude, you lost me here,

"Donald Fagen has described Simon's childhood as that of "a certain kind of New York Jew, almost a stereotype, really, to whom music and baseball are very important. I think it has to do with the parents. The parents are either immigrants or first-generation Americans who felt like outsiders, and assimilation was the key thought - they gravitated to black music and baseball looking for an alternative culture." Simon, upon hearing Fagen's description, said it "isn't far from the truth."




P.S.) Told ya the album title had something to do with global warming... Psychic? Yes PSYCHIC!"

Questions:

Who is Simon?

Fagen fits the stereotype as a black man in a white body, musically.
And on Morph he name checks the Yankees, not the Knicks or Giants.

What is the connection to the title of SC? We still don't know for sure what SC means, and what you wrote here brings us no closer to that.


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 10:21:36 ET
Posted by: Billie Rubin, 50 Ways

"Donald Fagen has described Simon's childhood as that of "a certain kind of New York Jew, almost a stereotype, really, to whom music and baseball are very important. I think it has to do with the parents. The parents are either immigrants or first-generation Americans who felt like outsiders, and assimilation was the key thought - they gravitated to black music and baseball looking for an alternative culture." Simon, upon hearing Fagen's description, said it "isn't far from the truth."




P.S.) Told ya the album title had something to do with global warming... Psychic? Yes PSYCHIC!


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 06:30:04 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

There does not seem to be any official word from DF or warners that Miss Marlene has been released as a single in the UK but Radio 2 have it down as their single of the week !? I must say I am surprised if it has been released coz whilst it is a great song it does not have hit single potential, though i may be wrong. Surely Weather In My Head was the obvious single release ? Not that it matters because I doubt Don would have a hit single anyway the state the industry is in at the moment. I think everyone that wanted to buy SC has already done so and it was great to get as high as it did in the charts, a splendid effort.


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 02:35:51 ET
Posted by: Phil, Pau

Hello everybody, look at that, Donald's new backing band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RluNrXjP3zY

I love the comment:
"The chord changes were scribbled onto a napkin for Shaun Martin to follow. You can see him lookin over on the left of the organ. It was his first time hearing this song. He then proceeded to beat the B3 like it owed him money"

They played in Paris last week in a small club, go see them if you can.
Have a nice day
Philippe


Date: Mon, December 10, 2012, 00:42:23 ET
Posted by: Technicolor Motorhome, SE USA

If you are looking for a good concert while SD if off the road, I saw two within the last week and one a few weeks before that.

Tonight - Brian Stezer Orchestra - great show
a few days ago - The Who - great show
a couple of weeks ago - Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull - great show

Setzer might be the preferred show of Dan fans due to the horns and girl backup singers. The opening act is a bit strange - "Totsy" (some young lady Broadway star who is from Calif. not NY doing a retro music thing like an R - rated Patsy Cline or something.)


Date: Sun, December 09, 2012, 22:05:11 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, up on the hill

nice to see the latest Beach Boys album get some mention on this board.

i'm a huge fan and there's some wonderful stuff on there. Gorgeous harmonies and a quirkiness only Brian Wilson can bring to the table. The title track is fabulous and the 3-song "suite" that closes the album is jaw-dropping.

I've often wondered about Don & Walt's opinion of Brian and the boys. Getting to hear Donald and the Dukes perform "Help Me Rhonda" was one of the better concert moments I've ever experienced. Was the line "wouldn't it be nice" from EMG a nod to Pet Sounds?


Date: Sun, December 09, 2012, 21:27:33 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Sunken Condos may not be sunk yet.

Remember that DF has several more bullets in the chambers with Weather, Ghetto and Miss Marlene as singles that are stronger than INTSWY.

Weather finished a strong #21 on the Rolling Stone list, yet unreleased. It needs to drop no later than Jan 2013. The all important sticker on the CD had Ghetto as a third release, it could generate some cult interest or could be re-formulated as a club mix.

UK posters said that Miss Marlene was a UK release, and was getting airplay. Has it been picking up steam in the UK? Sometimes these singles boomerang back to the US with a strong UK showing.

I've seen many times where even the third or fourth single resurrects a sleeper album into the Top 10.




Date: Sun, December 09, 2012, 21:18:34 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, up on the hill

Well Now,

I didn't want to seem unnecessarily bubble-gummed before my more urbane and tasteful friends here on the Blue, but...I've given the new Beach Boys album quite a few spins. Truth be told, though I've listened in secret (though at ear-shattering decibel levels on my old "boombox" PC with WMP), it's one of my favorites from this year, along with new stuff from Joe Walsh, Dwight Yoakum (you can take the boy out of Texas, et cetera), and of course Donald's fab new set.

Strangely enough, the new one sounds just like...like the Beach Boys, to my unsophisticated ear. What a difference Brian makes, no?

As for the whole Top-whatever "list," I'm in agreement--from the perspective of my own appreciation, they're missing a few good discs there. But that's the nature of the almighty artist formerly known as Rolling Stone magazine...


Okay,
Bobbo


Date: Sun, December 09, 2012, 20:52:47 ET
Posted by: george w.,

sid wrote


"george w.: That would funny if Barrytown wasn't written in 1974"

Fact is, Barrytown is pre-CBAT and was written possibly around 1968 or 69, or well before Pretzel Logic.

The dates are not important to the post anyway.

I guess the only ones not laughing now would be Marion Barry and yourself.




Date: Sun, December 09, 2012, 19:47:20 ET
Posted by: Random, Thought

I think DF should have left the lyric "brick shit house" in his cover of Out of the Ghetto. It flows better.


Date: Sun, December 09, 2012, 17:03:08 ET
Posted by: Hot Sweaty Guy, New York

Rolling Stone's "Top 50 albums of 2012 list" is pure garbage. I'm glad Sunken Condos made the list, but putting Taylor Swift's Red on there just proves to me how lame these reviewers are. I'm very surprised the new Beach Boys "That's Why God Made the Radio" CD isn't on the list.


Date: Sun, December 09, 2012, 07:29:02 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, the lighting booth

Thanks to Dan B for the songwriter interview, and also to Jive for the info and heartbreaking poem about one of the darkest eras in European history.

Apart from that ... "Hey you with that bass clarinet! Yeah, you, Roger Rosenberg! I can see from what you carry that you come from baritone!" ;o)


Date: Sun, December 09, 2012, 00:08:59 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Washington Twp NJ

Sunken Condos also was ranked #25 by Rolling Stone on their "Top 50 Albums of 2012" list. Pretty impressive feat for Mr. Fagen when you consider he is ahead on the list of the likes of Taylor Swift and other chart topping pop icons.


Date: Sat, December 08, 2012, 20:09:50 ET
Posted by: hemiola,

Thanks to Dan Belcher for the DF interview in www.songfacts.com
For the songwriter aficianado it is very full of other interviews including sidemen and producers. Been on it all day!


Date: Sat, December 08, 2012, 19:27:56 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata, Mr. Chow's, midnight

More on the "More Light!", DF, Hecht, Blucher connection, from Donald's website:

http://donaldfagen.com/biography_nobiz.php

1965 - 1980:

In the fall of '65, Donald enters Bard College in Annandale-on-Hudson, NY where he seesaws between majors in English literature and music. His professors include Robert Kelly, ANTHONY HECHT and Baruch Hochman (literature), HEINRICH BLUCHER (philosophy) and Jacob Druckman (musical composition). In his third year (the rich-hued mid-sixties having given way to the psychedelic late sixties), he meets freshman guitarist Walter Becker, already a veteran of several blues bands. After discovering many common interests (jazz, Chicago blues, soul music, science fiction, writers of the so-called "black humor school), the two undergraduates begin collaborating on songs and playing in assorted pickup bands. They listen to Motown singles and Laura Nyro albums on the massive Ampex studio monitors that Walter has set up in his dorm room. They also get some studio experience when fellow student Terence (Boona) Boylan, having scored a record contract, hires them to play on sessions for his album, Alias Boona.


Date: Sat, December 08, 2012, 18:39:39 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Mr. Chow's, midnight

More light, more light, more light.... (Slinky Thing)

Fagen attended Bard College, majoring in English Lit. An earlier Bard alum was Anthony Hecht, a noted poet who penned "More Light! More Light!", dedicated to Heinrich Blücher and Hannah Arendt. Hecht graduated Bard in 1944, and was drafted into the 97th Infantry Division, WWII in 1945. Blucher was a professor at Bard, and is burried with his wife, Hannah Arendt at the Bard College Cemetary in Annandale, NY.

Their lives and writings are strongly influenced by Jewish, Holocaust themes.

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/179058

“More Light! More Light!”

By Anthony Hecht 1923–2004 Anthony Hecht

for Heinrich Blücher and Hannah Arendt

Composed in the Tower before his execution
These moving verses, and being brought at that time
Painfully to the stake, submitted, declaring thus:
“I implore my God to witness that I have made no crime.”


Nor was he forsaken of courage, but the death was horrible,
The sack of gunpowder failing to ignite.
His legs were blistered sticks on which the black sap
Bubbled and burst as he howled for the Kindly Light.


And that was but one, and by no means one of the worst;
Permitted at least his pitiful dignity;
And such as were by made prayers in the name of Christ,
That shall judge all men, for his soul’s tranquillity.


We move now to outside a German wood.
Three men are there commanded to dig a hole
In which the two Jews are ordered to lie down
And be buried alive by the third, who is a Pole.


Not light from the shrine at Weimar beyond the hill
Nor light from heaven appeared. But he did refuse.
A Lüger settled back deeply in its glove.
He was ordered to change places with the Jews.


Much casual death had drained away their souls.
The thick dirt mounted toward the quivering chin.
When only the head was exposed the order came
To dig him out again and to get back in.


No light, no light in the blue Polish eye.
When he finished a riding boot packed down the earth.
The Lüger hovered lightly in its glove.
He was shot in the belly and in three hours bled to death.


No prayers or incense rose up in those hours
Which grew to be years, and every day came mute
Ghosts from the ovens, sifting through crisp air,
And settled upon his eyes in a black soot.



Date: Sat, December 08, 2012, 18:22:17 ET
Posted by: sid,

george w.: That would funny if Barrytown wasn't written in 1974


Date: Sat, December 08, 2012, 12:35:35 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

Great Fagen interview that talks a lot about songwriting: http://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/donald_fagen/


Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 23:02:36 ET
Posted by: george w.,

Barrytown is a mockery of Washington DC and the stupidity of the residents there who elected Marion Barry as mayor not once, but twice after he was caught on tape snorting coke with a hooker in a DC hotel.


Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 20:29:42 ET
Posted by: Feeling stupid, AAA ball

Wow, all this time I though Barrytown (thought it was Barry Town)was about baseball and steroids, with Barry Bonds being the poster child.

"I'm not one to look behind, I know that times must change." Here I thought the narrator was conceding that steroids have taken over baseball and it's a new era.

"I can see by what you carry that you come from Barry Town." The telltale sign of steroid use is that your "package" shrivels up.

and I thought the line went...

"In the big inning we recalled that the 'roids were hurled."

Guess I need to start reading the lyric sheets. So, what then is this song about?




Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 17:15:59 ET
Posted by: Strainer, Barrytown


Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 15:31:20 ET
Posted by: Bored, @work

Here's an easier link

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/50-best-songs-of-2012-20121205/donald-fagen-weather-in-my-head-19691231


Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 15:12:00 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, in the end

"Weather In My Head" made #21 in RollingStone's best songs of 2012. Way to go Donald, but certainly not my favorite tune from Condos.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/50-best-songs-of-2012-20121205


Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 14:11:45 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

"In the beginning" used on Godwhacker is actually the second use of that lyric in a SD tune. Name the first.


Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 13:57:14 ET
Posted by: I know, v

In The Beginning....


Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 13:48:57 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer, On the other hand......

lots of demigods, prophets etc. got "whacked" in the actual Old Testament....


Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 13:41:21 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

This might be a "Strainer" level question.

I would say that the general presumption is that the "Testament" terms apply strictly to Steely Dan releases, the "Old Testament" being the first seven albums thru Gaucho; New Testament being post-year 2000 TAN and EMG. Again, usually applied to Dan-only albums.

If we were include Nightfly, Kama and 11TOW as pre-2000 "Dan" (Old Testament?) releases, and the presumption that Godwhacker is strongly derived from Greenflower St. off of Nightfly, then there could be an Old Testament connection, so to speak.

If there is a sonic derivation or thematic connection of Godwhacker to any tunes on CBAT thru Gaucho, Old Testament strictly speaking, (which cannot be ruled out), it would be interesting.


Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 13:11:19 ET
Posted by: Quiz, 2

Explain how Godwhacker could be considered "Old Testament."


Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 11:06:53 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager, Bikini Atoll

The most recent Brain Hemorrhager was:


"Tonite's Hemorrhager deals with Sunken Condos and Old Testament Dan. A Brain Hemorrhager, as opposed to a Brain Strainer, has a difficulty level of greater than 7.5 out of 10.

Memorabilia has inspired much praise from many listeners such as being a "spectacular pop tune", as well as debate as to which is more catchy, the verse OR the chorus. No matter which camp you are in--it's ALLLLLL good.

Focus in on the horn parts of Memorabilia during the lyrics of "Lovely island, East of the Carolines, lovely island.... Those horn parts should be reminiscent of a very similar, if not exact horn riff leading into the last refrain before the outro of an Old Testament Dan tune.

Difficulty level is prolly between 8 and 9 out of 10."


EPILOGUE

Quite a few surprises on this one, which being a "Hemorrhager" was kind of tough and generated diverse responses for those distinctive horn riffs in Memorabilia.

Among the suggestions was the title track TAN, which does have some horn riffs in the outro. However TAN is a New Testament tune, and those riffs are more "minor" and mournful than the ones in question. Dirty Work, an Old Testament tune was mentioned several times, but the horn riffs are higher pitched and not properly placed in the song, as was pointed out by a few posters. The muted horns also were not in question as was also brought up.

Two songs from Gaucho were mentioned, Babylon Sisters, and My Rival. The horn riffs in Babylon ARE similar, but again the placement is not specifically prior to the last refrain before the outro. My Rival, which has that "lope" and similar horns is not the best fit either, for the same reasons.

On my first few listens of Memorabilia, upon hearing those BACKGROUND, unmuted horns layered behind "Lovely island, East of the Carolines, lovely island..." my mind kept jumping to hear "I can't cry anymore...", but was interrupted, of course, by a quick lyrical return to "Can you see the Memorabilia". In addition, the horns throughout Memorabilia, with the exception of the cornet snippets are very "bovine" as in the tune we were looking for which was indeed Black Cow. Horns are not really pronounced in Black Cow until just before the last refrain prior to the outro, then they proceed to dominate the outro. The poster Nick R. took the "cow (bull?) by the horns" and within about 10 minutes was first with the best fit response.

The poster "Freddie" deserves honourable mention for his dead "nuts on" rationale of selecting Black Cow as the tune in question. See his post for details.








Date: Fri, December 07, 2012, 08:40:39 ET
Posted by: Freddie, F

"if not exact horn riff leading into the last refrain before the outro of an Old Testament Dan tune. "

The key here is a horn riff leading into the REFRAIN. Assuming it's at the end of the interlude/solo, not many songs go into the refrain after. Black Cow and Dirty Work are two that have been submitted so far, but Dirty Work just fades from the refrain and doesn't have an outro. I also don't think it's similar to Memorabilia.

I don't hear anything distinct about the lead into the last refrain of Deacon Blues, but Black Cow does have the little horn riff giving it a push out of the electric piano solo that's not there in the first two instances of the refrain.


Date: Thurs, December 06, 2012, 20:25:51 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

@ Brain Heamorrager,

Is it Deacon Blues?


Date: Thurs, December 06, 2012, 16:04:03 ET
Posted by: Mr. Gore, Ocean of Misery

Actually-

I doubt Warner even bothered sending in INTSWY in as a nominee. It was released only just before the deadline. It's my understanding that labels need to be proactive in sending in nominees.

We can dream about next year though!


Date: Thurs, December 06, 2012, 10:52:40 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Really, what does it matter? The Grammys are a farce. It's just a glorified advertisement for the industry to pat itself on the back.

We're adults. As such, we can determine for ourselves what's good in music without allowing someone else to make that decision for us.


Date: Thurs, December 06, 2012, 10:49:49 ET
Posted by: Actually,

Regarding the Grammys, Only "I'm Not The Same Without You" is eligible for the latest nominations as an individual song. Since SC came out after October 1, 2012, it's not eligible until the February 2014 Grammy awards. Typically, that means it will be forgotten by then, not that it deserves to be forgotten.

All that aside, I recognized next to nothing on the Grammy nominations list. I used to buy a CD once a week 15-20 years ago. I'd do the same now if there was something worth buying. Getting Sunken Condos reminds me how much I looked forward to and was inspired by good, new music that had a communal experience of popularity.


Date: Thurs, December 06, 2012, 10:17:12 ET
Posted by: search, kb

http://www.grammy.com/nominees

Not a trace of SC with all those categories.


Date: Thurs, December 06, 2012, 02:44:14 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Memorabilia horns before the chorus cause me to think of the last bits of the track Two Against Nature.


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 20:55:36 ET
Posted by: Okaaaaaay, Try this?

It's not listed on the ballot, but at least you can write in DF's SC here for this one...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/bestmusic2012/2012/12/05/166231006/vote-for-the-best-music-of-2012


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 20:43:17 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

http://www.jambands.com/news/2012/12/05/jimmy-herring-wayne-krantz-michael-landau-keith-carlock-and-etienne-mbappe-will-share-the-stage-in-february/


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 19:54:27 ET
Posted by: Okaaaaaay, Wait, what?

Apparently there are at least 50 albums from 2012 "better" than Sunken Condos...

http://www.americansongwriter.com/2012/12/american-songwriters-top-50-albums-of-2012/

...Eh, whatever.


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 19:22:17 ET
Posted by: Bobbo, Up on the Hill

Hey Brainstrainer--"Babylon Sisters" has the best example of that muted coronet/trumpet lick, if that's what you're after...but for pure, blissful chording from the whole section, it's very close to "Deacon Blues" to my ears...and just a hair away from "Dirty Work" too!


Okay,
Bobbo


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 16:00:33 ET
Posted by: search, kb

When the World Was ‘Mad About Brubeck’: Dave Brubeck, 1920-2012

http://ca.music.yahoo.com/blogs/stop-the-presses/world-mad-brubeck-dave-brubeck-1920-2012-180310597.html


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 14:03:18 ET
Posted by: Denise, Sad about Brubeck, indeed

Article now in the NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/arts/music/dave-brubeck-jazz-musician-dies-at-91.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1354734288-XCTR+HYY1nRS3woX1izndA&_r=0


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 12:26:02 ET
Posted by: An Artist, Q

He looked a lot like...

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/12/05/jazz-pianist-dave-brubeck-dies/


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 12:14:25 ET
Posted by: hoops, Sad about Brubeck; chicago, really on the quick, as usual

Nothing at NYTimes.com yet, although they had a great review of his 2010 show at the Blue Note.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/arts/music/29brubeck.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1354727578-aixPvU6adxuH4k9b8nszAA&_r=0

Chicago Tribune probably had it early because of its sister paper, Hartford Courant, local to where DB lived.


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 11:58:37 ET
Posted by: hoops, Sad about Brubeck; chicago, really on the quick, as usual

Geez...something like 15 hours shy of his 92nd birthday. Can't we argue the clocks needed adjustment and call it 92?

Hope DF eventually writes something at df.com or even the NYTimes.

What a great man, what a great legacy.


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 11:52:21 ET
Posted by: hoops, Sad about Brubeck; chicago, really on the quick, as usual


Dave Brubeck, RIP, at age 91.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-dave-brubeck-dead-20121205,0,7126256.column


Date: Wed, December 05, 2012, 11:16:33 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

Doc Mu, well said. The sound is remarkably perfect. I watched "Radio Bikini" the other day, and thought that the Memorabilila music could have served as the score for the movie.


Date: Tues, December 04, 2012, 22:21:11 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



BS: Babble on and on sistahs.


Memorabilia is masterful blending the sounds of something radioactive with South Pacific and a tast of big bands of the era...combining the ultimate beauty with the ultimate horror...



Date: Tues, December 04, 2012, 21:35:34 ET
Posted by: Mike in NYC,

SharkdeVille, Thanks for your thoughts on the theme of breaking-up on the new album.


Date: Tues, December 04, 2012, 19:33:36 ET
Posted by: Nick, R

Black Cow.


Date: Tues, December 04, 2012, 19:22:42 ET
Posted by: My Guess, here

My Rival


Date: Tues, December 04, 2012, 19:12:08 ET
Posted by: Brain Hemorrhager,

Tonite's Hemorrhager deals with Sunken Condos and Old Testament Dan. A Brain Hemorrhager, as opposed to a Brain Strainer, has a difficulty level of greater than 7.5 out of 10.

Memorabilia has inspired much praise from many listeners such as being a "spectacular pop tune", as well as debate as to which is more catchy, the verse OR the chorus. No matter which camp you are in--it's ALLLLLL good.

Focus in on the horn parts of Memorabilia during the lyrics of "Lovely island, East of the Carolines, lovely island.... Those horn parts should be reminiscent of a very similar, if not exact horn riff leading into the last refrain before the outro of an Old Testament Dan tune.

Diffculty level is prolly between 8 and 9 out of 10.


Date: Mon, December 03, 2012, 16:09:32 ET
Posted by: More, Stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenderloin,_Manhattan


Date: Mon, December 03, 2012, 10:56:21 ET
Posted by: The Snuggler, -

Beast without a name:

Don't you have any qualls about self promotion? Where is your hart?

Having said that -- awesome cover, great job!


Date: Mon, December 03, 2012, 06:27:20 ET
Posted by: Elton John, hanging out with Bernie

What about me? Some punk with a shotgun killed young Danny Bailey, in cold blood, in the lobby of a downtown hotel.


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 20:06:58 ET
Posted by: Man with no face, Beast with no name, etc, ?

A few weeks ago I recorded a cover of SURF AND OR DIE as a drums n' bass track. I had a lot of fun learning all the chords. And I kinda like the final product.

Many of you, however, may not - hence the anonymous post.

http://soundcloud.com/gettin-it-dunn/surf-and-or-die


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 18:11:59 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, now at Mr. Chow's

Dean,

Good point. My first interpretation was that the Rothstein/Diamond crew cabbed to the St. Mark, "do what they come to do" when the Weinberg brothers show up - "Weinberg brothers!.....run for cover!!..." As though once the brothers arrived, they needed to bolt. I think your take makes more sense. Then again, referring to the Schultz gang as a "small concern" makes me think that my whole theory may be full of cracks.

I think you're closer to the mark.


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 17:56:07 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Jive, good stuff (pun intended). I usually think it is a mistake to try to tie Don/Dan lyrics too closely to (as in the details) actual people or events, but in this case the similarities are remarkable.

What I find particularly interesting is, from the perspective of the narrator of the story, Diamond/Shultz (or whoever is the target of the initial attack) is a "small concern".

If I might pick one minor (and probably insignificant) nit with your excellent summary, it is this. I don't see the Weinberg brothers as reinforcements. Rather, I think they are part of the group lounging in the lobby of the St Mark. They run for cover, whilst firing their guns (Tommy gun?) when the attack starts.

Regarding Almost Gothic, I was always under the impression it was about (at least in some respect) Aimee Semple McPherson and the Foursquare church. However, I have seen a competing interpretation that is also pretty interesting. Almost Gothic might be about S&M. I can't say I totally buy that, but it does make me think, a bit. You can see that discussion and more here:

http://feverdreams.whatsmykarma.com/2AN.htm#GOTHIC


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 17:33:29 ET
Posted by: squirtin metal, u

Combining the two topics....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0bXH1YgKf4


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 17:03:37 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Nicholas,

Many thanks for the "Almost Gothic" Aimee Semple McPherson link.
International Church of the Foursquare Gospel.
She certainly led a colorful life, particularly the fake kidnapping.

Certainly, the Internet makes the Becker/Fagen/SD research far more interesting. Look for unusual words/phrases in the songs like "foursquare", "kick the gong around", "Weinberg brothers", and countless others, and sometimes, just sometimes you can decode some of the more cryptic lyrics. Then again, they often lead you even further down the abyss.


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 16:21:30 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Well done Jive. This whole time I thought "Squirting metal all over the place" was an analogy to you-know-what, yet this whole time it was really about mobsters 'spraying metal' aka gunfire.

Leave it to Donald to redefine 'obfuscation'.


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 15:53:17 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

JM - very nice. The same kind of thing as Almost Gothic and Aimee Semple McPherson.


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 13:31:05 ET
Posted by: search, kb

Website of the Sunken Condos illustrator

http://www.jeffwack.com/


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 11:31:04 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

More Good Stuff research:

"Jack "Legs" Diamond (born Jack Moran; July 10, 1897 – December 18, 1931), also known as Gentleman Jack, was an Irish-American gangster in Philadelphia and New York City during the Prohibition era. A bootlegger and close associate of gambler Arnold Rothstein, Diamond survived a number of attempts on his life between 1916 and 1931, causing him to be known as the "clay pigeon of the underworld". In 1930, Diamond's nemesis Dutch Schultz remarked to his own gang, "Ain't there nobody that can shoot this guy so he don't bounce back?""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Diamond_(gangster)

So Arnold Rothstein, known as "Bankroll" holds court at Lindy's, while Diamond does his dirty work, which brings him into direct conflict with Dutch Schultz. Schultz once drove a beer truck for Rothstein, but now he's built his own bootlegging empire. Rothstein/Diamond are now enemies of Dutch Schultz.

So Diamond's crew has been jacking beer trucks...Schultz's trucks.
They ambush some of Schultz's soldiers lounging in the lobby of the St. Marks in NY. Reinforcements arrive:

"Weinberg brothers, run for cover
Squirtin' metal all over the place.."

Two of Schultz's most powerful prohibition-era "enforcers" were Abe "Bo" Weinberg and his brother George Weinberg.

Diamond's mistress was Marion "Kiki" Roberts, a gun moll and Ziegfeld Follies girl. Unlike the unfortunate demise of "Julie", Kiki seemed to survive the 20's and 30's, unlike most of the gangsters she ran with.

So Donald creates fictional narratives using historical figures and composite metaphors, and with his signature brilliance, manages to capture a slice of an era with a few short verses.


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 08:49:53 ET
Posted by: squirtin' metal, B

I never watched Boardwalk Empire until a few months ago. I thought Michael Shannon (Van Alden) was great in the movie Take Shelter, should have gotten an Oscar nod. So I got the Boardwalk Empire DVDs from the library, and like anyone who's seen the show, it was the first thing that came to mind when I first heard Good Stuff.


Date: Sun, December 02, 2012, 05:13:59 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

Jive:

A serious man (and the entire Coens catalogue, essentially) is epic. Are you also a fan of Wes Anderson by any chance? I always thought of Bill Murray as a very Dan-like actor: cynical, hilarious, awkward, brilliant...


Date: Sat, December 01, 2012, 20:20:47 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I have never had the opportunity to watch Boardwalk Empire (though I am thinking about getting HBO as the buzz is so good). Also I am not typically that interested in these casting discussions. With that said, my first thought when Jives inquired on who might play the main character in Good Stuff was Steve Buscemi--perhaps when he was younger, though. A bit skeevy and, at least in my mind, fits the kind of guy who might have to off his girlfriend for sleeping around--and then go kick that gong around. One might think he is more the "punk Johnny Rome" type but to me Rome is probably more suave than our main character.

As to who might be able to credibly play a woman just quirky enough to be into collecting this sort of memorabilia I also thought of an actress who just might be a couple of years past when she was perfect: Parker Posey. I think Parker could still pull the role of the Exceptional Ivy King.


Date: Sat, December 01, 2012, 14:12:37 ET
Posted by: LR, Warm

Jive,

Michael Stuhlbarg has actually become
quite the "authoritative scholar" on
Arnold Rothstein. Even the writers
of show marvel at his knowledge of the
character.

Johnny,

So what was the date that Don gave
those demos to Michael? And were
all of the songs on SC written at
that time? Do we have an exact
confirmed timeline?


Date: Sat, December 01, 2012, 13:35:55 ET
Posted by: Punk, Johnny

As far as Boardwalk Empire being the inspiration for Good Stuff, the first episode aired Sept. 19, 2010. The song was likely written by then. Who knows, maybe he had been approached about writing the show's theme and it never panned out.


Date: Sat, December 01, 2012, 13:03:15 ET
Posted by: Punk, Johnny

Jive,

Seasons 1 and 2 are available on DVD and Blu Ray.


Date: Sat, December 01, 2012, 12:58:30 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Correction..Rothstein was whacked at Manhattan's Park Central Hotel, 11/4/28. He died 11/5/12 in Stuyvesant Polyclinic Hospital.

In Boardwalk Empire, Arnold Rothstein is portrayed by actor Michael Stuhlbarg. Since I don't get HBO, I haven't watched, but inspired by GS and several friends who describe it as "must see", I'm reconsidering my cable package. From what I've read, Charlie "Lucky" Luciano, Meyer Lansky and Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel work for Rothstein.

Stuhlbarg was absolutely brilliant in Joel and Ethan Coen's A Serious Man.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Fagen is a fan of Stuhlbarg, Boardwalk Empire, and the Coens.


Date: Sat, December 01, 2012, 12:32:06 ET
Posted by: Greg M, Not Patterson

Ray: my thoughts exactly as to the Boardwalk Empire link. May have been the influence for the tune. Though I never thought of the Jimmy connection...interesting


Date: Sat, December 01, 2012, 12:31:52 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Lurker Ray:

I've been doing some research on Good Stuff, taking some cues from the lyrics. In the 20's, during prohibition, the head of the Jewish Mafia was Arnold Rothstein of 1919's "Black Sox Scandal" infamy. He was often referred to as "Moses".

In the opening scene:

"I walked into LINDY'S, tired and tight,
Me and my Julie bee fightin' all night
BANKROLL don't like ity when I come in late..."

Per Wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rothstein :

"Rothstein frequently mediated differences between the New York gangs and reportedly charged a hefty fee for his services. His favorite "office" was LINDY'S RESTAURANT, at Broadway and 49th Street in Manhattan. He often stood on the corner surrounded by his bodyguards and did business on the street. Rothstein made bets and collected debts from those who had lost the previous day.[citation needed] Meanwhile, he exploited his role as mediator with the city's legitimate business world and soon forced Tammany Hall to recognize him as a necessary ally in its running of the city."

and,

"Rothstein's various nicknames were Mr. Big, The Fixer, The Man Uptown, The Big BANKROLL and The Brain."

Based on our lyrics: "It's a relief to take marchin' orders, and do just what I'm told", I deduce that our guy is a young foot-soldier in Arnold Rothstein's mob, 1928 or earlier (Rothstein was purportedly whacked by Dutch Schultz's crew in Newark, 1928).

The story ends with our guy arrives home "just about dawn", and finds Julie "my twist" (presumably in bed) with "that punk Johnny Rome". He "pops the both and ankles downtown" to a Tenderloin opium den. Fade to black.

Once again, Don leaves us hanging. Is this a young Meyer Lansky, or Jack "Legs" Diamond, both associated with Rothstein's sydicate at one time, both of whom became major organized crime figures, or just one of many anonymous drones from the era.




Date: Sat, December 01, 2012, 10:22:49 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

Perhaps it is just me, but it seems
like Donald is doing much more "press"
for SC than Morph, though it all seems
to be "radio". Probably much more in
his comfort zone and he seems to be
insisting that Michael tag along and
that also seems to raise his comfort
level. I think they are wonderful
together BTW.

"GOOD STUFF" -

I wonder if when Donald was writing
for what would be "SC" if he became
a fan of HBO series, "Boardwalk Empire"?
Though much of it is fiction, many
"major" characters of the prohibition
era are featured. Not to mention it
takes place in New Jersey and East
Paterson is of course name checked
in "GS".

The song "Good Stuff" could almost be
a narrative of the character, James
"Jimmy" Darmody as played wonderfully
by Micahel Pitt.

Sans the jaw dropping "Oedipus in reverse"
story line with his mother of course! ;O)

GS - Good Saturday All!

http://www.npr.org/2012/12/01/166260627/a-trove-of-chats-with-music-icons-now-online

Go Tide!


Date: Sat, December 01, 2012, 02:09:37 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

Jazzassin: great list - Hank Williams tops it off...
All of Jim Beard's stuff is off the hook and he is working on a solo piano album!
Since Kurt Rosenwinkel got some nice exposure by way of SC (and destroyed all hope that Skunk is coming back) -
his new 2cd set just came out, amazing.
Here is the link to the NYTimes review:
http://www.kurtrosenwinkel.com/archives/2762
Really cool of Donald to showcase such talent.
Robbie Krieger as well, who imo adds a lot of flavor to the cd.


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 22:47:44 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

SC - the movie

Who would play some our heroes, heroines and villains?

Marlene - Uma Thurman, in her Debbie Miller character from Hysterical Blindness

D'Rhonda - Tina Turner, or if you insist on an actress, Beyonce Knowles. Hmmm, Angela Bassett? Dunno, I just picture a big, veluptuous black woman.

Good Stuff - I was thinking Christopher Walken, but he's a little too tall and elegant. Our guy's a grunt, taking "marchin' orders" from Bankroll, his boss. A violent, wiry, tough guy in the Jewish Mafia. Adrien Brody? A young James Caan, perhaps?

Ivy King - what actress could play the role of a pure fission nuclear bomb?

**********

Read a review of SC on Hoops' Dandom Digest from "Mark" who pointed out that there are no tenor sax solos on SC. Michael plays a sweet trumpet on Memo, and the overall horn arrangements are sublime throughout, but very little solo stuff. Also read a review from Australia (I think?) who pointed out something that I've observed over the years of SD and Fagen solo recordings - Donald indeed has "perfect pitch" in the studio.


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 21:55:53 ET
Posted by: El Sup, Louisville, KY

Hey everyone!

Does anyone have a decent sounding audio file of the Dukes performance of I'll Be Good to You from the Jimmy Fallon show? I'm not talking audiophile quality or anything but the only version left that I can find is the one on youtube and it sounds rather poor. Mp3 or whatever. Not trying to break the hoopster's rule about requesting bootlegs but this was broadcast on national TV so I'm hoping this falls into the grey area.

Take care and thanks to anyone that can help me out,

El Sup


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 13:25:00 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Philly Dog (D'Rhonda's dance)

Recorded by the Mar-Keys (originally The Royal Spades) in 1966 on their "The Great Memphis Sound" album on Stax. Stax was founded in 1957 (originally as Satellite Records) by Jim Stewart and Estelle Axton (STewart/AXton = Stax). The name changed to Stax in 1961.

The Stax #1 star was Otis Redding, and their house band was Booker T and the MGs. Mar-Keys were founded by MGs guitarist Steve Cropper and Memphis Horns' Wayne Jackson. Donald "Duck" Dunn of MGs fame and yes, Isaac Hayes joined the crew, with Al Jackson Jr. and Andrew Love. "Philly Dog" was composed by Rufus Thomas - In the movie Kill Bill 2, the character Rufus, played by Samuel L. Jackson is asked by the character Reverend Harmony who he has played with. The first answer is "Rufus Thomas" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_Thomas .

On You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGBREYow29A


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 10:54:49 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Ray, thanks for posting. I liked the interview and you make a good point re: the touring question. Ancient history to us, not so much to those with a more, ahem, diverse array of interests


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 10:28:03 ET
Posted by: Bren, London UK

Huge thanks to Jive for the joyous Kurt Rosenwinkel "Zhivago" clip....sumptuous big band playing and wonderful arrangement.....will keep him on my radar...thanks again Bren London UK


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 09:49:58 ET
Posted by: Ray, Albany, NY

Thanks for listening to my interview with DF this week on WAMC. He did seem to be in a good mood. In answering the (valid) critique regarding the 2nd question of the interview - on the reasons to resume touring in the early 90's, I would say that you guys know the answer (and have heard it, all too often!) and so do I. We're very serious fans of Steely Dan. However, many - probably most - of our listeners probably haven't heard that question or the answer. The real danger for somebody like me doing an interview with somebody that has been #1 on my hit parade for almost 40 years is that the interview could get to be too "inside baseball" for the casual listener. It's tough to strike that balance. Anyway, I'm pretty happy with the way it turned out. Thanks for checking it out.


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Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 09:28:04 ET
Posted by: jazzassin, in absinthia

Dean, stay cool and keep posting. Jazzassins, trolls and flamers might as well die.

January Girl sounded a bit like Monkey House too. Catchy stuff, indeed.

Thanks for all good links of lately, folks.


Re: What else do we listen to these days?

Jim Beard solo albums, Pat Metheny (the whole catalog), Kurt R solo, Return To Forever live from 2011 w/ Ponty & Gambale, 70's Zappa, Jon H solo, Norwegian jazz/elektronika project "Jökleba", 70's & 80's King Crimson, Freddie Hubbard, Dylan, Hank Williams III - Straight To Hell.

Fagenism & Goblin, those duos can't be overrated. I for one could also add Ellington/Strayhorn and Bacharach/David to the list.


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 09:12:31 ET
Posted by: Goblin, UK

Fagenism - Two is a magic number alright. When I really break down which musicians have affected me the most over the decades, and have had the most mind-blowing creative output, I end up with three pairs in the top five - Don and Walt, Metheny and Mays, Lennon and McCartney.


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 08:47:38 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

The Dean - Got your back man. You're a good guy and an interesting contributor to the Blue.
It's about the music and the ultra talented musicians who create it folks.
It's NOT about personal slams.


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 08:26:50 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

...I meant it sounds LIKE a tribute. Not afraid to wear their influences on this one, Corduroy.


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 08:21:34 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

Fagenism: Yes, another long wait... hopefully made shorter by finding SD/WB/DF-related material here in Cyberland, which has become one of my favourite pastimes. Demos, b-sides, live recordings of decent quality, interviews, reviews, covers by other artists, even tracks by hip-hop "artists" who've sampled SD (check out yamanzmusic, a Brit guy who's put together a mashup of sorts entitled Steelmatic by using early SD samples and Nas rhymes... unless this is anathema here in the bluebook, in which case I apologise!)
As for other dangentially music (or not), I suggest Corduroy, a British 90's "acid jazz" band that I love. Nothing close to SD lyrics-wise, but great, groovy music with a few surprising jazzy twists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht3jJGpyB9Q

"January Woman" ("Out of Here", 94) screams SD all over. It almost sounds as a tribute...


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 07:38:08 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Snowbound

Dean:

I have a feeling all these nicks flaming you belong to the same person. Do know you have fans in here.

That said, there is a lesson worth repeating here: internet trolls should never, under any circumstance, be fed.

*

All:

Now that we have digested Sunken Condos, another period of the dreaded waiting game begins. What is everyone spinnin' these days? Any recommendations?

As previously mentioned, I get deeper and deeper into Metheny land. Metheny and Mays seem to share the same sort of dual brain wizardry as Don and Walt. Also, I like to return to the old Joni Mitchell classics when Xmas time is near. My gosh, does she know how to write a hook. Mind you, she does have that dirty tendency to incorporate all 12 chromatic tones into every single chord.

Still waiting for Don and/or Joni to reach that special Duran Duran music mastery.


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 06:13:43 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Victoria, Oslo

Jive,

I saw & heard Kurt Rosenwinkel Standards Trio (Josh Ginsberg, bass & Colin Stranahan, drums) live in Oslo, Norway two weeks ago. It was a memorable night of great music. Stranaham impressed just as much as Kurt himself, and his always adventurous and somewhat wild drum style made sure this trio, though playing well known material (standards) only, never sounded anything but ekstremely fresh and vital.

Here's a few pictures from the gig taken by my son for his new blog project:

http://ohyesjazz.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/kurt-rosenwinkel-standards-trio/

Go see them if you get the chance, folks.


Date: Fri, November 30, 2012, 00:12:11 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Jive, that was fantastic. Thanks for posting that fabulous performance of a great composition.

Also thanks to "sunken podcast" whoever you might be. I am unfamiliar with all of the participants, but their different perspectives made for an interesting discussion, for the most part. I didn't even retch at the comments from the dude with an association to Duran Duran (a band that always made me retch). What I did find a bit odd was the response to the guy who claimed he has listened to SC about 20 time. "Why?" said the host. Yes, he did say it with a laugh--but the idea that someone might listen to an album that has been out for well over a month 20 times really isn't that odd, is it? What I would have reacted to was the comment from one participant that he heard it once, earlier in the day, to be ready for the conversation. These guys seem bright enough, and they also seem to understand Don's music is a bit more complex than most. But nobody mentioned that perhaps one listen wasn't enough in this instance.


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 23:12:36 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Donald know talent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiw8CTK2o_Q

Some mighty tasty solo work, Zhivago, from guitar virtuoso Kurt Rosenwinkel of D'Rhonda fame.


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 22:07:19 ET
Posted by: the real dean, you know it

The Deans arrogance is a way to cover his lack of personal ability.

he has been draining the welfare system for about 10 years by not working, drinking, and betting welfare checks on horses.


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 20:55:17 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Hey y'all...

We are all here to celebrate the wonderful music of SD.

Let's focus on that and ease off on the flame game.

Ta.

On topic,i didnt like a coupla tracks,at ifrst,on SC-needless to say they are now my favourites...lol

How does The Don do that??...:.)


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 20:52:26 ET
Posted by: Anna E., Hamilton ON

I agree the Dean has very few original thoughts and he tries to spin it his way like a put down to the other poster lots of times.


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 20:45:44 ET
Posted by: roscoe,

All the Dean does is take other people's posts and he puts them into his own words and makes like he himself came up with it. Not much thinking there.


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 19:36:54 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, mostly working, sometimes lurking

Re: Sunken Podcast

Most Hilarious Hyperbole Prize 2012 goes to Rich Hilton from Chic for this one (about Don):

"All twelve chromatic tones into every chord, in one form or another, and I have to admire that about the man, even though it's not something I like to do in every chord."

Exactly, Rich. It's probably a good idea that you don't.

He dug the album, though. :o)


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 18:42:59 ET
Posted by: A, Dude

Dean,

Shame on you for showing interest and putting thought into many of the topics broached here.


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 18:18:24 ET
Posted by: DonBreithaupt, Toronto

My Aja book is now available as an audiobook!

http://www.amazon.com/Steely-Dans-Aja-33-Series/dp/B008P73M8C

(Hope the guy pronounced all those chord changes correctly...)


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 17:43:18 ET
Posted by: eye in the sky,

To the Dean

The poster It's Like This might not say much, but he has incisive insights.

You, the so called "Dean" drone on about other people's writings and do not put out any original material. You are like an announcer at a racetrack, useless to someone who is already watching the race.

The problem with this is, and "It's Like This", people can READ the posts on their own. They already know where the horses are placing in the race and don't need to be told by you.

You need to put out MORE of your OWN original material if you can even do that. And stop regurgitating the work of others which you are, frankly, not particularly good at doing just to hear yourself talk. Or rather, see yourself write.


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 14:48:06 ET
Posted by: sunken podcast,

Geez Nigel, couldn't hunt a bit? I did say toward the end.

But specifically, go to 51:36 for Fagen talk. You probably won't be satisfied by that either.


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 13:37:43 ET
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Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 13:11:23 ET
Posted by: Nigel,

sunken podcast - Thanks, but if you put up an hour plus video could you at least tell us the minute mark where they start talking about the record?


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 11:43:46 ET
Posted by: sunken podcast,

Some British (and one American) audio professionals discuss Sunken Condos at the end of their weekly podcast. Most like it, the guy who worked for Duran Duran hated it.

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2012/11/29/podcast-sonic-talk-293-my-golden-spanner-/


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 11:27:10 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Believe that was a Canadian chap who was commenting on clueless goers to a SD concert...VERY funny wherein the kid says something to the effect of "Steely Dan was OK but JOURNEY'S GONNA ROCK THIS TOWN!"

Funny guy - tell deen to F-off (deen; I knew Rajah and you're no Rajah)


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 10:53:42 ET
Posted by: EC, NY

Speaking of funny stuff, I read something on here some time ago and I'd like to get permission to repost it elsewhere. It was posted in the last couple or 3 years, and featured short interviews with clueless SD fans. One guy said Don & Walt met when they played in the band Wet Willie, somebody called all the post 1980 material "filler", and another liked The Dan but thought Journey would "rock this town" better. And so on. Very funny & creative stuff.

I don't know who wrote it, I cribbed it and printed it without the poster info. I did a quick search here for it, but couldn't locate it. I thought it would be easier to try to jog someone else's memory. I also want to be able to give proper credit to the writer. If anyone remembers the post and can help me out I'd really appreciate it.


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 10:20:32 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

DYLYNFAN,

There is no feud. You really can't have a feud with an Internet punk who offers ZERO value to the forum, can you? He's just a stalker who comments on other posters and virtually never posts about anything Steely Dan related. So really if anyone should leave...

I've learned to consider criticism from douchebags as compliments, really. If Hoops, Jazzassin, Steelydoc, etc has something to say about my posts, I welcome the exchange. But why get upset when someone as insignificant as "It's like" spews his inane garbage?

This is the only post I will make on the matter. No need to clutter the board with more extraneous nonsense.



Revisiting the WAMC interview for a second, I found it interesting that Don spoke very openly and candidly about the meaning of the songs. I know this isn't the first time, but this time he seemed more open about it than usual. Perhaps it was because the interviewer got him started with reasonable interpretations.



Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 09:55:40 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Its like this, I heard you the first time! Consider this "twitter feud" or "beef" over as I am taking your advice!


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 09:42:19 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Funny guy - my advice is for you to move on to some sites that offer advice to the love-lorn (you can probably use the "F Word" there too)


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 09:42:14 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Funny guy - my advice is for you to move on to some sites that offer advice to the love-lorn (you can probably use the "F Word" there too)


Date: Thurs, November 29, 2012, 00:23:22 ET
Posted by: dark side, R

We'd be hearing some different lyrics today if this had happened. "Lovely crater..."

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/28/u-s-had-plans-to-nuke-the-moon


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 22:21:52 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

It's like this, and I say this with all due respect, GO FUCK
YOURSELF, I don't give a fuck if this bothers you, in fact I
am glad to hear you are so upset about FUCKN 3 seconds of your
life that you wont get back! This post is ten more seconds.And
frankly I have yet to read a post of yours I have found all that
enlightening.


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 22:13:13 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, bright arcade

I don't think the word divorce is mentioned at all on Don's new album. In fact I can only think of one song in the entire catalog that does. Breaking up is a fairly common theme among songwriters, and Steely Dan/Don are no exception to this rule.

if you check out the liner notes you'll find (in all caps): DF LOVES LT
I'd say they're doin just fine (;


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 22:13:09 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Hey funny-guy, no one knows (or cares) wtf you are talking about...or your attempts at "goofing". As Rajah used to recommend, why don't you go post on the Dr. Hook board? They'd appreciate that wacky, zany, rib-tickling humor of yours.


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 20:25:52 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Sorry, forgot to add that referring to the lady in the ad as a babe
(she was 104 at the time of filming) would give away that I was just
goofing.


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 20:22:04 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Yes in fact The Dean that was another of my attempts at "humor" I will concede that there is much work to be done in this area. Somebody
once said "comedy is hard" and whoever the hell said it was spot on!!!


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 14:18:33 ET
Posted by: Mike , NYC

I love the new album and it has been in my CD player for most of the past month. I am curious about one thing and I hope you will forgive me if it was discussed here, although I did not see such a discussion. So many of these songs are told in first person and about a person getting divorced. Did Donald's marriage break-up or is it all just the usual fiction?


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 13:56:27 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

DYLYNFAN, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume that explanation for the origin of "beef" was another "joke". Obviously, as Don used it in a song set in the 1920's-early 1930's it didn't originate with Wendys.

I don't have the answer, but you can find some speculation here:

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=beef

http://www.dictionarycentral.com/definition/beef.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090702145524AAF9mYB

http://www.quora.com/Slang-Origins/What-is-the-history-of-beef-as-a-term-for-feuds

Gotta love the line: We gotta big beef with a small concern. We must liquidate.


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 13:31:19 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

A. Question, I hope this helps, I think "got beef" originatd in
the ubiquitous ads for Wendys featuring that babe saying "where's the beef"


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 13:11:32 ET
Posted by: A, Question

When did "beef" become slang for a problem or grudge? Is its use in Good Stuff an anachronism?


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 10:54:58 ET
Posted by: Bob,

fagenism - Why not an all instrumental record? DUH!


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 10:39:46 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Funkaholic1972 you rock!! Next round is on me!!!Had to thank you
here it would not let me respond directly to your e-mail.This
will make my job at the P.T.C. easier. Sorry Blue-heads to go
off the reservation. Done Babbling


Date: Wed, November 28, 2012, 05:04:14 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

The Dean:

It is indeed unbelievable that two interviewers would ask about why The Dan stopped touring in the 70's. I, too, cringed during that part.

Sidenote; when Mona started playing I got absolute goosebumps. What a perfect composition.

*

Wishlist for Steely Dan album numero X:

- keep Michael as a producer and horn arranger,

- continue the Good Stuff tradition of less autobiographical subject matter,

- bring back the multiple drummer format, and

- give a concert with a big band (see The Yellowjackets and/or Pat Metheny* for reference).

* kindly introduced to me by the Assassin of Jazz.


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 22:21:36 ET
Posted by: Dave, NJ

Ten years ago I had a serious car accident somewhat related to drinking at Bowlmor. I seldom drink, but had a beer while bowling there. A couple weeks later, I crashed my car when the right lane on the highway ended and I kinda kept going straight. All the police cared about is if I had been drinking. They asked me when my last drink was, and I remembered it was at Bowlmor and told them the date.


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 20:58:17 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

http://wamc.org/post/donald-fagen?nopop=1

Pretty good interview with Donald. Saw the link in some previous posts here and on Hoops' Dandom Digest.

When the discussion of Miss Marlene came up, Donald said that he visited Bowlmor in Manhattan, and not coincidentally, there's a Bowlmor at University Place, the scene of Marlene's demise. (But you already knew that)

On Memorabilia, the interviewer mentioned a woman (Ivy King) who collected cold war nuke stuff. I was hoping that his curiosity would have led him to google "Ivy King" to find out that (the exceptional)Ivy King was actually Truman's 1952 pure fission nuke test, the most powerful of its kind at that date.(But again, I'm sure you already knew).

Donald makes 2 "old hippie" references in the interview, and twice on SC. The Jewish theme is more tangentially addressed on Out of the Ghetto and Good Stuff, where our Sociopath/Gangster/Murderer/Opium Junkie narrator was taking "marchin' orders" from none other than Jewish Mafia icon Arnold Rothstein ("purportedly" whacked by some "associates" of Dutch Schultz in 1928). Rothstein's "office" was Lindy's in NYC, and his nickname was The Big Bankroll.


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 20:55:25 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Blacksburg, VA

I really enjoyed the roundtable interview and thought it was refreshing. The one thing that stuck out is that DF was asked what was next and fast forwarded to a SD tour in 2013 but no mention of mulling or considering a solo tour :( . I hope he reconsiders because I thought the Morph Tour was better than SD!


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 19:38:14 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

No harm no foul, it's all good The Dean. However be careful for what
you wish for, I just may take you up on your kind offer! I will
travel all across the country for a free drink!


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 16:16:54 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

DYLNFAN, take a chill. I wasn't chastising you for the boot talk...you weren't really talking about them. That was meant for the detailed listing of tracks, etc. Seems to be the sort of thing we've been asked, repeatedly, to refrain from on The Blue. But maybe it is OK now.

I was just giving you some good-natured shit for seemingly being so stoned you didn't remember the Dan performed entire albums in concert. I didn't realize you were joking. Maybe I need an attitude adjustment and I just happen to be in the right spot for that. Next round is on me.

The WAMC interview is a notch above the usual, I think. At first I thought it was going to be very weak, as he started by asking Don about why they decided to start touring when they had eschewed it in the 70's.. Um---that was a good question 15 years ago, or possibly 10 at the max. It has been answered to death. If you don't know the answer as an interviewer, you shouldn't be doing the interview. Don't ask your interview subject to answer the same bullshit questions over and over again. (OK, that's off my chest.)

But after the rocky start, things picked up. Not that the questions were really all that much better than usual--but I got the feeling Don was in a good mood and perhaps is a fan of that particular station. (It is the NPR station he says he listens to quite a bit--probably in Woodstock. WAMC has a bunch of repeaters/translators and covers a lot of turf in that part of the state.) Anyway, a notch or two above the typical bullshit.


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 15:55:54 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

How do say this nicely, it was a joke people (granted not very good)
J.F.C. !!!! I was at Fck'n Aja night at the Tower!!!! Principal The Dean, as far as bootleg talk I was simply responding to someone who
brought it up, what time is my detention???


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 15:14:25 ET
Posted by: PGE, Archived for posterity

The previously mentioned DF interview on WAMC aired this morning and is now available online:

http://www.wamc.org/post/donald-fagen

Steely Dan touring in 2013?

"Probably this summer". Not a definitive yes. But not a no either.


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 15:09:12 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, The Glory Of The 2009 Tour

I wasn't at all shocked or surprised at how much of The Royal Scam they played at Toronto's Massey Hall on November 26 2009. That's because my ticket said "Royal Scam" right on it. Sure enough, they played the whole thing!

They were scheduled to do the album again live in Montreal a few nights later on November 29 at the Salle Wilfred Pelletier, but the show was cancelled due to poor ticket sales. We drove all the way there just for the "Aja" show on the 28th, where the band (unsurprisingly) played the entire Aja album all the way through. It was a great show, and a really cool way to end the 2009 tour, but it wasn't particularly shocking or surprising.


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 13:37:14 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

I was at the Royal Scam show with Larry Carlton in Chicago. UNBELIEVEABLE. He played the Kid C solo like it is on the record.

I would love to hear it again...


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 13:20:41 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

DYLNFAN, that was the 2009 tour where they played entire albums on some shows. They not only played a lot of the Royal Scam, they played the album in its entirety. Wake and bake, indeed.

And not to be a stick in the mud, but Hoops has been fairly clear on his request to keep discussions about boots to a minimum. I'm always a bit disturbed when people ignore those requests, given he pays for this board and allows us to use it.


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 12:57:41 ET
Posted by: DYLNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Ready to head to work after an epic wake and bake, as for that boot
it sounds like a great F"ckn show, I simply cannot belive how much of The Royal Scam they played!! I want it now!!!!!!!!!


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 12:54:38 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,

Sorry for the typo.......of course, I meant to spell "there".......


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 12:52:27 ET
Posted by: pixeleen,

Funkaholic:

We were ther and the show was FANTASTIC


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 12:36:53 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

This is the info that came with this bootleg:

Steely Dan
Chicago Theater
Chicago, IL
September 03, 2009
The Royal Scam Night

Source:Liberated bootleg
Notes:
Excellent Stereo Soundboard Sound!!!

DISC 1
01. Teenies Blues
02. Kid Charlemagne
03. The Caves Of Altamira
04. Don't Take Me Alive
05. Sign In Stranger
06. The Fez
07. Green Earrings
08. Haitian Divorce
09. Everything You Did
10. The Royal Scam

DISC 2
01. Hey Nineteen
02. Dirty Work
03. Black Friday
04. I Got The News
05. Aja
06. Parker's Band
07. Live Wire
08. Peg
09. Third World Man
10. Piano Intro / Josie
11. My Old School
12. Reelin' In The Years
13. Last Tango In Paris


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 12:32:27 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

I came across this bootleg, it is fantastic:

"Steely Dan featuring Larry Carlton "The Royal Scam Night" 2009-09-03 Chicago Theater, Chicago, IL (16-bit) (FLAC)"

Does anyone know more about this gig, or better even, has witnessed it?


Date: Tues, November 27, 2012, 10:37:53 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Don't know if this has been posted before. Just ran across it.

This thing ROCKS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol0x6Xw8pac


Date: Mon, November 26, 2012, 18:06:26 ET
Posted by: Heads, up

Listen to Donald's interview with WAMC's The Roundtable live tomorrow morning at 9:35am ET.

http://www.wamc.org/


Date: Sun, November 25, 2012, 19:20:56 ET
Posted by: MP, R

Here's a very good dutch based Steely Shodan tribute band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRiDdZxvdMU


Date: Sun, November 25, 2012, 15:01:52 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

PGE, thanks for the Gallison interview post. Extremely interesting and informative. Will comes off as a very cool and humble guy.


Date: Sun, November 25, 2012, 12:13:44 ET
Posted by: PGE, harmonically yours

The third and final part of harmonica player Will Galison's Sunken Condos sessions story is available here:

http://somethingelsereviews.com/2012/11/25/steely-dan-sunday-confessions-of-a-side-man-recording-on-donald-fagens-sunken-condos-part-3/

Interesting read!


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Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 21:26:27 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

toni,dude...sorry for 3 posts in a row in the bandwith stakes but what a GREAT link...

Ive NEVER heard The Don singing,enunciating,delivering as strongly..EVER!

Fabulous mate,thanks again...:.)

A joy.

Check it y'all...


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 21:07:23 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Thanks again for that great link toni,mucho appreciated!

The Don kickin FUCK out of the vocal-as we say here in Glasgow-and Walt spankin' it like no tomorrow.

BIG Diggs!

Jon H killin' it too....

Me haPPY...Mmmmm..


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 20:54:59 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Thanks toni...great link and great audio quality...thanks again dude..:.)


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 20:34:29 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Repeating myself...again...

A small handful of point-&-shoot photos from the July 2011 Toronto Molson Armpit-theatre show, taken by yours truly. I did link these here around the time the show was current, but maybe some folks might enjoy looking at them while listening to the YouTube audio (it's not my tape, in case anyone wonders).

http://s215.photobucket.com/albums/cc224/MODP/Toronto%20July%2022%202011/


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 18:01:48 ET
Posted by: found it,

Walter sounds like he's doing a Lake Wobegone/Garrison Keillor story in his Hey 19 talk


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 17:57:22 ET
Posted by: found it,

Thanks Toni and the Dean.
Had not heard that before. Donald was in fine voice.


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 15:22:02 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

To make things a bit easier, here is the actual, direct link to the concert on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySQbO-ntjE


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 13:58:52 ET
Posted by: toni,

you should find this complete sd concert from 2011 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UySQbO-ntjE i a. sorry if this has been posted before.


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 13:58:51 ET
Posted by: toni,

you should find this complete sd concert from 2011 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UySQbO-ntjE i a. sorry if this has been posted before.


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 13:24:07 ET
Posted by: searching, searching...,

Toni,
a search for "steely dan live" on YouTube yields over 4000 results. Maybe you could specify your glee a tad more.


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 13:08:51 ET
Posted by: Toni,

Hey guys do a quick search for steely dan live on youtube. You will find something really cool!


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 13:08:46 ET
Posted by: Toni,

Hey guys do a quick search for steely dan live on youtube. You will find something really cool!


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 12:43:43 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Xaxier: hee hee!


Date: Sat, November 24, 2012, 07:38:22 ET
Posted by: Xavier, Q

RIP Larry Hagman.

Dangentially,

Bye Bye Dallas



Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 23:36:48 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Ralph Flinstone:

How about Bowlmor Union Square, 110 University Place, NYC.

http://www.ny.com/frame?url=http://bowlmor.com/&frame=/frame/nightlife




Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 21:28:16 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

RF, very funny.

Ray, no luck at the track. Didn't stay long, so didn't lose much. Calder has to be the blandest, least interesting track I have ever visited. Nothing bad about it, just no real character.

Flintstone, nothing like a bowling forum for first-rate music chatter.


Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 15:46:26 ET
Posted by: qpcnhbtx, New York

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Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 15:37:49 ET
Posted by: RF, Z

The Lovin' Spoonful is regarded to be the American measurement.


Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 10:51:58 ET
Posted by: LR, SoBe

Good luck at the track Dean!

Perhaps we should not believe those
VH1 "Pop-Up Video" factoids! ;O)


Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 10:45:06 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Coconut Grove. Heading to the track @ Calder

Happy Belated Thanksgiving to you all.

Re: 10cc being a sexual band name:

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/10cc.asp


Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 10:14:03 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

Clearly 10cc are not in the same league.

But.....

"Dreadlock Holiday"

I L-O-V-E it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGLsAkeRd84

Also both "Steely Dan" & 10cc are "sexual"
band names.


Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 09:09:48 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, m

Hi Colonel. Yes, some good points and I agree that 10cc were a witty and clever band but it does annoy me a bit that for various reason they get lumped in with Steely Dan who are on a different planet compared to them and anyone else when it comes to truly great songwriting and musicianship. 10cc made some fine records but they never released anything that compares to the genius of every single Steely Dan album. In that respect 10cc and Steely Dan are incomparable ! Although I do like them and they recorded their albums a stones throw away from where I am sitting right now !


Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 09:01:24 ET
Posted by: Colonel Hall, London

Pete, I have a lot of time for 10cc. If you read the comments section in the Guardian, you will see that it is, unusually full of praise. The one track that comes to mind, when making a comparison is Haitian Divorce, but only that track. The reason that I think they are compared is that they both wrote intelligent songs, whist staying within the pop/rock idiom and they were both criticised for being "too clever"


Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 07:20:56 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

Just to let you know, the next single from SC in the UK will be 'Miss Marlene' according to Ken Bruce on BBC Radio 2.

Already picking up a lot of airplay.


Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 07:00:04 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Ha nice one Colonel. I know the often dire 10cc are constantly compared to the Dan and you can kind of see why. However, I know I shouldn't say it as they are from my hometown, but 10cc are just not in the same league as Walt and Don and most musicians and critics recognise that. For the UK fans they are strictly second division at best, whereas the Dan are top of the Premier league, like my beloved Manchester City !!


Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 03:38:35 ET
Posted by: Colonel Hall, London

I remember some critic being roundly censured for make a comparison between Steely Dan and 10cc. I know that they sound nothing like each other, but thought that he had a point. Interestingly, today's Guardian has a feature on 10cc and there were a number of readers' comments making the same link.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/nov/22/10cc-tragedy-didnt-stay-together


Date: Fri, November 23, 2012, 00:58:06 ET
Posted by: Drjay, SF

Sunken Condos a hit with my 90 year old mom "his voice isn't so strong but i love the jazziness".Thanks Don for making the ride to Danville a treat


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 23:44:14 ET
Posted by: Greg M, Ny

KD, ease up dude. I was tacetly agreeing with your take on walter's position (and thus changing mine to a degree) by posting his interview comment, as you suggested i look up. Which I did, and now i see why he didnt feel like performing circus stuff at a dan show - from the horse's mouth. WBs comments on the issue were interestng for all to see. Done. I really don't care that much actually.


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 22:05:05 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, shakyhandsville

Hey KD...

In your post from this morning it kinda sounds like you actually (or partially) agree with me now, although you did reference the two interviewees by their names as though you're familiar with their respective ouvres. That just can't be good.

My original point was that the show, as broadcast, was largely a waste of everyone's time, regardless of the viewer's age or level of interest in the entertainment business. No-one here was asking for too much. Just three or five minutes of talk with Fagen, i.e. three or five minutes less vapidity with the "ummmm" chick, or perhaps three or five minutes less of the haggard-looking toilet-mouth ("Lampenelli", apparently). Not an all-DF show, not CD sales in the tens of millions, and certainly not universal love and acclaim from the unwashed masses. Just a bit of, y'know, respect.

I'd write more on the subject, but it's 10:00pm and I have to do thirty minutes of fist-shaking-at-the-way-things-are-today practice. Doctor's orders, don'tcha know....


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 21:25:09 ET
Posted by: Ralph Flintstone, iuiu

Saw this thread on a bowling message board...


Steely Dan singer Donald Fagen just released a new solo album with a song about a girl bowler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcnwLX-ym90

Miss Marlene

<lyrics>



Another USBC member lost


Does that loss now put membership below a million?


Don't know if the coked-out fans of Fagen are going to hear much of the words, though.


What is that supposed to mean? Are you 90 years old or something and think everyone that listens to music is a "hippie"?


I liked it. and no I don't do coke..I'm a Pepsi man


Just remember sittin' around, listening to Steely Dan, our perceptions "enhanced" to a large degree. Just sayin'


A free hurricane to the first person to name the bowling center at University Place.


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 20:55:05 ET
Posted by: everything must go,

No two people age at the same rate or continue to be excited about their life's work. Don is the workaholic, and still no doubt has a zest for performing and recording.

Don offered Walt to be on SC which could have been turned into the tenth Steely album. But Walt didn't feel like doing it according to Don.

Walt made his fortune, his fame, he has done it all. Except climb high on the charts with a solo record.

It would not be shocking if he set sail for Hawaii and lived out his days.

Don will "forge on" as he said in interviews during the time of Morph.


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 20:21:45 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

The last coupla SD shows i saw i got the distinct impression Walter was bored,kinda going thru the motions and playing well within himself.

I may be wrong-always.

I hope i am.


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 15:54:07 ET
Posted by: KD, LAF

Greg, we seem to be on the same page on a lot of stuff, so I'd ask that you back off a little bit and attempt to revisit what your initial criticism was.

This was your original take, after wondering aloud whether or not Walter "cared" enough about CM to take on several tasks including a late night talk show appearance (?), or playing songs live on that summer's tour:

"Play a song or two during a SD tour and tell the audience that he has a new album out and go get it; like he did in 93 or 94 for 11TOW. It didn't seem like shameless plugging then, and it wouldn't now. He was TOTALLY SILENT about his album this time around."

Then you come at me with a response from Walt about why The Two don't play solo stuff (save for a few versions of 'The Nightfly,' from the 2006 SD tour) live during Dan dates.

It's just odd and contradictory and I'm trying to suss out what your original point was.

I think it sucks, pardon my junior high language, for Walter to go through what he did in 2008. And I feel for him, and even if he doesn't want to do another album with Donald I would absolutely ADORE Becker doing nothing but self-produced solo stuff from here on out. That's it.

You seem to be taking issue with something else, though they appear to be flying in the face of each other. Would appreciate a better articulation of what your point is.

Is Walter to be criticized for not being popular enough to go on Letterman, have a tour, or play "Darkling Down" in 2008? Or is it all good because of the post-2vN (save for the few 'Nightfly' renditions, in 2006) unwritten Dan rule of no solo stuff?


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 14:51:27 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Christ, you're annoying. You seem like a sad old dude pissed off that not everyone has the same opinion as you.

And what a tough guy, not even using your real email address.

Enjoy your Thanksgiving home alone.


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 13:35:01 ET
Posted by: Burnt Out Hippie Clown,

Young Wu - SC is great now and it will be great in 20 years. Just like all of the other SD/DF/WB albums. Now get out of here because nobody in these parts agrees with your opinions anyway. You sound like a little punk.


Happy Thanksgiving everybody!


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 12:14:03 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Oh, and happy Thanksgiving to all on the Bluebook!


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 12:13:43 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo


Same thing was true for 11TOW vs. CM and now Sunken Condos vs. Morph. You all thought Morph was the Holy Grail, but now, out of nowhere, it's hailed as a worthless piece of crap, and SC is some sort of monster of underappreciated creation worthy of the likes of Aja.

Now, fast-forward another 5-7 yrs, and you same lot will be saying, it (Condos) also sux, as Donald releases his next disc. I just don't get it. I can understand liking or disliking an album with repeated listening's, but not to the extent of absolutely hating what was once heaped the highest praises on.
---------------------------------------------

This dude gets it! It's like if you don't think Sunken Condos is as good as The Nightfly or Aja, you're an idiot who doesn't get it.

But what, like the fine gentleman who I quoted said, Becker/Fagen/Steely Dan release a real masterpiece in the future? Will SC slump off into the sunset, being met with the same lackluster appreciate as we now give to Everything Must Go?

I think a lot of the insane accolades this new one is getting is just excitement of a new Fagen album.

Oh, and I've grown to love Weather in My Head. Easily my 4th favorite on the album. It's a good disc, no doubt.... emphasis on GOOD.


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 11:47:53 ET
Posted by: Greg M, from the horse's mouth

interesting:

Q. I know you were playing “Book of Liars” [from 11 Tracks of Whack] live with Steely Dan. Will you be incorporating any of the Circus Money stuff?

WB: I don’t think so, because for one thing, I don’t want to feel obliged to try to represent that onstage in the midst of what is basically a Steely Dan show, and I think Steely Dan fans, rightly, there’s always a certain tension about, Are they gonna play this song or are they gonna play that song? And so I’ve come to the conclusion that the best thing to do is Steely Dan songs. And so I try to sing an old Steely Dan song live. I mean, there’s only one that I ever sang on one of the records [“Slang of Ages,” from 2003’s Everything Must Go], so I can do that one or I can do various other ones, and that seems the best to me. It seems right for the occasion.

LINK: http://www.timeout.com/newyork/music/walter-becker


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 11:08:31 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Hey key Facts, 'heatseekers' is surely the 'bubbling under' the top 200 chart ? There is a world of difference between number 11 on heatseekers and number 11 on the Billboard 200 which is what you were implying with your first post. Sadly as far as I am concerned 11 TOW didnt even make it into the charts, fine album though it is.


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 10:54:36 ET
Posted by: Misc, ,

Walter gave his reasons in '08 for not playing songs from C$ on the current tour. Look for interviews.

I believe he allowed copies of C$ to be given away at one of the Beacon shows.

Sunken Condos should be C↓

Somebody's saturday night says hey let's go bowling

Don't the liner notes of Katy Lied talk about McCracken and Rainey going bowling?




Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 09:58:35 ET
Posted by: KD, LAF

M/O/D/P, of COURSE Donald deserves it over Lampenelli (who only recently became famous enough to do panel spots instead of five minutes). And Zooey, probably,who has disappointed me over the last few years (last album wasn't great, terrible TV show, work done on her face, selling out to the cotton industry and Apple, general lack of self-awareness).

Nobody here is being realistic, though. On artistic merit and entertainment value alone Don and Walt deserve 44 minutes a week Monday through Thursday. Their own show, nationally televised. They also deserve to have every album go straight to number one with a bullet, not stopping until 10 million are sold every time out.

Shaking your fist at the way things are these days, though, is too much.

Giving Walter a nudge (maybe Greg, a great poster here whose contributions I like a lot, misspoke) about whether or not he "cared so much" just rubs me the wrong way. Asking him to gather a band on his tiny label's dime and expecting one of the late night talk shows back then is just unrealistic. I remember being shocked to see Nick Lowe on Jimmy Kimmel the same year Walt's album came out (or it may have been in 2007, can't remember), surprised they would give a look to someone as venerated but relatively unpopular amongst the 18-35 set; a set I'm amongst. Then I went to a Lowe show at a 1100-capacity theatre that was sold out around the same time. Solo show, too, $25 and no band behind him.

Walter couldn't do that. And while that destroys me in my appreciation of him as an artist, I'm not going to give him stick for not caring enough.

What I'm trying to do is understand if (a guess, here) if he's dispirited after putting years into an amazing album that is on par with anything Steely Dan has ever done, only to see it fail to chart and then go unmentioned (and maybe someone can help me with this, un-promoted at the merch tables) just a month or so later during that year's Steely Dan tour.


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 09:25:40 ET
Posted by: key facts,

@Pete Evans

Go to the entry for 11TOW on All Music Guide. 11TOW peaked at number 11 in 1994, believe it or not, on Heatseekers which is a recognised industry chart. It was not the Billboard 200. For 11TOW to make number 11 on any sort of chart, and for CM not get above 200 on Billboard is what is the real shock.


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 07:14:11 ET
Posted by: moray eel, b

I agree with Bon. As I recall, Morph was praised by just about everyone here as a masterwork. It wasn't until Sunken Condos was released that everyone began to bash it. I'm not sure why.

Favorite albums seem to change for most Danfans and I am no exception. Katy Lied took a long time to grow on me, but now I can appreciate it much more. Fagen sings the hell out of that album.

Kamakiriad was also difficult to get into, but the newer DVD-audio release, with the vocals coming to the front of the mix, have made it much more enjoyable.

m.e.


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 03:24:25 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Key Facts, Becker's 11TOW peaked at number 11, which was a shock to me. It was a shock to me too, as it never even made the Billboard 200 !!


Date: Thurs, November 22, 2012, 00:32:53 ET
Posted by: Bon, Scotland

I don't understand you lot. You feverishly praise the current releases and bash the prior ones.

For example, when 2VN came out, it was praised here as one of the greatest Steely Dan records ever...until EMG was released, and then, all of a sudden, 2VN sucked!!

Same thing was true for 11TOW vs. CM and now Sunken Condos vs. Morph. You all thought Morph was the Holy Grail, but now, out of nowhere, it's hailed as a worthless piece of crap, and SC is some sort of monster of underappreciated creation worthy of the likes of Aja.

Now, fast-forward another 5-7 yrs, and you same lot will be saying, it (Condos) also sux, as Donald releases his next disc. I just don't get it. I can understand liking or disliking an album with repeated listening's, but not to the extent of absolutely hating what was once heaped the highest praises on.

For the record, my favorites are:
SD - Gaucho
Fagen - Nightfly & Morph (tie)
Becker - 11TOW






Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 23:03:54 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, takin' the bait...

QUOTE: "Again, the way you guys overrate the popularity and mainstream acclaim (Donald should sit down with Letterman to talk! Two songs! Saturday Night Live!) for these two astonishes me."

So...was the recent hour (!) on Letterman better spent on the empty chatter with the anonymous sitcom chicky and the I've-never-heard-of-her-and-neither-have-you "comedienne"? Would the fading talk show host's aging/remaining audience have, on balance, actually prefered these two "celebrity" guests over a few minutes with DF? I really don't think that one needs to be a Digest subscriber to believe that Fagen would have been a more interesting interview than the two brainless clucks who actually filled up the airtime. Network airtime. An hour. Of nothing. By any reasonable standard.

I don't think anyone here has overrated anyone's popularity. Maybe some of us figger that one of the better songwriters of the last fifty years or so deserves at least as much face time as some excruciatingly vapid and idiotic cutiepie, or some unfunny/profane and (apparently) formerly obese stand-up. Is that really so astonishing? Gosh, I sure hope not.


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 21:44:37 ET
Posted by: KD, LAF

Greg, what late night talk show is Walter Becker going to play in 2008?

Again, the way you guys overrate the popularity and mainstream acclaim (Donald should sit down with Letterman to talk! Two songs! Saturday Night Live!) for these two astonishes me.

Also, Greg, I'd like you to name the concert(s) where Donald Fagen plugged 'Morph the Cat' or sang any songs from the album in the Steely Dan tour of 2006. Asking Walter to do the same in this new (non-1990s) era during the 2008 tour is ridiculous.


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 19:55:32 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, not the same

chart positions in 2012 are a much different thing than they were in 1977 and SC has already slipped way down since the week of release. still, it was a good showing for Donald all things considered... probably better than he was expecting. but not good enough to warrant a tour unfortunately. (i hope i'm wrong)


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 19:47:41 ET
Posted by: Hector E, Carlsbad

Wow. Sunken Condos charted as high as Aja? And there are two more singles to be released? Holy shit!


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 19:43:54 ET
Posted by: Hector E., Carlsbad

Wow. Sunken Condos charted as high as Aja? And there are two more singles yet to be released? Holy shit!


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 15:22:12 ET
Posted by: Sloan B.,

AIA is one of the poorest recordings I have ever heard and isn't a studio record. Fagen couldn't work his normal studio magic with bad live recordings. That's why it doesn't count.


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 15:03:29 ET
Posted by: RP, NC

>> "The Steely Dan album with the lowest peak was solo-produced by Donald Fagen. I emphasize: produced by Donald WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE. Alive In America's highest Billboard peak was #40, lower than Countdown to Ecstasy. "


AIA is a live compilation, not an album.


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 14:40:39 ET
Posted by: More Facts, More Facts, More Facts, More Facts, Here's to Michael Leonart

Key Fact: You MISSED a huge key fact.

The Steely Dan album with the lowest peak was solo-produced by Donald Fagen. I emphasize: produced by Donald WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE. Alive In America's highest Billboard peak was #40, lower than Countdown to Ecstasy.

This further supports the argument that Donald can't do his best production by himself.

Even most Steely Dan fans forget to include Alive in America when they rank Steely Dan albums.

I guess technically, this also means EMG wasn't the first official Steely Dan recording to feature Walter on lead vocals, as went the publicity for EMG when it came out.


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 14:38:05 ET
Posted by: DF, On Art of The Song

"Donald sat down with Art of the Song to discuss his new solo album, Sunken Condos and his writing process. Listen to the full conversation below..."

http://www.artofthesong.org/

"Art of the Song is a one-hour public radio program heard on over 230 stations across the country. The show explores universal truths common to all creative expression."

"Our guest this week on Art of the Song is Donald Fagen. Together with college mate Walter Becker they founded perhaps the most successful jazz-derivative rock band of the last century... Steely Dan. After the band broke up in 1981, Donald began a successful solo career. He's known for his use of close vocal harmonies, elaborate arrangements, and attention to detail. Viv spoke with Donald at length following the release of his fourth solo album, Sunken Condos. Joined by co-producer - collaborator, Michael Leonhart, they discussed a wide range of topics including songwriting, stage fright, writers block and moleskin journals."


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 14:36:43 ET
Posted by: Chin Ho,

KD You've been living in Korea way too long!


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 13:31:41 ET
Posted by: key facts,

Researched the charts of Steely Dan related studio albums.

Mostly every album was either into the Top 10 or just below. Royal Scam surprisingly only made it to number 15.

Aja and Sunken Condos were the highest peak at 3

Countdown to Ecstasy was the lowest peak at 35

Three out of four solo Fagen albums were in or near the Top !0. Morph was the worst as expected at 26, and third lowest of all Steely Dan related.

Beckers 11TOW peaked at 11, which was a shocker to me, and Circus Money did not even chart, which was a shocker the other way.

Becker might put the steel in Steely Dan, but it is clearly Fagen who puts in the Gold, or Platinum.

To get back on the gravy train, Becker's best move would be to get back with Fagen and make another Steely Dan album This no doubt which would boost his sales and would make everyone happy.


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 12:36:57 ET
Posted by: Chet, R

Morph was the first (and thus far only) time DF and myself didn't agree as to whether a song was worthy of making it onto an album.

And we disagreed on a number of them. Easily my least favorite album.


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 12:07:25 ET
Posted by: My Opinion,

KD: Great Pagoda of Funn is simply awful. Languid and tired, a real waste of a great horn arrangement.


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 10:35:14 ET
Posted by: circus, made no money

Mostly all SD, Fagen and Becker releases have an Awards tab on All Music Guide, showing Grammy awards, all charts and peak positions etc. This includes 11 Tracks, which was not even as good as CM. CM is the only SD related release with no tab at all.

This means that CM never appeared on any sales chart, with #200 ranking as the lowest you can get. It might have only sold about 300 to 400 copies, so Becker might have been too pissed off to talk about it.


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 10:01:51 ET
Posted by: Greg M, ny

<<<and the fact that what should have been a career highlight in the absolutely fantastic 'Circus Money' sunk like a stone had to have hurt. Had to.>>>

I doubt it. If he cared so much he would have done some promotion outside of his website. Things he could have done but did not:

-Play on a late night talk show,

-Schedule a tour, or at least play a couple of shows in major markets,

-Play a song or two during a SD tour and tell the audience that he has a new album out and go get it; like he did in 93 or 94 for 11TOW. It didn't seem like shameless plugging then, and it wouldn't now. He was TOTALLY SILENT about his album this time around.

Plus, the material is fantastic and would have gone over probably better than the revised Monkey in Your Soul or whatever else he did recently.

For those reasons, I don't think he was emotionally "hurt" by CM's sales; whatever they were.


Date: Wed, November 21, 2012, 06:21:32 ET
Posted by: KD, LAF

They're all great. There's not a tomato can in the bunch, and the only ones everyone seems to agree *are* the tomato cans are 'Morph' and 'Kamakiriad,' two albums that might tie for first with 2vN as acting as my favorites amongst the post-reunion lot. Ahead of 'Nightfly,' too, which I realize is blasphemy here.

My only issue with Donald's new one, currently probably in its 30th or 35th listen, is that the highest moments aren't as high as the others. I'm not a clicker, I don't skip tracks unless they're some decades-old psychedelic workouts from another band, but 'Morph' has some clickers in "Brite Nightgown" and "Security Joan." Fine songs, the only ones I'd be able to play with Donald should he ask me to strap my guitar on and plug in, but genre exercises that Don wanted to have some fun with.

There's none of that on SC, consistently marvelous throughout; but there's also not a "Great Pagoda of Funn" or "Mary Shut the Garden Door" or "Night Belongs to Mona" on the new one either. And there's nothing on the new one that excites me as much as various points in "Downtown Canon" or several other snippets and/or whole second sides of the album from Walt's brilliant turn on 'Circus Money.'

I've seen them enough. I missed hearing "Second Arrangement" and "This All Too Mobile Home" live a few years back, but it's not the worst thing in the world if they don't strap on again to play "Peg" for the punters some other summer.

What we're all after, I'm sure, is one last go. The one that makes 2vN feel like 'Katy Lied' and EMG feel like 'Royal Scam' (blasphemy again, I know; it's my wife's favorite Dan album as well) as Dan 2.0 make their last 'Aja' in 2015 and call it off after that.

The only thing that worries me is Walter. He just wasn't his irascible self in 2011, and the fact that what should have been a career highlight in the absolutely fantastic 'Circus Money' sunk like a stone had to have hurt. Had to.

At least, in 1993, 1994 and 1996, he could go out and rock with his own solo stuff. Months after 'Circus Money' died he was back to "Peg" during live shows. It's something that every musician, famous or otherwise, has to go through. It doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt, and that it doesn't suck.

I hope he's OK. I kind of wish he'd start up a Twitter account. I miss Walter Becker.


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 22:42:43 ET
Posted by: steely walter,

Walter is the steel in the Dan.
SC is fantastic, but it is all songs about Woody Allen characters. Walter has been in the abyss. He surrenders snippets from those experiences.


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 22:41:33 ET
Posted by: Actually no, errr....no,

No, errr....no,"

You're forgetting the difference Michael Leonhart made on "Sunken Condos". Otherwise we'd have "Morph The Cat Some More."

"Sunken Condos" reaffirmed that Donald could make a great album with someone else but it didn't have to be Walter. It didn't affirm that he could go it alone. The only album he went it alone on was "Morph The Cat."


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 22:27:36 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Aristotle: "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts"

Taking nothing away from the "parts" - they're brilliant.

Just listened to 2VN for the first time in a couple of years, through the new PSB headphones. Uneven in a few places, but by and large..genius. Gaslighting, What a Shame, 2VN, Negative Girl, West of Hollywood..oh heck, the whole album. I think that Walter adds darkness, grit, stark cynicism, and a detatched seaminess to the "whole".


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 21:40:43 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains NY

<<<DF now has proven he can go it alone. He don't need no Walter.>>>

This type of thing was said when Morph came out. But then Circus Money came out, and people were like....oh, so that's how it's done...

They raise the bar for each other. Period.

Perhaps SC outshines CM, whereas CM outshined Morph). The bar is now raised for a Walter effort. However, being that time is a limited thing, it's about time they reunite for an album.

And what an album it would be. At this point I would expect nothing like EMG.


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 21:01:03 ET
Posted by: errr....no,

I might have agreed before SC came out. SC meaning Steely Condos.

DF now has proven he can go it alone. He don't need no Walter.


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 20:54:12 ET
Posted by: tommytomato, Columbus OH

Interesting looking at other opinions:

Ruby Baby
Walk Between the Raindrops

Snowbound
Florida Room

What I Do
Security Joan

Confide in Me
Big Noise New York

New Breed
Good Stuff


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 20:53:12 ET
Posted by: Houdanfan, Houston

You people are clueless. Walter IS Steely Dan.


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 19:37:41 ET
Posted by: DF, on FB

Just in from DF's fb page...

Listen to The Bob Edwards Show tomorrow at 8am EST on Sirius XM Public Radio for an interview with Donald about his new album, Sunken Condos and more...

http://www.bobedwardsradio.com/blog/2012/11/16/forthcoming-on-the-bob-edwards-show.html

Wednesday, November 21, 2012: Oscar-winning director, author, and illustrator William Joyce’s most recent film, Rise of the Guardians, sprang from a single question his daughter asked him 14 years ago: “do Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy all know each other?” Actors Alec Baldwin, Hugh Jackman, and Isla Fisher provide the voices for childhood’s most famous three, with Jude Law as the villain Pitch. Then, DONALD FAGEN is best known as the front man for Steely Dan, the band Rolling Stone magazine called, “the perfect musical antiheroes for the Seventies.” After hits like Rikki Don’t Lose That Number and Peg, Fagen went out on his own and has now released his fourth solo album, Sunken Condos. Fagen is joined by MICHAEL LEONHART who served as co-producer for the new album, and has performed with Steely Dan since their comeback in the 90s.


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 17:28:28 ET
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Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 16:19:57 ET
Posted by: these guys are old, and this is what is happening

Try standing on your feet for two hours, not counting rehearsals, sound checks etc., travelling every few days. It even wears out these teen pop stars of today. As it is Don and Walt are in better shape than most of their fans. But neither of them is a Mick Jagger or Steven Tyler who are skinny and can still jump around for two hours.

Walt needs to lose the flip flops he wears on stage and wear strong but stylish orthopaedic shoes

Walt's mental and physical health and motivation will determine if there are any more Steely Dan tours or LPs, not Don's.

Even if Don does not solo tour, he might have another two or three LPs left in him. He will not solo tour because of the expense, and he complained about it on his website back in 2006. The Don Fagen Band won't draw as many fans as Steely Dan and the Dukes, and Don has to pay for all of the musicians himself. And it really won't boost record sales, which are small change compared to the money to be made from the Dukes tours, which draw more fans and Don only pays one third of expenses.

Fortunately I think Don is in better physical shape and more motivated than Walt. Don does and always has done most of the work for Steely Dan, I believe.

Unfortunately, Don might take genetically after his Mum who died relatively young and had Alzheimers the last six years of her life. Mental health is essential to create and perform music in order to produce the great LPs. Steven Hawking whose mind still works goes on with cosmology despite being an invalid.

That is about all that can be said at this point in time.



Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 13:27:30 ET
Posted by: 11:29, Mountain Time

Many reviews from '11 noted his need for a stool. Not a stretch to think that whatever ailment required him to sit also affected his playing.


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 13:11:06 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Shark, I agree that he's a fantastic player - I've always loved his guitar playing. Don't get me wrong.

in this case, it's more of an "off night" - every show I've listened to and the show I saw in 2011 were similar. Honestly, it sounded like he was struggling to play everything.


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 13:06:56 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, down in the bottom

Walter played some GREAT stuff at the 2 shows I caught in 2011. Particularly in Boston, I can remember thinking "Wow!" to myself at the Dawn Of The Dan show.

Everyone has off nights, and Walter is in the fortunate position of having a fantastic band that can cover his ass if he's not feeling up to par. He's a hell of a player.


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 12:54:29 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Can we talk about Walter's guitar playing in '11?
Specifically - what was up with it?

I'm comparing his playing from 2000 with 2011 and it's night and day. Not only did he cede several of his regular solos to Herringon in 2011, but the ones he took are just ... off. Missed notes, awful phrasing ... on one version of Pretzel Logic, he's playing the same noodly 3-note riff over and over again, through the verse, even during Herrington's solo. The soundguy has him low in the mix during Reelin, but you can just barely make out the fact that he's having trouble strumming a pretty simple rhythm pattern.

I don't play guitar, but it sounds like he's staying in the same part of the neck the whole time ... whereas in 2000 his playing is varied, very crisp, avuncular in the best way. He's always been a pretty singular player and never as polished as whoever is playing lead in the band - but frankly, he sounds like an entirely different player in 2011 than in 2000.

Seriously - check the boots if you got 'em - it's almost distressing.


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 12:24:10 ET
Posted by: Necrophilia, Sweden

This story just screams STEELY DAN!...

http://io9.com/5962104/swedish-woman-charged-for-sexing-herself-with-human-skeletons

And when I followed the link to "The Local" for more info & pics I saw a featured Dannish "bear" item in the top banner as well, so I took a screen capture to preserve the image since the same piece probably won't show up all the time for everybody...

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1184/bonesexmeorthebear7.jpg


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 03:27:15 ET
Posted by: YouinyourLark, Dunedin, NZ

KiwiSteve - Couldn't agree more. Just listened to the episode off the Letterman site with good headphones. Sounded pretty good - much better than the Youtube versions. I loved the bass. Highly recommended.

Greg



Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 13:26:37 ET
Posted by: KiwiSteve, Natick, MA

Saw Donald on Letterman. Mixing was a bit off. Wayne was great, as ways. The posted episode on the Letterman site (full episode) has a better mix.
Steve


Date: Tues, November 20, 2012, 00:42:04 ET
Posted by: Pop, Both

It sounds like the Hyman Roth character in the Godfather was based on Rothstein.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgSczBulS-Q


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 21:42:13 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Further research on Good Stuff indicates that it may have taken place prior to 1930, most likely 1928 or earlier.

"I walked into Lindy's, tired and tight..."

"Bankroll don't like it when I come in late"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy's

"Jewish Mafia icon Arnold Rothstein claimed Lindy's as his favorite "office" and would stand on the corner, surrounded by bodyguards, and conduct business outside."

Rothstein, also referred to as "The Big Bankroll", was the kingpin of the Jewish Mafia during prohibition. "With the advent of Prohibition, Rothstein saw the opportunities for business; he diversified into bootlegging and narcotics. Liquor was brought in by smuggling along the Hudson River, as well as from Canada across the Great Lakes and into upstate New York. Rothstein also purchased holdings in a number of speakeasies". (His brother bacame a rabbi).

"In his Kill the Dutchman! (1971), a biography of Dutch Schultz, the crime reporter Paul Sann suggests that Schultz murdered Rothstein (in 1928). He says this was in retaliation for the murder of Schultz's friend and associate, Joey Noel, by Rothstein's protégé, Jack "Legs" Diamond."

So our guy is a loyal soldier in Rothstein's Jewish Mafia.




Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 21:20:05 ET
Posted by: drewslo, san luis obispo

couldn't get it out of my head, so here a couple more songs with murder content:

Do It Again
With A Gun

I'll stop now!


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 21:18:32 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

I'm sorry if this offends some here-and i sincerely don't wish to be disrespectful-but i have to ask:

The Don is an artist.A great artist.Why shouldn't he mention the horrors of Katrina? He's not a fool and his oeuvre over decades oozes compassion and humanity.

If he feels "Katrina" is necesaary to re-inforce his artistic analogy then why the hell not?

OK.I'm off now to find some protective headgear for the shitrain invariably heading my way....)


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 21:16:27 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Frank - I think you're right. If you recall, after Dave made that stupid joke about "smoking a lot of weed" with Steely Dan he showed the cover and mentioned the title and then made a comment about the album title mirroring the storm damage in NY and New Jersey.

I have a feeling Don made the change on the fly after he heard that comment. He's a New Yorker and he's already commented musically about tragic things that have befallen the Blessed Yankees. Maybe he thought the line was a little too close to home and not appropriate.


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 21:09:50 ET
Posted by: drewslo, san luis obispo

I believe "Turn That Heartbeat Over Again" involves a murder as well (Don't Take Me Alive and Good Stuff were previously mentioned).

Two off each:

New Frontier
Nightfly

Snowbound
On The Dunes

Great Pagoda of Funn
The Night Belongs To Mona

I'm Not The Same Without You
Miss Marlene


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 16:07:51 ET
Posted by: Frank,

he definitely said it- No way he was "told to say it". That's ludicrous!


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 14:03:01 ET
Posted by: Tristan Fabriani, The cunning of the insane

Fagen solo album selections:

The Nightfly
Green Flower Street

On the Dunes
Snowbound

The Night Belongs to Mona
The Great Pagoda of Funn

The New Breed
Slinky Thing


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 12:25:47 ET
Posted by: he definitely said it,

Don said it, and I think he was told to say it.

On replay, you can plainly see he said it emphatically.

He said it as if in protest like a mini passive-aggressive tantrum, like, Well there you go you bastards, now are you happy?

Why it was censored could be that NYC is still reeling from Hurricane Sandy. NYC always got to be first at everything, including Hurricanes, not to be outdone by the lyric Katrina.

The word Katrina would not have been censored on LA based Jay Leno. However, if Michael Murphy's song Wildfire or speaking of Jim Morrison, Light My Fire were to be played, those lyrics would be censored. Or Don would have to be censored on the lyric Here Come those Santa Ana Winds Again since they intensify LA Fires.

The words Quake TV would have been censored if Don had appeared on a show based in San Francisco bay area.

Cliff Richard (Devil Woman) would not be allowed to play on any Washington DC based show if the Government allows the country to go financially over the Fiscal Cliff in January.

CBS is still reeling from the Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction, and the FCC fines they had to pay because of Howard Stern, and they are under the microscope. All it would take would be one call from one asshole viewer to open another can of worms for CBS.

CBS would have censored the word reeling from Reeling in the Years if that were to be played, since they are still reeling from those other FCC infractions.

I would question that if the New Breed was played on late night network TV, would it be censored?


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 11:28:12 ET
Posted by: Knows All, Tells Some

Here's why.

Karina is an easier enunciation. Katrina is a spit-inducing word.


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 10:41:41 ET
Posted by: Last Time,

If you watch the replay of Letterman, "Karina" was no mistake. He pronounced that lyric loud and clear. That was done on purpose.


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 10:36:21 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Well I think we have beaten the Karina/Katrina thing to death, so no need to keep rehashing it. But I did want to give kudos to KDay for the most ridiculously exaggerated comparisons I have seen in a while. I'm not sure which is more absurd:

Singing the word "Katrina" on TV is on par with Don saying "fuck" 13 times on Letterman without censoring himself.

or

"Sorry he's not Jim Morrison, boomers"--quite honestly that is so out of left field I can't even frame an adequate straw man argument. Perhaps I can offer my own idiotic piece of unneeded hyperbole: "Of course that man didn't eat a ham sandwich on TV, he's not Hitler!"



Jive I forgot to thank you for the piece of research on Good Stuff. I knew what the song was about, but never thought to actually check out the names, as I just assumed they were all fictional. Stupid me. Nice Dutch Shultz connection. Also I love that your parents dig Sunken Condos.


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 06:25:24 ET
Posted by: tripstar, 35,786 kms above Equator

Hi everyone. I'm new here (not so new to SD/DF/WB mania). My picks for the 2-tracks-per-DF album would be:

New Frontier (a personal favourite, I still remember hearing it first time on my local FM station)
Maxine (you can't argue with the chord progression, the vocal arrangement and that M. Brecker solo)

Trans-Island Skyway (C'mon daddy, get in, let's go!)
On the Dunes

Brite Nitegown (Prince must have been jealous)
Mary Shut the Garden Door

(and so far...)
Slinky Thing
Good stuff (my current favourite)

Peace to everyone.


Date: Mon, November 19, 2012, 03:33:07 ET
Posted by: KDay, ;lkjfdsa

He changed it.

Sorry he's not Jim Morrison, boomers.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 22:54:35 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


Dean: The Prawns are an explosion of flavor at Karina's

Gotta watch the shrimp salad though...that could cause the levee to break.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 21:07:24 ET
Posted by: Brewery, 1

East Paterson was renamed Elmwood Park in 1973. More recently, West Paterson became Woodland Park.

Paterson is still Paterson.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 21:02:26 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Mu, I believe you have cracked the code. Obviously Don recently had the seacrake at the fabulous Karina restaurant and could not get it out of his mind.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 18:41:25 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



Dean: I had some seacrake (crab cake with sea cucumber relish) over blackened tilapia with just a hint of dill last night over Creole rice. It was absolutely spectacular.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 16:28:37 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Once again, at the risk of stating the obvious, I'll surmise that 'Good Stuff' takes place around 1930-1931. Prohibition lasted from 1920-1933. Zigfield Follies 1907-1931.

The Weinberg Brothers, Abraham "Bo" Weinberg and George Weinberg provided muscle for Dutch Schultz's mob during the Manhattan Bootleg Wars of the late 20's-early 30's. Through his company, Schultz Trucking, he dominated speakeasy hard liquor and beer delivery, and wiped out most of his rivals, including his chief rival Jack "Legs" Diamond, who survived an attempted hit in 1929, and bolted to Europe.

Seems our narrator worked as a soldier for a rival gang of Schultz's. Dangerous business. He finds his "twist" Julie cheating on him with "that punk" Johhny Rome, shoots (pops) both, then walks to a hophouse to "kick that gong around" (smoke opium). The phrase was popularized by Cab Calloway in his 1930 tune "Minnie the Moocher":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnt6zCDO73M

I assume that the narrator in 'Don't Take Me Alive' was a murderer, if you interpret "crossed my old man back in Oregon" as murdering his book-keeper father. Good Stuff is the only Dan/Don song I can think of in which the narrator actually describes himself murdering someone.

For what it's worth.









Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 15:17:16 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Well isn't it great to know we have someone here who absolutely KNOWS that Don purposely said "korina" or "karina" instead of "Katrina"--and seems to know the reason he did so. Well, KDay, can you tell us why Don choose to sing "seacrake" instead of "seaquake"? Was it in deference to those still reeling over the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906? As Jeffery Ross might ask, "too soon?"

Don flubs lyrics from time to time. Always has. This sounded just like a flub to me.

If he really changed the lyric, why didn't he change to something that makes some sense? Since you KNOW he did it on purpose, and why he did it, why didn't be pick a better substitution? He chose to sing this song despite (or perhaps because of) the recent storm that devastated the north east (and NYC in particular), the song is about a storm, with a levee breaking and floods--yet you think the one thing that mattered, and needed to be replaced, was the word "Katrina"--a reference to a storm that happened seven years ago. Yea, sure. Whatever.

And, before you try to pass off the "imagine Fats Domino and or Alex Chilton being pulled from their homes by force after the water hit" as some justification for being disturbed by the lyric, I'll have you know my brother was completely displaced, lost just about everything he owned, during the storm. The lyric doesn't bother him, or me, a bit. And, since Don wrote the song and recorded and released it with "Katrina" in the lyrics, I'm thinking it doesn't bother him, either.

Now of course I don't KNOW what really happened. But to me the evidence we have doesn't support the purposeful substitution of the lyric--unless of course, the only evidence you need is you think that is what happened.

PGE thanks for the article on the Dukes PBS show. Just like Don to do some retakes for the recording. Gotta make it sound right!

Jive I agree Jon was missed a bit. Don't get me wrong, Wayne is a great guitarist. I'm not sure this style of blues is his real strength, though. Still he did a very find job. Which leads me to another reason Don may have chosen Weather as the Letterman song. It may have been the simplest song to prepare for the show with minimal prep time. I'm not saying that was the reason, as I have no idea. Just saying it might have been a consideration.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 14:16:10 ET
Posted by: Not A Cop, -

Speaking of boots (and floods), there is a flood of AMAZING sounding live recordings from various tours floating around - WOW.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 13:33:48 ET
Posted by: KDay, ;lkjfdsa

The Letterman appearance has been a good test of everyone's fandom, including our fearless leader hoops.

Guys (and it is guys, on this board), he changed the lyric. I was cringing upon hearing the word "Katrina" four weeks ago, well before "Sandy." I know Donald is in character with these songs, but the idea of a bad mental night out or lifetime experience being "my own Katrina" doesn't really scan. And you don't need to be from NOLA to feel that way. Just imagine Fats Domino and or Alex Chilton being pulled from their homes by force after the water hit. Which is what happened to them both.

I know we all want to think of Donald Fagen as this amazing guy that deserves three segments and unending non-pot-joke respect and two songs on Letterman while he says "fuck" 13 times without censoring himself, but, ... come on, guys.

We all have those bootlegs from 1993 that feature forgotten lyrics from Deacon Blues. We were all up that Friday night in 2000 when Don flubbed the lyrics to Cousin Dupree on Letterman. We know what it sounds like when Donald (who had a monitor and the lyrics to his left on a sheet) makes a small misstep.

He changed the lyric. A big part of me is glad he did. Move on.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 13:26:37 ET
Posted by: KiwiSteve, Natick, MA

Saw Donald on Letterman. Mixing was a bit off. Wayne was great, as ways. The posted episode on the Letterman site (full episode) has a better mix.
Steve


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 12:39:46 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

JaeDog, that was my initial thought as well. It also sounded to me like he meant to sing it. But who knows.

Michael, it's a Steely Dan message board -- all of this is unimportant in the grand scheme of things. That said, a rare televised performance from Fagen is gonna get picked apart...


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 12:22:06 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

But he made it in time for the Dukes PBS taping!

Sounds like an amazing night. 3 hour affair.

Some great comments over at PGE's great site!

Sadly we don't get many reports on the Blue anymore.

http://radiodupree.blogspot.com/

Hope we get the full show on DVD and not just a
"sampler".

Sad news about the Fagen solo tour hoops, but it
doesn't surprise me since Don said he took a bath
on the last one. (and only solo tour?)


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 12:16:18 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

It's Like This, glad you enjoyed my post. I already posted my
favorite Fabio songs on his site. Any other suggestions? Keep
it clean.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 12:08:07 ET
Posted by: PGE, @Steely Jan regfarding Jon

Jon Herington was busy playing in Europe ... was it with Madeleine Peroux? Anyway, he couldn't make the Letterman show.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 11:37:36 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Anyone have some big boy pants for they can lend to those posting their REALLY favorite songs. Puhleez...how about you post that shit over in the Fabian Fan Club site.


Date: Sun, November 18, 2012, 10:08:18 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

I will play along.(always enjoy these games)
Green Flower Street
IGY
Countermoon
Tomorrows Girls
Security Joan
Morph the Cat
Miss Marlene
Planet D'Rhonda
Honorable mention:
From the Trilogy 10 Extras:
The KILLER live Green Flower Street
Big Noise New York
Discuss among yourselves


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 21:24:36 ET
Posted by: Michael,

It was probably just a small mistake on Don's part. I've heard him sing the wrong word or even not sing a part of a lyric before -- big whoopite-doo. People make mistakes and forget stuff all the time.

Why is this such a big deal? Are you guys really that bored? C'mon now.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 20:54:22 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

20 years ago, I walked into Tower Records on Sports Arena Blvd in San Diego and picked up 'The Best of Warren Zevon' CD. I was ready for "Bring lawyers, guns and money....the shit has hit the fan..", but instead heard "Bring lawyers, guns and money....I'm doing the best I can..". Ugh.

I have no idea whatsoever as to whether Donald "self-censored" and said "Karina" instead of "Katrina" (as though listeners didn't have the intellectual capacity to make the connection). I sincerely doubt it, but heck, I guess anything is possible. If he wanted no connection, he could have sung "Here comes my anesthesia" or milk of magnesia, or lunch with Gina, or something about amnesia or Propecia.

Krantz is a damn good guitarist, but I was really hoping to hear Jon on lead.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 19:55:00 ET
Posted by: Marketing, Guru

Here's my take: After Sandy, Katrina is so 2005. They didn't want a 3 week old album sounding dated.

Now I'm off to save Twinkies.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 19:15:41 ET
Posted by: JaeDog105,

The only thing that made me think that "Korina" might have been Letterman censorship was a segment in the Jerry Seinfeld movie "Comedian" wherein a comic wants to tell a joke about lupus on Letterman but is told by the network that he needs to change "lupus" to "psoriasis" in order to get by the censors. 2012 or not, networks are strangely sensitive about certain words and topics, and Katrina might be one of them.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 18:58:16 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

Two track per album game:

The Nightfly
I.G.Y

Snowbound
Teahouse on the Tracks
(maybe Countermoon instead of Teahouse on the Tracks)

The Night Belongs to Mona
The Great Pagoda of Funn

Slinky Thing
Miss Marlene


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 14:13:10 ET
Posted by: Colonel Hall, London

O.K. If we are playing this game:



Nightfly:
The Goodbye Look
New Frontier
( Nearly every track deserves to be there )

Kamakiriad:
Tomorrow's Girls
Florida Room
( Hard to leave off Snowbound )

Morph:
The Night Belongs to Mona
Mary Shut The Garden Door
( Two clear winners by miles )


Sunken Condos:
Planet D'Rhonda
Not The Same
( Constantly changing - Planet did not figure for the first couple of weeks. That's Fagen for you!)


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 13:35:29 ET
Posted by: geo,

P.pS. These days I also hear that there will be no Df solo tour. But like I said, I only speak for Susan Johnson.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 13:16:41 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

I think DF was listening to the radio the cab driver had on in the limo on the way over to the Letterman appearance. You know how lyrics can stick in your head, right?

This will totally explain what happened to DF while singing Weather, and clear it up once and for all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thAbnp5EC-U






Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 13:05:17 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, really on the quick, as usual

P.S. These days I hear that there will be no Df solo tour. But like I said, I don't speak for Donald Fagen.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 13:04:48 ET
Posted by: Frank,

Lurker Ray - You say: "They chose that that song Thursday
because it was timely"

Why do you say that with such certainty? That's just your own personal opinion. Why do you state that as fact? What do you know that nobody else here doesn't?


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 13:02:59 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, really on the quick, as usual

Is this some kind of joke? Are some arguing that not only did DF sing Karina instead of Katrina on Letterman, but that it was also a form of deference, if not censorship? Please. I mean really. PULEAZE!

From "More like, more like, more like, more li-iike" to "Marryshuckagahdennah"...well, c'mon!

I won't speak for Donald, but I remember reading a concert review of an Elton John concert several years back where the critic thought Ej was either changing a lyric as a political statement or at least mis-enunciating while singing. OMG, right? So it was a debate in the UK tabloid.

Elton finally responded to the press (I'm paraphrasing a touch): "I was mis-ennuciatiing. What I meant to sing more distinctly was, "F-F-FUCKKK YEWWW."

Wouldn't blame Donald if he ever saw this thread and thought similarly.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 12:47:05 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


re: "just like Mr. Gore says"


I actually love the way the sound rolls off Donald's tongue...and in a blues song, it's quite appropriate to reference someone or something not necessarily connoting approval. "the Nazis in Washington DC" like from Fall of '92 seemed over the top, but this works for me!

The politicization of a real molecule (CO2) is unfortunate and fear of science as well has not been in the spirit of a New Frontier. FWIW, natural ocean cycles and reductions in solar radiation have slowed the heating (see newly released data from UK's the Met but the Earth should actually be cooling now sans 390ppm CO2) and this *may* continue for another 15 years (according to a Russian Met) before the heat is ramped up again. So far, potential amplification by increased water vapor of the greenhouse effect hasn't happened.



Maybe by the new IFY fellas with compassion and vision can fix the weather in the world by then...


...but what's to be done 'bout the Weather in my Head.





Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 12:25:13 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


Chris - you may be right. It would probably be easier to punch them in at the right place

Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 14:39:46 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Mu, others: weren't the masters from EMG transferred to Pro Tools for vocals and overdubs? The idea being, among other things, that the quality of the tape would decline with the number of overdubs usually required for a modern record.



I would LOVE to see Donald do a little tour with a band something like played on Thursday.

The tour I truly regret missing with the 2006 Morph solo tour due to scheduling conflicts with work. Really wish I had flown up to Chi-town. From what I heard of the tour it was absolutely fabulous. In my view at least, the songs on SC would be spectacular live. Weather certainly was!

PLAYLIST

IGY
Security Joan
Good Stuff
Tomorrow's Girls

Goodbye Look
Brite Nightgown
Countermoon
Memorabilia

Green Flower Street
Night Belongs to Mona
Miss Marlene
Snowbound

New Frontier
Florida Room
Great Pagoda of Funn
Slinky Thing













Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 12:15:58 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

Also made me laugh!

Why say "Mr. Gore"? Why not say,
"That Guy" as to not offend anyone?

Ridiculous. Don flubbed a few lines.
Big deal. He's been flubbing words
since '92 and that's why we love him.

They chose that that song Thursday
because it was timely.

I sure hope the "old hippies" aren't
all in a titter because of the
name check.

Really missed Jim's trombone though
and the mixing engineer should be
shot. You can hear him/her diving for
the slider when Wayne starts to let
'er rip. Then continues to futz with
the mix.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 12:12:07 ET
Posted by: sid, Atlantic Beach

Funkaholic1972: That kind of TV censorship went out the window in 1967 with Ed Sullivan and the Doors. Wake up kid....it's 2013


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 12:09:21 ET
Posted by: Steely Jan, Utah

Any body know why Wayne played instead of Jon? Seems odd since Jon played on the album.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 12:08:29 ET
Posted by: Cheese, cheese

I totally agree with I.M. Pistoff. Enough with the Dukes shows/tours and on with the DF solo tour! The Dukes are so damn cheesy!


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 12:05:48 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Does anyone REALLY think Don said "Karina" instead of "Katrina" on purpose, as some sort of self-censorship? Seriously? How does Karina make any sense in the song? What would it mean? When that idea was first proposed here I was sure it was said as a joke. But now that it has been repeated once or twice I'm not so sure. I refuse to believe Don censored himself--and did it this poorly.

Also, I believe Letterman is an actual fan. Might be a bit embarrassed he didn't have time for a proper exchange. Ending the show like that is a bit of an awkward situation.

On Don being "cool": I think it is because his persona isn't calculated or manufactured. He is the genuine item. Walt, too.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 11:03:32 ET
Posted by: Michael, @moray eel

That's an interesting quote from Donald, all the moreso considering how much touring he's done without new material. Heck, the Dukes shows have been about digging out old chestnuts, not promoting new material.

That said, ever since Kamakiriad and 11ToW in the early 90's, there's been just two SD albums, two DF solos and one WB solo -- five albums total. Not much output to accommodate two decades and 14 tours. As much as I'd love for Don to record on a more regular basis, he's the artist, so ultimately it's his decision.

But that's how it is. Some artists are prolific while others take much longer between efforts (e.g. Kate Bush). It's something of a sad situation. Back in the 60's-70's, the average output was one new album every year. Heck, several artists such as The Beatles could churn out two albums in one year. Nowadays it's usually two or three years between albums, which is absurd. (But as bad as that is, it's even worse for us, if you know what I mean.)

My take is that most artists are no longer hungry and just want to tour for the money and the thrill of it. They no longer see albums as revenue generators and therefore have lost interest. The new album release has simply become a tool to promote the tour, rather than the opposite. This would seem to prove that most artists are motivated by profit rather than artistic pursuit.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 08:53:12 ET
Posted by: moray eel, miss

"Karina" was a mistake. Donald also sings

"Seacrake by morning. Says QuakeTV."

m.e.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 06:38:38 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

Posted by JaeDog105:

"Do we think that "Korina" instead of "Katrina" on Letterman was a mistake or Letterman censorship in the wake of Sandy?"

I think censorship, possibly even selfimposed...


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 05:36:58 ET
Posted by: JaeDog105,

Do we think that "Korina" instead of "Katrina" on Letterman was a mistake or Letterman censorship in the wake of Sandy?


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 03:31:49 ET
Posted by: Jay, Leno

Felt jealous re: Dan on Dave last night, so I had the band play "Josie" in the middle of my Key and Peele interview tonight.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 03:17:12 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

It is very difficult, with only two tracks from each album. But this would be my picks:

The Nightfly:

1. I.G.Y.
2. New Frontier (it was very hard leaving The Goodbye Look out...)

Kamakiriad:

3. Tomorrow's Girls
4. Florida Room

Morph The Cat:

5. Morph The Cat
6. Mona

Sunken Condos:

7. Miss Marlene
8. Slinky Thing


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 02:55:59 ET
Posted by: RR, X

I think Don had a Howard Levy flashback when Dave approached.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 01:29:44 ET
Posted by: RP, NC

Here's mine


Nightfly:
New Frontier
The Goodbye Look
(Difficult to chose 2 because the album is SO GOOD)

Kamakiriad:
Tomorrow's Girls
Florida Room

Morph:
Brite Nightgown
Security Joan
(Difficult to chose 2 because the albums is NOT THAT GOOD.

Sunken Condos:
Miss Marlene
Good Stuff
(Difficult to chose 2 because the album is SO GOOD)


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 01:18:06 ET
Posted by: RP, NC


Jive,
I have no doubt that you are exactly right about that. I have been a Letterman fan from the beginning, although my interest in his talent has waned over the last 7-10 years. My love of the work of Dan/Don spans slightly less years, however it is as stong as ever now. It was just interesting to see them react last night. Not much interest on either side to engage the other.. To me, Dave should have made more of an effort to engage Donald but it didn't really happen, and his awkwardness really came out... I guess I should have expected it..
RP


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 01:17:27 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Moray, I'll replace Security Joan with Mary Shut the Garden Door. Carlock's drum work and that eerie, muted vibraphone passage performed by "*Phonus Quaver", who, according to Wikipedia "*Phonus Quaver and Illinois Elohainu (flute) are pseudonyms for Fagen himself when he plays an instrument sample patch on a synthesizer trying to replicate the actual instrument", are epic.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 01:04:24 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

RP, is it plausible that Donald is so quintessentially cool and talented that he brings out Dave's "inner dork"; hence, Dave's awkward, almost sheepish approach?


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 00:45:11 ET
Posted by: RP, NC

Not sure why but I have the David Letterman show on again tonight (Fri). The house band went to the first commercial break with Reelin In The Years..

Read a post about Dave having respect for Donald... I saw the opposite. Last night it seemed like Dave was forcing the praise for Donald, and Donald was not eager to engage with Dave. Seems like a strained relationship at best..


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 00:38:09 ET
Posted by: moray eel, i'll

Jive: I'll play

Nightfly:
I.G.Y.
Maxine
(hard to leave off The Goodbye Look)


Kamakiriad:
Snowbound
Florida Room


Morph:
The Night Belongs to Mona
Mary Shut The Garden Door


Sunken Condos:
Memorabilia
Weather In My Head

m.e.



Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 00:36:35 ET
Posted by: Colonel Hall, London

Jive Miguel - Mona is the only one from your list that would have been on mine. Just goes to show.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 00:25:09 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

There's a special satisfaction when I've got my 80-something parents groovin' to Fagen and SC. Mom gets a kick out of the lyrics, and initially latched onto "Have you met that lovely creature...the exceptional Ivy King". Dad digs the groove, and particularly the horns on Miss Marlene. Mom loves "Lotsy goes down easy, Mo takes it in the face" and "All that bubble, no trouble, whole crew gets to dip their beaks", Dad keeps requesting the Will Galison solo and the outtro on INTSWY. Mom was raised on Ella and Sinatra, Dad on Ellington and Stan Kenton.

Last night on Letterman..watched the high quality vid on You Tube, which gave me a much greater appreciation for the quality of the band than what I heard on TV. Krantz was way too soft in the mix, and while I admire his substantial talent as an esoteric fusion/funk guitarist, and admire his excellent work throughout Morph, Weather is Herington's showcase - straight ahead blues, and IMHO, Jon was missed. Just my $.02.

Difficult task, but I attempted to pick my top 8 Fagen tunes from 34 great songs on 4 solo albums, 2 from each recording:

Nightfly:
Nightfly
Ruby Baby

Kama:
Teahouse
Countermoon

Morph:
Security Joan
Mona

Sunken Condos:
Completely unable to decide

Movie soundtrack:
Century's End
Bright Lights, Big City (cover, partial, right at the end of the movie)




Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 00:14:39 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

With you on the new stiff M.E. that's what I want to hear these days.


Date: Sat, November 17, 2012, 00:10:58 ET
Posted by: moray eel, i

While I was familiar with Steely Dan before, I didn't really get into them until the late 80's during the "Bright Lights, Big City" time frame when Donald scored the film.

I became obsessed and started saving up money to buy all of their stuff. I saw the NYR+SR at Pine Knob in ' 92 and was so excited when Kamakiriad came out in ' 93. THE 1993 tour was announced and Donald appeared in magazines like Jazziz and Musician.

In the magazine interviews, Donald said that the reason they were touring was because they had new music to promote (Kamakiriad, 11 TOW) and that he didn't want to tour unless they had new material. He didn't want Steely Dan to fall into the nostalgia show trap that had captured other groups like The Temptations and The Four Tops.

"No one wants to hear a retread." -Donald Fagen


Recent Steely Dan tours basically ignore everything after 1980. I sometimes wonder whether Donald feels like he has to play "Hey 19" again for the millionth time, in order to please the nostalgia fans or whether he just found it to be a comfortable way to make some money.

These days, the SD tours don't excite me much anymore. Rarities night and 21st Century Dan were great and if they continue to do these shows in my neck of the woods, I'll buy a ticket. If they expand the album nights to include Pretzel Logic and Katy Lied, I'll be there.

Outside of that, what I really enjoy are new albums. I understand that the money isn't there anymore, but 6 years between albums with Donald singing is too long.

Since June of 1993, there have been 4 studio albums with Donald and 14 tours - plus more touring for 2013-2014.

1993 = DF + WB tour
1994 = DF + WB tour
1995 = walking distance tour
1996 = DF + WB tour
2000 = DF + WB tour
2003 = DF + WB tour
2006 = Morph tour
2006 = DF + WB tour
2007 = DF + WB tour
2008 = DF + WB tour
2009 = DF + WB tour
2010 = Dukes tour
2011 = DF + WB tour
2012 = Dukes tour

2013 = Dukes tour
2014 = Dukes tour

m.e.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 23:54:25 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

One more thing after watching the performance again. I don't watch Letterman that much, but I think part of what makes him successful is that he comes across as "cooler" than most of his guests. Mostly because of snarky and sarcastic comments and attitude. I thought that last night he felt unable to rise above Don and the gang's inherent coolness and thus he went for the slightly condescending joke about being in Steely Dan and smoking pot. Then at the end, when at first I felt that he made Don seen awkward I now think that it was the opposite. Don just layed down a ridiculous track that I'm sure Dave liked and he had no "cool" line to play when trying to engage DF.

If there is one thing that I know I've done right in my life it is to identify Don as what is "cool.". Love it.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 23:07:26 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

I don't think Don forgot the words yesterday, I think the "Karina" lyric was a calculated swap to avoid any scrutiny for comparing the hurricane and it's physical and political fallout to his own depression/personal situation. Wasn't it yesterday that BP agreed to a huge settlement? He didn't stumble on that line at all. He sang it so confidently that I had to double check the lyrics to make sure that I had remembered to right.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 21:29:10 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

@ I.M.Pistoff

Thoughts? Hmmmm,i most respectfully disagree with your post.

I don't think The Don is profit motivated.Anything but.

He's surely a multi-millionaire and doesn't need to take orders from a record company-or bank manager.

I suggest The Don simply "plays what(he)feel(s)"

He's a unique artist,and,if he's doing something it's because he genuinely wants to.Whether that's to break away from the constrictions of a solo or SD gig who can say?

Regardless i trust his artistic judgement implicitly.

Regards...


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 21:12:27 ET
Posted by: I.M. Pistoff,

These fucking Dukes tours are getting OLD.

NOW Fagen is touring with Dukes for the next two years? WTF!!!!!!

I REALLY hope Dukes wears out and nobody shows up. THAT will fix Don's wagon.

I know DF is profit motivated and the cost of session musicians is split 3 ways, but come on man.

If you can't get lazy Walt up off his ass for an SD Tour, at least do a solo Fagen Band Tour like in '06.

Thoughts?



Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 19:21:29 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Friday

Hampton Barnett Hawes, Jr.

I knew there was I reason they call you
the Dean. Spin some tonight kids.

He's badass.

Hoops,

How about a FULL Cat report lucky devil!

Thanks for the intel "p"


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 18:54:48 ET
Posted by: BTW,

Thanks Doc--but that story just parrots the BillBoard report from Jun a few hours ago.

Do people read before posting?

What is interesting about the 2013-14 tour story is that it doesn't say where they will tour. Will it be here Down Under? We can only hope.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 18:17:27 ET
Posted by: Technicolor Motorhome, SE USA

Watched last night's performance again.
After further review....
Carolyn Leonhart is the finest most elegant slinky thing on this planet

Still.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 18:08:40 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

The Dukes will tour in late 2013 and early 2014...

http://www.classichitsandoldies.com/v2/2012/11/16/the-dukes-of-september-taping-nyc-concert-for-pbs-special-tonight/


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 17:41:50 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Phil, another thank you for the Wolfgang links. I'm about halfway through the Hampton Hawes set and it is just fantastic. Hawes is amazing. Carol Kaye is really killing it on bass. Al Williams is incredible on this one. Denny is terrific as always. Great stuff! I would have loved to see this live.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 14:39:46 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Mu, others: weren't the masters from EMG transferred to Pro Tools for vocals and overdubs? The idea being, among other things, that the quality of the tape would decline with the number of overdubs usually required for a modern record.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 13:15:07 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Phil, thanks for the Wolfgang's links. I used to get regular email from them, but I think they have an old email address I no longer use. The London concert is easily among the best live performances and sound I have heard. I'm looking forward to hearing the Hawes/Dias set. I love some of Hampton' stuff but find some of the later stuff a bit off-putting. I'm interested to hear what this is all about--and I always love Denny's playing.

Jun, I am also interested to see who is with the Dukes tonight. It is a real shame that Catherine won't be there. She was a HUGE part of the show I saw. I'm sure they will suitably replace her, but I doubt it will be the same.

And what's with the personal attacks and back-biting? I appreciated Mu's confirmation last night, because I didn't know "p" was Pete Fogel. I thought it might be, but how could I be sure? Also, the list provided by Hoops via Pete Fogel didn't list Leventhal. When Mu cited Rosanne Cash's tweet it confirmed it for me. Of course, had I known p was Fogel I wouldn't have needed confirmation.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 13:12:38 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

"Looking at the stage notes, what does "(Never as a solo artist)" mean? "

I'm assuming it means he's never been on Letterman as a solo artist...only with Steely Dan.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 12:55:25 ET
Posted by: Jun,

Billboard reports that tonight's Dukes Channel 13 benefit tonight will be taped and released as a DVD, apparently first as a come-on for pledge drives. Who will be part of tonight's history?

http://www.billboard.com/news/dukes-of-september-supergroup-filming-pbs-1008016832.story#/news/dukes-of-september-supergroup-filming-pbs-1008016832.story


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 12:55:17 ET
Posted by: steelyfez, CT/NJ

Great performance by Donald last night.
I really am enjoying this new album.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 12:22:20 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

LR: Two corrections. The show is taped and Rosanne Cash's twitter was thus available prior to hoops and Pete's post.


Secondly, the information you're referring two was an article before EMG came out that claimed there had been digital editing of the final mix, although the album was recorded in analogue (which was my initial premise). There wasn't a greater fan of live tracking and an analogue, old school recording for EMG, following the Quadra processed TvN.

I cited this article and initially WebDrone responded anonymously with great hostility that NO digital processing of EMG had been done. My responses were mostly to her, and in fact attempting to out her by illustrating some absurdity that D&W could resist digital ProTools et al. One of the engineers interjected anonymously that the article I cited overstated their role...


Since then it has been confirmed that very minor digital editing was done at the end of mixing down EMG.




Back to more important matters - I hope we see Donald do Fallon or another program. It's a shame there really isn't the equivalent of the Midnight Special any longer.




Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 11:46:39 ET
Posted by: Lurker Roy,

Dear Doc Mu,

Thank you for confirming the information from Hoops and Pete Fogel.

Given Pete's in the music business, knows the performers personally, was there for the rehearsal, and was in the studio audience, it was great that you subsequently confirmed that it was indeed John Leventhal.

Reminded me of about ten years ago when you "straightened out" another "dubious source." one of the engineers for the yet-to-be-released EMG album spilled his guts here that the album was largely recorded analogue instead of using predominantly digital technology. You proceeded to tell him in a whole series of posts as to how it couldn't be true. The engineer ended by swearing off ever sharing such info with us again. But you were right. Wait you weren't.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 11:37:28 ET
Posted by: Askin', Q

Looking at the stage notes, what does "(Never as a solo artist)" mean?


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 11:07:14 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

The performance last night was fine, I thought. The sound was spotty, though. I listened through headphones and was a bit disappointed with the mix. Carlock was great, though.

I don't care much for any of these late night hacks, but Letterman used to be decent. (I liked him best on his morning show in 1980.) I happened to go to a taping in NYC a few years ago and it was fine--not great, but fine. But man has he aged. I guess I haven't watched him at all for 3-4 years and I was shocked by how old he looked.

M/O/D/P of course you'd rather "soak up a whole bunch of Sunken Condos tunes in a live setting...as opposed to a jackass TV show setting". Is that really even a debate? IMO, these 1-2 song TV performances are rarely satisfying for anyone. It has to suck for the musicians to get prepared to perform only one song (for an audience that really isn't there to see you in the first place). It sucks for the real fan, because they really get short-changed on any decent musical experience and it probably sucks for a good portion of the audience that isn't familiar with the band's/artist's music--I know I typically turn the musical segments off whenever I happen to watch a program that contains them.

But the idea is the exposure helps grow a new fanbase, and it is probably true at some level. It also can remind some old fans that the artist is still around, vibrant and releasing new material. But I'm guessing Don thinks it is more trouble than it is worth, and that is why he rarely does this sort of thing.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 11:02:44 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Fagen's performance on Letterman was great. I thought the song sounded better live than on the album! But I agree with others...guitar and bgv were down in the mix. Still...the tune was nice.

Not a fan however of burying the musical guest at the very possible end! Don't get why you can't save some time for a quick interview. It just feels like they were thrown on at the end to fill time.

And don't get me started on Lisa's interview. All they talked about was her weight loss and her husbands "big balls". Honestly...why was she even on? Was there anything to promote? It's great that she can afford to have stomach surgery and all...but who gives a flip? She is much funnier fat anyway!!!

Overall...very pleased with the performance and look forward to more tunes played on a tour...or even better yet...Fagen teaming up with Becker for another album...could happen!!!


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 10:57:49 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Towards the beginning of the number, the harmony sounded a bit sour due to someone making a small mistake during the performance, but overall a solid performance. It's always great to see Don in such good spirits, rocking out behind his Rhodes.

I can tell that Letterman has great respect for Don. Hopefully someday they'll sit down together and chat for a little while.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 10:13:55 ET
Posted by: Toni,

At 1:29 something funny happens. It looks as if Donald is singing, but there is no voice comming out of his mouth. Otherwhise a nice performanc though the backgroud vocals and Krantz are to quiet and somehow the Volume seems to varry. Does anyone understand the jokes of Letterman?


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 10:11:59 ET
Posted by: Phil, ici

And now for something completely different:
the Dan in London:
http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/concerts/?utm_source=CVNL&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=121116#/steely-dan/concerts/rainbow-theatre-may-20-1974.html

and Dennis Dias with Hampton Hawes:

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/hampton-hawes/concerts/great-american-music-hall-august-28-1976-1st-set.html?utm_source=CVNL&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=121114

Have anice week end

Philippe


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 09:34:57 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Doc Mu,

Many thanks for the most kind and goodly link...


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 09:09:53 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains, NY

Wow. What a cool performance.

Tim L in a tie! f-ing vintage, man.

What a great ending. Great last chord. Who expected that!?


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 04:48:15 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

Thanks for the link to the Letterman performance, Doc Mu!

I thought it was great! Too bad Wayne was a bit low in the mix, but a lovely performance it was...


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 03:37:32 ET
Posted by: KD, 777

Just saw the Letterman clip. Our man's voice and touch is better than ever.

Appreciate and respect Wayne Krantz to no end, but I could have used Jon Herington there.

Off to listen to this 12 more times. Good times.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 02:18:24 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, running from TV-Land

OK...I get that it's a cookie-cutter TV show, designed & packaged to shill and promote the latest Hollywood/Music Industry crap. I get that this was not "The Donald Fagen Show" starring Donald Fagen. But an hour filled to overflowin' with some brainless idiot tart and a pro-fessional "comedien(n)e" who isn't funny by even the loosest of standards? Then, in the dying minutes, a short clip of one of the greatest songwriters of the last 50 years or so, preceded by a lame-o pot smokin' "joke", followed-up by a quick, semi-condescending walk-through by a jaded, worn-out host? C'mon....

So DF looked and sounded great, even though the guitars (in a "guitar song")were more-or-less absent in the feed I watched. Maybe it's just me, but I would prefer to soak up a whole bunch of Sunken Condos tunes in a live setting...as opposed to a jackass TV show setting...

I hereby demand a tour of some sort. I'm willing to travel within a 1,000 mile radius.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 01:40:18 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Rva

Saw don on letterman. Very much enjoyed it! Weather is really growing on me and sounded great live. I thought the bgv were z bit off and DF goofed on the "Katrina" lyric ( singing Karina by mistake). But he looked energized. Here's hoping to a DFB tour!

I too got the annoying station interruption during the performance


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 01:33:39 ET
Posted by: cool,

Thanks for posting the video. Band sounded great.

Looks like Michael played a cornet instead of trumpet.

Also nice to see Tim L. and Roseanne Cash's husband as new recruits.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 01:19:18 ET
Posted by: YouinyourLark, Dunedin, NZ

Thank you so much Doc Mu!!!


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 01:16:41 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


Kids if you want some fun (and commercial & lousy guest-free):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE8bA-8lGbk


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 00:54:29 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


hoops: The guy to the left of Krantz on power chord duty was indeed John Leventhal in glasses and beard. His wife Rosanne Cash had twittered that he joined the group tonight...

I thought they sounded great. Donald's voice was in excellent form. Carlock was pumped. Krantz' solo was a little down in the mix but expertly executed. The band was tight and hotso...

Dave woke out of his GI bug slumber and was more effusive than in 2000 and 1995 during the congrats and show outtro (recovering from a very dumb pot smoking joke prior to Weather).

Kewl that he held up the LP version. Good stuff.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 00:46:39 ET
Posted by: moray eel, hi

David: "How ya doing, Donald?"

DF: "I'm wonderful."

m.e.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 00:43:36 ET
Posted by: fezo, backwoods

That was pretty cool, except at the very end a local child abduction alert blasted over the t.v. and I couldn't hear a thing. Did Donald ever say anything to Dave?

According to Rosanne Cash via twitter yesterday, Leventhal (her husband)'s appearance was a one-off.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 00:25:50 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Can't take much more

Waiting for DF to come on...this is excruciating. Admittedly, I haven't watched television regularly for a very long time, but...

How do regular TV viewers do this? One idiotic commercial message after another, and, even worse, I just sat through an interiew with some airhead chicky who apparently has a TV show. I lost count how many times she said, "umm", and "like". Her stories were just so unbelievably mundane and unfunny. Definitely a low point in fluffy, pointless promotion.

Right now there's a crude, loud, vulgar "lady commedian" on. Hilarious.

It's 12:25am and I'm in too deep to turn the TV off now. I know DF will be good, but I may never turn the TV on again.


Date: Fri, November 16, 2012, 00:15:55 ET
Posted by: Technicolor Motorhome, SE USA

ANY MINUTE!! JUST AFTER THAT NO TALENT HACK LISA LAMPANELLI GOES ON... HOW IRONIC... wish he was doing Slinky Think or Miss Marlene or Not the Same or Good Stuff. Weather in my head will have to do, not my favorite on the new cd, but still better than no DF or SD at all.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 23:49:11 ET
Posted by: hoops,

BTW: Pete says that the extra unlisted guitarist is John Leventhal.

I'd watch the show but gotta get ready for Black Friday shopping next Thursday!


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 23:30:54 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



Krantz Trio LIVES! ;)


Here



we




go.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 23:20:04 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Actually Jamie Leonhart...any typos are mine.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 23:18:12 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

Pete Fogel was at the show and posted a photo of the actual stage notes from the Late Show staff.

INTRO:

Donald Fagen

3/3/00 s a member of Steely Dan
(Never as a solo artist)
64 (b. January 10, 1948)

Act: Donald Fagen
Performance Date: Thur 11/15
Air Date: Same
Song: "Weather In My Head"
Production Contact: Mitchell (phone withheld here)
Rental Gear: None

Band:
Donald Fagen / Lead vocals & keys
Wayne Krantz / Guitar
Keith Carlock / Drums
Tim Lefebvre / Bass
Jim Beard / Keys
Walt Weiskoff / tenor sax
Michael Leonhart / trumpet
Latanya Hall / bgv
Carolyn Leonhart / bgv
Jamie Leonhard / bgv

Prop. Album-Sunken Condos
Released on October 16, 2012
Song Time 3:30
CHRYON: DONALD FAGEN

goodnight


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 22:29:55 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Mu, was Carolyn there too?


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 22:13:09 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


Add Jamie Leonhart and John Leventhal to those who taped Letterman with DF


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 21:11:57 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

March 2000:

"ANOTHER MEDIUM:
LETTERMAN INTERVIEWS STEELY DAN IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE"

Donald on Letterman tonight reminded me of when Steely Dan was on in 2000 and there were many fan complaints about no interview between Our Favorite Duo and Dave. Here's what I came up with then.

-------

From: hoops
Subject: ANOTHER MEDIUM: Letterman interviews Steely Dan
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000


Thanks to KD's inspiration, I did seek out another forum...another medium. Despite having led us astray with erroneous news that 2vN debuted at #2 on the charts, I gave a certain medium a second chance--Sister Clare Rae at the Lucky Psychic Hut near the rebuilt Speed Lube VI on U.S. 45 North in Urbana, Illinois.

Sister Clare Rae was successful. Entering a parallel universe/television network, with a special 90-minute edition of "Late Show" (just like the old "Tonight Show") where Letterman always interviews his musical guests, Sister Clare Rae was able to intercept the missing Late Show interview of Becker and Fagen. Here's the transcript:

Dave Letterman: Our next guests are legends. Having recorded such well known ditties as "Do It Again," "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" and "Deacon Blues," they now return with their first studio album as a band in 20 years. Here they are for for their second "Late Show" visit. Please give a warm "Late Show" welcome to Walter Becker and Donald Fagen,…

STEELY DAN!

(Wild Applause, Paul Shaeffer and the CBS Orchestra play "Do It Again; " Walter and Donald come from back stage escorted by those two babes who usually escort Dave on stage at the opening; however, one is wearing a girl scout uniform and the other is dressed in US Postal Service attire; only the skirts are really short. Dave goes over and greets them and whispers inaudible things in Walter and Donald's ears. D + W slightly shake their heads in response to Dave. The babes walk away. Walter and Donald and Dave all take their places at Dave's desk.

Letterman: Last time you were here, we had Sam Donaldson here and it was very confusing. Then I remembered--SAM wears the fake hair like me! Wonder where he gets his!

(WB & DF look at Dave, Audience laughs.)

WB: Dave, we still have our own hair, but you can bet we'd talk to Sam and you if we were ever in the market.

DF: Yeah, I think Sam got his at Madame Tousad's.

(Audience laughs.)

WB: Or maybe it was at a Carpetland USA in Jersey.

(Audience laughs more.)

Paul: Hey, you can have my old toupees if you ever need 'em!

Letterman: Yeah, Paul owns a collection, "Fake Hair of the Middle Aged."

(Audience laughs, with a few tentative claps).

Letterman: Speaking of the aged...so your first studio album in 20 years! What a wait! Why so long?

DF: We were waiting for the right time...

WB: Yes, and it took 20 years for things to seem right...the right music...the right climate...

DF: The right marketing...

WB: That's right...we're launching "Two Against Nature" by partnering with two fine American institutions, The United States Postal Service and The Girl Scouts of America.

Letterman: That's what I have heard! Why don't you tell us a little bit about it...

DF: Well, we were approached by the US Postal Service when they were looking to replace Steve Miller's "Fly Like An Eagle" in their commercials. At first they wanted "Jack of Speed"...

WB: Somehow that didn't seem right...so we offered them "Two Against Nature" instead...

Letterman: We have a clip...Hal...roll the clip...

(Commercial Clip Starts)

"Bad news breaking Box 18a
My check's shredded Miss Kitty say
Beautiful housewife in deep distress
Been months since they sent the mail order dress.
Everyone's waiting in this gruesome dream
Mail late again, make you scream
Called your Fed Ex, got USPS
Got the mail dude, don't bet yo' ass.

Two against the Mail Carrier don't you know?
Who's gonna drop the box of your things to go
Two Against Postal Service make it slow
Grannie's gift location is unknown
Two against nature don't get so bent
These boys wanna burn the bags of mail unsent"

(USPS Commerical clip fades out)

Letterman: Wow! Now that's a new image!

DF: And, as a tie in, they issued a new postage stamp to go with the album.

WB: Last October, in time for the holidays, they issued a special commemorative deer stamp...only you have to use two to get the two deers to match the artwork on the new album.

DF: Apparently, during the McCarthy era, Congress passed a law prohibiting the appearance of two deer on one stamp...

WF: Viewed as a communist plot... the deer were perhaps plotting...

DF: But we think the Postal Service was plotting to get Dan Fans to use two stamps...to match the album...

Letterman: I see...so I understand you are working with The Girl Scouts of America too...

DF: That's right...we're sponsoring their cookie sale...

WB: Instead of Thin Mints and Sugar cookies, the Girl Scouts are exclusively selling only our special recipe, "Hall of Fame Swedish Ginger Cookies."

DF: Look for them for sale at card tables set up at malls everywhere...

Letterman: As a matter of fact we have a camera on Eighth where the special goodies are being sold...Hal...!?

(Screen cuts to street scene where Girl Scout-dressed babe in mini from earlier is outside on Eighth standing at a card table selling "Hall
of
Fame Swedish Ginger Cookies." Pink neon sign behind her blinks the word "Girls" off and on. The same babe from earlier who was dressed in Postal Service attire lights a bag of mail on fire so they can stay warm. The babes stand close together snuggly in front of the fire.)

(Return back to the Late Show set.)

Letterman: Thanks to cookie sales people Janie and Melanie...hmmm... would that be a federal case? (Cringing laughter from audience.)...Kids!? You love that Rock and Roll? Well, we'll be right back with Donald Fagen and Walter Becker. They're gonna play something off their new one.... we'll be right back with Steely Dan!!!

(Applause, fade to eight minutes of commercials, followed by the same performance of "Cousin Durpree" and quick end of the show we all saw in THIS parallel universe/television network. )

So there you have it...given her previous track record, I can't attest to Sister Clare Rae's accuracy, except in counting my cash. I guess this won't sooth the pain of there not being a Letterman interview of D + W.

The moral of the story...

"Use your imagination"...you try writing something funny in 50 minutes.

hoops!
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(End of item written in 2000.)


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 20:29:09 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, still at work

DJ: I'd say "wrong board" but amazingly, I happened to be listening to "The Essential Hall and Oates" when your post was made. I guess that's sign to let this one slide.

Catherine Russell was AMAZING last night. And special thanks to the most gracious Kitchen Man. Really nice to know that Cat is singing about a kind, gentleman.

Jim


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 20:01:01 ET
Posted by: DJ, US

New live from Daryls house with Joe Walsh now up.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 18:40:50 ET
Posted by: Colonel Hall, London

KMITB - You got there before me. Didn't spot your contribution.

SO, I've been listening to Sunken Condos for a few weeks now. I don't think that it is too early to say that, for me. it is the best album that I have heard in THIRTY YEARS!!!!


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 18:35:27 ET
Posted by: Colonel Hall, London

Penis Van Lesbian? Wasn't that the guy with a dirty face who danced with penguins?


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 16:07:36 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe - Back From The Pool & Out For Lobster

Paul,

I thought you did your show out of
The Ed Sullivan Theater?

No-brainer for Don to do "WIMH"
with a trio featuring Keith & Wayne.
Very straight ahead blues song.
He will probably very easily add
the Late Show Horns to the mix.

Love Wayne.

Speaking of Ed Sullivan, listened
to a very great master recording
of the Beatles live at The Hollywood
Bowl today.

And for the brain-dead, "Of course
they also have played the EST in NYC!

Wish I could be there tonight!

BTW,

They have those "Crane" games down
here, you know, where you put money
in and try and snag a stuffed animal.
But these "grab" live lobsters!

I'm down 4 bucks so far. Little bastards.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 15:10:02 ET
Posted by: Paul Shaffer, Radio City

All I can tell you is, don't rule out Steve Lukather.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 14:26:18 ET
Posted by: Danfan,

Looking forward to Donald being on Letterman.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 13:03:45 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Dick Van Dyke

O for the block!!!


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 11:38:45 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe - Enjoying A Rare Thurdsay Off By The Pool

Excited for Don's appearance on Letterman tonight!

Really would have thought that INTSWY would be
played tonight also. I guess since WB Records
is hemorrhaging jobs and money and have done
diddly-squat to promote this record, "Single"
does not matter any more. Any way, since
"Sandy" hit, I think it is a great choice.
"Mr. Gore" was even interviewed on the Weather
In My Head Channel this morning.

Though I was looking forward to hearing Will
Galison.

Boy is Donald busy this week! Back-to-back
"TV" shows & concerts! I would have figured he
would have used a majority of players from
the Dukes band on Letterman since they are
already playing with Don Friday night.

My second choice for Letterman would have been
"Good Stuff", a dark horse but oh so "TV Ready".
Speaking of "Dark Horses", I know "Good Stuff"
Is more "Godfather II" than "Godfather I",
but I can't help thinking of "Moe Green" (The
great Alex Rocco) when Don sings, "Mo takes it
in the face"!


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 11:06:30 ET
Posted by: Trivia, Q

And whose real name was Penis Van Lesbian? (last one I promise.)


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 10:43:42 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

LaCock

X gets the square!!!


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 10:39:36 ET
Posted by: Trivia, Q

What was Hollywood Squares host Peter Marshall's real last name? Hint: His son Pete was a ballplayer who used it.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 10:21:15 ET
Posted by: etgynrxexyo, New York

NjYCxb <a href="http://recfxmpgbqhh.com/">recfxmpgbqhh</a>, [url=http://zbbdwajviqow.com/]zbbdwajviqow[/url], [link=http://auxvpinsioed.com/]auxvpinsioed[/link], http://aklbqrumramj.com/


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 10:19:07 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

p, very interesting. Thanks. Are the girls singing backup too? I sure hope so.

And I knew after I posted the LeFAVE thing, someone would be confused (or pretend to be) about what I meant. Let's try it this way: It is easier to know how to pronounce "LeFAVE" (not sure about why FAVE is all caps, though) than "Lefebvre" when those names are read.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 10:06:32 ET
Posted by: p,

Letterman = The Wayne Krantz Trio featuring Donald Fagen


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 09:57:41 ET
Posted by: Also, Dean

Lefebvre IS pronounced "Lafave"


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 09:52:31 ET
Posted by: Jif, Skip

He's also used the name Skip Herbertson.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 09:26:51 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Thanks, Mu. Looks like Krantz is a very good possibility. Terrific lineup.

Did anyone else take a look at Tim Lefebvre's website?

http://www.timlafave.com/

I suppose, since it looks like Tim is doing modeling and acting work, "LeFAVE" might be more marketable than "Lefebvre" as it should be easier to pronounce. Kind of makes my skin crawl a bit, though.


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 02:21:52 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


Dean: the Rajah of Erase whacked my last post, but yes the babe choir was a particular highlight of 2000 and tour.

Weather on deck for Letterman as expected..and will be rocking from sea to shining sea as . Will Lee from the CBS Orchestra may cover bass...no oh, wait from twitterdom:

tim lefebvre ‏@timlefebvre
I'll be in NYC to play The David Letterman show with Donald Fagen thurs 11-15. @KeithCarlock @willbassboy @waynekrantz5


Drums - Keith Carlock
Bass - Tim Lefebvre
Guitar - Wayne Krantz (?)


Date: Thurs, November 15, 2012, 01:23:26 ET
Posted by: moray eel, now

Yes, let the guitarist speculation begin...

Drew Zingg
Wayne Krantz
WB

m.e.


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 23:35:10 ET
Posted by: Greg M, wp

Thanks "P" (Pete?) =P

Love Tim! Excellent choice, in fact.

Good stuff. (pardon the unintended pun)


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 23:34:17 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

p, thanks for the info (I was typing when you posted). Any idea who will be on guitar?


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 23:30:11 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

p, do you know this for a fact? Do you know who will be filling in for Jon?

I can see Catherine is on tour in Indiana that night and the following night--which I assume means she will not be available for the Dukes PBS taping--what a shame.

A quick and dirty web search didn't reveal Jon and Freddie's schedule. Are thy otherwise committed? According to the credits, Jon plays on Weather but Freddie does not (Lincoln Schleifer is credited).


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 23:28:19 ET
Posted by: p,

Greg : Tim Lefebvre is playing bass:

http://www.timlafave.com/


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 23:11:45 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains NY

<<<Jon Herington, Freddie Washington and Catherine Russell will not be in the band tomorrow night (on Letterman) when DF plays "WEATHER IN MY HEAD">>>

Wow. perhaps we'll see the return of Tom Barney?? Probably not, but I am going on record (again): I adore Tom's playing.



Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 22:45:04 ET
Posted by: p,

Jon Herington, Freddie Washington and Catherine Russell will not be in the band tomorrow night (on Letterman) when DF plays "WEATHER IN MY HEAD"


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 22:29:21 ET
Posted by: Wonderful , Thing

Bon Jovi's 19 yr old daughter chased the dragon and was found to be in possession of fine colombian at an upstate NY college.


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 20:56:42 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

I would've expected I'm Not the Same Without You as well tomorrow night on Letterman, but according to Michael Leonhart's Facebook status, they're playing Weather in My Head. Sorry for the spoiler if that bothers anybody.


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 20:50:33 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Good Stuff: "So I popped the both, and I ankled downtown..."

Any other Fagen/Becker/SD songs come to mind in which our narrator is a murderer? "Well I crossed my old man back in Oregon, don't take me alive" Holed up and hunkered down with a case of dynamite, surrounded by law enforcement would/might indicate that "crossed" would mean "murdered" his old man, the book-keeper.

Gaslighting Abbie - a plot to murder, or a plot to drive her insane?



Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 19:33:54 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

"On September 17, Rolling Stone posted a full-length preview of the song "I'm Not the Same Without You".[16] The song charted at number 28 on the Billboard Japan Hot 100 in October 2012.[17] It also entered the official UK album chart at number 23 on October 21 and number 12 on the Billboard 200, becoming his highest charting solo album since 1993.[18]"

That's from the wikipedia site on SC.

I suppose that's what they'll play. Looking forward to a live version of a Sunken Condos song.

Just an educated guess:

Jim Beard - Piano
Donald Fagen - Fender Rhodes
Freddie Washington - Fender bass
Keith Carlock - Drums (now playing Gretsch)
Jon Herington - Guitar
Michael Leonhart - Trumpet
Walt Weiskopf - Alto sax (possibly tenor)
Jim Pugh - Trombone
Roger Rosenberg - Bari sax
Carolyn Leonhart - Backup vox
Cindy Mizelle - Backup vox


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 18:14:16 ET
Posted by: blurb, ;j

Keith Carlock just tweeted about playing with Donald's band tomorrow. As in, "he's in the band."


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 18:13:09 ET
Posted by: Dave B., UK

Pete/Howie

"INTSWY" is also on Radio 2's Playlist A List next week. So are Steps and Olly Murs, mind you, but still...


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 15:19:47 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

"But having personally experienced "Fire In the Hole" which I received as a gift from a hot, but dirty little "ho" in Amsterdam, I am going with the STD interpretation."

Thanks fir making me spray red wine all over my iPad, Strainer!


Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 12:06:28 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

The most recent Strainer was:


Tonite's Strainer comes from the Old Testament Dan, and it is a NON-AUDIO one, which is fairly rare.

Memorabilia, the third cut off of Sunken Condos, with its theme of the beginnings of the Nook-yoo-ler Age taking place in the Pacific in the mid 1950's has brought a renewed interest in such Don/Dan compositions from the past. Don/Dan have actually had several nuclear-themed songs such as the Last Mall, New Frontier etc. IGY also approaches the nuclear subject obliquely.

Name the first ever Dan tune that could be interpreted thematically as nuclear related."

EPILOGUE

There were a few surprises on this one, particularly the suggestion of the tune "Fire In The Hole" by several posters, as well as "Midnight Cruiser" which merits further discussion. If you were to omit the title of "Fire In The Hole", the song's lyrics DO suggest, among others, the protagonist perhaps being in a fallout shelter, post-nuclear blast and reluctant to go outside since there "is nothing else to burn, and nowhere left to turn". But having personally experienced "Fire In the Hole" which I received as a gift from a hot, but dirty little "ho" in Amsterdam, I am going with the STD interpretation. By contrast, "The Last Mall" for example, is fairly definitive in its pointing out of the absurdity of today's rampant consumerism even in a post-nuclear scenario threat of certain death from radiation sickness under a "blood orange sky".

"Midnight Cruiser" was an interesting suggestion, the cruiser being the Enola Gay nuke bomb delivery plane, which is certainly plausible. Steve M. of Scotland may wish to elaborate on that one.

The tune we were looking for was indeed "King of the World" which specifically details post-nuclear bomb effects and, in addition, refers to Santa Fe, in the US state of New Mexico. The Manhattan nuke bomb development Project took place in the south-central part of that state in the 1940's. First with the answer was Steve M. of Scotland, along with several other Scots who are up their nukes. Which brings to mind a bumper sticker some years ago that the anti-nuclear energy camp that read "NO Nukes". The pro-nuclear energy camp countered with a sticker that read "KNOW Nukes".

The Dan/Don discography is one where idealized or psycho chicks, drugs, addicts, gangsters and death etc. predominate. Be sure to count the nuclear theme as at least a tertiary or quaternary level of influence on the songs of the Dan/Don's pantheon of "Memorabilia"....







Date: Wed, November 14, 2012, 03:04:19 ET
Posted by: steely nuke,

Fire in the Hole is about a sexually transmitted disease, so not the right kind radioactive metaphor.


Date: Tues, November 13, 2012, 18:58:11 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

@Strainer - If you're talking about songs on official releases, I suppose that one could take the lyrics of Fire in the Hole to describe life in the nuclear winter. That's iffy, though, and the other songs mentioned before the strainer was cast - KOTW, New Frontier, The Last Mall - are pretty explicit.


Date: Tues, November 13, 2012, 12:41:11 ET
Posted by: CJB, YVR

Not all of this is great, but the first stanza sure sounds right:

I Am the Steely Dan of Poetry
Evonne Acevedo

Consider soul: etched in the deft
contours of jazz, palpable with static, in black jungle
swinging with lichens and tongues; the feverish nap
latitudinal with ghosts. And in the degrees between or above, _absolute space_, squirming color, a
Southern dawn involving syncopation and rapture.

To own soul, consider it lacking,
in the act of lack; or acting god, of God.
Cite the sad practitioner, the admitted journeyman
leaning on the organ, counting to four.
Dull youth and their neo-rapture, not ascending.
Girls with dead eyes
chewing and chewing, legs wide apart.

The executors of soul have several fingers and generalized ache –
one articulates the wound’s perimeter;
one picks the flesh to bits.
This former, rattling with masonry,
exemplifies, doubts,
illustrates and kneels,
crawls in his tracks; and thus flagellated into excellence
wipes the table, arranges the fruit.

This is the teeth of singing,
the Jesus of holidays.


Date: Tues, November 13, 2012, 12:30:39 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Ha ha, like the post Howie ! Sadly, I am sure they would not take much notice of me ! Nice to see the CD is radio 2's album of the week, albeit perhaps a bit late to have any impact on sales, as i think all Dan fans will have bought it by now. Maybe,as others have said, releasing the most accessible track Weather in My Head might give the album a sales boost. in any event, it has done very well considering the state of the music business at the moment !


Date: Tues, November 13, 2012, 11:13:58 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Now this is interesting and maybe a bit confusing...

The Night Belongs to Mona
Bass guitar: Freddie Washington
Acoustic bass: Harlan Post Jr.

Another revelation while reading the MTC credits... Michael Leonhart does not play on this album at all.


Date: Tues, November 13, 2012, 10:53:29 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

On November 13, Felix Unger was asked to remove himself from his place of residence; that request came from his wife.


Date: Tues, November 13, 2012, 09:55:23 ET
Posted by: Music , Quiz

Today's date is significant to which TV sitcom's intro/theme song?


Date: Tues, November 13, 2012, 08:40:15 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,



"BTW Sunken Condos is kinda sinking at 105 on the Billboard (week 3). Weather in My Head on Thursday/Friday/Whatever could cure that if anyone still watches Letterman."


Well, on the brite side, sources say that Sunken Condos has gone DOUBLE PLUTONIUM (week 3) in the Marshall Islands...


Date: Tues, November 13, 2012, 08:18:54 ET
Posted by: Howie Le Marr, Leeds UK

It looks like my fellow Brit Pete Evans may have some influence with "the powers that be" after all (see his post of 6/11/12). BBC National Radio 2 have made Sunken Condos their album of the week. See the attached link which gives reviews & comments on Donald's latest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/recommenders/l2gj


Date: Tues, November 13, 2012, 00:35:45 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P , Thursday night after the "news"

QUOTE, The Dean - "Perhaps Don didn't want to be on the same show with that wind-bag Phil. One can only hope."

As a confirmed TV non-viewer for the last fifteen years or so, I'm not really familiar with most of today's oh-so-hip televison references. But as a guy who unfortunately all too often finds himself in a room/bank line-up (no, really)/dentist's office(!)/or other places where other less discriminating folk are consuming/viewing, I can only agree with your assessment of the "doctor". Plus, I think that the term "windbag" is terribly under-used these days. I too would like to think that Don wouldn't want even a "TV" association with the shallow, by-now-thoroughly-discredited Self Help Guru.

Has anyone linked/posted this Will Galison interview here yet? It's a good read.....

http://somethingelsereviews.com/2012/11/11/steely-dan-sunday-confessions-of-a-side-man-recording-on-donald-fagens-sunken-condos-part-1-of-3/


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 22:30:07 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Mu, one other highlight of that Letterman performance is the off-the-charts gorgeous factor of the backup singers. Carolyn, Vicky and Cynthia really look great. (Yes, even The Dean can be shallow at times.)

While Dupree isn't my favorite Dan song, I really liked that short spirited version. I thought it sounded great.


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 22:24:09 ET
Posted by: peter meter,

Letterman

Thursday, Nov 15


Zooey Deschanel--Arrrrowwwwwwwwww, Stiff Woodage!

Lisa Lampanelli--Ugggggh, Major Shrinkage

Donald Fagen--Slight Woodage


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 21:51:18 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



Dean: Trading Dr. Phil for Zooey sounds like a great idea.

FWIW, Walt Weiskopf's site also lists Thursday


http://www.waltweiskopf.com/performances/



Is the performance of Cousin Dupree the last time Fagen was on Letterman?

Gotta be honest, beside the horns and Walter mini-solo, it was not that great...then I'm not a real fan CD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFV8ATd7pd8


Frankly, EVERYTHING on Sunken Condos absolutely buries Cousin Dupree.

Although, Fagen could pull a fast one and play Ghetto, but I feel he's going to go topical and high on the iTunes Q-factor with Weather in My Head. Marlene or Memorabilia would be cool.

Then, man I'd love to hear Slinky or Good Stuff or Planet d'Rhonda. INTSWY would be fine (great song), but it's had its chance









Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 21:21:18 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

@ Brain Strainer,

King Of The World,shirley??


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 20:46:47 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

it's like this: thanks for sticking up for me. whoever was talking about that pic I posted, it was about the high heeled bowling shoes, follow the threads...

thank you "it's like this"


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 20:19:17 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

@ Brain Strainer - I'm thinking Fire In The Hole and/or King Of The World for early nuke references.


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 20:15:16 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

"Name the first ever Dan tune that could be interpreted thematically as nuclear related?"

It's at this point I say 'King of the World' and everyone else laughs derisively, shaking their heads, pointing out that 'Midnight Cruiser' is clearly a metaphor for Enola Gay etc etc.......


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 20:09:57 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

@ Nicholas Urfe - good catch on Last Mall. "The Big Adios" does have a certain apocalyptic finality to it. Particularly interesting that this is the LAST mall. Have all the other thousands of malls already met their demise? The result of global economic collapse? World-wide consolidation?

Miss Marlene - I'm still picturing Uma Thurman's "Debbie Miller" Jersey Girl character in Hysterical Blindness, with her hot pal Juliette Lewis. I went to HS & college in NJ through the 1970's. There were lanes all over Rt 22, always crowded, and always a great hangout for date night. This was when teenagers could drink and smoke, and nobody gave anyone shit about it. I dated a tall blond girl who was feminine, pretty and sexy, and a great athlete, and pretty damn good bowler. But she never played any HS sports, because she was way too interested in partying.


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 20:09:57 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

@ Nicholas Urfe - good catch on Last Mall. "The Big Adios" does have a certain apocalyptic finality to it. Particularly interesting that this is the LAST mall. Have all the other thousands of malls already met their demise? The result of global economic collapse? World-wide consolidation?

Miss Marlene - I'm still picturing Uma Thurman's "Debbie Miller" Jersey Girl character in Hysterical Blindness, with her hot pal Juliette Lewis. I went to HS & college in NJ through the 1970's. There were lanes all over Rt 22, always crowded, and always a great hangout for date night. This was when teenagers could drink and smoke, and nobody gave anyone shit about it. I dated a tall blond girl who was feminine, pretty and sexy, and a great athlete, and pretty damn good bowler. But she never played any HS sports, because she was way too interested in partying.


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 20:04:10 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Tonite's Strainer comes from the Old Testament Dan, and it is a NON-AUDIO one, which is fairly rare.

Memorabilia, the third cut off of Sunken Condos, with its theme of the beginnings of the Nook-yoo-ler Age taking place in the Pacific in the mid 1950's has brought a renewed interest in such Don/Dan compositions from the past. Don/Dan have actually had several nuclear-themed songs such as the Last Mall, New Frontier etc. IGY also approaches the nuclear subject obliquely.

Name the first ever Dan tune that could be interpreted thematically as nuclear related.


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 19:19:49 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

That thought about The Last Mall is brilliant. I love that idea.


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 18:28:33 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Mu thanks for the heads up.

I'd have to think Letterman's site would be the most accurate. My Comcast guide still has Don on Friday. To be safe, I am taping both nights.

I think both shows are taped on Thursday. I wonder why the switch (if there indeed was one)? Perhaps Don didn't want to me on the same show with that wind-bag Phil. One can only hope.


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 18:24:43 ET
Posted by: Nicholas Urfe, Phraxos

@Jive Miguel - Don't forget to add The Last Mall to the list of songs about the age of the bomb. I always took that song to be a commentary about the age of consumerism - upon hearing that nuclear bombs were heading in, there would be a rush for some last-minute shopping.


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 15:40:20 ET
Posted by: µ,

If you're tuning in Friday be sure to pick up on the excitement of


Friday, Nov 16
Dr. Phil
Carmen Lynch
Divine Fits









Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 15:34:38 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

uhhhhh dudes... Letterman's official website has Fagen broadcasting on Thursday (Nov 15) instead Friday (Nov 16). I know, I know, the show taping is Thursday, regardless.


Thursday, Nov 15
Zooey Deschanel
Lisa Lampanelli
Donald Fagen


http://www.cbs.com/shows/late_show/



BTW Sunken Condos is kinda sinking at 105 on the Billboard (week 3). Weather in My Head on Thursday/Friday/Whatever could cure that if anyone still watches Letterman.


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 13:13:57 ET
Posted by: Kelly Bundy,

Head Pinn,

Your depiction of Marlene is merely a bowling stereo system.


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 13:10:30 ET
Posted by: head pinn,

Its Like this

No knock on Steely Doc. An excellent pic that would go good in the men's room at our local garage.

I did not have a pic, but how was my concept?


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 12:40:14 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Head Pinn - me thinks you spent a bit too much time persuing that post-graduate journalism degree (but those soft hands sure can type those keys)...don't mess with steelydoc as he's one of the few worthwhile posters


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 12:30:36 ET
Posted by: head pinn,

As we have seen, Don's songs have multiple interpretations, and seldom are characters of virtue. When I think of a Bowling Alley Queen it is nothing like the picture that Steelydoc put up here. For me, this is the picture of Miss Marlene that comes to mind:

Bleached hair with split ends from cheap salon treatments. Dark roots growing out about an inch or two. Can't afford to go to salon more often since Marlene spends much of her child support, welfare checks and Section 8 money on Hurricane drinks, smokes, possibly crack coke, and bowling.

Weathered face and body from too much tanning and smoking. Used up looking. Knobby finger joints. Bitten off fingernails with chipped polish and unpolished sections growing out.

The Hoop Earrings are from a bin at the dollar store.

Raspy voice from too much smoking and drinking Hurricanes and missing several pre-molar teeth. Constant gum chewing and has a thick Boston or Brooklyn accent.

Those Skinny Legs are weathered, no quads or calves. Wrinkly knobby knees. And no buttocks.

Single Mom with four kids who from three different fathers. The oldest ones are teens who are already in legal trouble, and the daughter has been already knocked up at 15. The youngest two are latch-key kids since Marlene has to get to the bowling alley by 6:30 four nights a week.

She has worn out the three other dudes on her bowling team in the sack, who are not getting any at home from their wives or are losers, such as the narrator.

It's just The Impression the I Get...



Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 09:01:16 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

You gotta like the way Steelydoc conducts his practice here on the blue...info that's short & sharp...the best short game in the business...as opposed to someone else on here who I needn't mention (deen).


Date: Mon, November 12, 2012, 07:20:23 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

Joan:

Here's your Christmas present:

http://www.strikingproducts.com


Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 22:56:18 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, ed sullivan theatre

Because of the crazy Sandy, Noreaster, winter-spring we've had this week, "Weather" is without a doubt the tune The Donald plays on Dave's Late Show.
BUT...
He will also sit in with the band all night and during every commercial break, a Steely Dan tune will be played. We, the tv viewing audience will only hear the opening and closing tune snippets. "Peg" is first, "Hey 19", "Reelin", "Deacon Blues", and a less-often heard ie. "Night By Night" or "Dr. Wu" will round out the evening. I believe Dr. Phil will be the only guest, as Dave usually does his monologue, then some schtick, Top 10 list, commercial after commercial for the first 1/2 hour. Followed by the interviewee (Doc P) and then, after 5-7 more ads, the musical guest. DF does ONE song.
BUT...
the audience will get to hear another DF solo tune as we the viewers get to hear that one's opening snippet and we'll see the closing credits and then, you guessed it...more commercials to take us into the night/la-la-land.


Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 21:32:15 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, where it's raining like crazy

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Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 21:29:49 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, where it's raining like crazy

Jive Miguel...I could see that about Uma.

Joan: I'm sure they sell high heeled bowling shoes at Bergdorfs.

Brutus: You're right-- with a hook like Marlene's, I'm sure SHE would have done ME.


Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 13:29:56 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

When I think of Marlene throwing back Hurricanes, with her long, skinny legs and hoop earings, I picture Uma Thurman in Hysterical Blindness:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HxiPhDqHsrQ/Tll-_TYuRmI/AAAAAAAABKI/486WGP4jjFI/s1600/HystericalBlindness.jpg


Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 09:49:26 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Much as I'd love to hear Miss Marlene performed on Letterman, Don will probably opt for either INTSWY or Weather.


Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 04:52:37 ET
Posted by: 1-3, Pocket

The case for Kulick as Marlene? He got the idea to write about a bowling chick somewhere, and Kulick was the most notorious. The New York Times did a story, and Jay Leno joked about her. In that youtube video, the announcer says "The biggest shot of her career, right here right now" and she then proceeds to strike. That shot clinched a Tournament of Champions win, and in the bowling world that is "sky high stakes." She's also playing the inside line. And Donald, by calling the line as such, shows that he probably tunes into bowling instead of the NFL on Sundays. Most people would say "in the middle" or "close to the gutter" to refer to the inside and outside lines respectively. As someone who's watched bowling for 36 years, I was impressed by this on my first listen to the song.

But Marlene is a local bowling alley queen, and every house has one. I don't think she's a babe, she's attractive in her own lovable gawky bowling chick type way.


Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 02:50:39 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Donald's appearance on David Letterman is on November 16, 2012.

The lovely and exceptional Ivy King (of Memorabilia fame), the largest pure-fission bomb to date, was "tested" at Eniwetok Atoll in the Marshall Islands on, yes, November 16, 1952.

This was a 500 kiloton bomb, 25-40 times the yield of the bombs dropped in WWII.

The first Ivy test was Ivy Mike, 11/1/52, 10.4 megatons, the very first H-bomb, and 500 times the yield of Nagasaki.

Jimmy P. Robinson, a USAF captain, was lost while piloting his F-84G through the Ivy King mushroom cloud to collect air samples; he ran out of fuel and attempted to land on water but was never found.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ivy

Of course, many from Don's generation have a fascination with nukes, the Cold War, and the "Red Threat". This was referenced at least twice on Nightfly - IGY and New Frontier, and at least once with SD, King of the World from Countdown to Ecstasy.


Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 01:18:21 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

OK, after thinking about my reaction to the concert I'm thinking:

From now on, everything The Dan listens to has got to be funky.

:#)


Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 01:13:24 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Jive, now that I checked it out I definitely know the Smokey version of The Monkey Time. But I completely forgot about it (as soon as the song played I knew what it was.) Great pickup!

Just returned from a Buddy Guy/Jonny Lang concert. I was shocked both by how much I was disappointed by the whole of Lang's band set, and also how much I totally digged Buddy Guy's set.

At 76 years old, Buddy Guy was a marvel, he was awesome and his band was out-fucking-standing. Lang's band was completely out of sync at least to my ears. Talented? Yes. But just not--I don't know--tight enough for me. At times they were all really shredding, but it seemed as if they weren't really listening to each other. They seemed to lack the ability to get into a real groove. Even when they played Stevie Wonder's Living for the City (one of the few songs they played with an actual quality groove), they just didn't seem to have a real pocket.

Maybe I was just expecting something different. Given what little I have heard of Lang, I sort of thought his band would be a blues version of Derek Trucks Band. But boy was I wrong. I know in the past, Lang and Buddy have played together. Not even one song this time, and I have to believe Buddy Guy isn't that crazy about what Lang is playing these days. I certainly might be wrong about that.

Overall a great time, but I won't be rushing out to see Lang again in the near future. OTOH, I will see Buddy Guy anytime he is in the area--if that ever happens again.

Earlier in the day I HAD to play the jukebox in my favorite local bar (the shit that was on was simply unbearable). Much to my surprise several songs from Sunken Condos were available. I played Slinky Thing and Weather. Both received an extremely positive reception--even from a girl who was pissed I didn't play her requests.


Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 00:55:08 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

PS....The song I mentioned in the last post was called "The Monkey Time". Curtis Mayfield wrote the music, Major Lance the lyrics and recorded the original. Bruce Springsteen sampled The Monkey Time on The E Street Shuffle.

In 1971, Boz Scaggs recorded a completely different song called "Monkey Time".


Date: Sun, November 11, 2012, 00:34:17 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

Apologies if this ground has already been trod, but, I'm always interested in researching when Donald uses seemingly obscure names or phrases.

For instance, "Have you met that lovely creature, the exceptional Ivy King". Ivy King, of course, was the largest pure fission nuclear bomb ever tested by the US. Harry Truman, 1952, just north of the "lovely" Runit Island.

"Monkey Time, 24/7" on Planet D'Rhonda. Major Lance recorded The Monkey Time in 1963, and it was subsequently covered by Smokey Robinson, Laura Nyro, Curtis Mayfield, and The Tubes. Great R & B. There's also a company called Monkey Time, which produces children's crib bedding.

My gut tells me that Weather will be the tune of choice for Letterman. Straight ahead blues, great horn chart, no major strain on Don's pipes, and hopefully a Herington appearance. Immediately musically/lyrically accessible to those unfamiliar with SC, or Don's work for that matter. Could we be lucky enough to be treated to a 2nd tune? Heaven knows, even an interview?


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 22:28:20 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

A couple searches list Dave hosting Donald and everybody's favorite miracle worker, Dr. Phil. Instead of the usual 2 guests and some music, a chat with DF (mentioning a solo outing and SD's 41st Anniversary Agenda!?) and/or 2 tunes would be sweet. I'm sure Dr. Phil will ramble or Stupid Pet stuff will fill the hour, but dammit we can dream!

Flippin' to the serious script, I wish the best to our DanDom friends and family dealing with Sandy's aftermath. Also, Veterans and current military warriors, THANK YOU for your service and sacrifice. You deserve much more than a free meal at Denny's and a carwash tomorrow!

God Bless!


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 20:12:37 ET
Posted by: Security Joan, Philly

Lewis - My Ken & I will be at the Lincoln Center show Friday. I know of at least one other who will be there... is a mini-Danfest in order?


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 20:09:12 ET
Posted by: Security Joan, Philly

Hoops - I've heard some odd male fantasies, but "spike heeled bowling shoes" is the most original ever - I tip my hat, er, shoes? to you for that one! (Also for the allusion to cousin Janine - tight capris)


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 17:11:24 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

What no love for Planet D'Rhonda on Letterman? I for one would
love to hear it. Maybe Paul sits in and blows the shofar? The Jews
always were good to there help. ( I know very lame, but hey I couldn't
resist)


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 16:02:06 ET
Posted by: Burnt Out Hippie Clown,

Hoops: Did you read my post? I think you misunderstood me.


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 15:26:24 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Actually she'd have "done" you Hoopster.:)


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 14:15:38 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

I don't know any bull dykes who wear hoop earrings--then again, I don't know many bull dykes.

Actually, I picture Marlene as being quite hot, bowling in tight capris and spike-heeled bowling shoes (I know, no such thing as spike heeled bowling shoes but that's what picture.) Striped top with nice, full boobs and auburn hairdo that's slightly big in a Jersey girl sorta way. Just the right spread on her hips. A little more classy than Mrs. Bundy on "Married With Children."

Yeah, I would have done her.


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 13:59:54 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Honestly I think there are 7 songs on this album fit for playing on Letterman. Each have their own attraction.

I agree Slinky Thing would kill as the choice. Funked-up beat, acoustic bass and an extraordinary outro full of catchy vocal harmony.

Not the Same W/O You: Hey it's the "single". Very accessible and the most likely of the original tunes to have been heard once or twice by some in the audience. Great horn chart. Offers a fine opportunity for Paul's band to join in.

Memorabilia has a very catchy chorus (in fact, so "catchy" I came to appreciate it a bit reluctantly). Terrific subject matter. Great opportunity for Mike L to shine.

Weather--great straight-ahead soulful blues tune. Perfect spot for killer guitar solos. Horns. Don should be able to belt this out without any problem. No brainer if he does two, IMO.

Ghetto is also an easy choice if he is looking for a song some might have heard--a touch of familiarity as it were. An acoustic bass looks great on stage but so does an accordian, fiddle and clarinet. Another I think could be in the mix in the very unlikely event he gets to play two.

Miss Marlene would be awesome, as it has a really classic Steely Dan feel. Instantly likable. Terrific small short guitar solos and brief horn fills.

Good Stuff hasn't really been mentioned (I don't think--I might be wrong). Great NYC tune with a wonderful narrative. But the words probably don't really make an impact in this setting. Melodica solo--Don loves that. Wah-Wah type guitar. Drums a little more upfront here, so that might be nice. Darkhorse entry to be sure.

I'd probably opt for Slinky or Weather. I think he will play Not the Same, Weather or Ghetto. But hey, it's all a guessing game.

For the record, I'm not sold on the idea that being on the sticker of the packaging really means anything here. I doubt Don picked which songs to list on the sticker but I'm pretty certain he will decide what he plays on Letterman. Obviously there is a decent chance one of the sticker songs will be played--but that won't be the reason it was chosen, IMO.


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 13:32:24 ET
Posted by: Burnt Out Hippie Clown,

Hurricane: I doubt that very much. Miss Marlene sounds like a "babe". Not a bull dyke!


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 12:33:05 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

I still think Weather in my Head. Bluesy, easy vocal, and it's on the sticker ...

Although if *I* were in charge, I'd pick Slinky Thing, because it's the best damn song from Fagen in decades, Jay Leonheart is probably available, and upright basses look good on TV.


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 11:17:58 ET
Posted by: Hurricane, P

I wonder if Kelly Kulick was the inspiration for Miss Marlene. She got a lot of press for beating the men a few years ago, around the time DF would have been writing the songs for SC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-vAjuWgFZ4


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 08:03:22 ET
Posted by: Colonel Hall, London

Incredibly unimaginative questions on Mastermind, last night. I haven't seen the show for years. I am sure that it was better than this. Mind you, the senior British television channel, prime time and somebody is being questioned about Steely Dan. Outstanding!


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 07:36:27 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK

Steve, I got them all right except the Walk It Like You Talk It question !! ( What a nerd ).


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 04:27:20 ET
Posted by: Lewis, Austin

Who's coming to the show at Lincoln Center on Friday night?


Date: Sat, November 10, 2012, 01:35:12 ET
Posted by: hoops, On a smartphone

Sorry about the spam. Will take care of later today. Thanks for your patience.

Jim


Date: Fri, November 09, 2012, 15:54:08 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

Re: Mastermind

11 points I think? (contestant got 9)

Didn't get:

producer of 'You Gotta Walk it"

Record label of A in A

Sax solo on Deacon Blues.....Christlieb NOT Gottlieb for goodness Steve!!!!


Date: Fri, November 09, 2012, 15:28:58 ET
Posted by: Mr Ziegfield,

Marlene on Letterman

Planet D'Romney lyrics were brilliant!


Date: Fri, November 09, 2012, 13:45:25 ET
Posted by: PGE, ???

ok...

He'll play a stunning version of

"One More Night"

get an unsurpassed number of new fans and sail into the sunset with a big grin on his face.

Whomever will play Novemeber 16 on the Letterman Whatever...

...

then again...


Date: Fri, November 09, 2012, 13:05:46 ET
Posted by: zack,

Weather In My Head + Letterman = more fans


Date: Fri, November 09, 2012, 11:19:35 ET
Posted by: DonBreithaupt, Toronto

Marlene + Letterman = new fans


Date: Fri, November 09, 2012, 10:55:59 ET
Posted by: Can't Write Home, about u

Article is hard to read. This writer has no flow.

Without fellow Steely Dan co-founder Walter Becker to trade quips with, today he instead has Michael Leonhart, who co-produced Fagen’s new album, Sunken Condos, which sounds more like a Steely Dan album than anything since Gaucho (1980), the band’s 42-musician, 8-song farewell.

The next 8 lines are enclosed in parenthesis.

But those rare 8-song Gaucho misprints I hear are worth a lot.


Date: Fri, November 09, 2012, 10:49:33 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

"what jazz was starting to bore Don"

Sorry


Date: Fri, November 09, 2012, 10:42:15 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I really liked the Tablet article. Michael's right when he says "It's one-half SD ancedotes [sic] and the other personal conjecture by (and often about) its author and being Jewish." But so what? That's exactly what the article is. It's written for a Jewish culture magazine.

I don't agree with all of the author's assumptions or conclusions and he makes a factual error or two along the way. But I thought it was a pretty compelling article about Don and The Dan. I even learned a bit more detail about the specifics of what jazz starting to bore Don in the 60's. It may not be news to all, but some of the details were new to me. That's a rare thing these days, when most articles rehash the same old tired material and most interviewers resort to the same old tired cliche-riddled questions.

And, somehow over the years, I had forgotten how good Laura Nyro's version of Eli's Comin' really was. I guess 3-Dog-Night's soulless version had corrupted my memory.


Date: Fri, November 09, 2012, 08:33:00 ET
Posted by: Michael,

That "article" is an embarrassment. It's one-half SD ancedotes and the other personal conjecture by (and often about) its author and being Jewish. You have to sift through several paragraphs before you even reach a DF quote, rarely mentioning SC. Also, the author said that Michael Leonhart was present yet didn't quote him even once. Guess he had nothing to say? Stupid.


Date: Fri, November 09, 2012, 05:08:14 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Here is a nice, long DF piece that I'm pretty sure hasn't been posted yet.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/music/114035/shanah-tova-from-donald-fagen


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 23:30:32 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

$5 says he plays Memorabilia on Letterman. Maybe it is still a little early, but no email from Carolyn advertising his (and her) performance on the upcoming show. Plus:

-Shortest song on the album
-gets to feature/promote his buddy on trumpet/flugelhorn
-no intro on this tune, he gets right into it (seems appropriate for a one-off show)
-something about going with the nuclear theme post-election seems Fagen-like
-Requires minimal staff to perform

A side note about this song: you know the subject matter has been percolating for years. So why not until this album did he decide to sing about it? Just never fit on a SD album? Almost seems like a Nightfly cast-off. It continues to be my favorite.

I'm pleased that the Letterman performance is Friday night, I can enjoy with my Grados while the kid and wife are cozy in their beds.


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 23:26:26 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Brutus Charisma - Great interview. Good find. At least the interviewer seemed to get it, and Donald and Michael seemed really at ease. Very nice.


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 22:15:45 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Rumsfeld,

I have not myself listened to the 96/24 DTS version.

Someone I know really well has heard it, and he answered some of the same questions you're asking.

Here are some selected excerpts from his email observations. He is more or less an audiophile.

He listened quickly one night, about a minute per track.

'I don't know where or how this this thing originated but it sounds like it was pirated from the studio to me. A phenomenal mix with distinct instrumentation and/or vocals in each surround channel.'

I asked him what he played it back on.

'My bluray player.My receiver just detected the DTS stream and displayed "DTS" on the front panel. And YES, it sounds like DVD-A to me. Beautiful! I burned it on a regular old CDR. Nothing to it at all. Simple.'

Hope this answers your questions.






Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 19:09:27 ET
Posted by: H, Q

This interviewer is bringing up a lot of stuff we already know about.


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 19:01:38 ET
Posted by: Groovin', 3 sides

At 14:30 in that interview, they hit on something I had often thought of: Whats the sense of vinyl for something recorded digitally?


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 18:20:11 ET
Posted by: Brutus Charisma,

Ok everybody stop talkin' bullshit and listen to a new DF/ML interview:

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/2012/nov/08/donald-fagen/


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 17:58:59 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Mitt

That song was strangely prophetic on several levels.

Especially for Barrack O., who was known as "Barry" in his youth....


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 16:26:59 ET
Posted by: Mitt,

I do SO listen to the Dan! Currently listening to:

I'm not one to look behind I know that times must change
But over there in Barrytown they do things very strange
And though you're not my enemy
I like things like they used to be
And though you'd like some company
I'm standing by myself
Go play with someone else
I can see by what you carry that you come from Barrytown

Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard
I just read the Daily News and swear by every word
And don't think that I'm out of line
For speaking out for what is mine
I'd like to see you do just fine
But look at what you wear
And the way you cut your hair


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 11:31:47 ET
Posted by: Donald Rumsfeld-Fagen, Multichannel SC?

SS: Have you listened? Is it in fact a real, DF-sanctioned multichannel mix?

If it's legit, it looks like it's a DTS Master Audio mix, which leads me to believe that it was/is intended to be released as a Blu-ray Audio, which uses DTS-MA. (Legit being a relative term: If it's authentic, it's leaked and stolen.)

How did you get the files playing? Did you need to burn to Blu-ray to get the DTS-MA tracks decoded properly?


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 10:42:11 ET
Posted by: Doh, !

That's STEAK N Shake


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 10:40:05 ET
Posted by: In Sight, It Must Be Right

Have to believe Don will stop at the Shake N Shake downstairs from Dave's digs. Only one in the northeast.


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 09:49:40 ET
Posted by: Oh, 'bama

Gotta believe Pres. Obama listens to the Dan.
Mitt...not.
And there you have it.

2013 Steely Dan tour - featuring special opening act : Donald Fagen.

You read it right and you heard it here first!


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 09:37:06 ET
Posted by: Nigel,

Dean: Letterman tapes two shows on Thursday. One airs that night, the other one on Friday.


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 06:16:42 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Rumsfeld:

Not commercially available.

http://www.binsearch.info/?b=DF+-+SC+(DTS-MA+24-96)&g=alt.binaries.sounds.dts&p=yencpowerpost%40yencpowerpost+(yencpowerposter)&max=250


Date: Thurs, November 08, 2012, 02:28:54 ET
Posted by: Donald Rumsfeld-Fagen, SC on DTS?

Hey SS -

There's a DTS version of SC out there? Do you mean DTS or some other surround format? DVD-A? Blu-ray Audio? Something else?

Most importantly: Where can this be found? Do you have a link to buy or for more info?


Date: Wed, November 07, 2012, 22:51:27 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Hey Jive, thanks for reminding me about sonic detail(s).

For those who are motivated, there is a DTS copy of SC floating around. Meant to sound fantastic, I'm told.


Date: Wed, November 07, 2012, 22:13:01 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Now that I think about it, I might be mistaken. I think Letterman tapes two shows on Monday, not Thursday. So I'm not sure when the Friday shows are actually taped.

Sorry for the misinformation.


Date: Wed, November 07, 2012, 22:09:04 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Seb,

I'm pretty sure the show will tape on Thursday 11/15 and air Friday 11/16. Letterman tapes both Thursday and Friday shows on Thursday, if I recall correctly.


Date: Wed, November 07, 2012, 21:55:39 ET
Posted by: Seb, NYNYNYC

Looks like the Letterman appearance will be November 16th:

http://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/releases/view?id=33524

Who's going to try and go?


Date: Wed, November 07, 2012, 19:24:14 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

So we stop into Pei Wei Asian Diner to pick up some take-out lunch this afternoon. Never been there, but it's owned by PF Chang, so thought it might be decent.

Given my 3 week (and counting) obsession with SC, the "Dan Dan Noodles" caught my eye. As we're waiting, soft music is playing in the background. Then we hear a familiar bass line, and lo and behold, at Pei Wei, Slinky Thing is piping through the speakers. Well, well.

My PSB M4U 1 headphones arrived today. Quite possibly the finest $300 headphones on the market today. If you're not familiar with Canadian-designed PSB loudspeakers, I HIGHLY recommend you check them out if you happen to be in the market. Superb performance for the price, up and down the product line.

And today, a brand new perspective on SC, with the volume pumped up through the headphones. So many layers, so many sub-plots, so meticulously crafted and engineered, such masterful attention to EVERY single detail. Naturally, it's what we've come to expect, but it never ceases to astonish.

If I were to point out anything that shines, possibly over and above even other Fagen/SD work, it has to be the vocal harmonies. So I'm loving every second of every composition.


Date: Wed, November 07, 2012, 17:55:23 ET
Posted by: Karma,

That right-wing hooey sure stunk up the joint
He's gone - he walks through the old routines
But he's gone - guaranteed

"Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 15:39:39 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

Planet O'Bummer?
Nah, let's not get on thin ice here.
Things will take care of themselves on Tuesday."

Wrong again. It must be so lonely being the only hooey in San Fran!


Date: Wed, November 07, 2012, 16:42:14 ET
Posted by: BMR Automotive, Nottingham UK

Hi all I have been a big fan of Steely Dan and Donald and Walter for more years than I care to mention and because of problems beyond my control I missed the last UK tour. Does anyone know if there are any plans to do another UK tour in the future as I would want to be at the front of the que this time.
If Don and Walter read this site all I can say is that in my oppinion they are the best musicians to ever put pen to paper.
Please come back to the UK.
Brian.


Date: Wed, November 07, 2012, 10:49:22 ET
Posted by: Pretzels of Altamira, Caves of Logic

I remember in 1981 being in NY after having not lived in the area for about 4 years, the sticker shock of pretzles (sic) being $1.50. That's a 10X increase from PL.

I have a customer in Brooklyn who is next door to the depot that supplies hot dogs to street vendors. You would never buy another vendor hot dog after seeing the conditions there.


Date: Wed, November 07, 2012, 04:14:02 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Steve in Scotland. Thanks for the heads up re Mastermind i will watch with interest. Funnily enough the Dan were the specialised subject of a Mastermind contestant a few years ago so i wondered if it was a repeat, but i suppose it can't be ! The guy that was on previously answered 14 out of 17 questions correctly. I managed to answer 16 out of 17 and the only question I got wrong was what was the price of pretzels as featured on the cover of Pretzel Logic, which I guessed incorrectly ! Am I a genius ? Definitely not, but maybe a Dan nerd !!


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 23:34:51 ET
Posted by: SharkDeVille, loungin' in the lobby

that would be KILLER, Jives.


I'm completely thrilled to hear ANY song off the new album, that's how much I like it. If I had to pick one though, it would probably be INTSWY which I think we have a very good chance of hearing.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 22:02:19 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

I know it wont happen,of course,but id LOVE The Don to go on Letterman and:

Sit behind a grand piano and sing Maxine,solo.

Thereafter a band join him to play Slinky Thing.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 20:09:44 ET
Posted by: Greg M, white plains

If Will Lee on bass? Why not walk between the Raindrops? ;)


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 18:50:05 ET
Posted by: Ben, Indy

Another DF on LSw/DL option (which may have already been mentioned) is Donald playing with the CBS Orchestra throughout the show and then taking center stage for a song. I can't recall specifics, but from time to time some big names have joined Paul and Co. to do this.

Sidenote: On bass w/ Paul is Will Lee, and along w/ Jimmy Vivino and others, form a cool tribute band...

http://www.thefabfaux.com/




Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 18:16:18 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

I'm not a fan of absolutes, or pretending an opinion is fact--but when it comes to the Fagen performance on Letterman the closest I can think of to certainty is, there will be no lip-syncing. Seriously, does anyone think there is even a chance Don lip-syncs a song? Come on.

And while I don't expect Don to be on SNL (hell I'm not sure Don would WANT to be on SNL), I wouldn't discount it simply because SD wasn't on SNL in 2000. That something won't happen now because something similar didn't in the past is logical fallacy--and it ignores changing situations...among other things. Again though, just for clarity, I doubt Don goes on SNL or does many of these promotional performances.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 11:22:02 ET
Posted by: Eddie Brill, NYC

Brain Strainer,

Don't strain too much, Michaels and Klein wouldn't even put them on SNL late in the 2000 season (with the TvN push) or 2001 (after the Grammy sweep), so there's no way he's going back on now. Just about the only boomer-era act that aren't FOL (Friends of Lorne) that get on SNL these days is probably Neil Young, who did go on late in the 2000 season.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 11:14:45 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Just wanted to add in several factors RE: Letterman Appearance:

1. Most anytime celebrities go on talk shows it is to PEDDLE some CURRENT product (i.e. book, movie, exercise video, designer perfume etc.). For DF, SC is that current product. If there is no current product to push, mostly the only other time a celebrity's name comes up on talk shows is usually for their eulogy, or a quick mention of their passing.

2. Regarding the current product, INTSWY, Ghetto, and Weather would be the songs of choice. I mean, it even says so on the sticker placed on the SC CD!

3. Among those songs, WEATHER would be the choice, as it has better mass appeal, it is the most "steely", it is fairly simple and would not require a 10 or 12 piece band and backup singers. Ghetto would might require some Klezmer band--a yarmulke-hatted (Hat too Flat) or fedora-hatted, black coated, black-vested, scrufty-bearded backup band going on national TV, although it could be done as a goof.

4. If DF lip-syncs, disregard #3, but keeping WEATHER as the song of choice.

5. DF will probably NOT get two songs, and it is possible he might not even be interviewed at length. They might just tack him on at the end, where Letterman holds up the CD, introduces it and DF will start playing and they wiil fade him out for the end of the show.

6. Ideally, DF should go on Saturday Night Live, where he WOULD get two songs, but they would STILL be chosen from that CD sticker--Weather, INSTWY or Ghetto. Ghetto as a goof would be perfect (the backup Klezmer band in full attire) for SNL. The audience would be roaring ROFL.

7. I hope I am wrong about #4 and #5, but I think #6 would be THE shit....






Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 11:10:34 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Eddie Brill,

You might have a legit point, if anyone here suggested they EXPECT Don to play more than one song on Letterman. I think there was discussion of that possibility, not probability. I agree it isn't likely, but I also wouldn't say it was impossible.

As for Don and/or Walt coming to the desk before or after the performance: I think that is unlikely for many reasons, not the least of which is the unpredictability of the guys as interviewees. While they aren't as difficult as they were back in the day, they aren't the easiest interview subjects to get to open up, unless the interviewer is very very good.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 11:00:17 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

HEADS UP FOR UK BLUEBOOKERS!

On 'Mastermind' the long-running BBC1 TV quiz show, this coming Friday night (9th Nov) the specialist subject for one of the contestants is none other than, you guessed it......STEELY DAN!!

I think it's 2 or 2 and 1/2 minutes, a good specialist subject score is around 12-15.

Anyone fancy taking part and posting what they scored?

(be honest now!)


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 10:41:32 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



Donald Fagen will play one song at the end of the show. It will be Weather in My Head.




Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 10:41:08 ET
Posted by: DosPassosFour, DC-VA

Just returned to dandomland after several years. Happy its still around and lively. Whatever happened to the 'yellow book'??

Just became aware of the new DF album, as well. I like INTSWY, it sounds like an update of Kulee Baba.. (not quite as good, but still...).


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 10:40:07 ET
Posted by: Eddie Brill, NYC

This board gets a little too cute, sometimes, and overestimate the popularity of Don or Steely Dan even. Frankly, I'm borderline-surprised he's going on the Letterman show at all. Classic guy, familiar with people in the band, contemporaries in a way with Letterman ... but it's 2012.

I remember folks at the Yellow that were aghast that Don and Walt weren't called over to the chairs to chat up Letterman when they played in 2000, and that was on a Friday night bury show that Letterman records on Thursday to get the hell back up to Connecticut.

There isn't any band or band leader in the world that I would prefer to see more than Don or SD at this point, but this pecking order is screwed up. Paul McCartney can play two. The Stones, probably. Springsteen, definitely. Paul Simon, maybe.

Donald Fagen, of a solo album that will probably be out of the top 200 by then? The guy should have his own show, but he's not going to play two songs.

It's time to settle down, and not ruin what will be a very cool thing with misplaced expectations.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 09:56:38 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Promo, as I said I doubt Don will play something from an older album, but as you note he's done it before. And yes, if he were to play something off, say Nighfly, it would most likely be if he played multiple songs. Even then he probably sticks with the new one. "Probably" being the key word here.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 09:42:55 ET
Posted by: vic,

Dean: That's absurd. He's going to play something from SC.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 09:40:55 ET
Posted by: Promo, Stuff

Dean wrote

"But has anyone considered Don might play something from another album?"

Since he only deals with the media (interviews, TV) to promote a tour or album, no I didn't consider something not on SC. Perhaps if he does two songs, he might play a well known oldie (the way they did Peg on the Today show.) But the purpose of the appearance is obviously to promote SC so he has to play something from it.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 08:44:43 ET
Posted by: moray eel, letter

It will either be INTSWY or Weather In My Head. INTSWY is the only track that has been promoted from the album. Weather In My Head is also possible because DF think blues based tunes go over well live.

m.e.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 08:29:37 ET
Posted by: PETE EVANS, MANCHESTER UK

Interesting that in the UK Im Not The Same is now receiving heavy airplay on the nation's biggest radio station Radio 2 approximately 4 weeks after I e mailed them to complain at the lousy state of their playlist ! It is on the A list at the moment. Should i congratulate myself ? Sadly, however, I don't think it will have any effect on sales as Sunken Condos has sunken without trace in the UK and appears to be heading the same way in the US. Still, a top twenty and thirty placing is pretty impressive !


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 07:37:38 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Letterman: "Ok kids, fasten your seat belts because have we got a treat for you. Donald Fagen, one-half of the seminal group Steely Dan..."

Paul: "One of my favorites."

Letterman: "...Mine as well. One-half of Steely Dan, has just recently released his new solo album, titled Sunken Condos and it's a real beaut. Do check it out. Please give a warm welcome ...to DONALD FAGEN!"

*crowd cheers*

Starts playing Kings.


Date: Tues, November 06, 2012, 04:49:50 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Wasn't it a minor blues the last time on Letterman ?

WIMH has a real electric bass part, so that's good live. So is the lengthy guitar solo for JH if he's around. And the house band can pick up the horn parts.


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 23:13:25 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

The conversation as to which song Fagen will play is interesting. But has anyone considered Don might play something from another album? I doubt this will happen, but I wouldn't put it past him. He certainly didn't show any real preference toward Morph on the Morph tour, or EMG on the tour following its release.

Again, I'm not suggesting he will play something old, but remember this: Don will play what Don wants to play, not what his management tells him is the best marketing song to play. Also, keep in mind that on Kimmel, the Dukes played a song they dropped from the setlist early into the tour.


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 23:02:41 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, My wacky guess

OK, Even the fading-fast Letterman can't contain/restrain our hero to just one (1) obligatory/promo song.....so here's what DF's gonna do, according to me:

1) Ghetto

AND

2) Weather

Note that these two seem to be the most hated songs on this board - on balance - i.e... the songs that SOME of the self appointed cognescenti <snicker> seem to feel are unworthy of a DF release.

In other words, two songs that might actually have some mass appeal...circa 2012.

It's just a prediction, don'tcha know.

Don't take it seriously.

I wouldn't.

Of course, I don't know any more than the rest of you do.

It's just a guess.


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 20:59:36 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

You know Jan, it really would be great to see them come out with Jay Leonhart on string bass and Michael on vibes doing Slinky Thing.

But I think Chris is probably right.


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 19:14:20 ET
Posted by: Steely Jan, Utah

It should be Slinky Thing.


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 16:40:11 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

It's gonna be Weather In My Head, I'll betcha.


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 16:16:40 ET
Posted by: Wild, Guess

Really can't see Don doing a bowling song on Letterman. Out of the Ghetto.


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 11:03:22 ET
Posted by: Hutch, almost forgot

Jon Herington and Walter Becker on guitars. ;)


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 10:28:25 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

greg m - A little research shows that Keith C. will be at The Bitter End on the 12th with Oz Noy and his next gig is in New Jersey after the 15th. So he will probably be there. Catherine Russell will be performing out of town. Jim Beard doesn't show anything on his site booked so I'd expect to see him. They're going to have to have two keyboards. The bassist could be anybody. Maybe even Jay Leonhart.
Probably Cindy and Carolyn on backup vocals.
It'd be ultra cool if they did one of the tunes featuring Michael on vibes.


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 09:30:31 ET
Posted by: greg m, Ny

Another question: who's in the band now? I'm hoping for some nice surprises on that front.


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 09:27:04 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

So the question of the day is.... what song will DF do on Letterman on the 15th?
My guess is Miss Marlene. Straight forward kind of song that wouldn't require bringing in a harmonica player or a string bass.


Date: Mon, November 05, 2012, 00:40:41 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Re: auto tune

Any chance that was used on the chorus of The New Breed ? I don't know much about how it's used and what it might sound like, but that part of that song sounds particularly sweet.


Date: Sun, November 04, 2012, 20:42:00 ET
Posted by: Nix, Q

Recent tweet from NJ Governor Chris Christie.

OMG OMG OMG OMG. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN RETWEETED ME. Are you kids still saying "I jizzed in my pants"? Because I think I just did.


President in 2016?


Date: Sun, November 04, 2012, 20:24:32 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Sunken Condos hangin' on with the lithe autotune crowd at #61 on the Billboard.

More light more light more light!


RELEASE WEATHER IN MY HEAD AS a SINGLE NOW


Date: Sun, November 04, 2012, 20:22:24 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, the deep past

the dark past, The Jurassic period of SD


Clown: The Earth is a very old place inhabited by millions of species that either died out or evolved into something else.





Some of them we put in our gas tanks.


Date: Sun, November 04, 2012, 19:39:37 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

@ Michael,

Decent post at 13.45.

Good stuff.


Date: Sun, November 04, 2012, 13:45:45 ET
Posted by: Michael, @fagenism

I respect your views and I hope there's no animosity between us over this. Thanks for your thoughtful insight. You're right in that (my) religion requires faith in what cannot be seen or observed, but that's why it's called 'faith'. As for evolution, it's supposed to be a scientific explanation, i.e. observable and testable, yet I've never witnessed evolution in action and therefore hold my ground.

As someone else said, let's not turn the Bluebook into a religious debate.

But maybe there's still a way to make this into a SD-relatable topic of discussion. I don't think there's any questioning the fact that SD's sound has evolved over time, as is evident in their recent recordings, plus the solo efforts where you readily hear what each member contributes to the patented 'SD sound'.

To be fair, some people do prefer the more bare-bones rock and soul sound of early 70's SD, although one can never downplay its complexity. A song like Your Gold Teeth or Dr Wu is easily comporable to their latter day stuff.

One thing I noticed is that despite the variety of sounds and song structures utilized in Sunken Condos, most songs tend to be more "spacious," that is have less intricacy, at least on the surface. But they do indeed have added depth to them -- a sort of refined simplicity is at work. Most of these tunes' primary strength doesn't lie in melodic strength or harmonic embellishments but rather the 'total function', i.e. everything working in tandem. I don't have false expectations that everything come across as sounding like an instant classic (e.g. Miss Marlene); I'm content with those other miniature expressions as well. Therefore, so long as Donald delivers both, I'm content.

The meticulous ear for sonic detail may as well be an art in and of itself, one which Donald clearly has a firm grasp of. Not only that, he has a personal touch like nobody else ...a unique trait in this day and age of cookie-cutter, assembly line artists.

That's my two cents.


Date: Sun, November 04, 2012, 11:25:17 ET
Posted by: Burnt Out Hippie Clown,

Dr Mu- what the fuck are you talking about?


Date: Sun, November 04, 2012, 10:56:57 ET
Posted by: erratum,

Who = How


Date: Sun, November 04, 2012, 10:33:13 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

M: If there's ONE thing we know from the "transcripts" or fossil records is that species on Earth have never been static, either the genome (genes) or their phenotype (morphology & physiology) change due to genetic drift (we have genetic fingerprint evidence in humans and animals) or response/selection to stress as MU-tation frequency increases and MU-tation type changes.




Can it be this sad design
Could be the very same
A wooly man without a face
And a beast without a name

Before the fall when they wrote it on the wall
When there wasn't even any Hollywood
They heard the call
And they wrote it on the wall
For you and me we understood




Planet D'Rhonda - very clever.


Raise up your glass to good king John

...I always dug how they flipped history. How was really the good guy? Richard or John? Were there any?




Date: Sun, November 04, 2012, 09:45:25 ET
Posted by: Weird, Al

re: Planet D'Romney. That twenty four-seven just screams to be made into forty seven somehow.

Yes it's Fiction Time - twenty-four-seven


Any ideas what else could go there?



Date: Sun, November 04, 2012, 07:02:47 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

Michael:

I did not mean to attack you. I just thought it was funny that there were some lyrics mentioning Michael and Jesus in the same line, which felt relevant to the discussion in here. It was meant as a friendly stab.

Having said that, your remark "Second, yes, belief in God requires faith, but guess what? So does evolution and the big bang" shows ignorance about the scientific method. In science you believe things that are supported by observation.

To take perhaps the most classic clash between scientists and the Catholic church - that of the Earth's relationship to the sun, the "who's circling whom?" of the sky if you will - it became increasingly clear the more we bothered to actually look that the church was wrong. If you dared listening to the heretic astronomers instead (well, those who were not burnt alive by the church, that is) it seemed equally clear these guys knew what they were talking about. They could successfully predict where the planets would be in a couple of months, which eventually forced the church to back off from its egocentric, superstitious "we at the center" model.

Getting back to your remark; people with the courage to look how the world actually is (faith in observation and reason) have an advantage over people who believe the world must conform to some arbitrary book from the past (blind faith).


Date: Sat, November 03, 2012, 18:58:18 ET
Posted by: the Bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia

Hey selfish G, Bullgoose here.Your Bodhi Java coffee kit sounds like a real hoot. Me? I wake up feeling like I'm on the set of The Three Amigos: there's always this pigeon in the bush calling, 'El Guapo!', 'El Guapo!' El Guapo!' 'El Guapo!' (not sure if guapos have double Ps) Then there's an unidentified bird that whistles the theme from Star Wars. But perhaps the local champ is a bird that whistles the first three notes of (appropriately) Birdland, but with the rhythm of Jaco's introduction to the descending section of A Remark You Made. But then, as Sam Harris has said, humans are very good at detecting patterns and attaching (sometimes quite erroneously) significance to them. My screen saver has a photo of Mt Cook (NZ) and I've detected two faces in the rocks, one a character from Charles Dickens, the other a dead spit for a man who sold me a chainsaw once. Why won't they leave me alone? Was it Wexforde Brandish who said, 'Mumbo Jumbo is easy, science is hard, and humans tend to be lazy'? Or is it just the coffee talking?
Donald has a favourite figure which sometimes turns up in his horn parts. It goes, 'dit dee dah', the same rhythm as second half of the motif from March from 'Love of Three Oranges' by Prokofiev. It also reminds me of something to do with Bob Hope for some reason. So far I've heard no avian rendition (distinct from Alien Rendition, a Bush The Younger standard I'm led to believe) but it's only a matter of time here in the Aussie bush.

Can't warm to the chorus of Memorabilia. Then again, The Rite of Spring was a flop at its premiere. What do I know?


Date: Sat, November 03, 2012, 11:50:28 ET
Posted by: moray eel, troll

Interesting comments about DF not using proper English - like Midnight Cruiser or Daddy Doesn't Live In That New York City No More.

Or Zappa and his politics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOz7aSJO2qo

m.e.


Date: Sat, November 03, 2012, 10:44:23 ET
Posted by: Selfish G, Yyy

Michael/Joey,

I brought up the Dawkins book because the commentary on pop music stands by itself without taking into account the book's larger context. You're the one with the knee jerk response bringing up atheism.

On a more humorous note, ever notice how the noise a coffee maker makes when it's done brewing sounds like the end of Bodhisattva?


Date: Sat, November 03, 2012, 09:35:11 ET
Posted by: Michael,

So now addressing what someone else says to me about a subject brought up indirectly by an altogether different poster is considered trolling? Yes, how dare I respond. I'd much prefer to discuss Steely Dan and music-related topics, not evolution.


Date: Sat, November 03, 2012, 09:24:59 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

Oh Michael, oh Jesus
You know I'm not to blame
You know my reputation for playing a good clean game
Oh Michael, oh Jesus
I'll keep my promise when
You troll that BlueBook over again


Date: Sat, November 03, 2012, 09:11:49 ET
Posted by: Michael, @the bullgoose

"Michael, 'nobody is going to witness it (evolution) in action'. Every time you need to change antibiotics because the bugs have grown resistant to the drugs you are witnessing evolution in action. And while I'm freakin' people out, it looks very much like the mitochondria in our cells, the things that power us, started as a bug colony. Makes The Outer Limits look like Sesame Street."

An insect or parasite building up immunity is nowhere near the same thing as something changing into an all new creature or species. As for the mitochondria supposedly starting out as a bug colony, sorry, that just went over my head.

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Date: Sat, November 03, 2012, 01:18:07 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

Music should be beyond and above the dirty trenches of politics.
The one guy who pulled that off in a funny, entertaining way was Frank Zappa.
For me, it works best to get away from serious politicial statements made by artists from either side.
Like I need The Dixie chicks or Ted Nugent to help me vote.
Donald mentioning Al Gore was an ok fit for that song - it rhymes.
But I rather don't have Al in the back of my head when enjoying music. Or Dan Quayle for that matter.
Don did pen a song in honor of Ray Charles, who was a life long Republican, so he doesn't seem too worried about it either.


Date: Sat, November 03, 2012, 00:44:34 ET
Posted by: J, @hys

Earl, I think the Dakine theory may be a stretch, but love the literal bowling angle, so to speak!


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 23:16:22 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia

Hey The Dean. It could be that we're right, but it could be that Don lost a bet.Now here's a question I haven't heard anyone ask Donald, 'What's the lamest line you've written?' Personally, I think the 'heaven on earth' one would be the only contender.

'Agents of the law, luckless pedestrians.' It's positively Shakespearean.
'Is there gas in the car? Yes there's gas in the car!' Pure cinema.

And isn't it sweet that Mr Hoops gets a nod via Miss Marlene's jewellery. Virtue rewarded, sir.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 22:56:28 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia

Thanks, Funkyholic72. You have reassured me somewhat.
Anyone located a bona fide lyric collection for the condos?
I stumbled upon one version of Miss Marlene lyrics that went something like, 'backing James bond me zen was qui'. I gave up. Not sure if it's my ears or Don's store bought teeth, but I'm still missing a few words.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 22:00:44 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Well said hoops.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 19:52:36 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

(Yes, the following is intentionally in CAPS.)

COMMENTS ON THE BLUE ON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?

THEY WILL BE REMOVED UNLESS I THINK THEY ARE REALLY FUNNY OR CLEVER! Planet D'Romney is the only one that's been clever in my book so far.

SO FAR I'VE REMOVED FOUR PRO-OBAMA, ONE THAT I CAN'T TELL AND ZERO PRO-ROMNEY, ALTHOUGH THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT I COULDN'T TELL.

I'm the sole arbiter.

Have a good one.

Jim


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 15:39:39 ET
Posted by: Lutz, SF

Planet O'Bummer?
Nah, let's not get on thin ice here.
Things will take care of themselves on Tuesday.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 12:40:32 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

This weeks' position of "Sunken Condos" in the Billboard 200 album chart is 61 (last week was 12). In the Tastemaker chart it is on 12 (last week was 3) and in the Rock Chart he is at 19 now (last week 3).


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 12:12:25 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, as always, really on the quick

Regarding Dean and Bullgoose--"heaven on earth" -- yes, so lovestruck...cliche but that's it, that's why it might feel dumb to some. And although this album isn't autobiographical, consider Donald is generally between agnostic and atheistic.

Planet D'Romney is a homerun with bases loaded--that's why it got to stay up on the Blue, although I previously yanked some other non-Dangential, pro-Obama posts. But FF: You need to develop that more than just switching a word. Strike one.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 11:58:05 ET
Posted by: Earl, DE

I should have also included this possible item in my last post, but forgot.

The "straight or hammered" line from Miss Marlene has some other connotations.

First off, "she could roll like a pro rolls" conjures up throwing "the big hook." A ball that has high RPMs and has some advantages to someone who throws a straighter ball, mostly that the spin that the ball imparts onto the pins can make them react violently upon impact, increasing the chances for strikes because of deflections etc.

Hammer Bowling is an equipment manufacturer. They are a well known producer of high performance bowling balls, especially balls that produce a high amount of hook.

The double entendre of "Straight or Hammered" could imply both her intoxication level, or it could also indicate she is equally adept at throwing different types of shots for strikes. Lane conditions can affect whether a particular line is effective or not. She could do it all, whether throwing the big hook, or going straight at them.

"When the stakes were sky high" she would rely on her favorite shot, where it would "ride the inside line."

A connect-the-dots that goes through my head whenever I listen to this song...


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 11:47:19 ET
Posted by: Earl, DE

Here's a possible theory on the name Louis Dakine in "Memorabilia" - Louis Slotin and Harry Daghlian, Jr. were the two scientists killed while doing criticality experiments with the Dragon Core, a plutonium sphere. Both allowed the sphere to go critical, and irradiated themselves with neutrons, leading to their deaths.

The name Dakine is a part of Steely Dan history on 2vN, but maybe the name was close enough to Daghlian's name (and had the requisite syllabic requirements) to stick.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 11:25:17 ET
Posted by: V. Barbarino, gimme drugs, gimme drugs

Deen is an unending pain in the ass.

But the boy knows his drugs.

The Pharmacist of the Blue.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 10:29:18 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Love the description of deen "unending toe-stepping"; so deliciously accurate. Notice deen often seems to offer up an illuminating (he thinks) angle on a subject to show his expertise; but also notice it is only AFTER a poster developed the thread (ex: dakine). Anyone else get tired of this "unending" pain in the ass.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 10:26:09 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

@TheBullgoose and The Dean:

I think the "heaven on earth" line might be connected with the "reptile cage" and "more light" references. I remember someone here earlier mentioned something about reptiles being mythical creatures connected with eternal life (possibly getting their powers from the sun?).

So the chick is the protagonists' sun and powersupply, and as long as the protagonist can be with her, he will have eternal life ("heaven on earth").

Seen in that light these "heaven on earth" lines don't seem that generic anymore: the aging protagonist is like an older reptile, completely (and desperately!) dependend on the young girl as a source of energy, to extend his life here on earth!


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 10:10:01 ET
Posted by: 7-10, Maker

As a bowler, I'm used to mainstream sports media's condescension toward it. Obvious that Don has a tongue and cheek jab at its "kitchiness" with MM. But I know word of it is spreading online in the bowling community and those who aren't familiar with DF of SD take to the song quickly.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 09:35:55 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Good stuff as always, Bullgoose. You asked this:

Don's line, ' I know heaven is here on earth' puzzles me. It is so trite and cliched. Is it there to emphasise that the guy is completely lovestruck? That he's a schmuck? That he's heading for a fall?

the guy is completely lovestruck? Yes

That he's a schmuck? Seems to be the case

That he's heading for a fall? That's my presumption.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 08:15:23 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia


Bullgoose here
Bad news, Jeepsters: the horse has bolted. I have a Jeep for the wilds of Oz. When fixing a flat I noticed on the inside of a wheel that it said made in China.
Dan Belden, as a musician I maintain that crash cymbals can never be too far back in the mix.
It's a sanity and ear protection thing.
SS: Yeah, let's not talk religion; science is much more interesting.
re: bass line Miss Marlene, yep I think it is a synth bass loop, relentless, even and repeated. But what a bass line: more forward motion than a Veyron.
I must say that Don's line, ' I know heaven is here on earth' puzzles me. It is so trite and cliched. Is it there to emphasise that the guy is completely lovestruck? That he's a schmuck? That he's heading for a fall? Puzzling.
Michael, 'nobody is going to witness it (evolution) in action'. Every time you need to change antibiotics because the bugs have grown resistant to the drugs you are witnessing evolution in action. And while I'm freakin' people out, it looks very much like the mitochondria in our cells, the things that power us, started as a bug colony. Makes The Outer Limits look like Sesame Street.

Miss Marlene still my favourite, Mr Dawkins still a very courageous man in my opinion.


Date: Fri, November 02, 2012, 08:05:33 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Funny, I was in a band in the early eighties and we decided to call ourselves "The Kind". Just something we picked out of the air. Then a friend of mine who had lived in California told it meant really good weed. We didn't know, but we liked the name.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 22:47:12 ET
Posted by: Louis Dakine, With Apologies...

...for the double post, and to The Dean for the unintended toe-stepping - looks like I was looking up the same info at the same time.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 22:42:29 ET
Posted by: Louis Dakine, Back Room

'Da kine' is also a term meaning 'widget' (among other definitions) in Hawaiian Pidgin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_kine

It's also a colloquialism for marijuana.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 22:41:59 ET
Posted by: Louis Dakine, Back Room

'Da kine' is also a term meaning 'widget' (among other definitions) in Hawaiian Pidgin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_kine

It's also a colloquialism for marijuana.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 22:37:23 ET
Posted by: Planet D'Romney,

He's getting frantic now
His lies have cinched his noose
He now claims Chrysler's Jeeps
Will be Chinese produced

I like it!

There are a few other minor things I would change, but oh well. I did it on a whim and should have taken some time, but it was fun.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 22:36:45 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

irritable,

Dakine is an Hawaiian word that can mean just about anything. While my early experience with it is drug-related (surprise!) it can be used in any number of situations. I recall a restaurant in Southern California, run by Hawaiians, that had a breakfast special that was described as "dakine".

Here is Wikipedia's take:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_kine


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 20:47:50 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Planet D'Romney

You're right, it DOES mess with the rhyme. But that never stops DF, he just sings around it. We can attempt to outdo DF.

Here is what you have:

"He's getting frantic now
He sees the end is near
He now claims Chrysler cars
Will be Chinese engineered"

How about this?

"He's getting frantic now
His lies have cooked his GOOSE or
His lies have cinched his NOOSE

He now claims Chrysler's Jeeps
Will be Chinese produced"

Syllables line up fairly well, fairly strong rhyme AND technically correct, just as our boy DF would have it.

Cool?






Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 19:55:30 ET
Posted by: irritable,

You're 100% right The Dean - how the hell did I misread "you" for "we"? That single word makes all the difference.
BTW - DaKine (a name first co-opted in Shame About Me) is an outdoor apparel company founded in Maui in 1979.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 19:53:08 ET
Posted by: Planet D'Romney,

Actually, it would effect the rhyme (near/engineer), which is why I used it instead of one that meant to produce. I figured it was close enough, and it's not like I'm campaigning for President or anything... :-)

But thanks!


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 19:44:04 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

@Planet d'Romney: Absolutely brilliant, Donald should read this!


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 19:17:49 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Planet D'Romney

Alright, now I've got it. The confusion was using "engineeered" instead of "produced", which is what Romney really said and apparently continues to say, even though the bulk of Chrysler's Jeep production will be US-based, which is what I thought. Romney did not want US bailout money supporting Chinese production of the Jeep and movement of jobs--which makes sense.

I would change "engineered" to "produced", it won't affect the rhyme.

But even if you don't it is STILL fuggin' awesome!

My brother-in-law says he is working on one of these for The New Breed, we'll have to see how that one comes out.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 18:14:12 ET
Posted by: Here's a link,

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/chrysler-ceo-calls-out-romney-over-inaccurate-jeep-ads-1C6764547


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 18:02:49 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

Romney/Ryan did release an ad saying something to the effect that GM or Chrysler cars will now be built in China. It was pretty widely lambasted by the fact checkers, IIRC.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 17:53:10 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Planet D'Romney

Excellent job, overall. But you lost me there for a bit with

"He now claims Chrysler cars
Will be Chinese engineered"

Number One, Italian-based Fiat virtually controls Chrysler which is a Private Equity operation (not publicly held). A Romney administration would have little if anything to do with the fortunes of that company.

Number Two, the Chinese are largely manufacturers who produce things that are engineered elsewhere and whom the US owes lots of money to. However, they might improve in automotive engineering. If so, so what? Hyundais are American cars engineered in Korea.

Was this a direct Romney quote? It is hard to tell here who is off base here and why, either Romney or yourself.

I would recommend you either clarify these two lyrics or you fix them to have some semblance of veracity, or clarity that would still sort of rhyme.

Once that is done, I'd say you have created a masterpiece here!






Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 17:18:03 ET
Posted by: Planet D'Romney, sorry, I couldn't resist

Planet D'Romney

Born with a silver spoon, homes in many states
Straps dogs to his car stuffed in shipping crates
He claims he's all pro life, then he says he's not
I say come clean Governor, Mittens don't lie
It's never never gonna happen
On Planet D'Romney

He'll take and gut your business, if he can make a buck
Ships jobs overseas, and doesn't even give a fuck
Says half of us are takers, then he says he's wrong
He changes like the wind, whatever sounds good
Was for the auto bailout
On Planet D'Romney

His friends say, Romney's what this country needs
They just can't understand, they're watching lies on Fox TV

He's getting frantic now
He sees the end is near
He now claims Chrysler cars
Will be Chinese engineered
So when you need big lies
He never stops
Yes it's Fiction Time - twenty-four-seven
The name of the planet
Planet D'Romney

My friends say Romney's all about corp greed
They just don't understand, everyone's watching lies from Fox TV

Always deceitful when he gets the chance
You've got to be a mind reader just to guess his stance
So when you need big lies
He never stops
It's Deception Time - twenty-four-seven
The name of the planet
Planet D'Romney


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 14:41:51 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newtno

**secret desire**
to know what kind of speakers Don and Walt listen to when sitting at home.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 14:31:31 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

aja1.

Yes that is a great review IMO. The guy (Fred Kaplan) gets it.

But now I really want the vinyl.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 14:11:28 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

http://www.stereophile.com/content/donald-fagens-isunken-condosi

A brief, but positive review here on Stereophile.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 13:05:55 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

4 beans...5 beans...6 beans... ;)


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 12:58:39 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Thanks KMITB, duly noted. That said it was not an all out rip-job!
You seem to take it harder than (then) BrainStrainer! You bean
counter!


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 11:31:32 ET
Posted by: Greg M, re: Dupree

Thank you, DEAN. You speak (the) truth.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 11:02:45 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Well, I have to say that last post by Strainer was offensive, to say the least. Morgan Freeman probably speaks better English than most on the Blue, irrespective of race.

I don't think anything is out of bounds as long as there is actual humor. Unfortunately in this case there really wasn't anything funny.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 10:53:18 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

...and it is actually "parties"...just for future reference!


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 10:51:29 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

And a tip DYLYNFAN...if you are gonna rip someone...you best make sure you have your stuff right!!! "party's"...not possessive there holmes!!! Carry on!


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 10:42:08 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Dylan Fan of Harrisburg

My last post might have had a touch of humour,

But as Morgan Freeman might say--We be heeyah not so much be fo' da humour so be as to Edjamacate.....


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 09:42:30 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

BrainStrainer is the embodiment of the classic know it all,
I can only imagine this cat at party's or any other social
gathering, there would be more eye rolling than at a rave!!(awful
example, drew a blank)That said I find it humorous on so many levels.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 09:27:18 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Irritable,

We used to play together "when WE we three"--not when "you were three"

This is fairly explicitly NOT a younger girl/older guy scenario. These are two contemporary cousins who saw a lot of each other when they were young children. Then when they reconnect later in life (when Dupree crashes on his aunt's couch) he notices how his "little cousin" has grown. And by "little" it could mean physically (petite) or younger by some months--maybe a year? I can tell you from personal experience, "little cousin" could mean a week or two younger.

Don and Walt write a lot of older guy/younger girl songs, but this isn't one of them. This is a sleazy guy story. They go out of their way to take the age element out of the equation with "when WE were three". In the scenario in this song I am convinced age is not the issue.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 09:25:58 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

@Brian

I guess that is what i was getting at. The language is a reflection of who he is with. She is much younger...talks different...and he says it that way as to be cool...down to her level. That's how I think it is anyway...


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 09:05:58 ET
Posted by: Bert Parks, What was Atlantic City

Do you know why they canceled the Miss Ebonics pageant?

They couldn't find anyone to be Miss Idaho.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 07:30:30 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Whether or not the language in DF's lyrics is correct depends on your perspective. To a white person from the general area of the mid-western US (not inner cities) on which American English pronunciation is based, which is what broadcasters are taught it might seem incorrect.

The language style DF is trying to use lyrically is based on "Ebonics" (Ebony-Phonics), which is considered to be a legitimate dialect of American English. Do a web search initially on EBONICS, then follow the other terms further if you are interested. And it is indeed interesting.

Ebonics is and has been deliberately used in many movies, sitcoms etc. to provide realism over the past 40 years, and a good deal of it has been subsequently incorporated into mainstream language and culture.

I would say that the poster Hutch, being from Richmond, VA US has experienced a good deal of Ebonics for example, whereas a mid-western US person, unless from the within the hoods' of Detroit, Chicago or other cities probably has not had as much personal experience.

DF's lyrics set the stage and provide clues in situations where he wants to convey such things as a Caribbean influence (Haitian Divorce), or scenes from the ghetto etc. Therefore, EBONIC language is used to that effect.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 02:07:37 ET
Posted by: irritable, ... helping out

Bad language? there's a precedent:

She go crazy
Got to make a getaway
Papa say (blah, blah)

and

She feels alright, she get it on tonight
Mister driver
Take me where the music play

(we could reasonably assume that Barbara is not necessarily inarticulate)


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 18:14:12 ET
Posted by: Here's a link,

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/chrysler-ceo-calls-out-romney-over-inaccurate-jeep-ads-1C6764547


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 18:02:49 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

Romney/Ryan did release an ad saying something to the effect that GM or Chrysler cars will now be built in China. It was pretty widely lambasted by the fact checkers, IIRC.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 17:53:10 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Planet D'Romney

Excellent job, overall. But you lost me there for a bit with

"He now claims Chrysler cars
Will be Chinese engineered"

Number One, Italian-based Fiat virtually controls Chrysler which is a Private Equity operation (not publicly held). A Romney administration would have little if anything to do with the fortunes of that company.

Number Two, the Chinese are largely manufacturers who produce things that are engineered elsewhere and whom the US owes lots of money to. However, they might improve in automotive engineering. If so, so what? Hyundais are American cars engineered in Korea.

Was this a direct Romney quote? It is hard to tell here who is off base here and why, either Romney or yourself.

I would recommend you either clarify these two lyrics or you fix them to have some semblance of veracity, or clarity that would still sort of rhyme.

Once that is done, I'd say you have created a masterpiece here!






Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 17:18:03 ET
Posted by: Planet D'Romney, sorry, I couldn't resist

Planet D'Romney

Born with a silver spoon, homes in many states
Straps dogs to his car stuffed in shipping crates
He claims he's all pro life, then he says he's not
I say come clean Governor, Mittens don't lie
It's never never gonna happen
On Planet D'Romney

He'll take and gut your business, if he can make a buck
Ships jobs overseas, and doesn't even give a fuck
Says half of us are takers, then he says he's wrong
He changes like the wind, whatever sounds good
Was for the auto bailout
On Planet D'Romney

His friends say, Romney's what this country needs
They just can't understand, they're watching lies on Fox TV

He's getting frantic now
He sees the end is near
He now claims Chrysler cars
Will be Chinese engineered
So when you need big lies
He never stops
Yes it's Fiction Time - twenty-four-seven
The name of the planet
Planet D'Romney

My friends say Romney's all about corp greed
They just don't understand, everyone's watching lies from Fox TV

Always deceitful when he gets the chance
You've got to be a mind reader just to guess his stance
So when you need big lies
He never stops
It's Deception Time - twenty-four-seven
The name of the planet
Planet D'Romney


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 14:41:51 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newtno

**secret desire**
to know what kind of speakers Don and Walt listen to when sitting at home.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 14:31:31 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

aja1.

Yes that is a great review IMO. The guy (Fred Kaplan) gets it.

But now I really want the vinyl.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 14:11:28 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

http://www.stereophile.com/content/donald-fagens-isunken-condosi

A brief, but positive review here on Stereophile.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 13:05:55 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

4 beans...5 beans...6 beans... ;)


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 12:58:39 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Thanks KMITB, duly noted. That said it was not an all out rip-job!
You seem to take it harder than (then) BrainStrainer! You bean
counter!


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 11:31:32 ET
Posted by: Greg M, re: Dupree

Thank you, DEAN. You speak (the) truth.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 11:02:45 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Well, I have to say that last post by Strainer was offensive, to say the least. Morgan Freeman probably speaks better English than most on the Blue, irrespective of race.

I don't think anything is out of bounds as long as there is actual humor. Unfortunately in this case there really wasn't anything funny.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 10:53:18 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

...and it is actually "parties"...just for future reference!


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 10:51:29 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

And a tip DYLYNFAN...if you are gonna rip someone...you best make sure you have your stuff right!!! "party's"...not possessive there holmes!!! Carry on!


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 10:42:08 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Dylan Fan of Harrisburg

My last post might have had a touch of humour,

But as Morgan Freeman might say--We be heeyah not so much be fo' da humour so be as to Edjamacate.....


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 09:42:30 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

BrainStrainer is the embodiment of the classic know it all,
I can only imagine this cat at party's or any other social
gathering, there would be more eye rolling than at a rave!!(awful
example, drew a blank)That said I find it humorous on so many levels.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 09:27:18 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Irritable,

We used to play together "when WE we three"--not when "you were three"

This is fairly explicitly NOT a younger girl/older guy scenario. These are two contemporary cousins who saw a lot of each other when they were young children. Then when they reconnect later in life (when Dupree crashes on his aunt's couch) he notices how his "little cousin" has grown. And by "little" it could mean physically (petite) or younger by some months--maybe a year? I can tell you from personal experience, "little cousin" could mean a week or two younger.

Don and Walt write a lot of older guy/younger girl songs, but this isn't one of them. This is a sleazy guy story. They go out of their way to take the age element out of the equation with "when WE were three". In the scenario in this song I am convinced age is not the issue.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 09:25:58 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

@Brian

I guess that is what i was getting at. The language is a reflection of who he is with. She is much younger...talks different...and he says it that way as to be cool...down to her level. That's how I think it is anyway...


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 09:05:58 ET
Posted by: Bert Parks, What was Atlantic City

Do you know why they canceled the Miss Ebonics pageant?

They couldn't find anyone to be Miss Idaho.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 07:30:30 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Whether or not the language in DF's lyrics is correct depends on your perspective. To a white person from the general area of the mid-western US (not inner cities) on which American English pronunciation is based, which is what broadcasters are taught it might seem incorrect.

The language style DF is trying to use lyrically is based on "Ebonics" (Ebony-Phonics), which is considered to be a legitimate dialect of American English. Do a web search initially on EBONICS, then follow the other terms further if you are interested. And it is indeed interesting.

Ebonics is and has been deliberately used in many movies, sitcoms etc. to provide realism over the past 40 years, and a good deal of it has been subsequently incorporated into mainstream language and culture.

I would say that the poster Hutch, being from Richmond, VA US has experienced a good deal of Ebonics for example, whereas a mid-western US person, unless from the within the hoods' of Detroit, Chicago or other cities probably has not had as much personal experience.

DF's lyrics set the stage and provide clues in situations where he wants to convey such things as a Caribbean influence (Haitian Divorce), or scenes from the ghetto etc. Therefore, EBONIC language is used to that effect.


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 02:07:37 ET
Posted by: irritable, ... helping out

Bad language? there's a precedent:

She go crazy
Got to make a getaway
Papa say (blah, blah)

and

She feels alright, she get it on tonight
Mister driver
Take me where the music play

(we could reasonably assume that Barbara is not necessarily inarticulate)


Date: Thurs, November 01, 2012, 01:57:01 ET
Posted by: irritable, infiltrating

Dupree's surely older than Janine.

He's kicked around a lot since high school, and little J has grown, but still lives with Faye. Seems D has to remind J he played with her when she 3, so maybe D is 2 to 10 years older than her. And the general tone is that he's leering at her.

Is this not explicitly an older guy, younger girl scenario?


Date: Wed, October 31, 2012, 21:48:13 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

KMITB - The slang and pronunciations, as we've mentioned before, are really interesting. Another example is also on Slinky Thing where he's singing "Ah'm gonna do my best" versus "I'm gonna do my best". Also "today we were strollin' by da reptile cage". The She smile, she laugh, she stay part seems to fall in with it somehow. Since he needs more light there's that reptile reference to consider.


Date: Wed, October 31, 2012, 19:22:19 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Help me out wise Bluebookers....

With the song "Slinky Thing"...the lyrics at the end are troubling...

I'm not questioning Fagen's master of the English language...but this doesn't sound right...


She Smile

She Laugh

She Stay With Me

She Go


Is this a reflection of the new generation butchering the language??? Smile, Laugh, Stay and Go should be plural! Just trying to figure it out...thanks!!!


Date: Wed, October 31, 2012, 18:11:10 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Yikes!

A strange brainflash inre: A New Breed.

Has the narrator actually run the guy over??

Deliberately?


Date: Wed, October 31, 2012, 15:57:59 ET
Posted by: moray eel, am

Not sure: Thanks for the link to that interview. I would have thought that DF was more political in his early life, but I guess not.

Q. Are you fearing November 2012?

A. Fearful, no, not really. I mean, you know, I lived through a Nixon presidency and a Reagan presidency and George Bush I and George Bush II, so I’m not fearful. I’ll tell you one thing, though: In the '60s, when I was going to school, I wasn’t very political. I figured that the kind of sexually-repressed, uptight, fundamentalist-types would die off, because they were old people. Soon they would die off, they would be gone, and the younger generation could enjoy their utopia. But as it turns out, they kept reproducing, and those same guys with those terrible haircuts are there every year, and now they’re younger than I am. I can’t figure it out.

m.e.


Date: Wed, October 31, 2012, 14:04:17 ET
Posted by: anymanleft, rio grande

So is it just me or does anyone else find it ironic(or apropos) that Donald named his latest release Sunken Condos with all the news eminating from the hurricane this week? Almost eerie...especially being the week of Halloween...


Date: Wed, October 31, 2012, 11:18:09 ET
Posted by: whats in a name, County Galway


interesting......;-)

http://www.houseofnames.com/Fagen-family-crest


Date: Wed, October 31, 2012, 03:56:11 ET
Posted by: not sure, if this one was posted

Great interview....Donald opens up...

http://www.complex.com/music/2012/10/interview-donald-fagen-talks-sunken-condos-reclaiming-ghetto-kanye-west


Date: Wed, October 31, 2012, 01:00:03 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, ocean of misery


Dr. Fagen: Release Weather in My Head as a single. Now.


That is all.


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 22:24:30 ET
Posted by: Greg m, Ny

"cousin dupree" is certainly and explicity not an older man/younger girl situation. Just had to say.


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 21:27:27 ET
Posted by: Hutch, well,,

Actually this is the video I'm meant to show. Finger hit the wrong key.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lvYzH03qb8


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 21:21:06 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Couldn't really find any video from Hawaii or Japan.. at least not yet. But I did find this outstanding performance from 2010. Everyone is in fine voice and the band is pretty hot!

Surprisingly good audio on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op-RMmWBKZQ&feature=autoplay&list=UL-lvYzH03qb8&playnext=1


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 20:52:22 ET
Posted by: Third World Fez, Minneapolis

LOL. Well said. And I mean no harm. I'm a long-time fan. Just seems like an overdone story line.


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 20:42:11 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Well...you know...

When an old cocksman slides on down he's surely allowed to lament his once proud but now fading libido...

Arguably..;.)


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 19:53:55 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Third World Fez can stay.


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 19:07:27 ET
Posted by: Burnt Out Hippie Clown,

Third World Fez: If you don't like it...LEAVE


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 19:05:48 ET
Posted by: Chickens,

I see they're changing up the set....NOT!


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 18:51:13 ET
Posted by: Ah-so, Far East

Dukes in Japan
October 29, 2012
01 intro
02 People Get Up And Drive Your Funky Soul
03 Who's That Lady
04 Sweet Soul Music
05 I Keep Fogettin'
06 Trouble Man
07 Kid Charlemagne
08 The Same Thing
09 Miss Sun
10 I Heard It Through The Grapevine
11 You Never Can Tell
12 If You Don't Know Me By Now
13 What A Fool Berieves
14 Hey Nineteen
15 Love T.K.O.
16 Piece Of My Heart
17 Peg
18 Lowdown
19 Takin' It To The Streets
20 Reel In The Years > crowd

encore:
21 Lido Shuffle
22 Pretzel Logic > band intros
23 Thank You Falettinme Be Mice Elf Again
24 Them Changes
25 People Get Up And Drive Your Funky Soul (reprise)



Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 17:14:50 ET
Posted by: Third World Fez, Minneapolis

Regarding Mr. Fagen's latest release: Again with the old man/young girl themes? Really? Let's see, "Hey Nineteen," "Janie Runaway," "Cousin Dupree," etc. Yawn.


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 08:52:42 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

UK Monitor,

Now that makes a bit more sense (other than a dude calling himself MC Steely Dan). Unfortunately, Songkick simply lists "Steely Dan" and not "MC".


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 06:17:07 ET
Posted by: Your UK, moniter

Dean - sadly 'Off ya Rocka' is a 'dance' night featuring several DJ's, with 'MC Steely Dan' as the compere. He the new breed alright.


Date: Tues, October 30, 2012, 06:02:13 ET
Posted by: Sandy, Again

Sunken Condos: what a fortuitous name.


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 20:07:44 ET
Posted by: Sandy, Slamming down hurricanes

Surf and/or Die.


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 19:21:58 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Richard,

As for that Dan concert listing, seems like bullshit to me. It isn't listed on the O2 Academy's website:

http://www.o2academybirmingham.co.uk/

On the other hand that date is open. The headliner of that supposed show (based on band order and font size) is "Off Ya Rocka".

http://www.songkick.com/concerts/14400439-off-ya-rocka-at-o2-academy-2

You think Steely Dan is on a bill with these guys?

http://vimeo.com/28297091

Here's another question, who's the bald guy in the bottom pic on this page?

http://www.songkick.com/artists/87233-steely-dan


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 19:03:41 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

Greg,

Be safe my friend.

But if you do get bored, how about working on
a mash-up of "Good Stuff"?

After "The Boss wants to party all night" loop
"Come and join the party, Dress to kill"
"Won't you come and join the party, Dress to kill"

From The Who's, "Eminence Front"

Before going back into each verse of "Good Stuff".

Been stuck in my head all weekend!

Be safe all.


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 18:52:24 ET
Posted by: Richardgpw, Detroit

Does anyone know what's up with this SD Concert listed over in the UK on Friday 22 February 2013 ????? =

Line-up
Off Ya Rocka
Brandon Block
Slipmatt
John Bond
Andy Armstrong
***Steely Dan****
Delite

Venue
O2 Academy 2190 Cowley RoadOX4 1UEOxford, UK

COULD IT BE A 'ROYAL SCAM'?


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 14:03:44 ET
Posted by: Greg M, NY

Stuck at home with the wife, kid and the SC vinyls on repeat. Does it get better?


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 13:52:42 ET
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Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 11:01:18 ET
Posted by: µ,

Mutated keystroke:

MU = NU


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 11:00:41 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


Technically, it's possible to have evolution and some kind of ID. For example, when a species is under stress, not only does the frequency of MU-tations increase, but the type of NU-tations also increase...



Yeah, the Dawkins comment about pop music is pretty outdated. We're virtually post-music, post-Top 40 world now...The powers that be still pigeon hole radio (something kids don't even listen to anymore) but they don't control youtube (yet - but they're trying) and internet radio (still yet). Folks here about a song on social media or the internet, listen to it on tinny speakers, then download it on iTunes or a pay by month MP3 download group. Heck Billboard doesn't even know HOW to count singles play/sales.



That's what makes Donald Fagen's post-apocalypso opus SC oddly more relevant than ever.


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 10:45:06 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Selfish G, Oop's I forgot to copy that particular paragraph. Thanks for adding it.


On another topic, I just got a youtube video spam message for a song called Move Slow by some band named Keys & Cages. I mention this because I noticed other names on the distribution list that seem familiar from this forum. Who else here got this spam?

It's bad enough they have resorted to spamming youtube users, but to include all the usernames in the distribution list is horrible. Doesn't youtube have a way to send to a distribution list while hiding the usernames? And, when did youtube become a spamming vehicle? Maybe this is common, but it is a first for me.

Sorry for the babbling, but this shit pisses me off.


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 10:13:57 ET
Posted by: Selfish , G

Here's the paragraph in that book previous to the one Dean quoted. It was the recent obsession here with SC's global sales that made me recall it.

If you listen to discussion among aficionados of pop records, or switch on the mid-Atlantic mouthings of disc jockeys on the radio, you will discover a very curious thing. Whereas other genres of art criticism betray some preoccupation with style or skill of performance, with mood, emotional impact, with the qualities and properties of the art-form, the 'pop' music sub-culture is almost exclusively preoccupied with popularity itself. It is quite clear that the important thing about a record is not what it sounds like, but how many people are buying it.


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 09:52:41 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I'm with you, SS. This really isn't the place to have a religious discussion.

But I will say if I avoided exposing myself to ideas from people whose opinions I disagreed with, I'd have learned far less about--well everything. It might be different for me because I don't really have many strong "beliefs" to begin with. I'm positive of very little and think many different interpretations of our world are possible.

For those who are curious about what Dawkins had to say about the music industry and the charts, here is a short excerpt:


[The whole sub-culture is obsessed with a rank ordering of records, called the Top 20 or Top 40, which is based only upon sales figures. The thing that really matters about a record is where it lies in the Top 20. This, when you think about it, is a very singular fact, and a very interesting one if we are thinking about R. A. Fisher's theory of runaway evolution. It is probably also significant that a disc jockey seldom mentions the current position of a record in the charts, without at the same time telling us its position in the previous week. This allows the listener to assess, not just the present popularity of a record, but also its rate and direction of change in popularity.

It appears to be a fact that many people will buy a record for no
better reason than that large numbers of other people are buying the
same record, or are likely to do so. Striking evidence comes from the
fact that record companies have been known to send representatives
into key shops to buy up large numbers of their own records, in order to push sales figures up into the region where they may 'take off. (This is not so difficult to do as it sounds, because the Top 20 figures are based upon sales returns from a small sample of record shops. If you know which these key shops are, you don't have to buy all that many records from them in order to make a significant impact on nationwide estimates of sales. There are also well-authenticated stories of shop assistants in these key shops being bribed.)]


This was written in the 80's and the methodology has changed a bit, but I think the basics of this still hold pretty well.

Dawkins uses the music industry to discuss concepts in evolution. The book is a defense of evolution theory and a refutation of "Intelligent Design". For those who don't know or remember, Dawkins is the author of "Selfish Gene" the book--not the Becker song of the same name.


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 09:41:13 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu ,

While GW work kinda at a cartoon level, one song in the lexicon is actually quite brilliant about it, and arguably better than Dawkins' meandering prose...


There's a place way down in Brentwood
Out to Georgio's we all g'wine
The maitre 'd's gonna take care of everything
He's a personal friend of mine, what a prize you are
Honey don't you scratch my new car



Selfish Gene, don't lick no Manolos
He don't argue, he don't ask twice
Selfish Gene, don't serve two masters

(Why) Must every time I turn my ship around
Some bastard come and knock my skyline down




Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 09:37:12 ET
Posted by: Michael,

First of all, I wasn't the one who interjected 'The Blind Watchmaker' into the conversation. Second, yes, belief in God requires faith, but guess what? So does evolution and the big bang.

What does any of this have to do with the Billboard charts? Beats me.


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 08:28:54 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Can I take this moment to suggest - with respect Michael - that we not begin a discussion here about religion ?


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 08:28:18 ET
Posted by: Pop, Muzik

And God of the bible is not a feeble attempt to explain what we really don't know?


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 08:20:36 ET
Posted by: Michael, @Monkey

The full title of the book is 'The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without Design'.

Basically this book is an argument against God, as is typical of all Richard Dawkins' literature (heck, it's practically the only thing the man talks about). In order to believe in evolution, one must put faith into what these men say, because nobody is ever going to witness it in action, certainly not in nature. Ditto for the supposed big bang theory -- nobody was around to witness the birth of the universe, so, actually, they really don't know. Time and space (and all the laws that governs it in order that everything remain functional and coherent) must have an ultimate source and 'random chance' sure is one feeble attempt to take God out of the picture.


Date: Mon, October 29, 2012, 00:19:28 ET
Posted by: Moonbeam, Inside Line

The Pro Bowler's Tour gave a nod to Miss Marlene on Twitter.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 22:41:50 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Give me an "A." A bouncy A.


http://spartandaily.com/87718/donald-fagen-rises-to-new-heights-with-sunken-condos



Ole: Yeah...and it's pretty annoying after about 40 sec!


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 18:57:53 ET
Posted by: oleander, mo sampling?

So has anyone heard "Been In Love" by Eric Roberson? Sounds to me like he's sampling "Black Cow"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCLzVow2BKs


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 18:48:02 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

PGE,

I think you are right, to an extent. If Don was an unknown quantity you'd be totally right, I believe. But Don has been a draw with Steely Dan, Dukes of September, his own tour, Levon, etc for years. I don't believe there is a particular number on the charts that make or break the tour. After all, a chart number is really just that. I think as long as the record sells well (it is), gets reviewed well (it has) and maybe gets a little buzz and radio play (I have no idea where that is at) Don will be fine. After all, he was able to put together a tour after Morph, which didn't have a great performance on the charts (as far as I remember). And Steely Dan doesn't have an problems getting gigs, despite not having an album high on the charts for years. (So there's your proof! Just kidding, sort of.)

I think there may be a question of what kind of venues Don will manage to book. I'd like to see him in the smallest possible venues--but understand there won't be a tour unless the venues are big enough to pay the band and pocket some $$. But as a compromise of sorts, I'd love to see him play in the higher end concert halls and amphitheaters 2,000-3,500 that sort of thing.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 18:20:49 ET
Posted by: PGE, @Big O Redbird

According to the lyrics booklet:

A funny little HUM clicks on


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 17:51:47 ET
Posted by: PGE, charts...

Pro/con charts you should perhaps consider that since charts are very much a part of the music industry, charting with an album will make it so much easier for Donald to go on tour. He'll get the interest, the bookings and so on.

Or at least that's what I've always thought charts meant in a music industry way of seeing the world. Prove me wrong. :)


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 17:33:49 ET
Posted by: Big O Redbird, Omaha/St. Louis

"A funny little ??? clicks on inside my head." I know it may sound dumb, but it is driving me crazy trying to figure out the word that goes there. Anyone?


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 17:06:36 ET
Posted by: Monkey, man

Michael,

I wasn't aware he asked you to read about that particular subject. I think he suggested you read something about charting art. But sweet dismissiveness, man.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 13:20:08 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Sorry, I'm not interested in atheism.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 12:48:23 ET
Posted by: Selfish, G

Read The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins for an interesting commentary on the use of charts to gauge the popularity of pop music.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 12:26:30 ET
Posted by: moray eel, fine

Finally received my album copy of Sunken Condos this weekend only to find out that there is a skip in Miss Marlene.

m.e.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 12:04:29 ET
Posted by: Michael, @The Dean

"But 'chart position' is a manufactured number/rating (related to sales) that turns music into some sort of competition."

That's the idea. It's a corporate invention to try and gauge everything in terms of competition. It's all fake -- nothing to do with artistic integrity. If you want to understand the music industry's mindset, watch any one of those "music competitions" on TV. It's all a corporate game.

Though you may be able to manufacture celebrity or the illusion thereof, you cannot manufacture things like artistry, skill, imagination, passion and work ethic. The genuine artists who compose great music are the ones who will always be remembered for their contribution. Artists like Burt Bacharach, The Beatles, Chicago, Bill Evans, J.S. Bach, Steely Dan, Villa-Lobos, Henry Mancini, etc. etc. You get the point.

Unfortunately much of our youth is brought up believing that music is nothing more than a friggin' popularity contest. That's a crime.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 12:03:38 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

It's Like: On most Sunday mornings during football season, I would be having a drink about now. Alas my team has a bye week and I have committed to help a customer this afternoon.

But even drunk I can create a more relevant Dan-related post (that hopefully actually contributes to the discussion) than anything you typically have to offer.

Don't like the song placement lists? Don't fucking read them. Think they are taking up too much of the board's discussion? Then post something worthwhile and perhaps influence the discussion in another direction, putz! To tell the truth, I also have very little interest in those lists. But they are damn sight more interesting than your jabs at posters who are trying to discuss Steely Dan-related stuff. Perhaps you can find a forum totally dedicated to commenting only on the posts of others. I think you would find that fascinating and there your contributions would amount to something other than simply noise.

Now, in a desperate attempt to keep this post from being entirely hypocritical, here is an interesting thread on Sunken Condos from an audiophile forum. Keep in mind the posters aren't all hard core Dan/Don fans. I think the discussion is interesting for the most part:

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?s=859062bedd70f20dcc4c39792571e001&t=475554


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 12:01:36 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Kudos to Jon Herington for the guitars on Miss Marlene. Especially the lead guitar track throughout. MM just sounds like a new Steely Dan song to me and the phrasing Jon's using is like a Larry Carlton / Walter Becker hybrid. Probably a conscious decision on his part based on some interviews I've seen.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 11:25:26 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

deen - better quit drinkin in the AM.

My post served (except deen who can't take a the least subtle hint) to limit, for the moment, the postings of personal song order preferences and the placement of SC in the national vinyl sales of Lower Slobovia.

Guys - find something worthwhile to do on Sunday AM; maybe go to church "hipsters".


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 11:25:11 ET
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Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 11:14:29 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Erratum:

"I think sales will matte" Obviously it should be "matter"

"(related to sales)" should be related to sales and airplay

And of course, assorted misspellings, typos, punctuation errors, poor grammar and the general pomposity you would expect in one of my posts.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 11:08:24 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Regarding: "@It's like this: And where is your worthy contribution?"

Worthy contribution from "It's like"? Seriously? How about ANY contribution. I don't think it's going to happen, Funky.

With all the recent talk about the Billboard charts (not something I would expect to get much play on a forum devoted to Steely Dan--but I understand the recent interest) I thought this article from yesterday's NY Times would be of some interest. Billboard recently changed their methodology and it has caused a bit of a stir in the industry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/arts/music/billboards-chart-changes-draw-fire.html?pagewanted=all

I wonder if the methodology change has had an impact on how Sunken Condos has charted to date.

I understand why some are so interested in the charts, as they want Don's album to do well and hope a good performance by the album will lead to a Fagen tour. I get all that. But I doubt seriously that the chart position will be the deciding factor on whether Don tours. I think sales will matte--and I suspect the early sales have been encouraging enough if Don really wants to tour. But "chart position" is a manufactured number/rating (related to sales) that turns music into some sort of competition. I find it a bit hard to stomach arguments about who has the #1 song, and how the methodology impacts that rating. Does the rating (or the methodology) make the music any better? The music is what is is, the sales are what they are. Yes, to a degree the buzz a song (or album) gets is tied to airplay/publicity and those are likely impacted by position on the charts. But do you really think Carrie Underwood made less money because “Blown Away” ranked #2 instead of #1? (This refers directly to the NY Times article, so if you haven't read it it won't make too much sense.) What did she really lose except for the bragging rights to having a #1 song?

Now I understand rabid fans of some artists (especially teeny-bopper fans) get caught up in all this--and I suspect artists with less experience and artistic integrity than Walt and Don might care about this a bit, too. But Walt and Don aren't "rock stars" and are long removed (I suspect) from any aspirations or expectations of being "chart toppers". (As an aside this recalls the narrative to Van Morrison's "Goldfish Bowl"--check it out.) As long as they can make money playing music, have a successful career and sell enough albums to make it worth their while to continue to produce new music, I suspect the rankings in the charts are pretty much irrelevant to them. Now, I'm sure the charts are relevant to their management and toadies--but that's fairly irrelevant to this discussion.

So what's my point? Dunno. Maybe it's that, while mentioning chart position is fine and understandable, I wouldn't get too caught up in the competition, as that really doesn't have anything to do with the music. And the music is the reason we are here on The Blue.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 10:40:34 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

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Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 09:40:51 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

It's like this:

Your fresh, snarky remark lacks that special, jazzy soul I have come to expect from a meticulously crafted entry on the Blue. Don't be such a hipster; instead, enjoy some dank Colombian and get back into the groove.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 09:18:22 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

@It's like this: And where is your worthy contribution? ;-)


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 08:13:29 ET
Posted by: Give 'em a , break !

Its like this - Ha ha, yeah the 'lists' are kinda goofy, but I for one like to see the old Fagen warhorse making an impression on the worldwide charts in the 21st century. It's a vindication, and a small victory for actual music ...


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 07:50:19 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

So posts are now relegated to ordering songs in terms of that listener's preference and advising national sales results...really interesting stuff.


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 06:20:51 ET
Posted by: Deaconblue, Brussels, Belgium

Sunken Condos is really selling well all over the world.

Here in Belgium Sunken Condos entered last at # 52 in the album top 200. And guess what? This week SC rised strongly at # 22


Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 04:06:13 ET
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Date: Sun, October 28, 2012, 00:05:38 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

Don: Congrats!!! Well deserved. Headquarters is a mighty one, indeed. Really love the lively sound, something I think Sunken Condos excelled in More light more light! more light ! more light!!!

Imagine back to back Grammy nominations/awards, with SC in


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 18:53:15 ET
Posted by: LR, Laughing

Yeah I thought it was nothing but concert shots
after the candids, didn't realize it switched
back to the candids.


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 17:58:56 ET
Posted by: Burnt Out Hippie Clown,

LR- Tons of pictures of Hawaii residents in Hawaiian shirts? Why?


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 15:08:28 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

There is also a missing song in that
unreleased list from the Pre-Dan years 1968-1971:

"That Listless Feeling"

PGE:

So true!!!!!

More like! More like! More like!


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 14:41:56 ET
Posted by: DonBreithaupt, Toronto

Thrilled to report Monkey House / Headquarters (feat. Michael Leonhart + Drew Zingg) made the first round nominating ballot for the Grammy Awards in the categories Best Pop Vocal Album, Best Instrumental Arrangement Accompanying Vocals + Best Engineered Album! The SD community has played no small part in putting this album on people's radar. Huge thanks...

http://www.amazon.com/Headquarters-Monkey-House/dp/B007THVL1O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351363156&sr=8-1&keywords=monkey+house+headquarters


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 14:08:13 ET
Posted by: PGE, @So Embarassed

No. You didn't hear it wrong. Donald WROTE it wrong.

"More like"
"More like"
"More like"
...


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 13:54:27 ET
Posted by: Herb, H

That review is incorrect in that Michael McDonald's I keep Forgettin' is not the Leiber & Stoller song by the same name.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDlogCcye98


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 13:49:41 ET
Posted by: LR,

Tons of pics from Hawaii:

http://www.honolulupulse.com/galleries/pics-dukes-of-september-at-the-blaisdell?pid=84067#pulse-gallery


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 13:43:12 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray,

Looks like no OOTG in Hawaii.

Nice review and pictures:

http://www.honolulupulse.com/events/review-dukes-of-september


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 13:37:18 ET
Posted by: LR, SoBe

BTW -

Where are all of the Dukes reviews from Hawaii?????

Setlist?

Did they add OOTG to the setlist?


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 13:14:09 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, Sadly SoBe - Should Be In LA This Weekend & And It's All Sandy's Fault

I don't think I buy that "Gullywater" is
from the Katy Lied sessions. To my ears
it has Skunk all over it not to mention
that early congas(sound)like on "Do It Again".
But I could be wrong.

Always wanted to hear "Bus Driver is a Fruitcake"
and "Taking a Dip With Dinah".

"Taking a Dip With Dinah"? Perhaps an early
version of "Slinky Thing" but reverse the
gender:

http://static7.imagecollect.com/preview/560/51d551cef26864c

;O)

Be safe all in the path of the storm.


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 12:52:06 ET
Posted by: So Embarassed, j

Getting around to the lyric sheet on a new album usually costs me some of my favorites. Here's a few on SC I heard wrong.

Just like mystical sand.
Roe Wade comes high.
A photograph of naked dykes.


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 09:58:45 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Ok here is the review that NOBODY has been waiting for, and let me
preface it by saying aint a bad song among em.As always subject to
change early and often. 1. Miss Marlene 2. Memorabilia 3.Good Stuff
4. Planet D'Rhonda 5. Im not the Same 6.Out of the Ghetto 7.Slinky
Thing 8.Weather in my Head 9. New Breed One final thought, I believe
Miss Marlene is among the best tunes to come our way in Eons!!!!


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 08:31:29 ET
Posted by: Mr. Gore, Sandy's path

Being a condo dweller, I figured Don had doomed me with the title of the new one the second I heard what it was.

A couple months back, I got up early and saw the SC cover online for the first time. I then proceeded to my car and saw smoke emitting from a neighbor's townhouse. There was an explosion and soon three townhouses were engulfed and burned to the ground. A fourth sustained heavy water damage from the fire hoses. All this started literally within seconds of me seeing the cover for the first time. True story.

Now a week after hearing songs like Weather in my Head and some kegling chick who likes hurricanes, I'm being told to expect a direct hit and record flooding in the next couple of days. I have a bad feeling about this.




Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 07:23:31 ET
Posted by: KD, asdf

Frig it, "Kamakiriad" it is. There's a spirit and release in that album that isn't and prominent in the other LPs. There's a reason he played "Florida Room" during the ASCAP induction, and it wasn't to please his wonderful better half.

Calm and crisp and strong.


Date: Sat, October 27, 2012, 05:59:29 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

@Greg: that must be the worst form of torture, I can feel your pain, dude!

May I suggest downloading the album illegally? So at least you can listen to it now? You have paid for the SC music already by purchasing the vinyl, so I see nothing wrong with a download of mp3's in your case...


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 21:08:52 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains NY

The sunken LP has landed. Now only waiting for the turntable arrive. This is a form of torture.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 20:38:40 ET
Posted by: Jive Miguel, Bogata

More Light! More Light!

By Anthony Hecht, who coincidentally attended Bard College, finishing in 1944, then drafted into the 97th Infantry, with combat duty in Germany, France and Czeckolovakia.

Any discussion here on the possible connection? Far fetched? Near fetched?

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/179058

Composed in the Tower before his execution
These moving verses, and being brought at that time
Painfully to the stake, submitted, declaring thus:
“I implore my God to witness that I have made no crime.”

Nor was he forsaken of courage, but the death was horrible,
The sack of gunpowder failing to ignite.
His legs were blistered sticks on which the black sap
Bubbled and burst as he howled for the Kindly Light.

And that was but one, and by no means one of the worst;
Permitted at least his pitiful dignity;
And such as were by made prayers in the name of Christ,
That shall judge all men, for his soul’s tranquillity.


We move now to outside a German wood.
Three men are there commanded to dig a hole
In which the two Jews are ordered to lie down
And be buried alive by the third, who is a Pole.


Not light from the shrine at Weimar beyond the hill
Nor light from heaven appeared. But he did refuse.
A Lüger settled back deeply in its glove.
He was ordered to change places with the Jews.


Much casual death had drained away their souls.
The thick dirt mounted toward the quivering chin.
When only the head was exposed the order came
To dig him out again and to get back in.


No light, no light in the blue Polish eye.
When he finished a riding boot packed down the earth.
The Lüger hovered lightly in its glove.
He was shot in the belly and in three hours bled to death.


No prayers or incense rose up in those hours
Which grew to be years, and every day came mute
Ghosts from the ovens, sifting through crisp air,
And settled upon his eyes in a black soot.



Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 20:19:57 ET
Posted by: Security Joan, lovely island

Huge Shot - Yes. For me, the verses are definitely the part of Memorabilia that run on "repeat" in my head, less so the chorus.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 19:27:12 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Congrats to Mr. Fagen for making it to #12 on the Billboard 200!!! Sounds like its not a total turkey...and I'm sure a tour may be in the works!!! But at the same time...I'd love a new Dan album...at least one more!


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 19:13:51 ET
Posted by: moray eel, n

Are they going to fix the weather in the world before Frankenstorm sinks all of the condos?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/frankenstorm-new-york-hurricane-sandy-_n_2025639.html?utm_hp_ref=new-york

m.e.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 18:55:30 ET
Posted by: Technicolor Motorhome, SE USA

If it hasn't been mentioned... Fagen Charts Highest Album Since 1993 on Billboard 200 http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/chart-moves-donald-fagen-charts-highest-1007991252.story This is the time for fans of SD and DF to tweet this news.. put it on facebook ..call the local radio station and request songs from Sunken Condos. If the album does good, there might be a tour to support it.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 17:43:50 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

I agree the songs are terrific!


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 17:31:41 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

I'm glad I'm not enough of an audiophile to be annoyed by the sound of the drums in the mix or whatever... I just love the songs :D


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 17:20:56 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Count me among the (few?) fans of the drum tracks sound on the album. Love the dry sound and I dig that snare.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 17:04:35 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

The crash cymbals are a little too far back in the mix for my tastes, but I actually am a fan of the kind of snare sound used on the album.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 16:19:52 ET
Posted by: Oh , Yeah

Why didn't anybody express potential issues with the drums BEFORE the release? This is totally out of left field.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 16:15:49 ET
Posted by: Huge Shot, X

Anyone besides me find the verses and not the chorus to Memorabilia to be the catchier part of the song?


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 15:38:40 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

@Flipkid: you are definately not the only one who has some issues with the sound of the drums, i have noticed the same thing.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 13:13:44 ET
Posted by: Flipkid, Blue State

Interesting Audioholics review, thanks for sharing. I thought I was the only person a bit disappointed with the sound of the drums (I am a drummer also). Not the PERFORMANCE, just the sound. I'm used to a nice, crisp snare and bright, splashy crash cymbals on Don/Dan records; on SC the snare drum is muddy (batter head and snares too loose) and the crash cymbals are WAY too washy. It dosen't keep from loving the CD, though!


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 11:19:28 ET
Posted by: P. Doyle,

Hutch - Nah nah nah nah... :)


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 10:23:17 ET
Posted by: Carl,

Funkaholic1972 - Over the years in concert, Walter Becker made many references to "the fine Colombian" being about marijuana. Personally, I didn't need WB to convince me of that. I knew that line was referencing to weed the second I heard the song for the first time in 1980.....DUH!


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 10:16:59 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

SS - yes it does. Kama is a completely different album on DVD-A Stereo


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 09:40:24 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

@SS: i don't have the Cd, only these high res flac files, so I can't tell you the difference. The flacs sound quite a bit better (and louder!) than the INTSWY iTunes single that I bought earlier.

I bought the flacs cuz it was the first option available. I listen using a laptop with separate good quality soundcard (TC Electronic Konnekt 24D) and a pair of Genelec 8030a monitors plus subwoofer. Now that I have had my first "high res" experience with SC I would like to get my most favorite albums in that format. Starting with the DF/SD stuff obviously!


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 09:39:16 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

hey kids, a couple of you asked about the Bob Lefsetz comments I posted yesterday.

I can't say I'm a fan of the guy, but I read his newsletter because it's free, and it sometimes offers a little bit of insight into the music business, the old days vs. today. Most of the time, I think Bob's pretty disgruntled, and full of s*it, but I read it for amusement.

Every week he lists the top selling CDs, along with his comments. I did find it unusual that he's picking on DF, not Warner Bros./Reprise for their lack of marketing. I'm sure if more people knew about the album, they would buy, but I guess Warners feels differently after their huge losses this year.

So that's what I know about Bob, I heard about him from a fellow SD friend who follows him on Twatter.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 09:05:31 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Anyone catch the little musical joke on New Breed there at 2:04 when the horns come in?


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 09:04:30 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Funkaholic, tell me about the SC FLAC. How does it stack up against the standard resolution version of SC ?


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 08:56:16 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

What I want is to listen to a High Res version of Kamakiriad (and possibly MTC and The Nightfly) via my laptop, just like I do now with the high res FLAC's that I bought from SC.

I don't have a specific DVD-A player, I was planning on playing the files using VLC Player or WinAmp.

Which version can be best purchased? Would it be smart to buy that Nightfly trilogy?


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 08:50:10 ET
Posted by: Biff, R

You need a DVD-A player to hear the high res. A regular DVD player will only play it in standard resolution.

Was SC mastered at a lower volume? Since my car's CD player died, I have to listen on an Ipod with a cassette port adapter. It gives off a slight buzz, but all the music on my Ipod drowns it out except SC.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 05:49:16 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

This review is fun.

The fellow makes some good points on the way the album sounds, but hasn't been following along well enough to know who the drummer and (sometimes) bass player are.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/software/cd-reviews/donald-fagen-sunken-condos


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 01:50:46 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Funkaholic, the Kama 5.1 will also give you a high rez stereo option. It does on my DVD-A, anyway.


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 01:39:14 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

@TheDean and others: i am now completely convinced that the fine Colombian is pot. Thanks for sorting this out for me!

And yeah, i am very curious about that DVD-A version of Kamakiriad. Is this only 5.1 mix or also hi res stereo? I'd be very interested in the latter!


Date: Fri, October 26, 2012, 00:35:40 ET
Posted by: ,

To "To The..."'

"My Boyfriend's Back" written for David Palmer? Uhhhh...tell The Angels that.

And David Palmer's Gonna be in trouble.

What? No Schlitz Beer commercial?


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 22:45:52 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

I wondered about "Bus Driver is a Fruitcake" too. Seems legit, though:

http://212.178.99.195/SteelyDanDatabase/songs.jsp?SearchInclude=-1&OrderBy=Title#top

Of course Don and Walt have distanced themselves from most of these tunes long ago. I don't expect they will dig them up again any time soon.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 22:37:46 ET
Posted by: UH?,

Where did you come up with these songs? Do you have them or did you read about them?

Bus Driver is a Fruitcake
Taking a Dip With Dinah
Footprints on the Moon


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 21:15:46 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Holy Bejeezus....that is quite the list of tunes!!!


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 20:06:42 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Peter Peters. St Peter and all the Peters everywhere:

I owe you an apology and request a small hat to eat. I did peruse that horrible Popmatters review, but apparently missed the silly penis reference. Wow, this guy seems to be particularly clueless. Listening to the streams on what is likely a PC and clearly didn't have the lyrics (or couldn't understand them). Terrible, just terrible.

And since we have Peter on the brain, Pete Evans posted, "I would love to hear someone name and average song by the Dan or solo Don !" Well I'd agree with you if you used "bad" instead of "average". Of the officially released songs, I think Dallas qualifies as average at best. Sail the Waterway is probably better than an average song by an average band, but not by much.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 19:54:18 ET
Posted by: To the M/O/D/P Guy ,

Complete list of lost SD goodies. We need an anthology ASAP. Peace, JS.

Unreleased Tracks from the Pre-Dan years (1968-1971)

Bus Driver is a Fruitcake
Taking a Dip With Dinah
Footprints on the Moon
One ticket to L.A.
Surreal
Shuffling Up Your Downs
Burn Baby Burn
Be Tender
Anyway You Want It
Mr. Lyle
Number One
Tell it to the Fat man
Stand by the Seawall
Who Got the Credit?
Burnin and Freezin
Giles of the River (Brill Building piano demo)

Becker and Fagen Freelance songwriter years (1971-72)


I Mean to Shine (Barbra Streisand)
Proud to be your Slave (Diamond Head)
Canyon Ladies (Navasota)
Giles of the River (John Kay)
Runnin Child (Christoffer Kearney)
Tell me a Lie (The Grass Roots/Sound Alikes)
Jones (Thomas Jefferson Kaye)
American Lovers (Thomas Jefferson Kaye)
Turn My Friend Away (Linda Hoover)

Can't Buy a Thrill Sessions
Sacajawea
Roaring of the Lamb
Runnin Child
Dr. Udu's Proto Man

Tracks written specifically for David Palmer during their first tour (1972-73)

Megashine City
Take my Money
Hellbound Train
My Boyfriend's Back

Countdown to Ecstacy sessions
Razor Boy (Reggae version)
Countdown to Ecstacy (Title track)
Gold Teeth (Different arrangement from what made the album)

Pretzel Logic Sessions

The Rolling Man (This All Too Mobile Home studio version, different lyrics)


Katy Lied sessions

Gullywater (Different song from the Funky Driver instrumental)
Funky Driver
Mr. Sam
I got the News (Alternate version)

Aja sessions

Were you Blind that Day
Stand by the Seawall
Shanghai Breakdown
The Bear

Gaucho Sessions

The Second Arrangement
Kind Spirit
Kulee Baba
Talkin about my Home
I Can't Write Home About You
Heartbreak Souvenir

Songs from Steely Dan's later tours (1996-2000)

Cash Only Island
Wet Side Story
The Steely Dan Show
Jack of Speed Alternate lyrics

Song titles from the copyright database (No futher information)

In my Car
Miss Irma


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 19:18:23 ET
Posted by: St. Peter,

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/164247-donald-fagen-sunken-condos/


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 18:32:39 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

The Dean -- Mind shooting me a quick e-mail? (Also thanks for the kind words!)


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 18:25:48 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Peter Peter's writes: "Some reviewer thinks the Slinky Thing is about a penis."

Really? Got a link? Got a reference of ANY kind? I'm guessing you are a troll with nothing to add. Hey, prove me wrong.

Fred (even if you and PP are the same person): Outstanding!

I have never heard the DVD-A version of Kami, but I'm guessing it addresses the only (small) flaw I can hear in the album, if Dan B's post is on the money (as it usually is). I will have to get my hands on it one of these days. I'm pretty sure my Yamaha player is compatible.

Now, back to the Fine Colombian for a moment. I really hate to beat this horse to death, but there seem to be some misconceptions at work here. And I'm guessing those who really believe the reference is to coke don't have first-hand experience in the drug scene of the 70's. Now, I ought to be embarrassed to know as much as I do about the drug scene, but at least you can benefit from my experience.

First of all, let's deal with the idea that "fine" is about how fine the coke is ground before you snort it (yes, let's just stick to snorting for a this discussion). Fineness has NOTHING to do with the quality of the cocaine. Any coke can be ground (or chopped) to any degree of fineness. Nobody would impress anyone with the "fineness" of their blow if we take "fine" to mean finely chopped/ground. It's like saying Coors Light is "cold"--in other words, nonsense. In fact, you would likely be suspicious of cocaine that was finely ground when you bought it. The best coke was rocky--chunks that you would have to grind yourself. OTOH, anything described as "fine" as in "very good quality" would mean something. But people simply didn't call cocaine "Colombian" at that time--not at least in my experience. But pot was often referred to by its origin (Thai, Hawaiian, Colombian, Acapulco Gold, etc.)

Then there is this idea that cocaine is some kind of sexual aphrodisiac. Well, I hate to be a wet blanket here, but--and I'm sure this varies from individual to individual--but while coke can definitely help you GET you laid, it is unlikely to help a man's sexual performance. In fact, coke-dick is even worse than whiskey-dick---again, in my experience. Pot on the other hand is a pretty sensual drug. Yes, it can put you to sleep, but it doesn't kill an erection. (Oh my, TMI The Dean!)

Anyway, the I think the interpretation of "Fine Colombian" as cocaine came about well after Gaucho's release. At least every Dan fan I knew in the early 80's knew it was about pot.




Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 18:23:41 ET
Posted by: ted,

And "the fine Colombian" is about weed, not Juan Valdez.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 18:19:01 ET
Posted by: Juan Valdez,

fine Columbian = muy bueno weed.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 18:14:28 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Is it green, white...or brown?

Once, a very long time ago...in the early '80s...on the cusp of what was to become easily the worst decade in popular music thus far, I convinced a girlfriend that "fine Columbian" was not a drug reference at all. She was always beaking at me about my SD affliction, and she saw drug references everywhere. Even when they weren't actually there. Which was sometimes. I carefully explained to her that "fine Columbian" was in fact a reference to legendary Columbian folk hero Juan Valdez. The song's protagonist, I explained, was looking forward to a night of drinking low-grade, high-adjunct, brand-name tequila, and spending that night with the 19 year old chicky. When the morning finally came, and they were still together, they would brew up some fine Columbian coffee. She bought it.

I believe most of WB's "Hey 19" monologs (or monologues as we say up here in Canada) from the past few tours mentioned some sort of alcohol (or in some cases a revolting alcohol-like concoction made on a very thin welfare-type budget) and some "special cigarettes -wink wink" as the ingredients for the song's evening of tawdry romance. No mention of the toxic white powder that turns assholes into much bigger assholes...not officially, anyways.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 18:11:38 ET
Posted by: ted,

Some of you are over analyzing these songs way too much! Slinky Thing is not a penis and Miss Marlene is a bowler, not a hooker.....sheech!


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 18:09:51 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK

Well said X Factor. I would say the debate should be based on whether our heros have ever written a bad or even an average song ! Everything they have ever done has been at least good, often superb abd usually utter musical and lyrical genius ! I would love to hear someone name and average song by the Dan or solo Don !


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 17:52:41 ET
Posted by: Fred ,

Peter Peters,

Probably like you, I think that reviewer is a real jerk off. But if Slinky Thing is really a penis, then the aforementioned penis must belong to none-other than John Bobbit and the chicky babe must be Lorena.

No wonder the young dudes were grinnin' and he can't say it didn't sting.

"The split is a culinary knife"

Deep stuff.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 17:45:12 ET
Posted by: Fred ,

Webster:

The Steely Dan Dictionary has been mentioned in every edition of the Dandom Digest for the past umpteen years. You must not get the Digest

> * Dan O'Malley's Steely Dan Dictionary, http://www.steelydandictionary.com


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 17:45:01 ET
Posted by: Peter Peters,

Some reviewer thinks the Slinky Thing is about a penis.

If you take out references to girls in some of these songs it might be true. Even for Miss Marlene in some parts in that song which reviewers have already thought was about stroking off.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 17:37:21 ET
Posted by: Fred ,

Regarding 'fine Columbian," clearly a nod to Mrs. Olson and Folgers.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 17:22:09 ET
Posted by: N. Webster,

I remember reading a Dan Dictionary some time ago. Has anyone seen that? It even said what a Squonk was.

It probably needs updating if it even still exists.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 17:11:50 ET
Posted by: Carl,

Aja1- Enjoy your seasonal albums. I listen to these things all year round!


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 16:23:58 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Couldn't agree more Dan B...the DVD of Kama sounds so much fuller than the CD. And for that matter...the open to I.G.Y. on DVD is just breathtaking...so crisp and clean!!!


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 16:23:21 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

That's the great thing about SD / DF to me... even the songs or albums that I aren't my favorites are still so much better than virtually everything else that's out there... it's sort of like arguing about a $100 bottle of wine versus a $150 bottle: at the end of the day, it's all amazing! Just differing levels of amazing depending on your taste :)


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 15:38:49 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

Let me just start by saying Kamakiriad sounds MUCH better on DVD-A than on CD. The CD mix is very thin and lifeless, with no bottom end, and the vocals too far back in the mix. The DVD-A mix brings out a lot more of the energy in the songs and has a much more balanced sound. It almost feels like a different album the two mixes are so vastly different. (Hell, there are a couple guitar licks that show up on the 5.1 mix that aren't on the CD mix! I know there's one in Tomorrow's Girls just before the first stanza for example.)

That being said, the album still has the least pleasing sound to my ears of anything Donald's done. Too many odd-sounding drums, too many keyboard parts using a cheesy sounding Yamaha DX-7 instead of a Fender Rhodes (and what Rhodes parts do show sound odd because the electric piano he used was not set up very well at all to be honest), many of the arrangements just felt a little "off" to me. Countermoon is a nice song, but something about the way it sounds on the album is just unsettling, for example.

The highlights? Snowbound is one of the best tracks Don and/or Walt have ever done. On the Dunes is a beautiful blues ballad. Tomorrow's Girls is fun and has a lovely bridge. Florida Room is bright and sunny with some killer horns. I already mentioned Countermoon is pretty good. I've just never warmed up to Trans-Island Skyway, Springtime, or Teahouse on the Tracks. (The intro to Springtime is amazing. The rest of the song just feels lacking to me though.)

So basically I think it's an uneven album with a very dated sound at times, but there's still a TON to love about it.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 15:12:36 ET
Posted by: Ion, Grid

I thought Kamakiriad was great. If I had to give any SD/DF album a "GPA" based on each track's grade, this one would probably be the highest. I remember when it came out, I had friends who were SD fans and also loved the Nightfly, but they weren't persuaded to go out and buy it because, well, it was a comeback album and the Nightfly was deemed all but unfollowupable. I couldn't rave enough about it to them.

But over the years, it hasn't been one I need a fix for as often as Gaucho, Nightfly, Royal Scam and even PL. It's one to which I feel I have to give my full attention to appreciate, and I don't always feel like doing that. Nightfly I can more appreciate more at surface level.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 15:05:25 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

"Tey never hear of Columbian as coke but rather weed."

They never heard...

Typed too fast....my bad!!!


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 15:04:15 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

The topic of "Fine Columbian" came up a few weeks ago with some friends and I always thought it was cocaine. Tey never hear of Columbian as coke but rather weed. But what gets me is the word fine...as someone else mentioned...as in the cut. I tend to think it is still coke. Maybe someone out in interview land can get D/W to spill it and tell us what they meant by it.

If they ever release another box set of stuff....there should be a booklet with explanations of their references. I know they want us to have out own meanings to it...but damn if I can figure it all out!!!


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 14:32:58 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

Kamakiriad has always been a spring/summer album for me, even Snowbound for some reason. Nightfly and Morph have been more fall and winter. We'll see about SC.

I love every song on Kama, especially Teahouse.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 14:32:58 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK

There's a lengthy ( but badly researched and not very good ) interview with Donald in the new issue of Uncut magazine in the UK. The female interviewer does not get the best out of Fagen, probably not helped by admitting to him that she preferred Don solo to the Dan and preferred Jackson Browne ( for goodness sake ! ) full stop. Not sure why she bothered interviewing Don ! There is also a lot of stuff we already know and she even rates Morph 10/10 higher than the Nightfly 9/10 !! Also, Don's single is now in the BBC radio 2 playlist ( the C list ) so that might help sales in the UK.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 13:45:32 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

Listening to Kamakiriad now... I really don't get the dislike for this album.

Trans-Island Skyway is great, upbeat and a toe-tapper
Countermoon is another awesome song, great imagery and melodies
Springtime is sneaky good, you kind of zone out for a bit and then realize how much you enjoyed the song
Snowbound is a song I'd put up there with any SD/DF song.
Tomorrow's Girls is another great upbeat song
Florida Room is jazzier and kind of leaves me guessing a bit, but I love it
On The Dunes is perhaps the most introspective, soulful song DF has ever created
Teahouse On The Tracks is actually kinda 'meh' for me, but that being said a 'meh' DF song beats basically every song out there!

I just don't get where people could hear these songs and think "not great". Perhaps it's just that I grew up listening to it, so I do have that emotional / nostalgic connection (and wasn't alive / wasn't aware of what must have been exceedingly high expectations of this record after a 10+ year absence after The Nightfly).


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 13:28:00 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

Thanks for all the replies.

I believe it to be cocaine: if I was with a 19 year old "slinky thing" and having a lot of booze I would definately enjoy a little "performance boost".

Weed would just make me sleepy on top of booze, or worse even: sick. Not good if you wanna do the do!


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 13:25:33 ET
Posted by: kzkzkz, midtown

Getcher Late Show tickets here folks...

http://www.cbs.com/shows/late_show/tickets/request/


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 12:15:37 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


Sunken Condos debuts at #12 on the Billboard Top 200 chart. #3 on the rock chart!


A Solid beginning. Sales are steady and strong and should keep SC in the top 20 next week.


The disconnect with the amazon.com top 10 numbers suggests that release on Tuesday instead of Monday cost SC a top 10 debut.


If INTSWY was promoted in the US and if the Letterman appearance were earlier then possibly a multiweek stay in the top 10 is possible. My suggestion would be to play Weather on Letterman and then release as a new single in mid November, followed by a mini-tour.



Congratulations to Mr. Fagen. This one is no turkey!


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 12:12:39 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

Lefsetz links the sales charts to his larger narrative about success in the 21st century music industry ... and he has a point. Odd that he blames Fagen himself and not Warner, though.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 12:09:58 ET
Posted by: Steely Joe, philly

A FEW MORE RARITIES TO ADD....

KIND SPIRIT
CASH ONLY ISLAND
WETSIDE STORY
OUR LAWN
TALKING BOUT MY HOME
2ND ARRANGEMENT
STEELY DAN SHOW


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 11:16:05 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

@ Dean,

Cheers,that does seem more likely.Naturally I bow to your personal experience on these matters :.)

Regards.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 11:11:46 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Jives, of course nothing is ever too certain in Steely Dan world so I can't say for certain it is pot. But I grew up in that era and did plenty of both pot and cocaine. I have NEVER heard coke referred to as "Fine Colombian" or even "Colombian" for that matter. Some might say the coke "is Colombian" maybe but not as a rule--but never referred to as "Colombian" as in "I got some nice Colombian." Pot was often referred to by where it was from.

So I guess my point is, in the lingo of the day (at least in my experience) Fine Colombian was a pot reference. It is of course possible SD turned that phrase to another meaning, but I don't believe that is what's happening in this case.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 10:53:59 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

I've always thought Gaucho was cocaine to the max-which is slightly odd considering so much of the album is extremely laid back grooves.I had also intrepreted "the fine Colombian" as coke rather than weed;the "fine" being extremely well cut/chopped cocaine.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 10:08:31 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

As SS notes, the fine Columbian is indeed pot--as is "the el supremo" from the room at the top of the stairs. At least that's the way I've always thought of them.


I'm hoping steelydoc can give us a little insight into Lefsetz's angle (as he gets his email missives). I don't know much about Lefsetz except for the odd remark or two I've read from him. His Sunken Condos remarks can be read two ways, I think. I'd like to think it is tongue-in-cheek/sarcastic, but I'm guessing it is not.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 10:08:15 ET
Posted by: let's weigh this out, this is tougher than you might think

Cuervo Gold is definitely Tequila, so they are drinking alcohol

Fine Colombian, or Colombian Gold, mid 1970's before Gaucho was a premium weed

Late 1970's around the time of Gaucho being written, coke was taking off, Colombia being a major supplier. And Steely Dan is always topically up with the latest trends, which would be Colombian coke.

Gaucho songs, especially GP are thought to be directed at the LA coke scene

Tequila with coke kind of defeats the purpose of the coke stimulant, which is expensive, although alcohol can moderate you from climbing the walls from the coke

Tequila with weed kind of mellows you out if you are getting ready to shag a 19 year old bird and are excitable and have the jitters

On the other hand if you are heavily drinking and you want to shag her rotten, a little coke can give you the required boost of energy

Hope this helps. Thoughts?











Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 09:57:41 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

SS - look up the definition of Chutzpah and you'll get the picture.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 09:25:30 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

The fine Colombian is pot.

Steelydoc, what's this Bob fellow on about ? I read what you posted and I wasn't sure whether he was just offended that DF released something or ?????


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 09:08:51 ET
Posted by: Bob Lefsetz, asdf

Good god.

One sentence paragraphs.

Are.

Insufferable.

What a.

Twat.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 08:58:55 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

A question concerning "The Cuervo Gold, the fine Colombian":

I have always wondered if "the fine Colombian" refers to cocaine or to pot? Can anyone enlighten me?


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 08:50:06 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, near the Tower

this is from Bob Lefsetz's email report, The Lefsetz Letter:

sales results from this past week:


12. Donald Fagen "Sunken Condos"

Sales this week: 18,007
Debut

I bet you didn't even know this came out.

Oh what a difference a decade makes.

We were waiting for new Steely Dan music and now most people have no idea Fagen is making new music.

Just because you were someone once, it doesn't mean you're anybody today, other than a has-been who can play your own hits.

None of the ancients can sell a record. Because they just aren't hungry enough. They just want to bitch that the old days are through.

Forget albums you oldsters. Just cut one track so good it will go viral amongst your constituency.

But you won't do this. You keep talking about the "album," the statement, the cover, the vinyl, the way it used to be. You're still waiting for a deejay to embrace you when your audience listens to talk radio if they listen at all.

Just go on the road and play your hits and forget it.

Or social network and work two hundred days a year and open for Dave Matthews and try to gain a new audience.

But this is anathema to you.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 08:31:45 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

The latest Strainer was:

"Tonight's Strainer focuses on the Fagen Trilogy (not boxed set). There has been much discussion of late about the Dan reprising some of their old unofficial releases. From time to time questions arise about the sound of songs such as Big Noise NY and others being virtually the same or very similar to official releases.

Well, sonically, the song "The Second Arrangement" quite possibly DOES have a "second arrangement" that appeared in the Fagen Trilogy. Name that tune.

Difficulty level prolly a 5.5 out of 10."

EPILOGUE

This Strainer generated few surprises, except a possible similarity to The Night Belongs to Mona, where there is a degree of similarity that hadn't been noticed and parts of that song, since it came later in the Fagen Trilogy. It does contains some of the sounds that typify Fagen's musical vocabulary, but Mona not the best fit.

The tune we were looking for was indeed the Nightfly which came early in the Fagen Trilogy, but musically drew on an outtake from the Aja/Gaucho era. First with the correct answer, and he better had gotten this one (he being from Mt Belzoni) was the poster KMITB. Unlike many fictional places in Steely geography, there are at least two Belzonis, one each in the US states of Mississippi and Oklahoma. However neither of them are in any sort of elevated region to merit the designation of "Mount".

Though many would like to see an anthology of Dan outtakes and other unreleased Dan material, though it might be unlikely to happen, several of these have resurfaced as released material in whole or in part. And to echo the statements of the Dean and M/O/D/P most of the outtakes are generally not particularly as good as the released material, but there are exceptions.

We may never get an "official" release of the The Second Arrangement. Nonetheless DF DID give us one of the finest tunes in the Dan/Don catalogue which for many more than suffices--The Nightfly.







Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 07:59:05 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK

Don debuts at number 12 in Billboard 200 and 3 in rock albums ( whatever that is ! ). Well done the Don, another hit ! Also INTSWY a top 30 in Japan !!


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 05:24:52 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Funkaholic, I don't think that reviewer gets DF.

And he spent a lot of words at the start complaining the songs on SC were hard for him to hear due to some computer glitch. Then his review was full of typos.


Date: Thurs, October 25, 2012, 04:47:20 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

Another review (a meager 6 out of 10, while the actual text of the review is fairly positive), not sure this has been posted yet:


http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/164247-donald-fagen-sunken-condos/


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 23:39:07 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Spoiling it for everyone...again...

QUOTE, From my long-lost-second-cousin-once-removed, The Dean: "But, and this is the important part, most of it isn't superior to the already released SD-related material."

And, that, I think, is the nub ("rub"?) of the thing right there. As much as I would really, really enjoy a set of proper recordings of all of our favourite rarities, most of them (with a couple or three higher-profile exceptions) simply are not BETTER than the incredibly high quality stuff released so far under the SD brand name, a point that might make the project hard if not impossible for a couple of perfectionists to even consider seriously.

Another point, since I'm wet-blanketing my own Steely Dan Dream Project as well as yours, would be that Becker and Fagen have never, as far as I can see, ever specifically catered to or cared about the hardcore fans' wants and wishes. Nor, in my view, should they have. Lesser bands have done this routinely, and lesser bands have soiled their own musical legacies/reputations in doing so. We can all name groups who have seemingly bent over backwards to follow popular, crowd-pleasing trends, or who have catered to a (mostly) musically illiterate fanbase, all at the expense of their own credibility. And speaking of "artistic credibility", imagine how it might look for a band with The Dan's stellar canon to release, after a nearly ten year recording hiatus, an entire album of nothing but "old stuff" that didn't (for whatever reason) meet their exacting standards years and years ago. It might appear as though they were done...worn out...no gas left in the car...no longer even slightly relevant. Not to us, the wacky, obsessed fans, but to the rest of the saner public. To top off the nail-in-coffin-putting, can anyone here envision such a project selling more than a few thousand units? Would it even end up as a break-even concern? Before you answer, remember that today's SD "fans" (the folks who pay the bills by buying concert tickets and CD copies of Can't Buy A Thrill and Aja) want, mostly, '70s hits & familiar radio material, and they don't care about (or even know about in may cases) Two Against Nature or Everything Must Go. They certainly won't buy or listen to "filler" like discarded outtakes, no matter how much you or I love them. And, need I point out that the Rarities show itself was not a complete sellout...in a small, intimate venue conveniently located in the World's Greatest City?

On the other hand, when I got in the car and headed to NYC a little over a year ago for the Gaucho and Rarities nights, I could never have imagined the set list we got on Saturday. Even though many here on The Blue had fun dreaming up some amazing potential set lists, I had the impression at the time that most of us didn't really expect it to be as good as it was that night. So maybe, just maybe there's a small glimmer of hope. I said, "maybe".

I would dearly love to be proven wrong on this one, believe me, although I can't find any evidence anywhere to refute my take on this. One glimmer of hope - if there's another "box set/best of"-type package in the works at some point in the future, there's simply no way it could end up being more purposeless than "Citizen Steely Dan". Impossible. I for one would willingly pay again for the entire back catalog (it's only a handful of albums after all) if that "box set" came with a CD crammed with authorized versions of all those discards that The Dean aptly describes as being better than most other acts' "A" material.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 22:34:11 ET
Posted by: JP, A

Here's what I think Miss Marlene is about.

Don went bowling, or at least hung out watching family bowl, at Bowlmor. Bowling and drinking go hand in hand. Alas, the insurance is sky high because if someone runs out into the street drunk and gets killed you can be sued.

He went bowling, saw the girls, the balls, the booze...and being a songwriter, wrote a song about it.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 22:26:02 ET
Posted by: Still Sparkin', Hong Kong

The (Bull)goose is loose !

I'm not surprised the Miss Marlene bass line has infiltrated your genome - cuz you're a bass player, eh. So, can you offer something on what kind of instrument is making those bass(ey) noises on the song ? It's credited to Harlan Post and as far as we know, that's DF. Do you think he played through the whole track, or did he lay something down on some kind of synth/keyboard and they looped it ?

By the way, the Giant Rat of Sumatra plectrum is safely stowed with other Danfest souvenirs, bound one day to become Memorabilia.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 21:30:20 ET
Posted by: Augusta, DC Native

Miss Marlene affects me emotionally, unlike the other tunes on SC which I feel are pure musical pleasure. MM is wonderful, but the lyric / story is sad. Jives, I do not think your sense is off base at all.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 21:29:43 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Back from Flytown, ALIVE!

Jives, I suppose Don's mom might have played some influence on the song Miss Marlene, but:

Her name was Elinor
She was a big band singer for a while (as was my mother, as a teen)
She didn't die young, but rather lived until 2003.

So if there is some influence, I would guess it is not an obvious one.

No word on if Elinor was a good bowler. :#)


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 20:43:21 ET
Posted by: Steve Gennarelli, Tampa

While its fun to speculate what Donald & Walter have in store for us, the reality of it may even be beyond our wildest expectations.
Going back to last year, who knew they would have a Rarities night that would include my favorite "The Second Arrangement" and "The Bear" to name just two. Who knew they'd even offer a fun night of their 2000-2003 hits ?
It warmed my heart to hear that "Steely Dan" may go on tour next year or have a new album. If they do go on tour, here's my dream set list.
1. Gaucho - rarely done on tour. Why not kick off a show with it.
2. Any Major Dude - much beloved tune that hasn't been done since '07.
3. Black Cow - Just a great song that you can tell Don really likes to play.
4. Rikki - Got some play time on last year's tour, but other than that it hadn't been played since '96.
5. Josie - One of those evergreeens they pull out on just about every show.
6. Rose Darlin - My prediction for the song they resurrect next year the way they resurrected "Your Gold Teeth II" last time out.
7. Everything Must Go - New song that they enjoy playing.
8. either Almost Gothic or Blues Beach..I'd love to hear
either or both.
9. Kid Char...which is a must on every show in my opinion.
10. Don't Take me Alive - always a great way to prepare for the
encore.
11. Here at the Western World - This would be probably the one
song more than any other that I'd like to hear somewhat
close to its original form
12. The Second Arrangement - I can dream, can't I ?
13. My Old School - since its pretty much their definitive
show closer.
******************************************************************
I know the real show will have less rarities, but I'll be happy with any show the boys put together since I'm a true hardcore fan.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 19:51:12 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

I've no real evidence or rationale for offering this but:

I think Miss Marlene may be about Don's late mum.

Sorry,can't explain it,just a sense..


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 19:47:36 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

I would much rather see our chaps release an album than tour next year.

An album is from the white-hot furnace of new creativity whereas a tour(much as love SD gigs) tends to be material we already know(and love).

More new stuff!Always! :.)


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 17:34:11 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

Joe,

"When The Nightfly came out almost 30 (ulp!) years ago"

Not "almost" it will be 30 years ago in 5 days.

We are getting old, are we not?


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 16:04:03 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Happy Hour in Flytown

I have agree, mostly, with M/O/D/P/ as usual(is it possible that M/O/D/P/, Jazzassin and I are related?). I would absolutely love to hear these gems recorded properly (as-is or rearranged as Don and Walt see fit), but I think it's a major longshot. One the one hand (as KMITB rightfully notes) they did actually play a few of these tunes on Rarities Night, so there is some hope. OTOH, that is the only and/or last time they have played some of these tunes. I'm not of the mind that Don and Walt owe us fans anything more than they have already given. And I don't see either of them as guys who would go to the effort to release an album like this "for the fans" unless they actually had some desire to do so artistically. THANK GOD (or Satan or whatever).

IMO The Dan's throw-away stuff (tossed for whatever reason) is far superior to 95% (I'm being conservative here) of other artists' A material. But, and this is the important part, most of it isn't superior to the already released SD-related material. IMO of course.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 14:04:16 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Ahhhh....I hear SA in The Nightfly now...good call!!!


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 13:59:48 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



BS - you mean the chord progression on the bridge of the Nightfly sounds like the chords in the Second Arrangement intro and at the end of each verse segment.



Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 13:53:06 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Brain Strainer, I'll echo what a couple other people have said.

I'm leaning towards The Nightfly, but if not that then Florida Room.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 13:49:08 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

Re: Brain Strainer

Florida Room?


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 13:27:52 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

I get goosebumps thinking about This All Too Mobile Home that night. I rushed the stage and screamed out a request for Kulee Baba along with many other requests being yelled out, but I like to think that, as I was closest and most obnoxious, Fagen was admonishing me directly. And it was a wholly unexpected delight, complete with the band leaving the stage one by one (Fagen DANCED on his way off)...


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 13:24:08 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

@ Brain Strainer

Im thinking the title track from The Nightfly?


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 12:56:00 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

@ Brian
The two that come to mind are The Nightfly and Mona. Probably leaning towards Mona more...but this is just listening to quick clips on Amazon.

@M/O/D/P/
Though I tend to agree that it is highly unlikely that they would release an album of tossed out tunes...why go to the trouble for that rarities night then? I think that's a lot of work for one night of shows. Something tells me that those songs are kept in a pile of possibilities.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 12:43:08 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, snuggling up in a nice Wet Blanket

As much as I'd personally love to hear a Steely Dan album of properly-recorded "lost" songs (updated/re-arranged or not), I suspect we'll never see it come to fruition...sadly. Think about it this way - imagine the prospect of working for months and months on recording a project that consists entirely of songs you don't like. And some of which you might even hate. I think both Don and Walter have made it abundantly clear that these songs we all pretty much unanimously love here are, for them, unloved orphans, cast-offs, unused bits that mostly make them uncomfortable. I think it's a minor miracle that a handful of them were actually performed live in NYC. I think it is significant to note that none of the unreleased gems got played again during the seven live shows the band did after Rarities Night, not even Mobile Home. Not even after DF shouted something about ending the show, "The way WE WANNA DO IT!!" right before OUR all-time favourite show closer.

Maybe, just maybe we might get one or two of the best of them as some sort of "extras" on a future compilation project (yet another "Best Of"-type offering to denote some arbitrary aniversary), but don't hold your breath for an entire new album filled with discarded treasures anytime soon.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 12:28:54 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

Tonight's Strainer focuses on the Fagen Trilogy (not boxed set). There has been much discussion of late about the Dan reprising some of their old unofficial releases. From time to time questions arise about the sound of songs such as Big Noise NY and others being virtually the same or very similar to official releases.

Well, sonically, the song "The Second Arrangement" quite possibly DOES have a "second arrangement" that appeared in the Fagen Trilogy. Name that tune.

Difficulty level prolly a 5.5 out of 10.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 12:25:39 ET
Posted by: ,

Add Schlitz Beer Commerical.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 12:01:27 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Jim,

I know the old tunes would be freshened up a bit. I don't expect the songs to sound similar to the demos. But I think part of it is closure. Record Second Arrangement. They obviously felt ok with it enough to play it....go through the process of putting the music on pages for the band members....so it wouldn't be hard to do it now. And imagine the chatter if something like that were to happen...the SD community would explode. Listening to the live performance...it holds up very well. Again....closure. Something like that...all these years later...still stings a bit. But if they could just do it....I think it would help close the book on it for good!

Helps with the "what if" hanging over their heads!!!


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 11:50:39 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Add

Mister Sam


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 11:46:22 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

OK...here is what I am thinking so far....

Second Arangement
Kulee Baba
The Bear
This All Too Mobile Home
Stand By The Seawall
Gullywater
Wetside Story
Our Lawn

I'm sure there are many more I am missing...


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 11:44:30 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago, as always, really on the quick

I'd love to hear final versions of those tracks on a new SD album.

But what would you think if the final release changed things up a bit, like DF's sped up Here At The Western World 2006 or the Walter-led Jack of Speed 1996 vs the Donald-led Jack of 2vN?

Too much good stuff here lately to read it all.

Jim


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 11:40:12 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Doc, it would be worth it. I would absolutely LOVE real studio versions of those 3 songs I listed.

I'm still ridiculously jealous of everyone who got to see them live.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 11:32:23 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Of course....I think we should come up with a list of songs that they have done that did not make it on an album. And I'm talking stuff post demo stuff from the 60's/early 70's unless there is stuff from that era you'd like to see done. We could come up with a good 9-10 songs for them to do on an upcoming album.

How cool would that be?


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 11:27:24 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



You're going to have to put Kulee Baba and Can't Write Home About You on that puppy, Wu

...and that Gully Water/Gully Washer thing.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 11:24:38 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

It makes sense. Kind of like a thank you for support throughout the years...here's all the scrapped tunes that we thought weren't good enough....but you did!!!

"Stand by the Seawall" would be just awesome.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 11:17:25 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

The Bear, The Second Arrangement, and This All Too Mobile Home on a new Steely Dan album would just be too much. It would be like(and you're gonna have to excuse me)... the greatest fucking thing ever.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 11:13:23 ET
Posted by: KMITB, Mt. Belzoni

Listening to the rarities tunes performed at the Beacon last year....I don't see why Second Arrangement, The Bear and others couldn't be done on a new SD album. Think about it...they put a lot of time into performing those songs...what...ONCE? Seems to me that if you are going to put the charts together, rehearse and then perform the songs....that at least there is the thought that they could be done.

The list of songs that never made it is pretty long. Luckily we got "Here at the Western World" recorded...as that was left off an album as well.

I vote new album over tour. Any chance we have of getting new material...or in this case...old....is one I would take any day!!!

"Were still bowling every Saturday night"


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 10:42:04 ET
Posted by: Steve M, Scotland

Don

If Sunken Condos inspires you to start writing the follow up to 'Headquarters' then that's a damm good thing.

HQ was easily the album of the year in our house, wife, daughters (and myself of course) all loved it and have our favourites (the kids who are fans of 'the big bang theory' love 'Emily Einstein')

Get off that arse and get writing!


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 09:36:41 ET
Posted by: DonBreithaupt, Toronto

Spinning the new record every day, and the songs I'm looking forward to the most (and am tempted to play multiple times in a row) are Miss Marlene and The New Breed. <Donald Fagen makes good mind candy!> It's kicking my ass to start writing for the next Monkey House album... When The Nightfly came out almost 30 (ulp!) years ago, I remember loving the whole thing instantly, of course, but playing IGY over and over again: at the end of the fade, I would lift the tonearm off that precious vinyl and start side 1 / track 1 again... Sofa King inspiring...


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 09:25:25 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Re: Kamakiriad

I actually was fairly impressed with the number of Kami songs included in some poster's "best album" list considering how so many seem to think it is an inferior album.

Like all Don/Dan/Walt stuff I LOVE whatever album I'm listening to at the moment and label it "the best" or "the most underrated" (etc) to myself. Kamakiriad is no exception, though "underrated" is probably the label I give it as I listen (not "best"). But I must confess, I don't listen to it often enough. When I do revisit it I get really happy and tend to keep it in the rotation for quite a while. I don't think there is a bad song on the album, but for some reason I think the production is a bit dated--if that makes any sense.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 09:11:31 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

While we're so nicely busy making lists, here is my list of DF albums (ordered from favorite to least favorite):

1. The Nightfly: His classic album, superb songwriting by Donald and top performances by Larry Carlton. Unmissable!
2. Sunken Condos: Maybe it is a bit early to put this one on number 2, but I just really love this album! And by making the "Best of" list I realised that SC supplies more unmissable tracks than K and MTC.
3. Kamakiriad: It took me quite a while to warm up to this album, but there are at least three great DF songs on there: Countermoon, Florida Room and Tomorrow's Girls. And the rest not bad either...
4. Morph The Cat: I liked it quite a lot when it came out, but it has lost some of its initial charm. It is a bit samey sounding, and the vocal melodies are not so interesting, I think.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 09:05:46 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Dr Jay of Giant fan of San Fran

"Got the cd yesterday-Loving it. Does Out of the Ghetto sound like Disco Inferno to anyone else?"

Ghetto is a cover of the same 1977 Isaac Hayes song. DF stays fairly true to it. SO the question should be does the Isaac Hayes version sound like Disco Inferno? Listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjfQjGky_4M

Disco Inferno was originally 1976. The similarity you hear would follow chronologically to Isaac Hayes' Ghetto (1977), although that basic 4/4 "Four to the Floor" dance beat was used on tons of dance songs.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 08:26:04 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

My "Best of Donald Fagen" album would look quite similar to the Young Wu one:

1. I.G.Y.
2. Green Flower Street
3. New Frontier
4. The Goodbye Look
5. The Nightfly
6. Florida Room
7. Tomorrow's Girls
8. Countermoon
9. Morph the Cat
10. The Night Belongs to Mona
11. Slinky Thing
12. Memorabilia
13. Miss Marlene
14. Good Stuff


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 08:13:40 ET
Posted by: the bullgoose, sweet home bonalbo australia

Bullgoose here

Three words: Miss Marlene sublime. They said Neil Diamond could sing a song that meant absolutely nothing with complete conviction. The Whining Donster has taken a prosaic episode of Cut Down In Their Prime and brought a tear to my eye through a combination
of a drop from the leading note, a keening timbre and boss harmony. The bass line has infiltrated my genome, and how's the second guitar part and the oh so minimally staggered entry of the harmony voices? Pure class. And the horns. Thoroughly decent I must say.

Doesn't that 5 note descending intro to Weather in my Head remind you of the start to Turn That Heartbeat?

Greetings, SS, my sibilant one.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 08:01:52 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

At the moment I would be most interested in a solo DF tour, provided that he includes Europe.

Concerning Steely Dan: bring on the new album! A tour is always great, but new original SD material would be most welcome. Especially if it will be as good as the stuff on SC.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 07:30:44 ET
Posted by: Jim Taylor, Hello Baton Rouge

Ok, from the ABC Radio interview, Donald indicates that it seems to be an either/or situation: “talking about doing an album or else probably going on tour next summer." So what would everyone like to have next summer: the guys recording another album, or a tour? I'd like for them to record. I can wait for the tour to follow.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 06:32:39 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

@Sharkville:

Yeah I am pretty impressed with the "Harlan Post" bass stuff on SC, Don did a fine job there!


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 06:31:11 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

Regarding Kamakiriad:

When released in 1993 I thought of it as "SD/DF lite" and could hardly listen to it. Too simple and too joyful or something.

But in time I have learned to appreciate it, and I really don't think it is that bad at all. In fact it has some very good tunes, like Florida Room, Countermoon and Tomorrow's Girls. They are classics in my book.

Not many memorable solos though, just like Morph. I think Sunken Condos is better that way, lots of interesting bluesy/jazzy guitar solos.


I don't think we will ever get another "Aja" from either Don or Walt though. They had a much bigger recording budget back then, this made it a lot easier to get the right players for each track and experiment with that.

Nowadays Don and Walt have to rely on a much smaller group of versatile players, and make the best of that. And I think on SC Don really made the best of it! The only thing I don't like is the sound of the drums on certain tracks, but the rest of it is perfect to me.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 03:55:42 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Shark, I think Jay Leonhart plays acoustic bass on The New Breed, as well as whatever kind of bass Harlan Post is playing.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 03:35:41 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

Another positive SC review:

"But apart from that tribute to Hayes, Fagen is mainly painting in familiar colors, and as long as he can do songs as bright and impeccable as “Miss Marlene,” he can use those colors as much as he wants."

Read more: http://newsok.com/music-review-donald-fagen-sunken-condos/article/3719958#ixzz2ACRRraSh


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 01:33:44 ET
Posted by: shark DeVille, still bowlin'

so Donald played the bass parts on

INTSWY
New Breed
Marlene
Good Stuff

righteous! sounds fucking killer.


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 00:50:00 ET
Posted by: Drjay, GiantSF

Oops that is the Isaac Hayes track.That explains it


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 00:47:06 ET
Posted by: Drjay, GiantSF

Got the cd yesterday-Loving it.Does Out of the Ghetto sound like Disco Inferno to anyone else?


Date: Wed, October 24, 2012, 00:14:46 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

At some point, I'll do a song by song, as many others have done here, on Sunken Condos.

Wanted to say now though that the experience of listening to the album start to finish (a lot) reminds me of old times. I'm not skipping past songs. It's like LP days where I had to cross the room to lift the needle. So I've invoked the turntable philosophy, for a now anyway. It just seems to play well as an album.

And I'm considering singles. Which song should be the lead single, and so on. For some reason, Memorabilia triggered this kind of thinking. There's the uptempo stuff like INTSWY and Out of the Ghetto, then Memorabilia and suddenly the album appears to have huge appeal, like the strong albums from the 70s that were full of quality songs, including a few that might be ballads or were just somehow quirky.

And I'm listening to the Harlan Post bass stuff. Seriously, that's DF's bass, of some kind, on Miss Marlene ? Righteous !


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 22:35:39 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

some news from the cathedral


http://www.classichitsandoldies.com/v2/2012/10/23/donald-fagen-talks-new-solo-album-says-steely-dan-are-planning-to-record-and-tour-again/



Regarding the unusual title of the album, Fagen reveals that it was partly inspired by The Sunken Cathedral, a piece by classical French composer Claude Debussy.

“It kinda works on different levels…sort of sociopolitical, considering the economic situation and so on,” he explains. “Also, it’s kind of a good metaphor for the way I was feeling at the time. I just had this kind of vision of these condos under water.”


As for his day job, Fagen reveals that he and his Steely Dan partner Walter Becker are “talking about doing an album or else probably going on tour next summer.”

What might the next Dan record sound like? Fagen says, “Generally speaking, my solo albums, Walter’s solo albums and Steely Dan [are] in the same general area.” He adds, however, that “lately, we’ve been talking about doing something different, but I’m not sure what that’s gonna be yet.”



Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 22:03:53 ET
Posted by: SteelyDon, Jacksonville

Thanks DeaconBlue16...

DF is still kicking butt on Itunes in the US. He has the #1 rock album on Itunes. #1 album in Japan and funny enough Nightfly is #7 in Japan.

So I have high hopes that this album will chart on the Billboard


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 21:56:14 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

SteelyDON

After doing some research (meaning going to wikipedia), I think the new Billboard album information won't be released until Thursday:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_200

From the above article:

"The chart is based solely on sales (both at retail and digitally) of albums in the United States. The sales tracking week begins on Monday and ends on Sunday. A new chart is published the following Thursday with an issue date of the Saturday of the following week.

Example:
Monday January 1 – sales tracking week begins
Sunday January 7 – sales tracking week ends
Thursday January 11 – new chart published, with issue date of Saturday January 20."

So I guess if the sales for Sunken Condos from this past Tuesday 10/16 until this past Sunday 10/21 were enough to chart, we'll find out Thursday. (I'm not sure what the issue date means exactly, but the next Sunday and, therefore the issue date, would be 11/4).


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 21:49:21 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

X Factor, for me Kama is an on/off relationship.

I've never owned the red book cd, just the gold promotional copy and the DVD-A. So, it has always sounded great to my ears. The 5.1 mix is superb and the hi Rez stereo is sublime.

I'm not always in the mood for the songs though. It's like Morph that way for me. I think I'm about due for a good long visit again with Kama though. I especially like Springtime, On the Dunes, Tomorrow's Girls and Florida Room.


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 20:59:40 ET
Posted by: The A Side,

The A Side of Sunken Condos is the best of all Post 2000 Steely Dan, Fagen and Becker output.


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 20:56:30 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

My one buddy called me a few hours ago. He was listening to some jazz station coming back to Buffalo from Syracuse, NY and he said he heard a song from 'that Steely Dan dude'. He's a fan of some of their stuff but he knows nothing of Fagen's solo work. But he said he heard something called "The Goodbye Look" and thought it was amazing.

I just gave him a listen to The Nightfly in its entirety. Needless to say, his mind was officially blown.


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 20:16:24 ET
Posted by: SteelyDON, Jacksonville, FL

I was checking Billboard.com and I can't believe that SC has not charted? Surely this is a mistake? Does anyone have any information on this?


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 19:23:54 ET
Posted by: Arg, drat

Took SC out of the disc player last night after a strong week of listening, gotta (hate to) say I'm a little disappointed. I posted earlier that I'm aware that Dan-related stuff takes a while to bond with, and that this was the first album since becoming a fan around the time of 2vN that I hadn't pre-listened to prior to release, but nothing really clicked with me on an emotional level with this disc in the way the two Dan albums or four post-Nightfly solo releases did.

Bummer, really. I hope I come back to it, but it just didn't really floor me in ways that Morph or Kamakiriad did almost immediately. Of course, I'm the weirdo that rates Kamakiriad as his favorite Fagen solo effort, and even probably Morph ahead of Nightfly (it's less consistent than Nightfly, but the highs in the ballads on Morph really get to me).

Very happy that Donald and Michael put this out, but sadly it's not holding up.

Also kind of bummed that I haven't had an internet connection all day and this is the first thing I logged on to write.


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 18:15:42 ET
Posted by: Vladimir, Minsk again

Mr. X-Factory, Vlad says you are with the right for high sayings of Kama. In Russia the Kama is better than the Morph. Vlad now says of Sunken Condoms that some of them songs listen good at the one time through and some of them songs are making Vlad be working to be inside of them. Mr. Donald Fagen never lets us off the easy way but he makes it worth our while.

Vlad outs!


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 18:09:02 ET
Posted by: A, Fan

Klaus & Rooster wrote:

'Also is "Good Stuff" verse almost a direct copy of "Big Noise New York" verses (first half)?"


I picked this up listening today and scrolled back to see if anyone else besides me thought so.


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 17:57:49 ET
Posted by: colonelhall, London

I think that it is going too far to speculate on a greatest hits type album for Donald Fagen. "The Nightfly" is a wonderful thing and should not be split up. There is no way that I could envisage relegating one single track to a volume 2. Similarly with Kamakiriad. I listened to it a few times this weekend and was impressed with the way that it stands alone as a complete work of art. As i have said before, I have reservations about the production values and would be intrigued to hear the same songs produced in the style of the new offering.
For me, Morph The Cat is the album that I play least often. The two stand out tracks are Mary and Mona, which I would happily merge into an expanded edition of Sunken Condos.


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 17:37:24 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

X-Factor, it's interesting you bring that up because I think Kamakiriad has fallen to my least favorite DF album for now, but I think I need to revisit it more thoroughly before judging it as so. I think it's a collection of really good songs, but right now, I honestly think my favorites from Kamakiriad don't really compare to my favorites from The Nightfly, Moprh the Cat, and even Sunken Condos already. To me, it's a really fun and nice-groove album, but it doesn't have a lot of the emotional impact as some of the other albums in my opinion. I think it's the most conceptual album, so it probably goes better as a whole than as a collection of parts. Like I said, I really need to revisit as a whole, too.

I decided to make a 3 album set:

GREATEST

1. Slinky Thing
2. I.G.Y.
3. Miss Marlene
4. Maxine
5. What I Do
6. The Nightfly
7. The Night Belongs to Mona
8. The Goodbye Look
9. Weather in My Head
10. Snowbound
11. New Frontier
12. The Great Pagoda of Funn

Awesome 2nd place

1. Morph the Cat
2. I'm Not the Same Without You
3. Green Flower Street
4. Walk Between the Raindrops
5. Countermoon
6. Memorabilia
7. Ruby Baby
8. Florida Room
9. Good Stuff
10. Mary Shut the Garden Door
11. Out of the Ghetto
12. Teahouse on the Tracks
13. Morph the Cat (Reprise)

Still Awesome 3rd Place

1. Trans-Island Skyway
2. H Gang
3. Brite Nitegown
4. Tomorrow's Girls
5. The New Breed
6. On the Dunes
7. Security Joan
8. Springtime
9. Planet D'Rhonda

Also, does anyone want to extend this activity to Two Against Nature and Everything Must Go? I found that besides the songs that are among my favorites from each respective album (Almost Gothic, Everything Must Go etc) that my next tier of songs was much closer in terms of personal preference and therefore harder to distinguish into two albums. But I'll still give it a shot:

1. Gaslighting Abbie
2. Two Against Nature
3. The Last Mall
4. Almost Gothic
5. Blues Beach
6. Janie Runaway
7. Everything Must Go
8. Lunch with Gina
9. West of Hollywood

1. Cousin Dupree
2. Godwhacker
3. What A Shame About Me
4. Green Book
5. Slang of Ages
6. Negative Girl
7. Pixeleen
8. Things I Miss the Most
9. Jack of Speed

Songs like Cousin Dupree, Godwhacker, What A Shame About Me, Things I Miss the Most, and Jack of Speed could've easily made the first album. The only songs definitely on the second album for me are Green Book, Slang of Ages, Negative Girl, and Pixeleen.


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 17:24:06 ET
Posted by: ted,

Kamakiriad is a very good record. Kamakiriad in 5.1 is an amazing record!


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 16:35:08 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

Actually, I wanted to bring up what appears to be rather lackluster enthusiasm for Kamakiriad. That appears to be the consensus "worst" (if you can say that) DF album. I find this really interesting as it might be my favorite, easily ahead of Morph for me and (this may be blasphemy to some) narrowly edging out The Nightfly. What do people think of Kamakiriad?


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 15:57:25 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

I've seen this idea played out on other forums... I'll take a shot.

1. I.G.Y.
2. Green Flower Street
3. New Frontier
4. The Goodbye Look
5. The Nightfly
6. Florida Room
7. Tomorrow's Girls
8. Morph the Cat
9. What I Do
10. The Great Pagoda of Funn
11. The Night Belongs to Mona
12. Slinky Thing
13. The New Breed
14. Miss Marlene

I'm going to have to listen to Kamakiriad again... it's obviously been a while.

But that's 78 minutes. Fits perfectly on a blank CD.


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 15:37:02 ET
Posted by: SoulMonkey, Louisville, Ky

My top notch Donald offering would include:

1. I.G.Y.
2. Slinky Thing
3. On The Dunes
4. Mary Shut The Garden Door
5. Good Stuff
6. The Goodbye Look
7. Miss Marlene
8. The Night Belongs To Mona
9. Snowbound
10. Memorabilia
11. New Frontier


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 15:16:41 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

Let's go a little deeper:

Four DF Solo albums, take the 34 songs and create three or four albums "great" to "okay"

Great Album:

1. Slinky Thing
2. IGY
3. Countermoon
4. Green Flower Street
5. Miss Marlene
6. Great Pagoda of Funn
7. Trans-Island Skyway
8. The Nightfly
9. Snowbound

Almost as great album:

1. New Frontier
2. The Night Belongs to Mona
3. Weather In My Head
4. Tomorrow's Girls
5. What I Do
6. The New Breed
7. Walk Between Raindrops
8. Springtime
9. The Goodbye Look

Pretty good double album:

Side 1
1. Morph The Cat
2. I'm Not The Same Without You
3. Florida Room
4. Maxine
5. Mary Shut The Garden Door
6. On The Dunes
7. Brite Nightgown
8. Planet D'Rhonda

Side 2
1. Good Stuff
2. Security Joan
3. Ruby Baby
4. H Gang
5. Out Of The Ghetto
6. Memorabilia
7. Teahouse On The Tracks
8. Morph The Cat (Reprise)


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 13:18:59 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

Hoops, I've emailed you about getting the newsletter, but I haven't heard back. I used to get the newsletters to both my email addresses, now I don't get to either (I do check spam). I would like to get them again. Please help. I've re-signed up via the official sign-up page on the website. But I think I missed this most recent one. Anyway I can still get it? bborne2888 AT yahoo DOT COM.

Thanks!
Aja1


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 13:12:48 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

Thx, Carl, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
So you like a little more than me at this point,s.f.w.!


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 11:29:32 ET
Posted by: Steely Joe, philly

I just love this cd, its so infectious

I cannot stop listening......


My 14 yr old son loves Good Stuff


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 11:23:20 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Ooops!

9. Miss Marlene.


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 11:08:33 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Thanks for all the compilation offerings folks.Makes for some very interesting listening.

Here's my tuppence worth:

1. Slinky Thing
2. The Night Belongs To Mona
3. Memorabilia
4, Mary Shut The Garden Gate
5. Weather In My Head
6. Planet d'Rhonda
7. Out Of The Ghetto
8. H Gang


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 10:49:26 ET
Posted by: Carl,

I bought the disc exactly a week ago, and I have listened to it at least twice a day. I LOVE every song So an early review would be above
Karma, Morph and on par with Nightfly. (subject not to change)
DONE BABBLING


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 08:34:39 ET
Posted by: DYLYNFAN, HARRISBURG PA

I bought the disc exactly a week ago, (hadnt heard it at all before)
and I have listened to it at least once a day. I LIKE every song
but so far dont LOVE any of them. So an early review would be above
Karma, and below Morph and Nightfly. (subject to change) I initally
HATED Morph, and now it is among my favorites including all Dan.
DONE BABBLING


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 07:28:40 ET
Posted by: colonel hall, London

O.k. I'm in!
1. Slinky Thing
2. New Breed
3. Night Belongs To Mona
4. Not The Same
5. Mary Shut The Garden Door
6. Miss Marlene
7. Planet D'rhonda
8. Good Stuf
9. Memorabilia


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 06:30:38 ET
Posted by: Snake Mary,

Guys, When does the new Billboard Albums Chart come out?


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 04:22:55 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, 11 or more tracks of Wack

Jeff Wack, the illustrator behind the SC cover image:

http://www.debutart.com/illustration/jeff-wack?page=0#/illustration


Date: Tues, October 23, 2012, 01:11:28 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

I wanna play!!

Great Album:

1. Slinky Thing - what everyone else said. This song is sensational, and I agree with whomever below that I wish the ending lasted forever.
2. Bright Nightgown - My only complaint with this song is that I think it's a little too long.
3. Weather In My Head - debating where to put this one on this album
4. The Night Belongs to Mona - LOVE the groove here
5. Miss Marlene - great, great song
6. What I Do - another one, continuing the groove
7. The New Breed - classic, 2VN era song. Also very groovy
8. The Great Pagoda Of Funn - This and MM are the highlights of the album
9. Planet D'Rhonda - This song has really grown on me. The harmonies in the chorus are unbelieveable.

Very Good Album:

1. Morph The Cat
2. I'm Not The Same Without You
3. Mary Shut The Garden Door
4. Memorabilia
5. Security Joan
6. Good Stuff
7. H Gang
8. Out Of The Ghetto
9. Morph The Cat (Reprise)

Ooh man, just looking at that great album, the groove from Mona to Miss Marlene to What I Do to The New Breed to Great Pagoda is giving me chills.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 23:51:05 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

I have been following some of this but could that Jim (on a deadly spree) be Cap'n James T. Kirk, our own William Shatner, no?

Beaming up and down to Planet D'Rhonda since he was maybe tired of boning Lt. Uhuru?


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 23:24:30 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

Jives, I actually was kind of thinking about something like this today, so I'm really glad you posted it, and I'm glad I can participate in this activity. I'm going to include all the tracks on each album, so a 9 song GREAT, possibly on the level of Aja and The Nightfly album, and a 9 song still really good but not as good album. Basically, it's my 9 favorites on the "great" one and 9 other good songs on the not-as-great one. Of course, I'm still not sure Sunken Condos has sunk in completely yet, and my opinion on individual songs may change (although there are songs on SC that I can already tell will be among my all time favorites). I think I'm pretty set on Morph, but I'm sure I could potentially change my mind on individual songs in the future as well.

GREAT album (not in any particular order in terms of favorites at least)

1. Slinky Thing - as M/O/D/P said, "an All-Time great leadoff track." This song has quickly become one of my all time favorites in the SD/Fagen collection, which is saying a lot. I wish the outro would continue for eternity. This has become my favorite off Sunken Condos, and I just love this song.
2. Memorabilia
3. The Night Belongs to Mona-my favorite from Morph the Cat. Really powerful song to me; "Things don't seem as dark when you're already dressed in black" is one of my all time favorite lines.
4. Weather in My Head
5. What I Do
6. I'm Not the Same Without You
7. Out of the Ghetto
8. Miss Marlene
9. The Great Pagoda of Funn - probably my 2nd favorite tune from each album respectively (Miss Marlene and this one) to close the album, I think Great Pagoda gives it a really contemplative and haunting ending.

Backup Album

1. Morph the Cat - I like the title track of MTC enough to have included on the first album, but I couldn't separate it from the reprise, and there wasn't enough room for both of them.
2. Good Stuff - I had a hard time deciding between this one and Out of the Ghetto to include as my final song on the first album, but I went with Out of the Ghetto to give the first one a little more variety. But l like this song as much as Out of the Ghetto, if not more.
3. Brite Nitegown
4. Mary Shut the Garden Door
5. The New Breed
6. H Gang
7. Security Joan
8. Planet D'Rhonda
9. Morph the Cat (Reprise)


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 23:23:49 ET
Posted by: Hutch, headphones on

Okay, DF sings "released the red ball". It's an error at the printer I guess. It's happened before.

Once you get in the right frame of mind with the headphones, this thing is amazing. The space in the mix is so cool.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 22:46:19 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

"everyone accuses Don of trying to be like Ray"

And/or Ellington.


I'm with you M/O/D/P. I think they are both Great, not good, albums.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 22:29:53 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

The Dean - Makes you wonder if the narrator in a few of the songs is a Black guy. I mean.. everyone accuses Don of trying to be like Ray!


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 22:28:51 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, "It`s a Masterpiece"

Jives, there is most definitely a GREAT album (as in, "One For The Ages") to be had from the combinbation of the two most recent DF offerings. Since, personally, I love all of the tunes on both Morph and Condos, I'm really not the best person to put in charge of the editing job. But...how about a two-CD set? - re-re-remastered, with "deluxe packaging", and packed with outtakes & "bonus tracks"...as follows:

CD 1: "Sunken Cat" (aka "Morph the Condos")

1. Slinky Thing (just an All Time Great lead-off track, really, no?)
2. What I Do
3. Brite Nightgown
4. Memorabilia
5. The Great Pagoda of Funn
6. Good Stuff
7. Security Joan
8. The New Breed
9. Miss Marlene (ends the album you want to never end)

CD 2: "Solid Gold Cutting-Room Floor"

1. Morph The Cat
2. I'm Not the Same Without You ("It's a long-lost rarity now"...so the oh-so-kewl naysayers can finally love it!)
3. Weather In My Head
4. The Night Belongs To Mona
5. Out Of The Ghetto (My party friends can't friggin' believe I put this on the "bonus" CD!)
6. Planet D'Rhonda
7. Mary Shut The Garden Door
8. Morph The Cat (reprise)

The two CD set comes with a small, beige-coloured insert card with a printed URL "link" to download the song "H Gang" in either FLAC or MP3 format as a "special bonus track". Is it worth the effort? You decide.

Of course, since all of the songs mentioned above are at least extraordinarily good ("at least"), the tunes from CD #1 are mostly interchangeable with the ones from CD #2, depending on the listener's mood, the time of day, or the prevailing weather patterns at listening time. Your combination's as good as mine - possibly better. The point is, Los Abuelos Anejo is a damned fine tequila.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 22:21:05 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Hutch, I think you are probably right regarding New Breed. I may have reached the same conclusion if the lyric had been in Out of the Ghetto or Planet D'Ronda (or maybe even Good Stuff). I guess I really didn't get that slang vibe in New Breed--still it makes some sense.

I didn't even notice " "When she release the red ball" in Miss Marlene. Good catch!


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 21:51:18 ET
Posted by: Hutch, ..under water

Carl - Donald said in an interview that he thought of the title "Sunken Condos" after recalling Debussy's "Sunken Cathedral". I was looking for the piece on youtube since I wasn't familiar with it and stumbled on this version. If you go past the commercial and the title sequence the painting of the cathedral looks remarkably like the SC cover. Same angle looking up toward the surface of the sea. Interesting. Made me wonder if it's the same artist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAVyKDDsM3s&feature=related



We were talking about some of the pronunciations a little while back.
"You the new breed alright" versus "You're the new breed alright".
Dropping the 're is a form of Black slang. Imagine a gangsta movie and the guy says, "Yeah... you da new breed alright".
But I still dig the "yer" pronunciation on the rest of the lines. It invokes a measure of sarcasm and disdain.

Also, on MM.. "When she release the red ball" is what's sung (and written) versus "When she released the red ball".

On "Good Stuff" ... I wonder if Don's been watching those episodes of Boardwalk Empire. The production values of that TV series are on par with the perfection our heroes love so well.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 21:48:48 ET
Posted by: Shark DeVille, lovely island

Hoops... how much are you loving all the namedrops on Condos? not only Jim (on a deadly spree) but Marlene's earrings too! well done sir.

I'm glad I waited to post my review on Amazon... my two least favorites at first have become my go-to tracks: New Breed and Good Stuff. like all Don/Dan, you gotta live with these tunes for awhile. they creep into your psyche and reveal themselves over time... good stuff indeed.

i keep wondering about the lost track though. didn't Leonhart say they had one more in the can?


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 21:40:35 ET
Posted by: Jon , @ stripe

Hey, Stacey's Mom, you got it going on. But if you could search back to day 1 of this site you'd stumble on years of clever, quality, and often hysterically funny posts from me that brought joy to dozens of adoring fellow danfans. Go ahead check it out. Lots of us just checked out of here a while ago. I checked back in because new Don release was a milestone event and I wanted to share some joy with those of my kind. I dismissed comments that trashed SC as laughable and meant solely to provoke, which they did--but not me. I'm troll-proof. So yeah, I just came out of the woodwork to agree with EC. But I had to be sure he gave FoW a chance. THAT'S how great I think they are!


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 21:26:05 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, "It's Party Time!"

On Sunday night, we had a bit of a get-together here. Eleven friends/friends-of-friends, some BBQ food, some Happy Juice, and some new music. I'll give ya three guesses as to what was played (read "forced upon the unsuspecting crowd")- first, last, and in the middle - and the first two guesses, as usual, don't count.

The consensus, from a group of (mostly) non-DanFans, was overwhelmingly enthusiastic! After an initial run-through, virtually everyone said, "Hey, put that new Fagen thing on again". The favourite, by a sea-hair [sic], was, shockingly (to me, anyways), Out Of The Ghetto. Nobody in the room was old enough/knowledgeable enough to label the song as an Isaac Hayes cover of a tune from '78, and when I brought this up most just said, "Who cares, it's a great song!". Everyone loved "Weather", some asked for a re-repeat of Not The Same, and two loud-voiced loudmouths loudly proclaimed "Slinky Thing" as the best track on the whole thing, and could they please hear it again, again? Surprisingly, Marlene (my personal fave) wasn't centred out by anyone. Go figure. The age range of the group was 22 - 52, with a near 50/50 boy-girl mix, and with the younger set being better represented in the numbers. I'm now down to one CD copy of my own...I started the evening off with five..."Give the gift of music"...

Curiously, no-one in attendance used the phrases, "Filler upon filler", "Just bad bad bad", or "Easily the worst album I've heard in years", and no-one even mentioned musical luminaries like "Bruuuuuuce" or "Kiss". Curiously.

I'm gonna do it again, next Sunday, with another group of potential Sunken Condos lovers...and another batch of $9.99 CDs. 'Cause the music lasts longer than two five dollar beers.

M/O/D/P
ps - "No offense to beer, we understand".


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 21:11:34 ET
Posted by: Dan Belcher, Louisville, KY

Redfoot -- I'm listening to it right now and don't hear any squeaking sound. Not sure what is catching your ear.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 21:06:29 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Stacy's Mom says "I have not seen anything of use from either of you, ever."

Same could be said of Stacy's Mom. no? I looked back about a year and not one post from Stacy's Mom other than the one tonight. And the one post tonight adds NOTHING to the Dan/Don conversation.

Thank you Snake Mary for providing the original Debussy quote from Donald. Pretty cool. And the picture Hutch dug up (in the video) of The Sunken Cathedral looks like an influence as well.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 21:03:54 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Ok,i'll play Devil's advocate here...

Between Morph and Sunken Condos there is,arguably,one great album.

Two very good albums,just not 2 great albums.

Discuss,with relevant track listings for ONE great album..:.)


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 21:01:58 ET
Posted by: Redfoot, Texas

I'm digging SC but there is one thing that is bothering me on "The New Breed". I'm hearing a high pitched random noise/squeak throughout the song. I don't think its an instrument and its not in rhythm with the music.

It almost reminds me of the squeaky bass drum pedal on Led Zeppelin's "Since I've Been Loving You".

Anyone else notice this?


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 20:24:16 ET
Posted by: Stacy's Mom,

hey Jon and your stripe

Now Boys you and EC and your likes hide in the woodwork and say you are long timers. You come out only to attack dissenters like Young Wu.

I have not seen anything of use from either of you, ever. As long timers use your vast Steely Dan knowledge and put something up here instead of spending two hours digging up, cutting and pasting a month of someone's comments.

Now go to your rooms without supper!


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 20:01:54 ET
Posted by: Jon, @ his stripe

Hey, EC, long-timer too and I agree with all your comments, but give FoW a fair listen. Much of what I love about Dan/Don this band embodies.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 18:59:49 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

DUKES OF SEPTEMBER
David H. Koch Theater
Lincoln Center, NYC
Friday November 16 at 8 p.m.

Anyone can become a memebr of WNET
for $60 and tickets are ONLY $30!!!!
First come, first served:

https://secure2.convio.net/wnet/site/Ecommerce?store_id=1141&VIEW_CATALOG=true&FOLDER=0&TYPE=Dukes%20of%20September&NAME=&s_src=ALW13WS01001&s_subsrc=hub&JServSessionIdr004=n8oi8wqh67.app245a


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 18:54:46 ET
Posted by: a public service message,

Mitt Romney when elected might cancel PBS.

Support PBS, or at least until Dukes or solo Fagen show appears.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 18:09:41 ET
Posted by: leftover , meatloaf

Sunken Condos 9 songs

Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad. Means three skip over songs left over.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 17:44:23 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Still Drinkin'

One quick note to those outside of NYC or the USA. PGE posted this from NYC's public tv station:

"In a special concert exclusively for THIRTEEN Members, music legends Donald Fagen (Steely Dan), Michael MacDonald (Doobie Brothers) and Boz Scaggs will dazzle you with an evening of classic rock 'n roll, soul and R&B hits!"

Just in case you were wondering, this doesn't mean it is only for 13 people. It means it's for members of WNET (channel 13 in NYC). I'm sure most of you realized this--but just in case.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 17:38:41 ET
Posted by: The One & Only Lurker Ray, SoBe

Though I do think Sunken Condos is

"All Killer With No Filler"

Lincoln Center sounds like a blast.

Thanks for the info steelydoc!


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 17:27:32 ET
Posted by: Lurker, Not

Every song on SC is good. Case closed!


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 16:52:37 ET
Posted by: R. Serling,



Case in point, a young Mr. Young Wu, who was said to have prematurely defecated all over a certain musical piece by a certain revered musician known in some circles as DF, Who angered an anonymous lurking poster known as EC who took great pains to research and copy every critical statement made by Mr.Young Wu. and hold him in utter contempt of that DF reverence.

(the Stars Switch On, camera pans upward)

Yes, Mr. Young Wu. who can now be found in the file under "H" as in Hoist by one's own Petard. Tonight's lesson from whomever you might piss off In the "Blue Zone".,...


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 16:43:42 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Haha, Dean. I know you're right, intellectually. But then my animalistic misanthropic id emerges and I just can't resist it.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 16:43:35 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



SC has been a top 5'er for over a week now. This bodes well for a good showing on Billboard.


Wu: With all due respect, you've stated your case. Based upon your responses here, this doesn't appear to be the right venue for you with we burnt out hippies and dinosaurs.


This is a sparkling effort by Donald Fagen and it's reflected by the overall rating of 4.6 (hmmm, I wonder how it could be higher? ;) ) on amazon.com




Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 16:41:49 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Thank You X-Factor! I really appreciate that mature take on it.
The nice thing is, most people on this site are like you. Just a couple stinkers.

And I like the album, I just don't love it. People are acting like I'm trying to get "tough legislation" passed to make it illegal to listen to it.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 16:38:31 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. It's Happy Hour!

Regarding 192khz audio:

http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

No I haven't read the entire article and there really is no point here other than to demonstrate I can Google esoteric audio bullshit (and even peruse it) while enjoying a delicious adult beverage at a lovely outdoor bar here in St Augustine Beach.

Seriously though, there has to be a point where all of this simply becomes an exercise in futility--and who can spend more money on equipment. I actually have a 5.1 system, but have only ever set up the stereo stuff. Mostly because I am incredibly lazy and have limited space, but also because the stereo sounds pretty fucking good. I have been meaning to set up the 5.1 to hear the 5.1 mastered Morph which I hear is great--but as I have already said, I'm lazy.

My young friend of Wu. No need to respond (aggressively) at every perceived slight. I'm not even sure Carl was attacking you. Smoke a bowl, have a drink. Listen to some reggae.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 16:37:36 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

Let's calm down on the Wu bashing. He came on here to express his opinion, just because you don't agree doesn't make him a terrible person. I personally LOVE the album, but who cares if he doesn't. He's being reasonable and giving his honest opinion of the record - even though it's not his favorite thing ever - and for that I think he deserves credit.

At the end of the day, it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the album at all, so I couldn't care less whether anyone else likes it or not. I'd like enough people to buy it so that DF tours with it, but other than that it doesn't affect me personally. I would hope that it starts to grow on the people that don't like it so much, because let's face it: this could be the very last album that SD/DF come out with... it's not like disliking it is going to make it any better. This is what we have, I hope people find a way to fit it into the canon.

Again, thanks for giving your opinion, Wu, even though I disagree :)


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 16:18:17 ET
Posted by: JungleMusic, Lund

Aja1, the tracks can be bought in 24 bit 88.2 khz. That's pretty high resolution. Or were you hoping for 192?


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 16:08:44 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

I mean, I was getting shit because I was expressing joy for the new album selling well! That's downright strange, baby.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 16:06:51 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

This really is an exceptional case... people whining because not everyone LOVES a new album. I mean, I've never seen such visceral reactions for any new release from any artist I enjoy. It's embarrassing.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 15:46:45 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

Initially I was hoping for a high resolution or multi-channel release for the album, but if I'm honest with myeself, I prefer these days to hear it in just good 2 channel format. So I'm content with the cd and vinyl releases.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 15:13:32 ET
Posted by: PGE, Looking for SACD or DVD-Audio or 5.1 Sunken Condos?

@Lonny (and all others posting questions about a 5.1 DVD-A or SACD version of Sunken Condos:

"One version was mastered for iTunes, another for the clear-vinyl double LP that will come out as well (though fans of 5.1 surround mixes shouldn't hold their breath, as Fagen has soured on the format). "It doesn't matter anyway. Everybody listens to it on those terrible computer speakers anyway," Fagen said, only half-jokingly."


Quote from this article:
http://music.msn.com/donald-fagen/story/interview/

Of course they might go back and do a mix, but it doesn't look like a high priority for now.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 14:22:05 ET
Posted by: EC, NY

Look, Mr. Young Wu, YOU'RE the one who came here and crapped all over INTSWY as soon as it hit the previews. YOU'RE the one who dumped on the 30 second samples right off the bat. YOU said:

"It all sounds so mediocre and soulless"

"Not really looking forward to this one at all"

"Really embarrassing"

"The music itself sounds lifeless"

"The music, the melody, the lyrics...I don't like any of it. Just bad bad bad."

"It's filler upon filler"

"The music sounds like those generic jazzy selections that sometimes come with certain music players. Like "Jazz Groove" from Corel Sample Software. IMO, there's little difference between that and these 30 second clips of Fagen's new stuff."

"Ridiculously uninteresting and extraordinary generic."

...and so on. BEFORE you'd even heard the full songs.

Not a measured, "I'm not sure, I'll wait until I've digested the complete songs". No - a wholesale condemnation of the music based on lowfi 30 second samples.

And YOUR knee jerk "Amazon" review rates this new Fagen album, at 3 stars, well below repetitive & musically simplistic stuff from Springsteen and something called "Fountains of Wayne" (huh??), both of which get rave reviews and 5 stars from you.

Instead of continuing to call people childish, insulting names, why not take your lumps with some silence and a bit of dignity.

From a long time reader, rarely a poster, and not "anonymous".


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 12:46:26 ET
Posted by: Lonny, Brooklyn

No DVD-Audio or SACD release of SC yet?!?!?


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 12:44:54 ET
Posted by: Snake Mary,

DF: I didn't think any of the individual songs had a title that worked for an album title, so I needed something suitably apocalyptic. I remembered there's a piece by Debussy called "Sunken Cathedrals," so I just updated it and came up with "Sunken Condos," which, I think, could be appreciated on different levels. You can associate it with the economic problems in the world now, the sociological problems in the world, and also my own personal situation. In other words, it's really about getting older and maybe facing some of the realities of life. I'm sixty-four now.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 12:21:38 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Wow, Carl... you're such a small-minded prick. Even though I don't like it as much as everyone else, it's still a new release by one of the members of my all time favorite bands, so obviously I want it to do well.

And you're so brave posting an anonymous post and putting your e-mail address as "bone".

Whatever. Just enjoy the album, and stop worrying about what everyone else thinks about it.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 12:16:39 ET
Posted by: Carl, c

Young Wu- If everybody felt like you did about SC it wouldn't be selling at all!

Hutch - I don't get the Debussy link you put up. What is that about?


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 11:59:32 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Sunken Condos now in the top 5 best sellers on Amazon for music.

Love seeing a Fagen album selling so well.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 11:56:53 ET
Posted by: PGE, @steelydoc

https://secure2.convio.net/wnet/site/Ecommerce?store_id=1141&VIEW_CATALOG=true&FOLDER=0&TYPE=Dukes%20of%20September&NAME=&s_src=ALW13WS01001&s_subsrc=dukesrdrct

"In a special concert exclusively for THIRTEEN Members, music legends Donald Fagen (Steely Dan), Michael MacDonald (Doobie Brothers) and Boz Scaggs will dazzle you with an evening of classic rock 'n roll, soul and R&B hits! Hear the Dukes of September Rhythm Revue at the David H. Koch Theater at Lincoln Center! PLEASE NOTE THAT SEATS WILL BE ASSIGNED ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED BASIS."

Yep, it sure looks like it is the PBS- recording mentioned in this article:

http://b1027.com/rock-report-donald-fagen-looking-ahead/

"After the success of this past summer’s Dukes of September shows with Michael McDonald and Boz Scaggs, Donald Fagen says its next stop could be PBS. He says instead of releasing a CD or DVD right away, the guys are talking to public TV about it airing as a Great Performances special — likely for use in one of their pledge drives.

Donald Fagen says the summer 2012 Dukes of September tour will likely be seen as a PBS special instead of a DVD."


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 11:52:28 ET
Posted by: ,

I have the cd and listen to it in apple lossless format. Should I get the 24 bit FLAC? Does it sound different on good headphones? is hdtracks.com the place to get it in the states? thanks.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 11:47:46 ET
Posted by: steelydoc, Near the tower

The Dukes are performing at Lincoln Center on 11/16. Tix are $30 for PBS members. Someone just emailed this to the NYC Dandom mailing list.

Sounds like a DVD taping to me...


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 11:21:13 ET
Posted by: PGE, On the radio

After hearing that YouTube clip of Donald reacting to Japanese cover band Steely Shodan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTNTKYXTvZA

I went looking for the complete interview. Haven't found it anywhere official (as in completely legal) but learned at least one new thing listening to the full 20 minutes:

Donald's collected articles/essays could be published by Viking/Penguin in 2013.

Steely Dan touring next summer was mentioned again as well as the possibility of a DF solo tour depending on how Sunken Condos does.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 11:04:06 ET
Posted by: sharkboy, sunkville

anybody got any chords to these songs yet?


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 10:15:18 ET
Posted by: The X Factor, Minneapolis

FYI to everyone waiting for their vinyl copies of Sunken Condos: I got an email from Best Buy that my copy shipped this morning.


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 09:53:52 ET
Posted by: Hutch,

Hmmmm.... check out the associated artwork.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAVyKDDsM3s&feature=related


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 09:24:18 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Lovely Island, I did read one quick response by Don regarding the title of the new one (don't have time this AM to go fishing for the article).

He said something about the economic issue, but the most memorable thing he said (at least to me) was it was an homage of sorts to Debussy's The Sunken Cathedral (La cathédrale engloutie).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_cath%C3%A9drale_engloutie


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 08:10:46 ET
Posted by: Lovely, Island

Has DF been asked in an interview about the title of the new one?


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 08:10:07 ET
Posted by: ted,

Chris - Funny, I haven't seen/heard any of those criticisms that you talk about. A Mick Jaggar solo record will sound like the Rolling Stones, a Roger Daltry solo record will sound like The Who....and drum roll plesae.....a Donald Fagen solo record will sound like Steely Dan! This ain't brain surgery here folks!


Date: Mon, October 22, 2012, 07:56:58 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

Wanted to point out that the hilariously awkward/random/sweet Everything Must Go cab documentary is on YouTube. Grab it before it goes down!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dimyNC1BytY

My goodness, what a treat that album is.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 23:28:45 ET
Posted by: Jon, Stripe

Still got it, Ole. Love the nephew Bobby angle!


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 23:16:04 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,

eye yi yi:

It's not that Weather is or is not the most radio-friendly tune on SC or that others haven not suggested that it could be a hit. It's that

(a) it's not close to the consensus best tune on the album among the fandom

and more relevantly

(b) it would be a shocker if Mr. Fagen would have a tune played on the radio and score a hit, particularly given the lack or absence of promotion by Warner Bros.

but it just might happen

top Fagen downloads

Weather
IGY
Miss Marlene
I'm not the Same Without You



Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 22:53:29 ET
Posted by: hoops, chicago

The latest edition of the Dandom Digest was just mailed a few minutes ago. This one covered posts for October 17-21, 2012. (The previous Dandom Digest was dated October 16, 2012.)

If you are a subscriber, you should see it in your email box in the next couple of hours. If you don't receive it, check your spam filters first; then, if it's not there, please email me.

As I regularly remind subscribers, some people have problems with delivery of the Dandom Digest, usually because of their spam filters, firewalls, etc. That's why this sort of notice is posted here--so you can look for it.

The following are the subject headlines of the Dandom Digest for October 17-21, 2012.

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- Please send your first impressions of Sunken Condos!
- REDUX: WoW! Sunken Condos LP & Softcover CD at DF.com
- Re: Sunken Condos Vinyl Back-ordered.
- Sunken Condos now in Hi-Res Flac Format
- Review: Hi Res Condos
- Booklet-less Sunken Condos
- Re: Booklet-less Sunken Condos
- Re: CD-less Sunken Condos
- "Warners Releases DF album in Secret, Reports $94M Loss"
- REDUX: Fly Our Banner Ad to Promote Sunken Condos
- Sunken Condos Enter UK Charts at #23
- MUST READ! Security Joan on Sunken Condos in the Huff Post!
- Huff Post Meanings
- Aja1, Castle Bravo, Ivy King
- Glowing, Detailed Review
- 5 out of 5 stars & other reviews
- NewsOK Review
- a somewhat "loose" radio interview
- Sunken Condos review: This is Donald's best album ever
- My impression of Sunken Condos
- Re: My impression of Sunken Condos
- Who's the funny guy?
- Re: Tom Schiller
- But no idea what the bowling ball means=======

If you are not currently a subscriber but would like to receive the free Dandom Digest email newsletter, please email me at hoops AT dandom DOT com or see http://www.dandom.com/dandomdigest.

For the record, the Dandom Digest is a newsletter with unofficial content written by and for the fans of Steely Dan. The newsletter is independent of, nor to be confused with, the glorious and much more glamorous official newsletters from steelydan.com, walterbecker.com, donaldfagen.com and other sites of Steely Dan associates.

Thanks for your support through the years, especially Pete and Shari, as well as Mr. & Mrs. Winterbottom, and espcially thinking of Mark and Bill who didn't but probably did get to hear Sunken Condos, and not to mention one or two people who request anonymity.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 22:44:46 ET
Posted by: eye on the wall,

Doc Mu wrote

"Weather is by far the most popular track on iTunes and could very possibly be a hit if released. Who'd a thunk it?"


Hey Mu

You can't possibly be serious. Deacon Blue, Aja 1, Funkaholic and others were big on WIMH. Even that Strainer had listed it ticketed for Gold.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 22:39:04 ET
Posted by: con , fused

do the HD tracks sound that much better?

what res did donald record these suckers?

and why did i buy the cd if HD was going to be offered?


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 22:34:20 ET
Posted by: Updraught, Philly area

Another interesting interview with DF:

http://www.complex.com/music/2012/10/interview-donald-fagen-talks-sunken-condos-reclaiming-ghetto-kanye-west

Most interesting, he may do a tour after returning from Japan with the Dukes, if Sunken Condos is doing well. Let's all buy another copy to encourage him!


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 21:51:56 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

Ok,after many many listens i now offer>

Memorabilia is the absolute KILLER track-though i love 'am all.

Naturally it was my least favoured track during the first weeks listening:.)

What a delicate lovely song.

"There was an island" indeed.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 21:33:44 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

@ olenader

Great post.Thank you.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 18:09:04 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,


My apologies to the UK contingent. My source re: RS as the top DAn album was clearly erroneous.


Chris - that's an excellent point. "All Dan albums sound alike." For those who haven't penetrated the Dan-world, I've heard that before...although to my ear, each album truly has it's own unique soundscape


SC is unique in that it sounds a bit more like a Steely Dan album follow-up to EMG than a solo effort and recaptures some of the "sweetness" of the 1975-1980s era through Century's end and Big Noise New York. It also integrates heavy R&B and 40s jazz sound. I think the distinguishing influence is that of DF's live concert life. Ironically, although EMG and Morph were largely live tracked, CS sounds more intimate, and closer to presenting a live performance of the Steely Dan band. So, yeah, it's going to sound like Steely Dan.

If Neil Finn/Crowded House could squeeze out a successful career based upon Rubber Soul/Revolver than Donald Fagen should be able to carve out a classic set of albums...based upon himself and Steely Dan.






Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 17:46:32 ET
Posted by: oleander, condo exegesis ch.1

“Memorabilia” may at first listen impress as a head-scratching little groove but glows as an archetypal example of the patented twisted-doom-within-catchy-hook Steely tune. I won’t even begin to list the plethora of examples in the Steely Dan oeuvre. In this case it’s our nuclear past.

First imagine a dusty, decrepit roadside junk shop, say in Hawaii, the kind of place only an otaku collector or Aspy antiquer would pull into. After a little chat-up with the owner, whom I think of maybe as the kinda-scary uncle of Bobby (of Bunsen Prize fame), the one who would never discuss his WW II experiences, the collector coaxes entrance to the darkened back room for the really rare stuff.

But check your Geiger counter at the door, or you won’t be able to hear yourself think.

For this tune, Dr. Fagen did deep homework on the heyday of US nuclear weapons development. “The souvenirs of doom” that Mr. Dakine keeps in the back room are articles from the manufacture and deployment of nuclear bombs after WW II. A gas centrifuge? Enrich your own uranium! Comes with lead-lined pipes for storage.

There’s even some original film of the Castle Bravo explosion of ’54. Castle Bravo was the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated by the US – 15 megatons. (For comparison, that’s more than a thousand times more powerful than Little Boy, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in ’45.) A bunch of “laughing Navy types,” also available in a photo in the back room, rigged it up near Eniwetok (Enewetak) Atoll in the Pacific, one of a string of once-beautiful, dreamy, white-sand atolls east of the Caroline Islands in Micronesia, north of Papua New Guinea and just a few thousand miles WSW of Hawaii. They included Bikini Atoll, also infamous for nuclear tests. Castle Bravo actually exceeded expectations of megatonnage, and ended up inadvertently spreading large amounts of radiation in the air, land and water across a significant swath of the South Pacific. It also left a 1.2-mile crater in the atoll—i.e., “there was an island.”

You bet “that shot was huge.” And such is the omnispective nature of the Internet that you can see it in all its horror on YouTube, including a declassified apologia for the whole operation of which Bravo was only a part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnXUFB-MuUo

Now when I say deep homework, the dude, I mean Dr. Fagen, isn’t done yet. When he personifies the insatiable huntress of the obscure, it’s Ivy King, named after the second of two nuclear test blasts in Operation Ivy--Mike and King--detonated on Eniwetok two years before Castle Bravo. Ivy King was a half-megaton fission bomb.

Louis has no idea what just walked in.

(See also the trunk in "Kiss Me Deadly," which film has made a previous appearance in Steely tunedom)


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 16:48:43 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

So the number one criticism in reviews of Sunken Condos seems to be that it sounds too much like other Fagen/Steely Dan albums. To which I say:

NO SHIT!

There are a couple reasons this criticism is inherently flawed.

1) Fagen and Becker have spent decades crafting and refining a signature sound and practically inventing their own harmonic language along the way.

2) Said sound is wholly THEIRS and has not been matched by anybody else, ever.

3) This criticism is a convenient way to dismiss the album after a cursory listen, and completely misses the fact this signature sound is a result of eight brilliantly written, impeccably arranged, and perfectly executed original songs.

I'm not saying there aren't valid reasons to dislike Fagen and Becker's post-70s output, but "it sounds like their other stuff" is not one of them until they issue a re-record of Can't Buy a Thrill.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 16:15:42 ET
Posted by: Snake Mary,

Doc Mu, Aja was the highest UK chart position for the Dan, it peaked at number 5.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 16:02:36 ET
Posted by: Sausage & Beer, NJ

re: the Wendell interview. It never occurred to me to have anything other than a hot dog at Rutt's Hutt. But if Don says the BBQ beef sandwich is better, I must order one.

http://www.hollyeats.com/RuttHut.htm


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 15:46:03 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK

Doc Mu. Far from it, the Dan have a huge following in the UK ! Every Steely Dan album with the exception of Countdown to Ecstasy has made the UK top 40. Aja made the top 5, Two Against Nature number 11. In fact although the Nightfly only made 44 it was in the charts for months and has been certified platinum in the UK. Every concert the guys have ever played in the UK have been complete sell outs ( though to be fair there haven't been many ).


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 15:38:54 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



That's actually pretty remarkable re: the UK chart


The Dan and Don have a more limited following there. Nightfly reached a weak #44, while Kama peaked at #3. I think Royal Scam is the highest SD album in the UK at #11,


Weather is by far the most popular track on iTunes and could very possibly be a hit if released. Who'd a thunk it?


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 14:26:28 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK

Ha ha apologies I meant number 23 !!


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 14:25:39 ET
Posted by: Pete Evans, Manchester UK

Well done all UK Dan and Don fans for getting SC straight in at 22 on the UK albums chart without any help from the BBC and any other radio stations who have been a total disgrace over the lack of airplay for this magnificent CD ! I will be sending the same message to the BBC asap !


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 14:09:40 ET
Posted by: Snake Mary,

'Sunken Condos' entered the official UK charts at number 23! Great news! There was a lot of competition this week.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 13:58:42 ET
Posted by: 16 or more, NJ

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I've seen a couple of movies there. It's across the street from the Princeton campus.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 13:27:52 ET
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Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 11:08:32 ET
Posted by: Lurker Ray, SoBe

Thanks Funk for the Devon Wendell interview link.

"DF: I became a bit of a film creep in high school. I lived near Princeton N.J., where there was an art theater, the Garden. So I got to see all the great films that were being imported, the Fellini films, Truffaut, Pietro Germi. I liked John Schlesinger’s movies, like Billy Liar, and all those great British films of the time. I don’t go to the movies so much now."

Highly recommend "Billy Liar" if you have not seen it.
Great movie. To this day some of my friends from the UK
still call someone who is lying, "Billy" or "What a Billy".
Also highly recommend, "Never Let Go" from the same era.
Petter Sellers at his maniacal and evil best. He never took
a role like that again.

http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/149/MPW-74703

http://www.movieposterforum.com/uploads/1300909057/gallery_16073_77_2002470.jpg

"DF: I think the question should be: Which acts were forced to share the bill with us? We opened for the Beach Boys, Slade, Frank Zappa, Sha-na-na, the Doobie Brothers, the James Gang, Elton John, Chuck Berry, Uriah Heep, you name it. When Walter and I worked for Jay and the Americans, we used to open for Frankie and the Four Seasons a lot. They were good."

I think parts of the "Ashkenazi Hoedown" at the end of the "OOTG" sounds very Zappa-esque!


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 10:33:03 ET
Posted by: Michael, @Brain Strainer

"It is VERY hard to write a pop tune so I am told by quite a few excellent bands and musicians. Infectious pop many times comes from either a gifted or extremely crafty musician or is stumbled upon by accident. That is why the trail of Music History is littered with one-hit wonders."

Not only is it difficult to write good songs but also to get the best possible arrangement and performance to really make them shine. Unlike so many other musicians who are lucky if they manage to make even a few memorable tunes, SD's catalog is a gold mine of expert craftsmanship. Don & Walt didn't get where they are via star power or any abstract product of commercialism -- they were willing to put in the hard work necessary, along with the help of some of the greatest session players, to create songs worth remembering.

As for Memorabilia, eeh, not really my sort of thing. But I recognize that most other artists still cannot compose like that.

Funny thing is that when I first saw the song title Memorabilia before I had heard it, I assumed that it would sound mellow, like some strange Fagen/Bacharach hybrid tune. I was mistaken. As well, the song title INTSWY made me think of Things I Miss The Most -- that it would be another slow-tempo number with perhaps a somber feel. Once again, my mistake. You just never know what you're getting.

As for the slim carboard casing SC's comes housed in, I wasn't too pleased. This is clearly the result of the record label cutting back on overhead in order to pinch more pennies (as if they weren't content with squeezing artists dry). CD manufacturing is dirt cheap as it is, especially for distributors with large-scale manufacturing plants. These cardboard cases are easily worn down, bent, ripped, et al., and once it's ruined, that's it. On the flip-side, a plastic jewel case may crack or break over time but it's still easy to replace. Lastly, sliding a disc in and out of a cardboard sleeve can potentially ruin the disc surface.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 09:24:34 ET
Posted by: Young Wu, Buffalo

Speaking of Glamour Profession... of all the Dan songs I have yet to see in concert, that is probably the one I'd like to see the most. Glamour, Doctor Wu, and Pearl of the Quarter.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 07:27:12 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Me thinks Walt has a few more "liver spots" than Don.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 06:41:59 ET
Posted by: Still a journalists, nightmare

Trawling the DF interviews accompanying the album release - this has to be my favourite :

Q : Do you and Walter have something up your sleeves for the future?
Fagen: Liver spots.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 05:59:46 ET
Posted by: PGE, Have you heard the myth of the Memory man, man...

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKbtNvXJtfE&feature=relmfu

Don't miss part 2. More of the same.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 03:31:10 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

"Date: Wed, October 17, 2012, 19:38:33 ET
Posted by: BillfromPgh

"Harlan Post, Jr." is credited as the Memory Man in this clever little video by Michael Leonhart. I believe that would be the familiar-looking gent in the fez."

@Bill (or anyone else in the know): where can I find this video? There is no link supplied. I suspect the familiar-looking gent in the fez to be Donald handling synthbass duties, but I would like to see this confirmed. Thanks!


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 01:23:33 ET
Posted by: moray eel, it

Brain: No, I don't tire of Glamour Profession; but the chorus lacks the catchiness to make it a hit. And it didn't become a hit.

With Gaucho and Glamour Profession, I was unable to make an instant connection. Over the years, my appreciation for them has grow somewhat; but if I had to rank to entire SD catalog song by song, they would both rank near the bottom.

I guess we appreciate different aspects of SD.

m.e.


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 00:26:05 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, It might just be me...

...But I'm thinkin' that each and every one of the (admittedly few) premature ejaculators here is regretting the use of the insulting phrase "filler" when describing some of the less "immediate" tracks on Sunken Condos.

Please forgive me. I just can't see "Good Stuff" and "filler" in the same sentence. Somebody here actually said that. I won't name-check the dude, so as not to, y'know, embarrass him or nothin'...

This thing's a monster.

The whole thing.

From start to finish.

As good as anything these ears have heard in many years.

M/O/D/P


Date: Sun, October 21, 2012, 00:24:08 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@moray eel

I agree with what you are saying about the ACTUAL verbiage of understanding that chorus, but I gotta tell you until I saw lyrics I did not know WTF DF was mumbling after "rusty old memorabilia", and it was the tune of it that was catchy. I knew it was good. And the sonic resonance of even the way DF sings MEM-O-RAH-BEEL-YA, it would play in any language. And like you and others, I do not like all of the songs on Sunken Condos, for various reasons.

I mean you could play Memorabilia to a bushman in the Republic of the Congo and he would probably like it, even if unable to decipher it.

"Catchiness" is not a real function of knowing the words. People rattle and hum catchy tunes all of the time, they don't sing the words. I honestly still don't know the words to many classic rock songs, but they are good. "Smoke on the Water" is a good example of what I am saying. I still don't know WTF he is singing, but if that song comes on, I won't change stations.

In fact, I still don't know the words to Do It Again. DF garbles most of that song, including the chorus, as was the style back in that time. Maybe artist did it on purpose so the sonic appeal would not wear off. If you know the words it sort of de-mystifies it and you would get bored quicker. And many of the lyrics were nonsense, just something to fit into the tune that sounded good and would rhyme somewhat. DF still stuffs lyrics in, but cooly inflects them for sonic appeal.

What about YOUR song Glamour Profession (dreaded moray eel), which I mentioned. There are no words in the outro, it loops and dupes. Did you honestly tire of it easily?


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 23:56:40 ET
Posted by: Dr StrangeGlove, down in the bottom

Thanks PGE

for your comments about the "master" tapes
....Steely Dan kept a tight ship for quite a long time and for many years there was nothing ever surfacing in the bootleg world....
in the 2000s we've had some astonishing non-official releases

Gaucho Outtakes (very different than the poor quality 1990's demos)
Royal Scam outtakes (very good quality)
the 1974 concerts (hi-fi sounding)
Running Child (complete track)

We really need a Beatle type Anthology Box set
MCA Records I guess owns all this...or UMG? or Geffen???


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 23:26:11 ET
Posted by: Jezzoh, Manchester UK

Stream of random Dan/Don/Walt thoughts

-SC is a great album.
-If I had a vinyl copy, side A would get played a bit more than side B, a bit like my old copy of Gaucho did.
-Although it's interesting to see where SC ends up in various charts across the world, it doesn't really matter. I'm happy with the music and I'm sure Don and Walt don't need the money to keep going so why get too excited about it.
-Hopefully the next time Steely Dan tour they will include songs from 2vN, EMG and both Don and Walt's respective solo efforts. Although it's good to hear some oldies it's about time they presented themselves as current artists when they tour, not just another old band from the 70's taking us 50&60 somethings down memory lane. Who cares if ultimately less people see them.. it's be really good to see them in some more intimate venues? They must get bored shitless playing the same old songs live?
-AJA is like my comfort blanket. I would love to know how many thousands of times I've listened to it since it came out. It's the only Dan album I never tire of hearing. Even to this day I sometimes hear something new in it. I only really started to really like Home At Last a few months ago.. yes it probably took a few thousand plays to get there. Come to think of it there's something awkward about Josie which might take me a few thousand more plays to get over.
-Hope they tour the UK again soon.
-Will that jumper Don's wearing on the back of Katy Lied ever become fashionable.. if so I'd like one for Christmas when it does.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 22:56:21 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

Brain Strainer,

I completely agree. Memorabilia is a masterpiece, and in my opinion possibly DF's best to date. The charts won't show this like with IGY, but to me it is a nearly perfect pop tune on a number of levels:

-The end of the chorus "...in the back of Louis Dakine's backroom" will not fatigue like some repetitive verses.

-The subject matter is splendid...for anyone who is interested in the US's formerly classified nuclear shenanigans, this song gives you just enough to look it up and learn.

-The flugelhorn solo in the middle is so juicy you almost need a napkin. But additionally, the horn captures the essence of the third character in the story/song which is Bikini Atoll, the "Lovely Island." The horn portrays a beautiful, tranquil place whose entire history was interrupted and forever changed by the H-bomb test.

-His choice of lyrics provides the perfect snapshot of the history of the incident.

It is a spectacular song.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 22:56:07 ET
Posted by: moray eel, d

Brain: Respectfully disagree about the Memorabilia chorus. The word "memorabilia" falls outside of 95% of the general public's vocabulary. Do It Again has a chorus that you can latch onto quickly. Memorabilia has an awkward chorus that, if people are able to make out the words, will leave them confused.

"What did he say, 'In the back of Louis Dakine's backroom'? Who's that?

Hearing any chorus on repeat would get old very quickly, but hearing the word "memorabilia" over and over would drive most people crazy after five minutes.

m.e.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 22:04:13 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@Name Location

Memorabilia's chorus only takes one or two listens to hook you, in my experience with it. That it why they call it a hook. Memorabilia's chorus might be one of the catchiest in Dan/Don history. You could listen to that refrain thousands of times and you probably won't tire of it.

It is VERY hard to write a pop tune so I am told by quite a few excellent bands and musicians. Infectious pop many times comes from either a gifted or extremely crafty musician or is stumbled upon by accident. That is why the trail of Music History is littered with one-hit wonders.

If you take a good hook and "Loop it and Dupe it", you can create a trance or somewhat hypnotic effect with an extended mix. There is a whole musical genre now known as Trance. It goes without saying that we listen to various types of music to either suit the occasion or create a mood. Repeated use of a good hook creates a certain mood as what can be thought provoking because it provides just enough background, but is not attention draining.

You may or may not like this tune, but it had broad international appeal. The singer's voice and hook are infectious, and she has a sort of Sally Kellerman voice inflection thing going on, but cool and jazzy. She sings the same thing about 50 times, but you can't shut it off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8_WLTb1rQ4&feature=related

Now you can take the Memorabilia chorus, loop it, dupe it, and take the verses OUT and run it for a 20 minute pop, and you can create a mix where if you want music for low concentration activities like painting a room, working out, file papers, or otherwise need to zone out it works well. I believe it is that good of a hook.

Take most any tune on Gaucho, and I will say Glamour Profession in particular that uses a catchy repeated musical hook you could run for a half hour or more and you won't tire of it.

Another song with some of the stronger hooks in Dan history, but does not get much attention is actually on Security Joan, which is buried on Morph the Cat. Those hooks remind you of the what radio stations used in the 1960'snd 70's to promote their call letters and where they were on the dial.

So I wouldn't get too jacked up being concerned about Memorabilia wearing out on you. Some of these other songs might. I mean it could, but I have already worn a pretty good groove into that third cut of Sunken Condos and I have yet to sicken of it.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 14:39:33 ET
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Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 12:21:22 ET
Posted by: Name, Location

I'm experiencing the typical arc of a new DF/SD release. Immediately drawn to the more accessible tracks like Miss Marlene, but then the quirkier ones that don't impress on first listen start worming their way into my brain and become my favorites. But right now I'm wondering if a chorus that repeats the word memorabilia so many times is ever going to sound natural. I thought the same thing with "ImWayDeepIntoNothingSpecialRidingTheCrestOfaWaveBreakingJustWestOfHollywood." And "IsThatMyFatherMowinTheLawnCmonDaddyGetInLetsGoCmonDaddyGetInLetsGoCmonDaddyGetInLetsGoCmonDaddyGetInLetsGoCmonDaddyGetInLetsGoCmonDaddyGetInLetsGoCmonDaddyGetInLetsGoCmonDaddyGetInLetsGo." But I got there.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 10:49:04 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Dave B, thanks. I guess I should have Googled it (I Google everything!) Makes some sense in general and in context. I was wondering if it might have a sexual component a la "Bang a Gong". I didn't realize T-Rex knew the Gong Sisters.

Mr. eel, I have seen The Breed. I hadn't made the connection though. Not a great movie, by any means, but kinda cool. Stylish trash. I liked it, actually. What I didn't recall about that movie (and was reminded by Wikipedia--so this could be a little iffy) was the Jewish connection:

"The film features a dystopic future in which vampires are a marginalized race living in formerly Jewish ghettos, often shot in actual abandoned Jewish ghettos."

I think you may be on to something here.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 09:58:48 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Let's add to the list the phrase "kicking the gong around".


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 09:24:25 ET
Posted by: Proofreader, Erratum

"As long as I'm still kicking that gong around"

Walter Becker My Waterloo


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 08:35:33 ET
Posted by: moray eel, gong

The Gong Sisters make an appearance in H-Gang.

m.e.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 08:30:47 ET
Posted by: Michael,

Good interview. Of note:

"DW: ...Do you take dealing with the music business as seriously as you did when you were younger and has it become harder to make money without touring?

DF: We never took it seriously. How can you? The best you can do is try to have some fun with it and not become bitter just because you were robbed of most of your money."

Ain't that the truth?


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 08:07:19 ET
Posted by: It's, Like This

Can we limit the use of these words, puhleez (just a beginning list):

oeuvre
roots
roots-rock
rock
hard-rock
jazz
jazzy
jazz-fusion
R&B
funk
funky
soul
soulful
blues
bluesy
hip
hipster
hippest
percussive
snarky
fresh
Herculean
groove
swinging
dark
dank
retro
lounge
meticulously
paean
touches
detailed
precise
warm
smooth



Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 07:46:58 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

Here's a new and interesting Q&A with The Don:

http://irom.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/q-a-donald-fagens-new-album-sunken-condos/


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 07:33:41 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

And here finally then the BBC review:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/g53q


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 07:32:48 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

Not sure if this has been posted before, another 4 out of 5 star review.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/theticket/2012/1019/1224325435273.html


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 05:23:13 ET
Posted by: SS, HK

Walter Becker has already used the lyric 'kicking that gong around.'

I think it shows up in The Ghost of Hipness Past, a demo that didn't make it on to 11 TOW.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 04:23:57 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

I would like to hear Miss Marlene or Weather In My Head on Letterman.

Although the latter isn't my favorite from Sunken Condos, I suspect it will be a great live song, and could convince people to buy the new album. The song is catchy, and not too difficult in structure for the masses,I think it could appeal to non-SD fans.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 00:34:20 ET
Posted by: K harold,

Fagen should play Miss Marlene or New Breed. He can't get by without bringing a band and backup singers. If he lip sinks, he could just bring two girls, a drummer and guitarist, keyboardist and a trombone. New Breed would be easier and less involved if done live.

I think he will be forced to play I'm Not the Same Without You by Warner.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 00:29:53 ET
Posted by: moray eel, the

Dean: When 1st heard the song, I thought of the movie, "The Breed".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lbckOumKFE

The song could be about a black, tech savvy vampire or not; but it's always fun to hear people discuss possible ideas.

I mentioned the Brazilian Jazz bridge in the Good Stuff. What happened to that Bossa Nova album Donald was supposed to make?

m.e.


Date: Sat, October 20, 2012, 00:28:27 ET
Posted by: Dave B., UK

The Dean:

"One last question for this esteemed forum: WTF do you think "I need to kick that gong around" means?"

According to the online Urban Dictionary:

'A 1930s slang term, meaning to smoke opium.
"He took her down to Chinatown/ And he showed her how to kick the gong around" -Cab Calloway "Minnie the Moocher"...

...(from Chinese opium dens of the last century where customers struck a gong to make the attendant come and bring them a pipe).'

-- Dave


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 23:53:38 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

PGE, thanks for posting the Radio Woodstock interview with Donald. I have to say, that was one really pitiful interviewer. I kept thinking, PLEASE let this fucking thing end. It sounded pretty painful for Don, too. Maybe it's just me.

Good to hear the tour is sounding more likely.

What song do you think Don will play on Letterman and what song do you think he should play?


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 23:34:00 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Brain Strainer,

Initially I also thought Planet D'Rhonda was about a girl named Rhonda and her "world" was Plant D'Rhonda. But I now believe that is not the case. I think there is some evidence to the contrary later in the song.

Donald sings "D's my vitamin XYZ". I think that's important here. If he was referring to Planet D'Rhonda as his Vitamin XYZ he could have sung "P's my vitamin XYZ". If he was referring to person named Rhonda, one might think he could sing "R's my vitamin XYZ" but one would be an idiot. Nobody's going to sing that line. It's a shitty line! Of course, "She's my vitamin XYZ would be fine".

And, if I am correct, I think that makes it the only "jungle fever" song on the album. (We're all going to Hell you know?) In the context of Sunken Condos, Out Of The Ghetto is not about an African American woman from a ghetto like Harlem. It is about a Jewish girl from the wrong side of the Warsaw tracks. At least that seems to be Don's story. As for New Breed, moray's quick mention is the first I've read/heard about any interracial connection. So perhaps I've missed something in these last few days of highly entertaining rants and analyses.

One last question for this esteemed forum: WTF do you think "I need to kick that gong around" means? I might take a random guess or two, but I think I've used up my culturally insensitive speculations for the day.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 23:13:32 ET
Posted by: Dave Lee, chula vista

This is my understanding from reading these posts

The Sunken Condos narrator is an insecure, geriatric. cradle robbing, paranoid, deluded, hoarding, mentally damaged, tech obsessed, jungle fevered individual, whose spare time is spent bowling, jacking off, messing with mob wives, and banging a fat african american girl.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 22:48:24 ET
Posted by: moray eel, cut by

1. Slinky Thing - The old man/younger girl thing. This area has been mined before. The acknowledgement by the storyteller of the age difference and the reactions of the other characters doesn't reduce the creepy factor. Musically, it sounds like it has that Kamakiriad loopy beat. I mentioned before that I like the outro, but I can see casual listeners finding it a bit too Paul Hardcastle/Smooth Jazzy.8

2. I'm Not The Same Without You - Didn't really click right away. Sometimes Fagen's upbeat songs sound forced - like someone's unsuccessfully convince me that they are happy. I felt the same way about Confide in Me. I stopped playing INTSWY for a while because it was losing it's freshness. It's an enjoyable sound if you are in the mood for it.7

3. Memorabilia - Probably my favorite track on the CD. Musically, reminds me of Florida Room. The verses are perfect and relaxed. The chorus has a repeating five syllable word and an obscure line... "In the back of Louis Dakine's backroom" that is unlikely to hook the casual listener.9

4. Weather In My Head - I dig it. Musically, it has a modern blues/Robbie Robertson feel. It would fit right in with The Color of Money soundtrack. Lyrically, it's updated typical blues lyrics. A simple man wonders, "The flood is coming and the politicians say they are going to fix it, but what are they going to do to help me with my problems." One Al Gore reference in a verse may have been forgivable for most people, but to have it repeated in each chorus will rub some people the wrong way.9

5. The New Breed - This song sounds lightweight and depressed. Someone suggested it was about an interracial relationship. Maybe some people are thinking it's about Carolyn. I don't know. Sounds more plausible than the new cellphone thing people were talking about. It just sounds sad and I expected there to be another verse with the punchline at the end.5

6. Out of the Ghetto - I love it. Everyone else here hates it. It sounds crazy, and funky and genuinely upbeat. To me it sound like Donald is having the time of his life playing this tune.9

7. Miss Marlene - I'm surprised at the overwhelming amount of love this tune gets. An attractive female bowler gets her heart broken, gets drunk, kills herself by running in front of a cab and continues to haunt the bowling alley by helping people pickup spares. Musically, it gets into a good groove, but it doesn't go anywhere.7

8. Good Stuff - Reminds me of Godwhacker or Two Against Nature. Is this a revenge fantasy? Weinberg Brothers? WB? Warner Brothers? The bridge has a Latin Jazz/Brazilian/Girl From Ipanema feel "Da, da, da, da, da, ...". 7

9. Planet D'Rhonda - Could be about a fat nympho or black nympho or fat, black nympho or common nympho. Jay McInerney, who wrote "Bright Lights, Big City" had a character in his 3rd book named Alison Poole who could match the description pretty closely. That character was based on Rielle Hunter (John Edwards' mistress).7

I like the CD more than Kamakiriad, and about the same as Morph and Nightfly.

Just some thoughts...

m.e.













Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 21:34:43 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

So ...all the lyrical puzzlement for us in decoding meanings..

Spare a thought for what Libby Titus must wonder...:-)


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 21:03:59 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, should go to bed, it's 3 AM

My previous comment was a follow-up to The Dean's comment to my comment, of course. Or something like that. Forgot to address it properly.

Dave from acqusitions,
Good observation! No idea whether it was on purpose and meant as a hint, but it sure is very much the same melodic line.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 21:02:23 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

I did not think of "D'Rhonda" in this case as black name, BUT Donald invoking the French contraction "D'", meaning "of". Planet OF Rhonda, or Rhonda's World. He might have said Planet Shaniqua or Planet Octavius. Yes, I know of a sistah with that name....

If D'Rhonda is black, that would make at least TWO Jungle Fever songs on the album.

Both songs are dangerous, exciting territory, forbidden fruit, and risk of Familial and Social disdain for a White, Rich, Educated, Jew such as DF.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 21:00:36 ET
Posted by: PGE, a somewhat "loose" radio interview...

Donald interviewed by Greg Gattine on Radio Woodstock 100.1:

http://radiowoodstock.com/audio-on-demand-detail&song_id=2686127293

Skip to two minutes in and what major thing you get newswise is:

* Donald is set to play The Late Show with David Letterman on November 15 or thereabouts.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 20:33:57 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, scat cat

I see your point about the American pronunciation, and agree he could possibly have written "you're" without that actually changing anything.

But if "you" and "you're" is pronunced the same way, they actually both rhyme with "new", don't they? It does when he sings it the way he does anyway. One can always doubt it was on purpose of course, but to me it sounds very much on purpose. If you for a second try to forget everything about the meaning of the words and listen to the voice strictly as a "bodily instrument" sound, it makes more sense maybe? Just a thought, and how I often listen to his singing, parallell to listening to the words as the fine pieces of pop litterature that they also are, of course.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 20:29:43 ET
Posted by: Madman, On the Bench

For everyone following at home, a recap. Sunken Condos deals with, among other things, the following:

- A scaly, paranoid old geezer who is worried about what everyone from a park bum to a young punk thinks about the age discrepancy between he and his girfriend.

- An outdated piece of animated software/hardware who is becoming aware of his eventual obsoletion.

- A ghostly 10-pin ace who the narrator may or may not be "launching the hand-shuttle" to at night.

- A person with an odd habit of keeping souvenirs of a nuclear test site.

- A sociopath with an itchy trigger finger that you don't want to be caught fooling around on.

- And a ghetto fabulous diva that reveals her upbringing when a little alcohol is involved.

How can you not love this CD?


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 20:24:01 ET
Posted by: Dave from acquisitions, Formerly Klaus and the Rooster

Has anyone noticed the bass clarinets at the end of Miss Marlene playing the little figure louder and louder 100% reminiscent of the keyboard part left in at the end of IGY? something to listen closely for, sounds like a wink to the hardcore fan.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 20:17:39 ET
Posted by: The Dean, St. Augustine Beach

Jazzassin: I believe you are probably right, and it is something I considered before posting--especially the pronunciation aspect as discussed by MM. But in reality even if the lyrics were "you're" they could be sung virtually identically to the way they are currently sung. We Americans don't tend to emphasize the "re" in you're. In fact, "you're" and "your" are pronounced identically by most lazy Americans. Sung in a particular way, the "re" would be barely perceptible. The vowel would be stretched just as if if the word was "you". I guess what I am saying is, he could have written "you're" and sung it exactly as it is now and nobody would have noticed the difference. OK, maybe not "nobody".

I'm less convinced with the "you" rhyming with "new" explanation.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 20:10:38 ET
Posted by: DeaconBlues16,

For a while, I've been thinking Planet D'Rhonda might be about a wannabe Lady Gaga, i.e. a lady who aspires to be the modern image of manufactured weird commercial pop star. Wearing a dress made of plastic wrap, never being calm, got to be a mind reader just to guess her mood--those characteristics make me think she's in that wannabe pop star mold.

On the other hand, I can see the "big" viewpoint to an extent with the imagery, and I can also see the black girl viewpoint to an extent.

However, and I'm sure many of you knew this, but there's an old Atlantic records song apparently called the Philly Dog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGBREYow29A
So maybe that puts the setting of this song in the 1960s, which I think gives more credence to the black girl theory. Or maybe Donald was attempting to place an R&B track that influenced him into a modern setting.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 20:08:45 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, see it all in 3D

Also, I remember Mike McDonald in the Aja docu talking about how picky they were about exact pronunciation and rhythm of the words he was supposed to sing when doing the backup vocal tracks.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 20:01:48 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Yooo the nooo breed awright

Dean, you wrote:

In The New Breed, the lyrics are "You the new breed..." not "You're the new breed...". Why? I have no answers, but it seems like a particularly specific choice.


My guess is it's just a matter of rhythm, rhyme and the best sounding word, musically speaking. "You" rhymes with "new" (noo) and has a longer vowel/ can be stretched more than "you're". Feels much better to sing it that way, and sound better imo. And the "right" in "allright" has a short vowel fitting perfect with the groove of the song as well.
Don & Walt always liked the words to have good phonetic qualities to fit in with the music in the best way and make the voices serve as an instrument in the ensemble in addition to all the possible interpretations of the lyrical meanings I think.
They have actually stated that for them, the lyrics will always be subordinated to the music. I think choosing "you" where "you're" would be more "correct" (in this case), is an example of what that meant. Even if the statement was regarding Steely Dan lyrics, not Don's solo work.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 19:47:04 ET
Posted by: The Dean, Manatee Bar. Still Drinkin'

TMI not TYI.

Oops


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 19:35:42 ET
Posted by: ted,

Aja1 - Certain parts of 'Medical Science' remind me a lot of 'Memorabilia'.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 19:25:55 ET
Posted by: The Dean, No Guru, No Method, No Teacher

Tidbits and shit:

Great job Funkaholic. While I don't specifically agree with all of your evaluations (and why should I?) that's a fantastic round-up. Well done.

Doctor of Mu, thanks for that insight on DaKine. I think you may be right given Don has used a version of that name twice now. The only meaning it had for me was as a Hawaiian expression. While the expression has any number of definitions, I came to know it from people describing very high quality Hawaiian marijuana way back in the 70's: "It's dakine!" I'm thinking your explanation makes more sense, or perhaps it's some combo of the two.

Regarding the various interpretations of Miss Marlene. I have held from the beginning this isn't simply a song about bowling. But I have to question the idea that "making the 7-10" has anything to do with masturbation. Now, and I understand this is a bit of a TYI explanation, making a 7-10 split is EXTREMELY difficult. Converting it rarely happens. OTOH, at least from my experience, masturbation ends up with a perfect strike every time--the level of difficulty is very low. No help needed.

And I also question the "fat girl" interpretation of D'Rhonda. I'm really not getting the fat girl vibe. I'm not sure how chasing a fat girl leads to your friends thinking you're "on a deadly spree". Also I'm not sure how that leads to her not being "the type of girl you wanna bring home to mom" (unless your mom has a "No Fat Chicks" bumper-sticker on the back of her truck. OTOH, I think there is a good possibility that D'Rhonda could be Black. Why?

1. Her name is D'Rhonda
2. A White Jewish boy might have some issues bringing her home to mom
3. Your friends might think hooking up with a crazy Black girl could endanger your life (those racists fucks!)
4. (With special apologies to Howard Cosell) "it's monkey time-twenty four seven". I'd rather not say anything more about this except I am planing my press conference to say how sorry I am about this comment as I type.
5. Her name is D'Rhonda, for Christ's sake.

Also, while D'Rhonda was the song it took longest for me to really get, it is now the song that rings in my head most often.

While I have seen Good Stuff referred to as "filler", I'm starting to think it might be the best song on the album. Killer lyrics and a great vibe. Oh, and add Ziegfeld to the real person name-check.

In The New Breed, the lyrics are "You the new breed..." not "You're the new breed...". Why? I have no answers, but it seems like a particularly specific choice.

More to come. Carry on...


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 19:09:06 ET
Posted by: JungleMusic, new.com/life

I'm with you! Now I want the vinyl.

Thougt of the day: I like how:
"My friends say 'Jim, you're on a deadly spree.'"
echos the Babylon Sisters:
"My friends say 'no don't go
For that cotton candy
Son you're playing with fire'"


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 19:07:59 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu, Shine of your


Donald Fagen's single INTSWY is #32 with a bullet in Japan's HOT 100. It's the 3rd week on the charts up from # 49

http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200#/song/donald-fagen/i-m-not-the-same-without-you/30579396


Not a pulse of the single on the American charts, however...

Next week's Billboard chart will see the debut of Sunken Condos, possibly in the top 10.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 19:05:16 ET
Posted by: Aja1, Newton

Blues Beach + Negative Girl = Memorabilia?
(Musically speaking)


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 17:06:37 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, still in euphoria

fagenism,
I think we're not alone (on that lovely island) in thinking SC really don't have weak tracks at all. Anyway, that's still my sincere opinion. And I must've played it many dozen times now, so I don't think anything is going to change that for me.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 16:46:13 ET
Posted by: fagenism, Bleecker Street

Funkie: Excellent review!

Inky: You must be mixing me up with someone else; I know nothing about the vinyl version of SC.

I think the notorious Assassin of Jazz was the one who coined the notion of SC being one continuous highlight. I agree. This is an album to bring to that desert island right east of the Carolines. This is an album that reminds us that heaven is right here on Earth.

Lovely island.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 16:45:12 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Some special characters ...

... did obviously not work. Please ignore the babble in the middle of the location field of my prev post.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 16:39:30 ET
Posted by: Jazzassin, Can't you hear the boys grumble ... ♪♫ ... Miss Marlene ... ;o)

Greg,
I followed the auction, and if I'm not wrong the last and final (17th) bid came approximately 25-30 minutes before the time ran out, and was US $567.57.
No idea where the tapes went, but it must've been somewhere in the US, as the seller did not ship these outside the US.

Original listing here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-used-Scotch-reel-to-reel-Master-tapes-Steely-Dan-Outtakes-REVOX-AMPEX-/261108371314?pt=Music_Other_Formats&hash=item3ccb458f72&nma=true&si=GigDmuW5Vemn4LXn8uQJ2o5ifJ0%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

WildBlueJimbo,
That's William Galison on harmonica. A great player indeed.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 16:15:02 ET
Posted by: Doc Mu,



Louis DaKine is another tribute to Bobby LaKind a percussionist, back-up vocalist and drummer with the Doobie Brothers. He became a full-time member of the band about 1979. He perished early due to cancer in 1992, and a trust was set up for his kids.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 16:10:36 ET
Posted by: WildBlueJimbo, Indy

Who is the chromatic harmonica soloist? DF's beloved timbre, but not a synth this time...


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 16:01:51 ET
Posted by: Greg M, White Plains NY

<<Does anyone have any idea where those master tapes for Gaucho sessions (that recently sold on Ebay) may have originated??>>

I'm equally interested in where they went. Was the auction pulled by ebay or did it go the distance?


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 15:50:17 ET
Posted by: Earl, DE

Yeah Jives, that's the spirit!


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 15:50:15 ET
Posted by: Earl, DE

Yeah Jives, that's the spirit!


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 15:31:19 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

i.e. A kind soul


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 15:24:22 ET
Posted by: Earl, DE

Might be of interest - Louis Dakine anagrams to "I like a sound."


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 14:30:18 ET
Posted by: byfmqg, New York

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Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 14:03:47 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

PS: keep in mind that my ratings are only connected to the Sunken Condos album. And not in comparison with the other DF/SD albums...

Miss Marlene is the overall winner I believe, in a close match with Slinky Thing. Miss Marlene just takes me straight back to the seventies, such a great retro vibe there!


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 13:36:25 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

OK, it is time for my song by song review:

Slinky Thing: One of the clear winners on this album. Classic Fagen sound, but modernized in a cool way! I love the horns here, the layered vocals in the chorus, the hiphop-like beat and the guitar work troughout this song. Outstanding song, and clear evidence of Donald’s genius. 10/10

I’m Not The Same Without You: The song is great and very Nightfly-ish, but I have heard it too much for now. There is something about the drumsound that I don’t like so much. But a very neat DF song nevertheless. 8/10

Memorabilia: I didn’t like this one at first, but it has now become a firm favorite. I like the quirky synths, the trumpet, and the theme of the song. I just love it when a song grows on you like that! 9/10

Weather In My Head: I can’t really make up my mind about this one. It is a well written blues song with some nice brass and great guitar work, but a bit too traditional for my taste. Not enough altered blues, no real surprises. It could have been one of Robert Cray’s greatest hits, but I feel it sounds a bit generic for a Donald Fagen song. Still a pleasant one to listen to though. This one will probably do best as a single, it might appeal to people outside of SD/DF’s traditional fanbase, as it is quite catchy and not as quirky as most other SD/DF songs. 7/10

New Breed: An entertaining song, I like it, but it is not the best on the album. I can see myself skipping this one in the nearby future. I like the lyrics though! 7/10

Out Of The Ghetto: I don’t know the original at all, so I am pretty much new to this song. I really enjoy it, and I certainly don’t think he should have left it off the album. Especially now that I’ve read he is using this song as to ‘reclaim’ the term “ghetto” for the Jews! Great stuff… 8/10

Miss Marlene: many have said this already, but this one is probably the killer song on this album. Every part in this song makes sense, it is perfect in its execution. Beautiful propelling bass work, lovely guitar sprinkled throughout the song, excellent background singing. And these beautiful horn arrangements again, they really take this DF record to higher levels! Now if only that snare was a bit deeper in the mix. Still worth a solid 10/10

Good Stuff: If this is “filler” then give me albums full of it, what a badass groove! The verses are a bit repetetive perhaps, but that only serves to make that sweet chorus stand out even more. What a catchy and well arranged one that is, with those horns kicking in halfway! My musical partner started laughing when I let him hear this, he said rightfully that only Donald cn come up with such a smooth, catchy badass chorus. There is a nice “tropical/cocktail/brazil” sounding bridge/intermezzo in there too, I actually like it when he takes a song close to cheesy beaches. One of my favorites! 10/10

Planet d’Rhonda: Another track that some have labelled as “filler”, but I seemingly really like filler tracks! As far as production/sound I think this one stands out as the most beautifully recorded song of the album. And that guitar solo by Kurt Rosenthal is just fabulous! 9/10


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 12:06:38 ET
Posted by: PGE, "You called, Master"

@Dr Strange Love:

I guess you're referring to these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-used-Scotch-reel-to-reel-Master-tapes-Steely-Dan-Outtakes-REVOX-AMPEX-/261108371314?pt=Music_Other_Formats&hash=item3ccb458f72

Not master taper, per se but "4 used Scotch reel to reel Master tapes Steely Dan Outtakes REVOX AMPEX"

A master is a final mix of the multi-track recordings ready for making records from. These seem to be mixes that I guess many involved in a recording might get to listen to the result and suggest alterations.

I am no expert on this. Far from it. But back in the days of vinyl I've read they made one Master master, then did copies of that to send to pressing plants abroad and so on.

Depending on the sloppiness of those involved - after all we're talking about humans beings here - copies of those copies could have been made and later surface as "masters". Early CD:s were pressed from just about anything the record companies found in the vaults. Hence the profitable and never ending re-re-re-leases on CD of a lot of the marketable titles.

If a true master made it on to EBay I am sure the record company/artist in question would spring into action. Or the multitrack tapes of Aja or/and Black Cow. ;)

And as far as the above tapes go they could even be fakes made just to make a quick buck in the Internet.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 12:04:42 ET
Posted by: Brain Strainer,

@marmer of Houston

After sleeping on it, I was gonna say that I am going to abandon the "progrssion" theory of these songs, and say that it is NOT necessarily the same protagonist from song to song. It was after all a NOO-KYOO-LER flash and we all know that Atom Bombs are powerful, but not necessarily pinpoint accurate.

BUT, the NOO-KYOO-LER flash did hit some marks and maybe got others to suggest alternatives. Steely Dan songs can have multiple interpretations as we have seen, but I like these that came up:

In Miss Marlene--there is much going on in the song, but protagonist fantasizing and acting on it every Saturday night is in there.

For Planet D'Rhonda I like Moray Eel's take about the big woman. Bigger women are moving onto the fashion scene and that is a sign of the times. Big lovin, and some other lyrics suggest that theme. Even the name "Rhonda" sounds like "round".

More takes on Sunken Condos songs are sure to appear as the Blue contributors get more and more into the record.






Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 10:58:33 ET
Posted by: Dr Strange Love, down@the bottom

Does anyone have any idea where those master tapes for Gaucho sessions (that recently sold on Ebay) may have originated??

Kinda strange to see those type of items on Ebay....one wonders if the just might be a master of Second Arrangement around

also quite odd to see that Drew Zingg track coming out

strange days indeed

what's next a master tape of a 1972 conert???


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 10:55:18 ET
Posted by: Jives, Glasgow

"Help me Rhonda,help help me Rhonda!"...


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 10:28:20 ET
Posted by: marmer, Houston, TX

Yeah, I pretty much think anything that can be taken literally should be on this album.

I proposed the idea that ST and PD'R are about the same relationship after the passing of some time. I think that one could consider the fact that the songs begin and end the album and they're both about a younger woman as suggestive that the album as a whole is a metaphor for the passing of time, or some kind of a progression. But that's absolutely as far as I'm willing to take it. I don't think there is any pertinent detail to be found in any of the intervening songs or that they follow the kind of loose storyline implied in _The Nightfly_ or _Kamakiriad.__ It's just not that granular. The songs are individual vignettes. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a bowling ball is just a bowling ball.

Finally got it out of the car and listened to it in the house. Damn, it sounds good!


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 10:14:40 ET
Posted by: mike D'baker, the sugar shack in pennsylvania

I'm only making this connection through memory, but, does "Good Stuff" seem to have the same rhythm/tempo/time as the one version of RITY SD did on tour a couple years ago? Also, and this may be really far fetched, but in Planet D' Rhonda, does little two pluck guitar "bierr nierr" remind you of that old Cialis commercial where the rowboat was floating in the blue water? I always seem to try to draw weird connections in D/W/SD songs to other things ever since one of their orchestra intro live show starters reminded me so much of the Price Is Right theme.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 10:09:08 ET
Posted by: Funkaholic1972,

I am loving the SC album, and these HighRes FLAC files (88.2 kHz/ 24Bit) that I have just sound amazing. That is about double the quality of a conventional CD, and the sound is just so much better than that AAC file of INTSWY that I downloaded from iTunes a few weeks back! Glad that this was the first option available...

This album has a beautiful warm and round sound, and immaculate production on most songs. The only small complaint I still have is the sound of the drums (specifically the snare) in some of the songs. I like the drum patterns itself, but the snare seems to 'stick out' of the mix in an unpleasant way. Too much "up front": too much volume, in combination with no/very little reverb, or something like that.

Examples are INTSWY, Out Of The Ghetto, and unfortunately too the otherwise 100% perfect Miss Marlene. It is almost like the snare is in a different (very dry sounding) room than the other instruments.

Also Wheather In My Head has a terrible drum sound. Actually the whole mix of that track seems off to me compared to the rest. Definately the worst mix on the album IMO.

But after these minor complaints (which boils down to personal preference anyway), I have to say I love all the songs! One more than the other obviously, but I don't have to hit the skip button often. Which is more than you can say of most albums.

So I will give it 8.5 out of 10 points. I've taken off 0.5 point for the snare issue, and 1.0 for the fact that the album doesn't really enter new territory much.

Having said that, I think the album is "ab fab" as far as new Fagen music, and I am very very pleased we've received this unexpected gift! It will provide years and years of listening pleasure. The Don is still "Master of Groove and Harmonics"!


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 09:50:50 ET
Posted by: M/O/D/P, Sandwichland

Huge thanks to Fred for the "sandwich" interpretation - brilliant! You're definitely on to something there.

Anyone interested in getting the SC vinyl 2LP set now rather than waiting can order it through DF's site, which uses a service called Music Today. I ordered one there two days ago and an e-mail this morning confirmed that it's on its way to me already. All the big guys (online and physical retailers alike) are still listing it as back-ordered. Looks like at some point I might just end up with three copies of the thing. "Give the gift of music", as they say...


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 09:13:24 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

I'm disappointed to not see a review up on the Av Club, but after reading the blog post about Warner's ineptitude in sending advance copies to reviewers, I'm not surprised. But the AV Club has given favorable reviews to TvN, EMG, and MTC, and published a great long interview with Fagen and Becker around the time of TvN. They're one of the few younger online publications along with Slant that really "get" Steely Dan.

Here's their review for MTC, which I thought was absolutely spot-on:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/donald-fagen-morph-the-cat,9180/


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 09:02:54 ET
Posted by: Chris, nh

moray eel - I like that interpretation because the first few times I listened I was convinced Donald was singing "she DINES too fast" instead of "she DRIVES too fast." Woah, baby, slow down.


Date: Fri, October 19, 2012, 08:29:50 ET
Posted by: Ports, Minneapolis

Sunken Condo's now in High Rez Flac format from HD Tracks.co